Can we come to an agreement that PS3 is 25 - 50% more powerful?

On another topic someone chaffed at the idea that the PS3 was 3 times more powerful than the XBOX 360......rightfully so.

The PS3 is certainly not 3 times more powerful. For honesty's sake, I'd even like to volunteer that the PS3 isn't twice as powerful. But seeing how the XBOX 360 is having a hard time rendering its own 2010 exclusives in high definition whereas the PS3 isn't, I think its fair to say the PS3 is at least 25% more powerful, and possibly as high as 50% more.

Can we agree to that?

On another topic someone chaffed at the idea that the PS3 was 3 times more powerful than the XBOX 360......rightfully so.

The PS3 is certainly not 3 times more powerful. For honesty's sake, I'd even like to volunteer that the PS3 isn't twice as powerful. But seeing how the XBOX 360 is having a hard time rendering its own 2010 exclusives in high definition whereas the PS3 isn't, I think its fair to say the PS3 is at least 25% more powerful, and possibly as high as 50% more.

Can we agree to that?

Persistantthug

do you have anything to back up this '25% to 50%' more powerful claim?

Well, with Alan Wake that does 100x bigger scale and next gen effects than any PS3 exclusive and the best versino of RDR by miles, xbox 360 seems like 100% more powerfull than PS3 to me

Based on exclusives, I would says its only a tiny bit more powerful than the 360.

No. Because that isn't true. :? The two machines are more or less the same, give or take. I can't believe this is still even a debate after all these years...

EDIT: also, why is it that more or less every thread asking 'can we all agree...' ALWAYS goes on to propose a totally unagreeable premise? :P

Well, with Alan Wake that does 100x bigger scale and next gen effects than any PS3 exclusive and the best versino of RDR by miles, xbox 360 seems like 100% more powerfull than PS3 to me

theseekar

Alan Wake doesn't even compare to UC2 or GOW3.

Well, with Alan Wake that does 100x bigger scale and next gen effects than any PS3 exclusive and the best versino of RDR by miles, xbox 360 seems like 100% more powerfull than PS3 to me

theseekar

An agreement on System Wars will never happen.MonsieurX

You see,

I'm trying to be fair and honest here.....

But no one seems to want to even do that. :(

No, because it's a blatant lie. Both of MS's and Sony's machines are almost completely identical in terms of power, each separate one having a compensating advantage and disadvantage over the other.

Well, with Alan Wake that does 100x bigger scale and next gen effects than any PS3 exclusive and the best versino of RDR by miles, xbox 360 seems like 100% more powerfull than PS3 to me

theseekar

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[QUOTE="MonsieurX"]An agreement on System Wars will never happen.Persistantthug

You see,

I'm trying to be fair and honest here.....

But no one seems to want to even do that. :(

Well, with Alan Wake that does 100x bigger scale and next gen effects than any PS3 exclusive and the best versino of RDR by miles, xbox 360 seems like 100% more powerfull than PS3 to me

theseekar

I understand scale, theseekar,

But keep in mind, INFAMOUS's graphics didn't suck...they were good with really good lighting effects in fact. Not only that, but the game was "open world", and the game was native 720p.

Alan wake was sub HD.

Who cares..

Xbox was 49301% more powerful than PS2 and yet PS2 is regarded as the best console of all-time.

..

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[QUOTE="MonsieurX"]An agreement on System Wars will never happen.Ninja-Hippo

You see,

I'm trying to be fair and honest here.....

But no one seems to want to even do that. :(

RDR uses the same GTA4 engine though....the same engine that Rockstar was having trouble with back in 2007 when they had to delay the game because they couldn't program the PS3 well enough.

Also, FF13 is better on the PS3 as well as a handful of other 2010 multiplatform games....this creates inconsistency. What that means is, is multiplatform games are a poor way of judging a systems "power".

Well, with Alan Wake that does 100x bigger scale and next gen effects than any PS3 exclusive and the best versino of RDR by miles, xbox 360 seems like 100% more powerfull than PS3 to me

theseekar

Agree.

Based on exclusives, I would says its only a tiny bit more powerful than the 360.

ps3_owns_360Wii

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Well, with Alan Wake that does 100x bigger scale and next gen effects than any PS3 exclusive and the best versino of RDR by miles, xbox 360 seems like 100% more powerfull than PS3 to me

rp108

Agree.

Perhaps you missed what I said,

INFAMOUS > Alan Wake

and

RDR = GTA 4 = 2007

/p>

RDR uses the same GTA4 engine though....the same engine that Rockstar was having trouble with back in 2007 when they had to delay the game because they couldn't program the PS3 well enough.

Also, FF13 is better on the PS3 as well as a handful of other 2010 multiplatform games....this creates inconsistency. What that means is, is multiplatform games are a poor way of judging a systems "power".

Persistantthug

lol no!!! not even 10%. they are about equal

Which one is technically more powerful is irrelevant. It all comes down to which system actually has the better looking games.

It's like those Xbox fanboys the previous generation, who boasted having the most powerful system, while it took them years to come up with a game as good-looking as the Gamecube exclusive Star Fox Adventures (which was released in 2002!), and some Gamecube multiplats even had way shorter loading times. It all comes down to how much power the devs are actually able to cram out of the machine.

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Well, with Alan Wake that does 100x bigger scale and next gen effects than any PS3 exclusive and the best versino of RDR by miles, xbox 360 seems like 100% more powerfull than PS3 to me

ps3_owns_360Wii

Alan Wake doesn't even compare to UC2 or GOW3.

-100x bigger scale and open areas

- real forests and weather effecs

- dynamic volumetric lighting

Sorry, Alan Wake graphics are the future, tiny static spaces of GOW3 and U2 are jomeiocre last gen stuff for me

PS3 hardware is totallyh weak and not even close to 360 next gen GPU, RAM and design

That is why the difference in RDR is so vast

Which one is technically more powerful is irrelevant. It all comes down to which system actually has the better looking games.

