Can we have a Gameplay King? and name it MGS4?

hated MGS4 gameplay..it worked for the PS2 version, but with such stronger competition of realism in terms of gameplay like splinter cell....MGS4 gameplay looks dated and just stupid. (being able to carry an arsenal of weapons on you) It doesn't match the fluid cutscenes either. Gameplay Animations need serious improvement, IMO. Still boggles me how snake slits an enemies throat with his left hand.

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"]

Well technically MGS4 is story king, voice acting king and cutscene king. prolly gameplay king too :D !

dommeus

MGS4 easily out of those

I'd nominate:

• Halo 3
• Gears of War 1+2
• Super Smash Bros Brawl
• Monster Hunter Tri
• Demon's Souls
• FIFA 11
• Blazblue CT/CS
• Oblivion

There are plenty of addictive arcade games as well.

*This is purely gameplay only.

[QUOTE="KristoffBrujah"]

I love these threads. It's always the same cast of characters: some Valve shooter, some Mario clone with gameplay that has barely changed since Mario 64, Halo, etc.

My gameplay king is Assassin's Creed 2 on console or Shogun 2 on PC.

oldkingallant

After playing 2 hours of it on my friend's Wii, I was at a loss to describe the gameplay advance between SMG and Mario 64. There were a few differences but otherwise I couldn't escape the idea that this was Mario 64 on spheres. Played New Super Mario Brothers, now I have co-op mode with invincible bubble thingy and a map, but otherwise it feels just like Super Mario Brothers.

These review sites giving out AAA-AAAA for 10-15 year old updated Mario gameplay just made me laugh. Probably why there is so little originality in the game industry anymore. Like Hollywood movie makers think, why innovate and take a risk when you can just rehash the same characters/gameplay forever and make $$$$?

[QUOTE="dommeus"][QUOTE="Mozelleple112"]

Well technically MGS4 is story king, voice acting king and cutscene king. prolly gameplay king too :D !

soapandbubbles

Not really, I'm a fan of the series(not a blind one) and I agree with some of the harsh remarks regarding it's gameplay. Even back in the PS2 days most of us criticized the gameplay then. The gameplay in MGS3 did improve a "LITTLE" but not by much.

[QUOTE="soapandbubbles"][QUOTE="dommeus"] If it weren't for your sig, I would have been certain you were joking.MarcRecon

Not really, I'm a fan of the series(not a blind one) and I agree with some of the harsh remarks regarding it's gameplay. Even back in the PS2 days most of us criticized the gameplay then. The gameplay in MGS3 did improve a "LITTLE" but not by much.

[QUOTE="oldkingallant"][QUOTE="KristoffBrujah"]

I love these threads. It's always the same cast of characters: some Valve shooter, some Mario clone with gameplay that has barely changed since Mario 64, Halo, etc.

My gameplay king is Assassin's Creed 2 on console or Shogun 2 on PC.

KristoffBrujah

After playing 2 hours of it on my friend's Wii, I was at a loss to describe the gameplay advance between SMG and Mario 64. There were a few differences but otherwise I couldn't escape the idea that this was Mario 64 on spheres. Played New Super Mario Brothers, now I have co-op mode with invincible bubble thingy and a map, but otherwise it feels just like Super Mario Brothers.

These review sites giving out AAA-AAAA for 10-15 year old updated Mario gameplay just made me laugh. Probably why there is so little originality in the game industry anymore. Like Hollywood movie makers think, why innovate and take a risk when you can just rehash the same characters/gameplay forever and make $$$$?

I highly doubt you played the game.

[QUOTE="dommeus"][QUOTE="Mozelleple112"]

Well technically MGS4 is story king, voice acting king and cutscene king. prolly gameplay king too :D !

soapandbubbles

If you were to talk to most long time fans they will tell you that the game was an utter disappointment.

