Can you sheep explain something?

No your fine run along. I was only using hardcore Wii fanboy logic against a certain few to make a point that the Wii way is not the righteous or only good way to game. tomarlyn

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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="tomarlyn"]You insult me by claiming any heart felt point of view I have is a bad assumption by YOUR bendy reasoning.Jandurin

Earth 2?

They like to cancel anything that has promise.

My brother has the whole thing on DVD but I look upon it with distain for some strange reason :? Still watching Space Above And Beyond, thats what I want back :(

off topic FTW :P

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MY bendy reasoning? You're the one with this defined "bendy reasoning". You've taken everything we've said so far and betn it to your will.you've bent and twisted everything we've said until it's the perfect insult against sheep, I'm mearly unbending what you've twisted to begin with.

My offer still stands, do you want me ot paint a pretty picture or do you understand now....

tomarlyn

No your fine run along. I was only using hardcore Wii fanboy logic against a certain few to make a point that the Wii way is not the righteous or only good way to game.

And yet, I still get teh feeling that you're the compelte opposite, the one who believes hard poly counts and HD is the only way to a good game. None the less, I've got to get going soon.

I suggest if you want to use "hardcore wii fanboy" logic against poeple, you wait until your intended targets are there, not unleshing this logic like it's what every sheep listens to. I also suggest you read our post before you post your usual comebacks./

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]

MY bendy reasoning? You're the one with this defined "bendy reasoning". You've taken everything we've said so far and betn it to your will.you've bent and twisted everything we've said until it's the perfect insult against sheep, I'm mearly unbending what you've twisted to begin with.

My offer still stands, do you want me ot paint a pretty picture or do you understand now....

kittykatz5k

No your fine run along. I was only using hardcore Wii fanboy logic against a certain few to make a point that the Wii way is not the righteous or only good way to game.

And yet, I still get teh feeling that you're the compelte opposite, the one who believes hard poly counts and HD is the only way to a good game. None the less, I've got to get going soon.

I suggest if you want to use "hardcore wii fanboy" logic against poeple, you wait until your intended targets are there, not unleshing this logic like it's what every sheep listens to. I also suggest you read our post before you post your usual comebacks./

I didn't know my opinions were even worthy enough of a reputation :o

[QUOTE="TheFlush"][QUOTE="MoldOnHold"]Play TP and RE4 on the GC, and then play them on the Wii. You'll notice a (good) change.mexicangordo

actually you need a console to play games

[QUOTE="mexicangordo"][QUOTE="TheFlush"][QUOTE="MoldOnHold"]Play TP and RE4 on the GC, and then play them on the Wii. You'll notice a (good) change.GunSmith1_basic

Cause Nintendo is gyping people(Mostly Casuals) into thinking that Wiimote and Nunchuck is replacing controllers. I like the wii but it needs some 3rd party support cause first party is sucking it. Look how they screwed up Paper MarioHitamaru-homia

[QUOTE="ganon42"]whats wrong with amazing graphics and good gameplay? Last time i checked, ps3/360's controle scheme wasnt crap? kittykatz5k

Who said anything was wrong with that? We're just saying a game with mediocre gamepaly and massive hd high poly graphics is still a mediocre game.

the same can be said for the wii, motion sensing doesnt make all games godly, a game with medicore gameplay and medicore graphics is still a medicore game despite it having motion sensing. And we aways see sheep (not pointing to you directly, you can be a hedgehog for all i know) claiming the controlle scheme 360/ps3 uses is crap compared to motion sensing.

I'm trying to say that the Wiimote doesnt necessarily improve gameplay. For some games (FPS, sports and puzzle games the most) it can help greatly. But it doesnt improve the gameplay of many other games, and can actually worsen it with tacked on motion sensing.

If the Wii had better graphics, it would be as big of a problem, because graphics can help A LOT. Look at Resident Evil games on the Cube (except for 4). The graphics and atmosphere are excellent, but the gameplay isnt friendly at all, yet people love them still.

Sheep just can't keep on saying Gameplay > Graphics, because the Wiimote doesn't always make the gameplay better.

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[QUOTE="ganon42"]whats wrong with amazing graphics and good gameplay? Last time i checked, ps3/360's controle scheme wasnt crap? ganon42

Who said anything was wrong with that? We're just saying a game with mediocre gamepaly and massive hd high poly graphics is still a mediocre game.

the same can be said for the wii, motion sensing doesnt make all games godly, a game with medicore gameplay and medicore graphics is still a medicore game despite it having motion sensing. And we aways see sheep (not pointing to you directly, you can be a hedgehog for all i know) claiming the controlle scheme 360/ps3 uses is crap compared to motion sensing.

Wiimote doesn't nessessaroly improve games, but when done right, they it can make a game's control a lot more fun. What I'm sick of seeing though is people saying that graphics make a game better every time.

The enemy to gameplay is not the wiimote and graphics, it's bad desine.

