Can we officially say that the Disc Swapping argument is dead?

Meh then we should also get over mandatory installs... Neither are a big deal. I mean you install PC games and we hear no complaining, so why PS3? Who Cares?

The real problem with disc swapping is you can easily lose or scratch one disc and the whole game is affected.PandaBear86

I haven't lost or scratched a game disc in years.

In fact, I can't remember the last time I lost or severly damaged a game.

[QUOTE="killzowned24"]Disc swapping sucks. xsubtownerx

It's all fanboys that blow this out of proportion. Neither mandatory installs nor disk swapping is a big deal... So why do we act like it is

The argument is not and never will be dead. Swapping discs will always suck and have a risk of ruining one of the discs and not being able to play the rest of game because of that one disc.Cedmln

Disc swapping is is OK for me.

But if you need to swap the disc just to go back to previous places, now that is too much (yes I'm talking about Star Ocean).

[QUOTE="killzowned24"]Disc swapping sucks. xsubtownerx

MGS4 is bigger then 360s 20 gig hard drive 8)

the pic is awesome because MGS4 mocks 360:)killzowned24

[QUOTE="killzowned24"] the pic is awesome because MGS4 mocks 360:)killerfist

[QUOTE="killzowned24"]the pic is awesome because MGS4 mocks 360:)IronBass

[QUOTE="Cedmln"] The argument is not and never will be dead. Swapping discs will always suck and have a risk of ruining one of the discs and not being able to play the rest of game because of that one disc.IronBass

Hope you know that blu rays have a special coating on them that makes them much much harder to scratch. X box games, not so much; anyone remember the Halo 3 legendary edition games that were scratched out of the box. Look at this statisctically let's say you have a 4 disk game and each disk has a 10% chance of getting scratched and being unplayable; you need all four disks to play the game; you have a 40% chance of having one of the four disks scratched and not being able to play the game all the way through.

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="killzowned24"]the pic is awesome because MGS4 mocks 360:)killzowned24

:lol: that's the first time i've seen that.

jmdude

Me too :oops: What a funny pic! On topic: I don't mind swapping disks if needed, I would rather have the content.

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="Cedmln"] The argument is not and never will be dead. Swapping discs will always suck and have a risk of ruining one of the discs and not being able to play the rest of game because of that one disc.nowhatisthat

Hope you know that blu rays have a special coating on them that makes them much much harder to scratch. X box games, not so much; anyone remember the Halo 3 legendary edition games that were scratched out of the box. Look at this statisctically let's say you have a 4 disk game and each disk has a 10% chance of getting scratched and being unplayable; you need all four disks to play the game; you have a 40% chance of having one of the four disks scratched and not being able to play the game all the way through.

[QUOTE="killerfist"][QUOTE="killzowned24"] the pic is awesome because MGS4 mocks 360:)IronBass

[QUOTE="killzowned24"][QUOTE="IronBass"] The whole scene mocks the disc swaping on the first MGS, nothing more.IronBass

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="Cedmln"] The argument is not and never will be dead. Swapping discs will always suck and have a risk of ruining one of the discs and not being able to play the rest of game because of that one disc.nowhatisthat

Hope you know that blu rays have a special coating on them that makes them much much harder to scratch. X box games, not so much; anyone remember the Halo 3 legendary edition games that were scratched out of the box. Look at this statisctically let's say you have a 4 disk game and each disk has a 10% chance of getting scratched and being unplayable; you need all four disks to play the game; you have a 40% chance of having one of the four disks scratched and not being able to play the game all the way through.

] look at the pic posted by the op..hellokillzowned24

[QUOTE="killzowned24"]] look at the pic posted by the op..helloIronBass

clearly you just dont get it.killzowned24

No, those MGSIV installs are very annoying.

My only problem with disc swapping is when I'm playing an RPG I know about when the game will end. What I mean is if I have an RPG that has 4 discs and I just got through the third disc then put in the fourth disc I know the game/story is approximently 75% done. I know a lot of people don't mind this but this is just how I FEEL about disc swapping.

The arguement never made sense to begin with.

Pwople made it sound like there would only be 5-10 minutes of gameplay on each disc, o they'd have to "constantly get up and switch discs." In reality, if a game needs more than 1 disc, each one is so long that you wouldn't play it in 1 sitting anyway. So what's the big deal if you have to put disc 2 in eventually?