• retcon most major plot points? check.
• basically ruin every character? check.
• abandon the series gameplay for something much, much worse? check. (I blame Payton for this one, Kojima was just a follower.)
• worst ending ever? check.
• chalk all major series mysteries up to nanomachines? check.
• bring back series icon needlessly just to kill him off minutes later? check.
• Try to tie everything together in such a dumb manner that it doesnt make sense (even to the point of making Dr.Clarke be Paramedic when we know Dr.Clarke is supposed to be a man....:| )?..... check...

MGS4 is the game that should have never been made.

Mozelleple is not a fan. Just another one of the thousands of band-wagoners that jumped on board with MGS4. Riding that 10/10 like it matters or something. To an MGS fan the score is the very last thing that matters.

Observing his conversations, I've seen that he doesn't even understand MGS on the surface, let alone the intricacies. Hes just a AAAA **** rider.

And for you real fans that do love MGS4 I mean no offense. I know some of you really dig it, but I'm speaking for the majority here. I hate when people declare MGS4 as "a game for the fans" when infact it is very far detatched from the rest of the series.

jc2

I lol'd.

I highly doubt you played the game.

timmy00

It wasn't by choice. I was literally forced to play or watch him play it. My sister also owns a Wii and SMG and I've seen her play it. :|

[QUOTE="timmy00"]

I lol'd.

I highly doubt you played the game.

KristoffBrujah

It wasn't by choice. I was literally forced to play or watch him play it. My sister also owns a Wii and SMG and I've seen her play it. :|

To say SMG2 is almost exactly like SM64 is just wrong.

Gameplay KIng? Peggle! Its hard to stop playing it once you start.

Definitely not Movie Gear Solid 4.

[QUOTE="KristoffBrujah"]

[QUOTE="timmy00"]

I lol'd.

I highly doubt you played the game.

timmy00

It wasn't by choice. I was literally forced to play or watch him play it. My sister also owns a Wii and SMG and I've seen her play it. :|

To say SMG2 is almost exactly like SM64 is just wrong.

XD

SW is really a comic club today, is it not?

I never like Mario 64 or 3d platformers in general. But I loved SMG and SMG2 even more. Very different design choices between 64 and the Galaxy games. They are both 3d platformers and thats about were the similarities end.

Saying SM64 = SMG is like saying Goldeneye = Crysis.

[QUOTE="timmy00"]

[QUOTE="KristoffBrujah"]

It wasn't by choice. I was literally forced to play or watch him play it. My sister also owns a Wii and SMG and I've seen her play it. :|

Wiimotefan

To say SMG2 is almost exactly like SM64 is just wrong.

XD

SW is really a comic club today, is it not?

I never like Mario 64 or 3d platformers in general. But I loved SMG and SMG2 even more. Very different design choices between 64 and the Galaxy games. They are both 3d platformers and thats about were the similarities end.

Saying SM64 = SMG is like saying Goldeneye = Crysis.

I enjoyed SM64 to a certain extent. Though I prefer Sunshine and SMG2. Heck Sunshine and SMG2 is some of the best games I've played. I don't know why I love Sunshine that much. >_>

But yeah I'm not a fan of 3d platformers either.

Batman Arkham Asylum, or Just Cause 2

emorainbo

So gameplay king should be all "complex"??? Isn't gameplay meant to be just fun???

Having said that, there can't be a gameplay king as there's too many different kind ofgameplays. It's like when someone makes a thread comparing I dunno... GTAIV vs DMC (just to come up with an example), everybody points out how stupid it is to compare them.

This is exactly the same.

So gameplay king should be all "complex"??? Isn't gameplay meant to be just fun???

Having said that, there can't be a gameplay king as there's too many different kind ofgameplays. It's like when someone makes a thread comparing I dunno... GTAIV vs DMC (just to come up with an example), everybody points out how stupid it is to compare them.

This is exactly the same.

GreenGoblin2099

There should be a gameplay king per genre. That would make sense.