It's like those Xbox fanboys the previous generation, who boasted having the most powerful system, while it took them years to come up with a game as good-looking as the Gamecube exclusive Star Fox Adventures (which was released in 2002!), and some Gamecube multiplats even had way shorter loading times. It all comes down to how much power the devs are actually able to cram out of the machine.

DraugenCP

What are you talking about man? Star Fox adventure looked great. But nothing close to HaloCE, Halo2, Ninja Gaiden, Dead or alive 3, Chaos Theory, etc...

10% at best.

I'd guess my percent figure comes from a similar source.

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Well, with Alan Wake that does 100x bigger scale and next gen effects than any PS3 exclusive and the best versino of RDR by miles, xbox 360 seems like 100% more powerfull than PS3 to me

theseekar

Alan Wake doesn't even compare to UC2 or GOW3.

- real forests and weather effecs

Holy bloody ****, they somehow managed to get actual forests and weather INTO the game? Alan Wake might have a chance at beating Real Life, after all.

Oh and the PS3 and 360 seem to be equally as powerful, to me.

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[QUOTE="theseekar"]

Well, with Alan Wake that does 100x bigger scale and next gen effects than any PS3 exclusive and the best versino of RDR by miles, xbox 360 seems like 100% more powerfull than PS3 to me

theseekar

Alan Wake doesn't even compare to UC2 or GOW3.

-100x bigger scale and open areas

- real forests and weather effecs

- dynamic volumetric lighting

Sorry, Alan Wake graphics are the future, tiny static spaces of GOW3 and U2 are jomeiocre last gen stuff for me

PS3 hardware is totallyh weak and not even close to 360 next gen GPU, RAM and design

That is why the difference in RDR is so vast

Can you provide proof?

I love threads that start "can we agree (insert oppinionated statement)". because they are destined to fail. TC I think that yes PS3 has some hardware advantages over 360 that Sony developers have made proper use of, but more powerful? How do you determine power? (graphics cards, cpu, ram, ram speed etc). If ps3 has an advantage it is probably very very small.

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Alan Wake doesn't even compare to UC2 or GOW3.

sam_nintendo

-100x bigger scale and open areas

- real forests and weather effecs

- dynamic volumetric lighting

Sorry, Alan Wake graphics are the future, tiny static spaces of GOW3 and U2 are jomeiocre last gen stuff for me

PS3 hardware is totallyh weak and not even close to 360 next gen GPU, RAM and design

That is why the difference in RDR is so vast

Yes to both

I actually know exactly how the effect is done too

System wars and agreement don't go together.

I'll say 10% from what I've seen...

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/p>

RDR uses the same GTA4 engine though....the same engine that Rockstar was having trouble with back in 2007 when they had to delay the game because they couldn't program the PS3 well enough.

Also, FF13 is better on the PS3 as well as a handful of other 2010 multiplatform games....this creates inconsistency. What that means is, is multiplatform games are a poor way of judging a systems "power".

Ninja-Hippo

Anything could be made to run better on a particular system if its made to run that way, Ninja-Hippo.

Many early multiplatform engines and games were made to run best on XBOX 360 because of lack of know how regarding the PS3.

I would say that the PS3 is about 10% more powerful but like 30% more difficult to develop for

More or less I don't think the 360 could handle Uncharted 2 in 720p but I think the PS3 could handle Alan Wake in 720p

TC, 2005 called and they want you back.

its 2010 and PS3 multiplats STILL look inferior compaired to the purported '' Weaker '' system?

if we are still searching for this 50% more power at this late date then this gen has been an Epic fail for PS3.

nothing to see here.

please move on.

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-100x bigger scale and open areas

- real forests and weather effecs

- dynamic volumetric lighting

Sorry, Alan Wake graphics are the future, tiny static spaces of GOW3 and U2 are jomeiocre last gen stuff for me

PS3 hardware is totallyh weak and not even close to 360 next gen GPU, RAM and design

That is why the difference in RDR is so vast

theseekar

Yes to both

I actually know exactly how the effect is done too

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"]An agreement on System Wars will never happen.Persistantthug

You see,

I'm trying to be fair and honest here.....

But no one seems to want to even do that. :(

how is 50MHz faster 25% better? how on earth can the color pallette be worse than 360 if its more powerful? thats what you get for buying parts that arent as good of quality as microsoft, sony!!!. the reliability of the 360 is only caused by human error and the like because i have a 2008 model 360 and never turned it in once to M$ that still works 100%

I would say that the PS3 is about 10% more powerful but like 30% more difficult to develop for

More or less I don't think the 360 could handle Uncharted 2 in 720p but I think the PS3 could handle Alan Wake in 720p

Diviniuz

PS3 could never run Alan Wake, not a single exclusive has as huge spaces, next gen lighting and real forests/foliage

Would probably run it in 480p, if at all and with far worst effects and of coursethe big areas would all be cut

If there is any difference at all, I'd judge it to be no more than 4-7% in raw power.

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[QUOTE="sam_nintendo"] I'm curious, do you actually know what dynamic volumetric lighting is? And have you played U2?sam_nintendo

Yes to both

I actually know exactly how the effect is done too

It is the sumulation of dust particles in atmospherethat light reflects on, and give this hazy effect in the environment between the light actual end target

The effect is very simpel to do, just add layers(planes) of transparent light volume representation, and the hard part is to make the shadows right, that is interaction with environment objects that create a shadow in the volume, usually by rendering the surrounding from light source and seeing which objects should be painted over the transparency planes to create the shadow effect

It is all an illusion, but very impressive one when done the real way (with shadows checkthat is)