Can we finally admit the Wii U is last generation now?

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Because basing a generation of anything on anything other than time makes no sense at all? Generations of basketball players aren't defined on skill, generations of pokemon cards aren't based on usefulness of the cards or power, generations of CEO aren't based on success. They are all based on being the successor to the previous lineage and its the same for consoles. Why are you trying so hard?

GD1551

I'm not trying hard at all, because console generations have always been defined by increasing hardware capabilities. As I said earlier this was never an issue before the Wii because most consoles were in the same ballpark of power, but with the Wii and Wii U the issues arises. If a 1960 camry was built exactly like how it was in 1960, today.. would you consider it a modern car?

No, they have been defined by being successor to previous hardware. The fact that they were more powerful is not important. And lol, that analogy is so stupid I'm not going to entertain. Just explain, is what I said about basketball, cards and CEOs inaccurate or does it make sense? Because really, that should be where this argument was decided.

[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="GD1551"]

I'm not trying hard at all, because console generations have always been defined by increasing hardware capabilities. As I said earlier this was never an issue before the Wii because most consoles were in the same ballpark of power, but with the Wii and Wii U the issues arises. If a 1960 camry was built exactly like how it was in 1960, today.. would you consider it a modern car?

GD1551

Except the U uses 10 year old parts.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

Authority on this?

Cranler

Because basing a generation of anything on anything other than time makes no sense at all? Generations of basketball players aren't defined on skill, generations of pokemon cards aren't based on usefulness of the cards or power, generations of CEO aren't based on success. They are all based on being the successor to the previous lineage and its the same for consoles. Why are you trying so hard?

I used cards as well just to make a point and the next generation would be the genration after the current one. That would be what the WiiU embodies wouldn't it? We're just gonna go back and forth but frankly there are about 20000 examples that support the stance of time and really nothing supporting your want for it to be hardware so I don't see why I'm still habing this discsussion.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"] Were talking CONSOLE GENERATIONS here. Thought that would be clear. Who plays handhelds? Long car rides? Toilet? Airplanes? Useless, but I guess kids like them. Advid-Gamer

There is no difference, you're clueless.

Compelling argument champ   :lol:

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="kingtito"] It's still a 360 no matter how many sku's come out. The WiiU ISN'T the same as the Wii. Stop trying to change the rules because YOU don't happen to agree with them. kingtito

[QUOTE="AznbkdX"]

Look in Webster.

If the official definition isn't enough, then I don't know what would be.

If I remember correctly, we tend to go by the original definitions for things. Even with multiple definitions they all are still fairly absolute on their meanings.

Nowhere in there does it say anything about an advantageous evolution of anything when it comes to tech. You can imply it, but you can never say its there.

Cranler

next-generation

adjective[before noun]

Definition

used to describe a product that has been developed using the latest technology and will probably replace an existing product:

I typed in just generation myself and it had nothing on that.

Guess it really does depend on what you are talking about. You could say that the WiiU is next gen even if its not a big jump. It does have the gamepad still which that definition says that its using the latest technology, but thats a stretch.

Hell even the PS4 doesn't use the latest technology. I guess none of them are next gen though since it seems not even the straight definition works well for either of them. Only PC can really say anything about it.

I guess we have to play it fast and loose.

[QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"][QUOTE="kingtito"] I'm an idiot because you dumb@asses are trying to change the rules of the game? Since when has a generation been determined by power? Yeah that's what I thought kidkingtito

[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="Cranler"] You obviously didnt read what I was replying to. The wii was such a tiny improvement over the Gamecube that I consider both of those to be the same gen of console technology. Cranler

Are you stupid? :| Are you another ShadowMoses? :lol:

Michael0134567

:lol:

The Wii U is current gen (same as PS3/360) to me. If you expect me to consider the Wii U as gen 8, then I expect you to consider the PS4 as gen 9.AmazonTreeBoa

lol, look at all this incessant bickering.

It's a next gen console with current gen hardware, there is your answer.

[QUOTE="Cranler"]

[QUOTE="AznbkdX"]

Look in Webster.

If the official definition isn't enough, then I don't know what would be.