[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]

So gameplay king should be all "complex"??? Isn't gameplay meant to be just fun???

Having said that, there can't be a gameplay king as there's too many different kind ofgameplays. It's like when someone makes a thread comparing I dunno... GTAIV vs DMC (just to come up with an example), everybody points out how stupid it is to compare them.

This is exactly the same.

alfredooo

There should be a gameplay king per genre. That would make sense.

I was going to add that to my post... but I didn't want to give the folks here ideas for one million "king" threads. Puzzle king, FPS king, platformer king, etc etc.

Gamepaly is entirely subjective, that is why there can be no crowned king. Your poll shows that seeing as how most of the choices are shooters. Not everyone likes shooters I prefer rpgs over shooters so my gameplay king would be one of the games in the genre.

its an answer of what kind of games you like, i loved mgs4 but some people here dont, while others love crysis 2 and i think it was trash

MGS4 is the lest game that could be called gameplay king imo, it barely has passable gameplay

[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]

So gameplay king should be all "complex"??? Isn't gameplay meant to be just fun???

Having said that, there can't be a gameplay king as there's too many different kind ofgameplays. It's like when someone makes a thread comparing I dunno... GTAIV vs DMC (just to come up with an example), everybody points out how stupid it is to compare them.

This is exactly the same.

GreenGoblin2099

There should be a gameplay king per genre. That would make sense.

I was going to add that to my post... but I didn't want to give the folks here ideas for one million "king" threads. Puzzle king, FPS king, platformer king, etc etc.

meh better than graphic threads were people end up comparing the quality of the grass in two demos of different versions of the same game.

I did not even finish MGS4 bc I was so bored with it.

xsatyr86

No, I have MGS4, and it is horrible.

Company of Heroes is my gameplay king!

Domobomb

[QUOTE="KristoffBrujah"]

[QUOTE="timmy00"]

I lol'd.

I highly doubt you played the game.

timmy00

It wasn't by choice. I was literally forced to play or watch him play it. My sister also owns a Wii and SMG and I've seen her play it. :|

To say SMG2 is almost exactly like SM64 is just wrong.

If SMG2 is the same as SM64, Half-Life 2 is the same as DOOM, Dragon Age: Origins is the same as Baldur's Gate, Shogun 2: Total War is the same as its 10 year old predecessor, and every single 2-D fighting game is the same as Street Fighter II. The amount of variety and innovation in SMG2 was highly praised. There were tons of things never before seen in a Mario game. If you're going to ignore all those you might as well ignore all gaming innovations over the last 25 years and just say that the PS3, 360, and Wii = the NES.

For the record KristoffBrujah, I own all 3 consoles, a DS (3DS in two days), and a very powerful PC that can handle any game on max settings. I have played tons of games, including the supposedly innovative ones. Super Mario Galaxy 2 stands above every single one of them in the gameplay category, its only competition in my mind being Demon's Souls. Crysis is a favorite FPS of mine, and it has a lot more in common with 10 year old games than SMG does, but I imagine you like that one yes?

Looks like it would have to be gameplay king by generation. aka Platformer would be SMG2. FPS ???. RPG Mass Effect 2?

Hey @timmy00

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]

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Who? Never heard of it. Mario, Link... Pandora's Tower....?

KristoffBrujah

I don't play any Nintendo, sorry. It's just that Mario, Link, and Samus' related franchises are still dominating in their 4th decade of life. At least on console.

Doesn't it seem bizarre to have gone so long without some new character to carry their console?

I think we have ourselves a contradiction. That said...

[QUOTE="timmy00"]

[QUOTE="KristoffBrujah"]

It wasn't by choice. I was literally forced to play or watch him play it. My sister also owns a Wii and SMG and I've seen her play it. :|

oldkingallant

To say SMG2 is almost exactly like SM64 is just wrong.

