Can we officially say that the Disc Swapping argument is dead?

Disc swapping sucks. killzowned24

[QUOTE="killzowned24"]Disc swapping sucks. tmacscores91

hehe, one of the awesome moments in MGS 4. I also loved Solid Snake's dream sequence.

All I can say is that if disc swapping is any sort of an issue for you, then you must be one really lazy person. The disc swapping argument carries no weight because it takes less than 10 seconds to switch discs.mo0ksi

Pretty lame argument. I could flip it back on you and say if you can't wait 2-3 minutes for loading times in exchange for not swapping discs, then you must be a really impatient person with a short attention span.

As a PC that is use to installing.....NO I am not ok with disk swapping.

BR discs cost more to manufacture than a DVD-9. I think the estimates were 2X the cost of manufacturing an HD-DVD, and 2.5-2.7X the cost of a DVD-9. So, I don't see how an extra DVD-9 disc "significantly" increases manufacturing costs vs. a single BR.

Even if MS is charging for multi-disc games, this obviously isn't a deterent, as multi-disc games have been released. I am sure that for a simultaneous release of a multi-plat, MS would have towave the fee.

BR discs cost more to manufacture than a DVD-9. I think the estimates were 2X the cost of manufacturing an HD-DVD, and 2.5-2.7X the cost of a DVD-9. So, I don't see how an extra DVD-9 disc "significantly" increases manufacturing costs vs. a single BR.

Even if MS is charging for multi-disc games, this obviously isn't a deterent, as multi-disc games have been released. I am sure that for a simultaneous release of a multi-plat, MS would have towave the fee.

WardCleaver02

I don't think it's awful until you get into the 3rd disk, where the royalty costs are substantial (apparently). Also production of Blu-Ray will no doubt have decreased by now, manufacturing processes are continually being refined

I prefer to take care of 1 disc than to take care of 5.

Disc swapping just cheapens the experience.

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BR discs cost more to manufacture than a DVD-9. I think the estimates were 2X the cost of manufacturing an HD-DVD, and 2.5-2.7X the cost of a DVD-9. So, I don't see how an extra DVD-9 disc "significantly" increases manufacturing costs vs. a single BR.

Even if MS is charging for multi-disc games, this obviously isn't a deterent, as multi-disc games have been released. I am sure that for a simultaneous release of a multi-plat, MS would have towave the fee.

lundy86_4

I don't think it's awful until you get into the 3rd disk, where the royalty costs are substantial (apparently). Also production of Blu-Ray will no doubt have decreased by now, manufacturing processes are continually being refined

I would agree that BRmanufacturing cost should have decreased, but so should have DVD-9 costs. Granted, the percentage decrease in cost was probably greater for the BR (as it was much higher to begin with), but any purchasing/cost control person worth their salt is still going to find ways to decrease manufacturing costs, even on something that has been around as long as DVDs.

[QUOTE="mo0ksi"]All I can say is that if disc swapping is any sort of an issue for you, then you must be one really lazy person. The disc swapping argument carries no weight because it takes less than 10 seconds to switch discs.lolfaqs

Pretty lame argument. I could flip it back on you and say if you can't wait 2-3 minutes for loading times in exchange for not swapping discs, then you must be a really impatient person with a short attention span.

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[QUOTE="WardCleaver02"]

BR discs cost more to manufacture than a DVD-9. I think the estimates were 2X the cost of manufacturing an HD-DVD, and 2.5-2.7X the cost of a DVD-9. So, I don't see how an extra DVD-9 disc "significantly" increases manufacturing costs vs. a single BR.

Even if MS is charging for multi-disc games, this obviously isn't a deterent, as multi-disc games have been released. I am sure that for a simultaneous release of a multi-plat, MS would have towave the fee.

WardCleaver02

I don't think it's awful until you get into the 3rd disk, where the royalty costs are substantial (apparently). Also production of Blu-Ray will no doubt have decreased by now, manufacturing processes are continually being refined

I would agree that BRmanufacturing cost should have decreased, but so should have DVD-9 costs. Granted, the percentage decrease in cost was probably greater for the BR (as it was much higher to begin with), but any purchasing/cost control person worth their salt is still going to find ways to decrease manufacturing costs, even on something that has been around as long as DVDs.