[QUOTE="ganon42"][QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]

[QUOTE="ganon42"]whats wrong with amazing graphics and good gameplay? Last time i checked, ps3/360's controle scheme wasnt crap? wii4me

Who said anything was wrong with that? We're just saying a game with mediocre gamepaly and massive hd high poly graphics is still a mediocre game.

the same can be said for the wii, motion sensing doesnt make all games godly, a game with medicore gameplay and medicore graphics is still a medicore game despite it having motion sensing. And we aways see sheep (not pointing to you directly, you can be a hedgehog for all i know) claiming the controlle scheme 360/ps3 uses is crap compared to motion sensing.

so then what would be the point of the wii with out motion sensing (maybe i read what you said wrong but you claimed that some games dont rely heavily on motion sensing on the wii). Wii without motion sensing would just be a last gen console.

wii doesnt really have bad graphics. Just because their technical graphics aren't good, doesnt mean its bad artistically. MP3, SMG and SSBB have perfect graphics imo. Yeah more power could make them look better, but it really wouldn't improve on the atmosphere they are trying to show with the graphics they already have. Silenthps

Yes, if the Wii was more powerful it could improve the atmosphere of all those games.

NOTHING IS BEING ACCOMPLISHED BY MY THREAD!

My point is, the Wii doesn't always improve gameplay. Only when used right can it improve gameplay. Therefore, everytime someone posts a picture of a game that looks godly, sheep can't just say "Gameplay > Graphics" because the Wii doesn't always improve the gameplay of a game!!

Nintendo should have made the Wii more powerful, but they got too greedy. The DS sales would easily sustain them. IGN said that the Nintendo was making over $50 on every Wii sold to retailers. They could have beefed up the Wii, or added in necessary components (DVD/CD playback, 20G hard drive, decent online). It pisses me off that Nintendo pretty much took a beefed up cube, added the Wii functions to it, and called it a day.

BTW, i'm no Wii hater. I have yet to get a next-gen system. This gen has dissapointed me in terms of ALL the consoles released.

I think we all agree that the Wii should have had better graphics. Nintendo got too greedy with the money. They are already make a huge killing on the DS, and according to IGN they make over $50 on every Wii sold to retailers. Some of the games could have looked soo nice :(helium_flash

Not really. i dont mind the graphics. If graphics are all you worry about when looking for a game, that sucks

NOTHING IS BEING ACCOMPLISHED BY MY THREAD!

My point is, the Wii doesn't always improve gameplay. Only when used right can it improve gameplay. Therefore, everytime someone posts a picture of a game that looks godly, sheep can't just say "Gameplay > Graphics" because the Wii doesn't always improve the gameplay of a game!!helium_flash

Just like how wii-mote doesn't always improve gameplay, Power doesn't always improve gameplay either. Both case's only open up possibilities to improve on it. In both cases the effects could be negative or positive.

Im a huge fan of the tony hawk games(if you couldnt tell by my name), and i can easily say that giving the tony hawk games better physics and animations, totally ruined it. Thats just an example of a negative effect to more power incase u didn't believe me.

[QUOTE="helium_flash"]I think we all agree that the Wii should have had better graphics. Nintendo got too greedy with the money. They are already make a huge killing on the DS, and according to IGN they make over $50 on every Wii sold to retailers. Some of the games could have looked soo nice :(Haziqonfire

Not really. i dont mind the graphics. If graphics are all you worry about when looking for a game, that sucks

The Wii give you the motion sensitivity. Everything else it offers can be offered on other consoles (except first, second party titles).

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

[QUOTE="helium_flash"]I think we all agree that the Wii should have had better graphics. Nintendo got too greedy with the money. They are already make a huge killing on the DS, and according to IGN they make over $50 on every Wii sold to retailers. Some of the games could have looked soo nice :(helium_flash

Not really. i dont mind the graphics. If graphics are all you worry about when looking for a game, that sucks

The Wii gives you the motion sensitivity. Everything else it offers can be offered on other consoles (except first, second party titles).

I love how SMG, No More Heroes, FF CC:CB look, visually, they impress me. visually, Metroid Prime 1 impresses me, visually God of war 2 impresses me, GeOW impresses me, etc, etc. Doesnt matter which gen it is, it still impresses me to this day.

Thats exactly the reason why i bought the Wii. The First party games, second party games, and some third party games, plus the motion controls.

I think we all agree that the Wii should have had better graphics. Nintendo got too greedy with the money. They are already make a huge killing on the DS, and according to IGN they make over $50 on every Wii sold to retailers. Some of the games could have looked soo nice :(helium_flash

Yup, wii is overpriced by $50. Cause I recall reading their console was suppose to go for around $200 but they sold it at $250 since launch. I don't mind paying the extra $50 cause I think the wiimote is interesting... but thewii really lacks any games "that I want" at the moment. I will wait till they release some more games that really emphasis the importance of the wiimote before buying. Hopefully by then the Wii would be around $150-$200 since 360 Core price has dropped recently. The wii is just another waitstation right now.