For the record KristoffBrujah, I own all 3 consoles, a DS (3DS in two days), and a very powerful PC that can handle any game on max settings. I have played tons of games, including the supposedly innovative ones. Super Mario Galaxy 2 stands above every single one of them in the gameplay category, its only competition in my mind being Demon's Souls. Crysis is a favorite FPS of mine, and it has a lot more in common with 10 year old games than SMG does, but I imagine you like that one yes?

I look at people who enjoy that like I look at people who are fascinated by shiny things. If Mario platforming still interests you after 20 years, okay, to each their own. I would rather watch paint dry than platform on another predictable Mario game.

But for God's sake, don't tell me it holds a candle to LittleBigPlanet or someone else who at least tried to innovate and give something different.

I cannot fathom how anyone can derive satisfaction at playing Mario again, this time on spheres and with substandard technology. It bored me in under 2 hours. Everyone knows someone with a Wii, so acting like claiming someone's friend or relative has one is a "lie"... just laughable.

And no, LOL SMG stands above Total War series? Ha, like I said, those fascinating shiny things. Then again, reality TV is popular, Paris Hilton is supposedly popular, and bad movies are popular.

[QUOTE="oldkingallant"]

[QUOTE="timmy00"]Again I lol'd.

To say SMG2 is almost exactly like SM64 is just wrong.

For the record KristoffBrujah, I own all 3 consoles, a DS (3DS in two days), and a very powerful PC that can handle any game on max settings. I have played tons of games, including the supposedly innovative ones. Super Mario Galaxy 2 stands above every single one of them in the gameplay category, its only competition in my mind being Demon's Souls. Crysis is a favorite FPS of mine, and it has a lot more in common with 10 year old games than SMG does, but I imagine you like that one yes?

I look at people who enjoy that like I look at people who are fascinated by shiny things. If Mario platforming still interests you after 20 years, okay, to each their own. I would rather watch paint dry than platform on another predictable Mario game.

But for God's sake, don't tell me it holds a candle to LittleBigPlanet or someone else who at least tried to innovate and give something different.

I cannot fathom how anyone can derive satisfaction at playing Mario again, this time on spheres and with substandard technology. It bored me in under 2 hours. Everyone knows someone with a Wii, so acting like claiming someone's friend or relative has one is a "lie"... just laughable.

And no, LOL SMG stands above Total War series? Ha, like I said, those fascinating shiny things.

[QUOTE="oldkingallant"]

[QUOTE="timmy00"]Again I lol'd.

To say SMG2 is almost exactly like SM64 is just wrong.

KristoffBrujah

For the record KristoffBrujah, I own all 3 consoles, a DS (3DS in two days), and a very powerful PC that can handle any game on max settings. I have played tons of games, including the supposedly innovative ones. Super Mario Galaxy 2 stands above every single one of them in the gameplay category, its only competition in my mind being Demon's Souls. Crysis is a favorite FPS of mine, and it has a lot more in common with 10 year old games than SMG does, but I imagine you like that one yes?

I look at people who enjoy that like I look at people who are fascinated by shiny things. If Mario platforming still interests you after 20 years, okay, to each their own. I would rather watch paint dry than platform on another predictable Mario game.

But for God's sake, don't tell me it holds a candle to LittleBigPlanet or someone else who at least tried to innovate and give something different.

I cannot fathom how anyone can derive satisfaction at playing Mario again, this time on spheres and with substandard technology. It bored me in under 2 hours. Everyone knows someone with a Wii, so acting like claiming someone's friend or relative has one is a "lie"... just laughable.

And no, LOL SMG stands above Total War series? Ha, like I said, those fascinating shiny things.

In my opinion, Little Big Planet outweighs what SMG2 provides for this generation.

MGS4 is amazing in all areas.. thats why it deserves a 10.
Uncharted 2, Assassins Creed 2, Mass Effect, Halo Reach are all up there.

But i dont expect 7yr old gamer to prefer MGS4 over SMG2.
Like someone said.. 20years of Mario, you'd obviously check out what other games are as well, it would be hard not to.