Very true... one of the reasons I miss HD-DVD over the features it offered. Originally offering much more than Blu-Ray although I forget the specifics. I personally couldn't care less if I have to disk swap or wait for an install... It's not as if you're gonna sit in all day, go and have a walk, make a sandwich, play with the dog etc

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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

I don't think it's awful until you get into the 3rd disk, where the royalty costs are substantial (apparently). Also production of Blu-Ray will no doubt have decreased by now, manufacturing processes are continually being refined

lundy86_4

I would agree that BRmanufacturing cost should have decreased, but so should have DVD-9 costs. Granted, the percentage decrease in cost was probably greater for the BR (as it was much higher to begin with), but any purchasing/cost control person worth their salt is still going to find ways to decrease manufacturing costs, even on something that has been around as long as DVDs.

Very true... one of the reasons I miss HD-DVD over the features it offered. Originally offering much more than Blu-Ray although I forget the specifics. I personally couldn't care less if I have to disk swap or wait for an install... It's not as if you're gonna sit in all day, go and have a walk, make a sandwich, play with the dog etc

The great thing about HD-DVD "losing" the format war was that you could get movies for some rock-bottom prices. I bought a dozen or so movies off of Amazon for about $100 US. I got the Planet Earth HD-DVD set for about half the price of the Blu-Ray version!

Disc swapping sucks. killzowned24

[QUOTE="killzowned24"]Disc swapping sucks. NinjaMunkey01

Ah beat me too it.

Dunno why people bring it up.

[QUOTE="NinjaMunkey01"][QUOTE="killzowned24"]Disc swapping sucks. BiOZiGzAg

Ah beat me too it.

Dunno why people bring it up.

[QUOTE="NinjaMunkey01"] lol I was pretty suprised no one actually said it before me :lol: Are there no MGS fans here!!!! How can you people call yourself cows!!!! killerfist

Most complaints from players about disk swapping and installs is nothing but bull pucky. Although, developers have to pay a licensing fee per dvd making cost per gigabyte much better when developing a large game for Ps3. Microsofts sercurity features also take off about 2 gigs per dvd. So you have the choice of licencing three disks at 18GB or licnecing one disk at 20-25GB and more if it's dual layered. That is, only if you need three disks but games aren't getting any smaller.

[QUOTE="killerfist"][QUOTE="NinjaMunkey01"] lol I was pretty suprised no one actually said it before me :lol: Are there no MGS fans here!!!! How can you people call yourself cows!!!! IronBass

The real problem with disc swapping is you can easily lose or scratch one disc and the whole game is affected. My disc 2 of Blue Dragon won't load properly despite the fact that it has no scratches and I took good care of it... :(PandaBear86

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[QUOTE="NinjaMunkey01"] Just to clarify this is NOT to bash the 360. if youve played MGS1 cast your mind back to playing the game. i believe at the same sort of point in the map of MGS1 you had to swap disks. Its funny becuase otacon remembers this and thinks snake must do it again, though obviously with blu ray he does not. Its just a joke about the past game. Nothing more, nothing less... Though people who had not played MGS1 took this as an anti 360 thing... its pretty obvious its not I doubt a respectful dev would really do something like that.NinjaMunkey01

Ah beat me too it.

Dunno why people bring it up.

Yeah, that sequence in MGS4 was obviously a reference to the first game. In fact, it takes place at the exact same point in the exact same spot at [spoiler] Shadow Moses. [/spoiler] I think it's the exact same staircase or whatever, that's why it popped up at that specific time and place. I seem to remember one other easter egg that could have been construed as a 360 diss, but I am drawing a blank.

Speaking of developers throwing jabs like that, Ratchet and Clank referenced the 360's failure rate a couple of times, and made a joke about having to pay for online. It was funny and fairly subtle, overall it was in good taste and it brought a smile to my face.

[QUOTE="PandaBear86"]The real problem with disc swapping is you can easily lose or scratch one disc and the whole game is affected. My disc 2 of Blue Dragon won't load properly despite the fact that it has no scratches and I took good care of it... :(Blue-Sky

I agree, because if I lose or scratch my 1-disc games, it doesn't affect the whole game at all.