If I remember correctly, we tend to go by the original definitions for things. Even with multiple definitions they all are still fairly absolute on their meanings.

Nowhere in there does it say anything about an advantageous evolution of anything when it comes to tech. You can imply it, but you can never say its there.

next-generation

adjective[before noun]

Definition

used to describe a product that has been developed using the latest technology and will probably replace an existing product:

I typed in just generation myself and it had nothing on that.

Guess it really does depend on what you are talking about. You could say that the WiiU is next gen even if its not a big jump. It does have the gamepad still which that definition says that its using the latest technology, but thats a stretch.

Hell even the PS4 doesn't use the latest technology. I guess none of them are next gen though since it seems not even the straight definition works well for either of them. Only PC can really say anything about it.

I guess we have to play it fast and loose.

lol, look at all this incessant bickering.

It's a next gen console with current gen hardware, there is your answer.

deangallop

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"]The Wii U is current gen (same as PS3/360) to me. If you expect me to consider the Wii U as gen 8, then I expect you to consider the PS4 as gen 9.vaderhater

[QUOTE="deangallop"]

lol, look at all this incessant bickering.

It's a next gen console with current gen hardware, there is your answer.

Advid-Gamer

[QUOTE="vaderhater"]

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"]The Wii U is current gen (same as PS3/360) to me. If you expect me to consider the Wii U as gen 8, then I expect you to consider the PS4 as gen 9.AmazonTreeBoa

[QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"][QUOTE="deangallop"]

lol, look at all this incessant bickering.

It's a next gen console with current gen hardware, there is your answer.

vaderhater

Console generations are not determined by power at all, it's all written down here, its by succession Magnavox oddyssey Ves-Atari2600 Coleco vision-NES-Sega master system Snes-Megadrive Ps1-N64-Atari jaguar-Saturn-3DO-pippin Ps2-Gamecube-xbox Ps3-Wii-Xbox 360 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_console

delta3074

It says the PS 4 will be the first of the new gen.

Nope its next gen but has its own generation at least according to Sony.

[QUOTE="AznbkdX"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"]Webster doesnt even have next generation in their online dictionary. Cambridge does

next-generation

adjective[before noun]

 

Definition

used to describe a product that has been developed using the latest technology and will probably replace an existing product:

 

Cranler

I typed in just generation myself and it had nothing on that.

Guess it really does depend on what you are talking about. You could say that the WiiU is next gen even if its not a big jump. It does have the gamepad still which that definition says that its using the latest technology, but thats a stretch.

Hell even the PS4 doesn't use the latest technology. I guess none of them are next gen though since it seems not even the straight definition works well for either of them. Only PC can really say anything about it.

I guess we have to play it fast and loose.

No its says latest technology for that type of product, as in the PS4 could have had a stronger GPU than it does now which there are a couple better than it. Not to mention a stronger CPU than it does now, with even more RAM. The controller may be the only thing next gen that I saw on it and even still that may not use the latest tech on Move capabilities and such. The WiiU has a new fangled gamepad which has never been made the way it has been before, but its still going off the idea of an old product. Still pretty loose.

You can twist this in any way. Thats why I said fast and loose. Just going off what was given in front of me. My definition wouldn't work, but neither is the next-gen one worth a damn either, which really bugs the crap out of me.

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"][QUOTE="vaderhater"]Nope

vaderhater

[QUOTE="delta3074"]Console generations are not determined by power at all, it's all written down here, its by succession Magnavox oddyssey Ves-Atari2600 Coleco vision-NES-Sega master system Snes-Megadrive Ps1-N64-Atari jaguar-Saturn-3DO-pippin Ps2-Gamecube-xbox Ps3-Wii-Xbox 360 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_console

Cranler

It says the PS 4 will be the first of the new gen.