[QUOTE="oldkingallant"]

[QUOTE="timmy00"]Again I lol'd.

To say SMG2 is almost exactly like SM64 is just wrong.

KristoffBrujah

For the record KristoffBrujah, I own all 3 consoles, a DS (3DS in two days), and a very powerful PC that can handle any game on max settings. I have played tons of games, including the supposedly innovative ones. Super Mario Galaxy 2 stands above every single one of them in the gameplay category, its only competition in my mind being Demon's Souls. Crysis is a favorite FPS of mine, and it has a lot more in common with 10 year old games than SMG does, but I imagine you like that one yes?

I look at people who enjoy that like I look at people who are fascinated by shiny things. If Mario platforming still interests you after 20 years, okay, to each their own. I would rather watch paint dry than platform on another predictable Mario game.

But for God's sake, don't tell me it holds a candle to LittleBigPlanet or someone else who at least tried to innovate and give something different.

And this is where we find out that either...

1. You have never played SMG (most likely answer)
2. You have played it, but simply dont understand what good platforming is and/or dont know great design when it slaps you in the face.
3. Are trolling, or
4. Just happen to have really, really, REALLY bad taste.

And lol complaining about SMG, but at the same time acknowledging that you'd like something innovative and different. If you only knew how ass backwards that was. :lol:

But the best part about this is, now I know I can safely ignore your posts from now on.

[QUOTE="oldkingallant"]

[QUOTE="timmy00"]Again I lol'd.

To say SMG2 is almost exactly like SM64 is just wrong.

KristoffBrujah

For the record KristoffBrujah, I own all 3 consoles, a DS (3DS in two days), and a very powerful PC that can handle any game on max settings. I have played tons of games, including the supposedly innovative ones. Super Mario Galaxy 2 stands above every single one of them in the gameplay category, its only competition in my mind being Demon's Souls. Crysis is a favorite FPS of mine, and it has a lot more in common with 10 year old games than SMG does, but I imagine you like that one yes?

Then again, reality TV is popular, Paris Hilton is supposedly popular, and bad movies are popular.

I might not have played the SMG games yet, but from what I have seen, the platforming is the most skilled and thoughtout possibly in platforming history.gaming25

Like I said, to each their own. I gamed with Mario on the original NES. Then the graphics and characters were expanded with the SNES, now Mario has Yoshi etc. Then the 64 and Mario 64, now exploration in 3d.

Now I'm an adult and childhood games like Mario are cute for people's kids. I figure they haven't had 15 years of Mario since childhood and this is probably their first Mario experience, okay fine. But seeing adults rave about Mario, now on spheres, is just shocking.

To me, it's one of those things along with American Idol that I just can't explain. If I'm still shooting it out with Nathan Drake and Sully in 20 years, please shoot me.

In my opinion, Little Big Planet outweighs what SMG2 provides for this generation.

MGS4 is amazing in all areas.. thats why it deserves a 10.
Uncharted 2, Assassins Creed 2, Mass Effect, Halo Reach are all up there.

But i dont expect 7yr old gamer to prefer MGS4 over SMG2.
Like someone said.. 20years of Mario, you'd obviously check out what other games are as well, it would be hard not to.

g0ddyX

In my opinion, Little Big Planet outweighs what SMG2 provides for this generation.

MGS4 is amazing in all areas.. thats why it deserves a 10.
Uncharted 2, Assassins Creed 2, Mass Effect, Halo Reach are all up there.

But i dont expect 7yr old gamer to prefer MGS4 over SMG2.
Like someone said.. 20years of Mario, you'd obviously check out what other games are as well, it would be hard not to.

g0ddyX

Man, so I guess just about every game reviewer in this world is 7 huh? I mean dont get me wrong, I have little respect for gaming journalism, but it would seem you are in the minority here.

And please explain how LBP outdoes SMG2. Entertain me.