[QUOTE="PandaBear86"][QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

I agree, because if I lose or scratch my 1-disc games, it doesn't affect the whole game at all.

II_Seraphim_II

One argument someone hasn't posted yet is organization. Not everyone puts their games back in the case after their done playing. Imagine leaving all your discs out and trying to find where you left disc 2. Nothing wrong with disc swapping unless they ask to swap the disc in the middle of something important, like a boss fight.

Pfft. Disc Swapping. If that were true we'd still be playing games on CDs rather then DVDs.

Seriously the people who are happy with disc swapping are doing a real disservice to the games industry, we want to go forward not backwards to 1997. All you guys are doing is making excuses for Microsoft, its much better to have a game in one disc then multiple discs, Im not too fond of installations but its better then the constant disc swapping when ever you want to play a game, what if you lose a disc, or its gets scratched, the whole game is ruined. As gamers we pretend to know more about games then devs but truth is games developers do not want to have multiple discs when creating a game, Sony understands this and thats why blu-ray is FTW, devs can create big world and add more content without worrying about disc space. Seriously get with the times, next up we'll be hearing how cartridges are better because they are more durable or whatnot :lol:Swift_Boss_A

Disc swapping isn't constant. Few games require it at all. And for the ones that do, they put a substabtial amount on each disc. More than you would play in one sitting, anyway.

What if you lose a disc for a 1 disc game? It is still equally unplayable

Got a link to show that devs. are that worried?

The real problem with disc swapping is you can easily lose or scratch one disc and the whole game is affected. My disc 2 of Blue Dragon won't load properly despite the fact that it has no scratches and I took good care of it... :(PandaBear86

So if you lose or scratch the MGS4 disc you can´t play the game

Seriously the people who are happy with disc swapping are doing a real disservice to the games industry, we want to go forward not backwards to 1997. All you guys are doing is making excuses for Microsoft, its much better to have a game in one disc then multiple discs, Im not too fond of installations but its better then the constant disc swapping when ever you want to play a game, what if you lose a disc, or its gets scratched, the whole game is ruined. As gamers we pretend to know more about games then devs but truth is games developers do not want to have multiple discs when creating a game, Sony understands this and thats why blu-ray is FTW, devs can create big world and add more content without worrying about disc space. Seriously get with the times, next up we'll be hearing how cartridges are better because they are more durable or whatnot :lol:Swift_Boss_A

All the cows that argued for that point must never have been around during the PS days... thus making them not real cows.

[QUOTE="killzowned24"]Disc swapping sucks. delta3074

This is 2009, not 1997-99. 10 years and we still switching disk.....Like like my blu-ray games!

[QUOTE="Faulttt"]What is a GTA5 Came out, and it was to big for a standard 360 disk? disk swapping would be very hard to implement in sand-box gamesdelta3074

You still need the disk to play the game tho!

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="killzowned24"]Disc swapping sucks. CubanBlunt

This is 2009, not 1997-99. 10 years and we still switching disk.....Like like my blu-ray games!

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="killzowned24"]Disc swapping sucks. killzowned24

It depends really.

For most games its not really needed. Though in games like oblivion GOTY, where you must swap disks to go into the shivering isles, its annoying.

It's true, swapping a disk would have been a lot better than watching Snake have a smoke for 3 minutes after each chapter in MGS4.

It's true, swapping a disk would have been a lot better than watching Snake have a smoke for 3 minutes after each chapter in MGS4.

bethwo

MGS4 is just badly designed. Not saying it's bad game, I love it, but to have around 15 minute installs is ridiculous. So much wasted space, the game only lasts 14 or so hours. Had it been designed on DVDs it would have probably been properly compressed to compensate, and you wouldn't notice a diffrence. This dosn't nessecarily kill the disc swapping argument, what little there is to argue (Takes about 45 seconds to change a disc.), it just tells us that the advantages of Blu Ray are somewhat outweighed by the fact that installs are often required to play games properly. It's hard to tell if the advantages outweight the disadvantages of Blu-Ray on PS3 at this time, but for what it's worth it probably was a waste of resources by Sony seeing as their is so little gain from using Blu-Ray over DVD.