[QUOTE="vaderhater"]

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"] Okay then. I can't consider the Wii U as 8th gen either. AmazonTreeBoa

TC, go post where they do then. In E3 MS has called games like l4D exclusive even though they are on PC. Here, they are multiplats. MS are apart of the industry and seem to define multis different. Doesn't matter, because we post in SW, and here WiiU, PS4 and Nextbox are 8th gen. Deal with it. You can still not buy WiiU, not like it, make fun of it. But it is the new gen.cainetao11

TC, go post where they do then. In E3 MS has called games like l4D exclusive even though they are on PC. Here, they are multiplats. MS are apart of the industry and seem to define multis different. Doesn't matter, because we post in SW, and here WiiU, PS4 and Nextbox are 8th gen. Deal with it. You can still not buy WiiU, not like it, make fun of it. But it is the new gen.cainetao11

Has valve ever called L4D exclusive? MS is being biased in that regard because it benefits them to say such things, these statements I am using however are unbiased 3rd party developers/publishers. 

It's still roughly 2x Xbox 360's output and has 4x speed blu-ray discs for games.  And another innovative controller and an amazing gamepad.  And next gen UI and OS.  And it would be next generation no matter what because that's how it goes... new console, new gen.

So, no.

I dont know if its last gen...

But its sure not a part of PS4 and Nextbox's generation thats for damn sure

[QUOTE="cainetao11"]TC, go post where they do then. In E3 MS has called games like l4D exclusive even though they are on PC. Here, they are multiplats. MS are apart of the industry and seem to define multis different. Doesn't matter, because we post in SW, and here WiiU, PS4 and Nextbox are 8th gen. Deal with it. You can still not buy WiiU, not like it, make fun of it. But it is the new gen.vaderhater

Amazing as PS4 games like Killzone SF and Witcher 3 are going to look, we'll see some amazing stuff from Nintendo as well.

In addition to being twice as capable as 360, Nintendo won't use processing power for all the particle and crazy effects you see in some of these games putting on a spectacle.  Just pure art is what they show.

People will be picking their jaws from the floor when they show the new 3d mario and whatever Retro's doing.

The wii u is IMO current gen .5 meaning it is better than the current gen but not next gen. What really worries me is that it will be so waek that 3rd party ports won't be possible with out lots of work. Unless the wii u moves alot of units then I doubt 3rd parties will spend money to port games to it. So it will get ps3/360 ports for a little while but not next gen games.

People want to write off the Wii U as being last gen so they wont have to acknowledge the high scores, inevitable GOTYs, and likely high sales.

Same way people tried to put the Wii in its own category last gen to discredit any accomplishments it had.

Preemptive damage control at its worst.

I will laugh my ass off if the Wii U outsells the PS4 this coming holiday and gets a goty... "but, bu, bu teh standerdz!"  :cry:

People want to write off the Wii U as being last gen so they wont have to acknowledge the high scores, inevitable GOTYs, and likely high sales.

Same way people tried to put the Wii in its own category last gen to discredit any accomplishments it had.

Preemptive damage control at its worst.

 

I will laugh my ass off if the Wii U outsells the PS4 this coming holiday and gets a goty... "but, bu, bu teh standerdz!"  :cry:

 

sandbox3d

That's a whole lotta "ifs"

At the end of the day the PS4 will in all likely-hood be a better system with a better library, and in the end that's what matters to gamers...not sales numbers.

I dont know if its last gen...

 

But its sure not a part of PS4 and Nextbox's generation thats for damn sure

Zaibach

The Wii U will be directly competing against the PS4 and 720,so yes, it is part of the same generation.

[QUOTE="sandbox3d"]

People want to write off the Wii U as being last gen so they wont have to acknowledge the high scores, inevitable GOTYs, and likely high sales.

Same way people tried to put the Wii in its own category last gen to discredit any accomplishments it had.

Preemptive damage control at its worst.

 

I will laugh my ass off if the Wii U outsells the PS4 this coming holiday and gets a goty... "but, bu, bu teh standerdz!"  :cry:

 

deangallop

That's a whole lotta "ifs"

At the end of the day the PS4 will in all likely-hood be a better system with a better library, and in the end that's what matters to gamers...not sales numbers.

Sure is a lot of ifs.  Nintendo getting high scoring games and Gotys really isnt though.  They've been doing that non-stop since the 80s.

PS4 will absolutely be a better system on a technical level and I'm 99% sure it will have a MUCH better library.

The gist of my post was not sales #s, but it seems thats all you really took from it.

All I'm saying is that Wii U is current gen and people are just trying to marginalize it early on for their own fanboyish intents.