And also if you cant see through a character to the actual gameplay then that is your own fault. Funny that you talk up MGS4 and bash Mario considering that Metal Gear more closely resembles its 20+ year old origins than Mario does today.

[QUOTE="gaming25"] I might not have played the SMG games yet, but from what I have seen, the platforming is the most skilled and thoughtout possibly in platforming history.KristoffBrujah

Like I said, to each their own. I gamed with Mario on the original NES. Then the graphics and characters were expanded with the SNES, okay now Mario has all these friends . Then the 64 and Mario 64, now exploration in 3d.

Now I'm an adult and childhood games like Mario are cute for people's kids. I figure they haven't had 15 years of Mario since childhood and this is probably their first Mario experience, okay fine. But seeing adults rave about Mario, now on spheres, is just shocking.

To me, it's one of those things along with American Idol that I just can't explain. If I'm still shooting it out with Nathan Drake and Sully in 20 years, please shoot me.

In my opinion, Little Big Planet outweighs what SMG2 provides for this generation.

MGS4 is amazing in all areas.. thats why it deserves a 10.
Uncharted 2, Assassins Creed 2, Mass Effect, Halo Reach are all up there.

But i dont expect 7yr old gamer to prefer MGS4 over SMG2.
Like someone said.. 20years of Mario, you'd obviously check out what other games are as well, it would be hard not to.

g0ddyX

LBP is a great creation tool. However, it is not a great platformer. It is not a great strategy game. It is not a great pinball game. It is not a great anything in the everything it can be. All the levels I have played were all about the "neat you can do this genre in this game too!" But is it good? err... no.

[QUOTE="gaming25"] I might not have played the SMG games yet, but from what I have seen, the platforming is the most skilled and thoughtout possibly in platforming history.KristoffBrujah

Like I said, to each their own. I gamed with Mario on the original NES. Then the graphics and characters were expanded with the SNES, okay now Mario has all these friends . Then the 64 and Mario 64, now exploration in 3d.

Now I'm an adult and childhood games like Mario are cute for people's kids. I figure they haven't had 15 years of Mario since childhood and this is probably their first Mario experience, okay fine. But seeing adults rave about Mario, now on spheres, is just shocking.

To me, it's one of those things along with American Idol that I just can't explain. If I'm still shooting it out with Nathan Drake and Sully in 20 years, please shoot me.

Wait what? American Idol and Mario? Is this some sort of attack on popular things, because a correlation between those two is far beyond me otherwise. :? :lol:

Being an adult makes no difference. I'm 24 and I'm still playing Sonic and Mario. Granted one fell off the face of the earth, while one continued to be successful, but still, in no way have these games not changed. Even from last gen to now, you can't say playing Sonic Adventure is the same as Colors, or that Sunshine is the same as Galaxy 2. The gameplay is totally different; it's not some shallow cosmetic alteration. If the games are fun, why does it make a difference if the franchise is old?

The platforming in LBP is utter crap. Most anyone in SW will tell you that. Great tools, bad platforming. So you're implying critics, who are usually the first ones to bash the hell out of empty games, the equivalent of "shiny things," are all idiots and that 97 on Metacritic is BS? In any media I'm the first to say I hate empty things. I hate Hollywood blockbusters with a passion, explosions are stupid, Transformers 2 (wow I'm busting out this example a lot today aren't I?) is a horrible movie. Super Mario Galaxy is not in that category. SMG is a very carefully crafted game with tons of innovation. I'm not implying that you don't know someone with a Wii, I'm claiming you haven't played SMG. I know people with PSPs, hell my best friend has one. Doesn't mean I've played God of War: Ghost of Sparta or Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker. The idea that SMG2 is predictable is laughable. Read any review, it'll tell you how many levels with exciting, unexpected bits there are. You're just digging yourself in a deeper hole and proving that you don't know what you're talking about. I've played the Shogun 2 demo. Yes, it's an excellent game and I can't wait to buy it when I have the money (but only after I have Portal 2...). No, I don't think the gameplay is as good as SMG's. It innovates far less than Galaxy does and isn't as polished to boot. Please refrain from posting like an elitist with more cultured opinions than everyone else. Trust me, I have constant urges to do that when I feel like my tastes are for some reason better than the mainstream, particularly with movies and music since I'm a movie/music snob, but it only makes you sound like a jerk. At least have knowledge of the topic at hand if you're going to criticize. Cite specific example. I could say what you're saying about any game, it doesn't make it true. It doesn't even make it a valid opinion until I can back it up. oldkingallant