MGS4 is just badly designed. Not saying it's bad game, I love it, but to have around 15 minute installs is ridiculous. So much wasted space, the game only lasts 14 or so hours. Had it been designed on DVDs it would have probably been properly compressed to compensate, and you wouldn't notice a diffrence. This dosn't nessecarily kill the disc swapping argument, what little there is to argue (Takes about 45 seconds to change a disc.), it just tells us that the advantages of Blu Ray are somewhat outweighed by the fact that installs are often required to play games properly. It's hard to tell if the advantages outweight the disadvantages of Blu-Ray on PS3 at this time, but for what it's worth it probably was a waste of resources by Sony seeing as their is so little gain from using Blu-Ray over DVD.

Ek-Andy

The reason for slow-read speeds over DVD is the slower drive, as the PS3 housed the 1st gen of Blu-Ray drives. Nowadays with faster drives, read speeds will be much better, however this still does not help PS3 as you can't change it now. So Blu-Ray does have an advantage over DVD, just not the drive in the PS3.

Also MGS4 did not have 15 minute installS... it had a number of 5-7 minute installs

[QUOTE="Ek-Andy"]

MGS4 is just badly designed. Not saying it's bad game, I love it, but to have around 15 minute installs is ridiculous. So much wasted space, the game only lasts 14 or so hours. Had it been designed on DVDs it would have probably been properly compressed to compensate, and you wouldn't notice a diffrence. This dosn't nessecarily kill the disc swapping argument, what little there is to argue (Takes about 45 seconds to change a disc.), it just tells us that the advantages of Blu Ray are somewhat outweighed by the fact that installs are often required to play games properly. It's hard to tell if the advantages outweight the disadvantages of Blu-Ray on PS3 at this time, but for what it's worth it probably was a waste of resources by Sony seeing as their is so little gain from using Blu-Ray over DVD.

lundy86_4

The reason for slow-read speeds over DVD is the slower drive, as the PS3 housed the 1st gen of Blu-Ray drives. Nowadays with faster drives, read speeds will be much better, however this still does not help PS3 as you can't change it now. So Blu-Ray does have an advantage over DVD, just not the drive in the PS3.

Also MGS4 did not have 15 minute installS... it had a number of 5-7 minute installs

Slight grammar mistake, I meant around a total of 15 minutes.

Yeah, it's a bit of a pain. Chances are they will release a "Premium PS3" with a better drive, but I've already blown 300 or so squid on the one I have, so I think I will stick with that.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="Ek-Andy"]

MGS4 is just badly designed. Not saying it's bad game, I love it, but to have around 15 minute installs is ridiculous. So much wasted space, the game only lasts 14 or so hours. Had it been designed on DVDs it would have probably been properly compressed to compensate, and you wouldn't notice a diffrence. This dosn't nessecarily kill the disc swapping argument, what little there is to argue (Takes about 45 seconds to change a disc.), it just tells us that the advantages of Blu Ray are somewhat outweighed by the fact that installs are often required to play games properly. It's hard to tell if the advantages outweight the disadvantages of Blu-Ray on PS3 at this time, but for what it's worth it probably was a waste of resources by Sony seeing as their is so little gain from using Blu-Ray over DVD.

Ek-Andy

The reason for slow-read speeds over DVD is the slower drive, as the PS3 housed the 1st gen of Blu-Ray drives. Nowadays with faster drives, read speeds will be much better, however this still does not help PS3 as you can't change it now. So Blu-Ray does have an advantage over DVD, just not the drive in the PS3.

Also MGS4 did not have 15 minute installS... it had a number of 5-7 minute installs

Slight grammar mistake, I meant around a total of 15 minutes.

Yeah, it's a bit of a pain. Chances are they will release a "Premium PS3" with a better drive, but I've already blown 300 or so squid on the one I have, so I think I will stick with that.

Sorry, my bad, misunderstood :P I don't think they'll go that way with PS3 as games probably still won't be able to take advantage of it... I just hope it's rectified for next generation, and that the 720 (or whatever) goes Blu-Ray, so that everyone gets the added advantage

Disc swapping is about more than just the inconvenience of having to change discs mid-game. It also increases the costs of production for game developers. This has been cited as a concern by several developers, including but not limited to the developers of Tekken 6 and GTA 5 (Rockstar was concerned they couldn't fit the next GTA game on one DVD-9 disc).