People want to write off the Wii U as being last gen so they wont have to acknowledge the high scores, inevitable GOTYs, and likely high sales.

Same way people tried to put the Wii in its own category last gen to discredit any accomplishments it had.

Preemptive damage control at its worst.

 

I will laugh my ass off if the Wii U outsells the PS4 this coming holiday and gets a goty... "but, bu, bu teh standerdz!"  :cry:

 

sandbox3d

People want to write off the Wii U as being last gen so they wont have to acknowledge the high scores, inevitable GOTYs, and likely high sales.

Same way people tried to put the Wii in its own category last gen to discredit any accomplishments it had.

Preemptive damage control at its worst.

 

I will laugh my ass off if the Wii U outsells the PS4 this coming holiday and gets a goty... "but, bu, bu teh standerdz!"  :cry:

 

sandbox3d

Yep, history has sure proven that Nintendo normally gets those haha.

Congratz TC on successfully pissing everyone off. :lol:

[QUOTE="sandbox3d"]

People want to write off the Wii U as being last gen so they wont have to acknowledge the high scores, inevitable GOTYs, and likely high sales.

Same way people tried to put the Wii in its own category last gen to discredit any accomplishments it had.

Preemptive damage control at its worst.

 

I will laugh my ass off if the Wii U outsells the PS4 this coming holiday and gets a goty... "but, bu, bu teh standerdz!"  :cry:

 

GD1551

Yep, history has sure proven that Nintendo normally gets those haha.

Highest scoring games in every gen since they've been making games?  Yep.  Tons of GotYs?  Yep.  Top selling games?  Yep.  Hardware sales can go either way, but barring the Gamecube they're usually up there.

I know you tried to be sarcastic, but all you need to do is look at the facts.

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"][QUOTE="vaderhater"]But it is no matter what You think.

vaderhater

[QUOTE="vaderhater"]

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"] As it is no matter what you think, so wtf is your point? Do you even have one?AmazonTreeBoa

[QUOTE="sandbox3d"]

People want to write off the Wii U as being last gen so they wont have to acknowledge the high scores, inevitable GOTYs, and likely high sales.

Same way people tried to put the Wii in its own category last gen to discredit any accomplishments it had.

Preemptive damage control at its worst.

 

I will laugh my ass off if the Wii U outsells the PS4 this coming holiday and gets a goty... "but, bu, bu teh standerdz!"  :cry:

 

GD1551

Yep, history has sure proven that Nintendo normally gets those haha.

Actually yes, yes it has.  Were you trying to be funny?

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="sandbox3d"]

People want to write off the Wii U as being last gen so they wont have to acknowledge the high scores, inevitable GOTYs, and likely high sales.

Same way people tried to put the Wii in its own category last gen to discredit any accomplishments it had.

Preemptive damage control at its worst.

 

I will laugh my ass off if the Wii U outsells the PS4 this coming holiday and gets a goty... "but, bu, bu teh standerdz!"  :cry:

 

ConanTheStoner

Yep, history has sure proven that Nintendo normally gets those haha.

Actually yes, yes it has.  Were you trying to be funny?

You guys are all thinking way too deep into this lol. But its funny watching tho. :D

i don't consider wii u to be a real console. everyone has known all along it would be ps4 vs 720.

[QUOTE="ConanTheStoner"]

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

Yep, history has sure proven that Nintendo normally gets those haha.

sanim02

Actually yes, yes it has.  Were you trying to be funny?

You guys are all thinking way too deep into this lol. But its funny watching tho. :D

I have no idea whats deep about that.  He was acting like they don't when clearly they do.  Its simple actually.

Nope it current gen, just like PS4 and Xbox whatever. The Wii U is the successor to the Wii which was the successor to the GC, just like PS4 is the successor to PS3 which was the successor to PS2, etc.

[QUOTE="sanim02"]

[QUOTE="ConanTheStoner"]

Actually yes, yes it has.  Were you trying to be funny?

ConanTheStoner

You guys are all thinking way too deep into this lol. But its funny watching tho. :D

I have no idea whats deep about that.  He was acting like they don't when clearly they do.  Its simple actually.