I think the LBP physics were considered revolutionary at the time. It dominated the AIAS, which awards based on merited achievement. Go look at the past award winners, most are games that seriously impacted thinking about their genres.

Again, it's like someone asking me not to be an elitist when I see those silly fangirl crowds arriving for a Justin Bieber concert. On one hand I can understand difference of opinion as subjective, on the other I can judge innovation and originality. SMG+SMG2 isn't innovative and neither deserved a 10 any more than MGS4 did with its convoluted storyline.

Originality in SMG? Hahaha! Okay, I fired up LBP (I don't even play platformers.) In the first 2 hours I probably remarked "oh wow, this is clever" about a dozen times. Everything seemed new and fresh. Fire up SMG and I felt like nothing outside of spheres was new in this series.

Everyone is waaay defensive over SMG2...

The game was made not to even compete with bigger titles and it can't.
Its just a fun platforming game.

And if your not enjoying LBP2 lets say for example, a 4 player mode online and you play many different levels created by the users themselves..
Then how can you be a platforming fan, or like things that are cute.. and not like Little Big Planet.
Theres so much imagination involved. I can relate aspects of Mario games to little big planet.

As someone said, each to their own. But for long term gamers like me.. I play everything and I am not 'wow'd as much as you are from SMG2.
There are more 'industry game changers' out there.

For the record, Mario 64 > SMG2.. In my opinion.

Not just kids like mario, handful of adults do too.. Call it Nostalgia if you will.
Am still waiting for the ultimate mario game rather than a money making game, maybe on the wii2.

g0ddyX has it nailed, exactly how I feel

[QUOTE="KristoffBrujah"]

[QUOTE="gaming25"] I might not have played the SMG games yet, but from what I have seen, the platforming is the most skilled and thoughtout possibly in platforming history.Renegade_Fury

Like I said, to each their own. I gamed with Mario on the original NES. Then the graphics and characters were expanded with the SNES, okay now Mario has all these friends . Then the 64 and Mario 64, now exploration in 3d.

Now I'm an adult and childhood games like Mario are cute for people's kids. I figure they haven't had 15 years of Mario since childhood and this is probably their first Mario experience, okay fine. But seeing adults rave about Mario, now on spheres, is just shocking.

To me, it's one of those things along with American Idol that I just can't explain. If I'm still shooting it out with Nathan Drake and Sully in 20 years, please shoot me.

Wait what? American Idol and Mario? Is this some sort of attack on popular things, because a correlation between those two is far beyond me otherwise. :? :lol:

Being an adult makes no difference. I'm 24 and I'm still playing Sonic and Mario. Granted one fell off the face of the earth, while one continued to be successful, but still, in no way have these games not changed. Even from last gen to now, you can't say playing Sonic Adventure is the same as Colors, or that Sunshine is the same as Galaxy 2. The gameplay is totally different; it's not some shallow cosmetic alteration. If the games are fun, why does it make a difference if the franchise is old?

This is key to me. You're still playing Sonic despite the fact that the series has essentially died from a creative standpoint. I played Sonic on Genesis and it's one of my favorite games of all time. But again, this is pain tolerance difference between us, I guess.

I can definitely see how you can still play Mario if you can stomach any Sonic in the last 10 years.