[QUOTE="wii4me"][QUOTE="ganon42"][QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]

[QUOTE="ganon42"]whats wrong with amazing graphics and good gameplay? Last time i checked, ps3/360's controle scheme wasnt crap? ganon42

Who said anything was wrong with that? We're just saying a game with mediocre gamepaly and massive hd high poly graphics is still a mediocre game.

the same can be said for the wii, motion sensing doesnt make all games godly, a game with medicore gameplay and medicore graphics is still a medicore game despite it having motion sensing. And we aways see sheep (not pointing to you directly, you can be a hedgehog for all i know) claiming the controlle scheme 360/ps3 uses is crap compared to motion sensing.

so then what would be the point of the wii with out motion sensing (maybe i read what you said wrong but you claimed that some games dont rely heavily on motion sensing on the wii). Wii without motion sensing would just be a last gen console.

Nintendo fans need to raise their standards. :|helium_flash

If you dont like it, don't buy it. Plenty of people enjoy it and see it as worth the investment.

Your not going to change the way Nintendo operates, and its working for them so more power to them.

Nintendo went in a different direction, not everyone is going to support it, change pisses people off. However, that doesn't mean that theres anything broken with the 360 or PS3, its just going the road everyone expects while the Wii tries something different.

The only reason I can see you really complaining about this is if you only have a Wii. As far as next gen goes, I only have a Wii, but I still have enough games to play on the Wii, PS2, GCN, Xbox, N64, NES, SNES, and what not that I can keep myself busy waiting for the Wii to reach its prime and the 360 to drop in price.

So Wii Sports would have been more fun with crappy controls, with really great graphics?

wat

Now i'm no Wii hater, but how exactly does the Wii improve the gameplay of a game? Gameplay is important, but when the gameplay sucks having good graphics would be really nice.

You make it seem like the Wii's gameplay makes up for it's lack of good graphics.

helium_flash

WHo said it "improves' the gameplay. I've never seen that said.

It makes a game more immersive and allows for new and innovative kinds of gameplay that other consoles couldn't do quite the same way. But I don't think anyone has said that it makes gameplay BETTER than other games with great gameplay.

Nintendo fans need to raise their standards. :|helium_flash

not really. I could care less about uber graphics. Theirs more, theirs art style, the way the game presents itself, etc. I care more about that then graphics.

Nintendo fans need to raise their standards. :|helium_flash

On what? We're playing great games, is that not what being a gamer should be about?

#1 Fresh Expeirence

#2 Supports Small Developers (they use to be the ones that made the games for the gamer in the first place*

#3 Many games control much better

#4 Will soon have the most support

#5 The only system with a fair share amount of quality exclusive Japanese games

Now i'm no Wii hater, but how exactly does the Wii improve the gameplay of a game? Gameplay is important, but when the gameplay sucks having good graphics would be really nice.

You make it seem like the Wii's gameplay makes up for it's lack of good graphics.

helium_flash

When gameplay sucks, the greatest graphics in the world can't save a game. If "Drake of the 99 Dragons" on Xbox had the greatest graphics ever, but the same horrid gameplay, would you still want to play it? I sure wouldn't. The Wii remote and nunchuk is more about immersion. If implemented in the correct ways by developers who make the effort, then it is great. RE4: Wii Edition is definitely the best RE4 version there is. It is no different than the PS2 version except for gameplay. And the gameplay shines. The Wii remote has the potential to outshine traditional controllers...when devs put in effort and actually try.Also, graphicshave never really mattered to most gamers. Sure, there are people who whine and complain about Wii's graphics on this forum. But a majority of folks don't give a damn about graphics. If the portable gaming crowd cared about graphics, then Nintendo handhelds would've never become popular. The most important part of any game is the gameplay.

I'm trying to say that the Wiimote doesnt necessarily improve gameplay. For some games (FPS, sports and puzzle games the most) it can help greatly. But it doesnt improve the gameplay of many other games, and can actually worsen it with tacked on motion sensing.

helium_flash

The same could be said about the 360 and PS3. How can they improve the gameplay of platformers, fighters, JRPG's, 2D games, and shoot-em-ups?

The Wii has already shown promised titles for 2 out of the 5 the 360 and PS3 can't improve.

Immersion and precision. Take Madden for instance. I can't go back to a regular controller after playing 07 for the Wii, it made everything easier and I am able to respond faster with the Wiimote than a regular controller. If Excite Truck didn't have the Wiimote for controls then it'd be a horrible racer. But for an arcade style racer that promotes big jumps the controls add to the frantic game play. Red Steel wasn't horrible to me, after an hour I got used to the controls and using the Wiimote as a gun added more immersion for me. Same for how you threw grenades.

I hope MP3 revolutionizes FPSs on the Wii.

From my experience it just makes things more fun because you're more involved. Games like Excite Truck, that lack tonnes of modes and extras features are given extra value because you are more immersed in the game. Of course this doesn't happen with all games but I will saythat The Godfather, Madden 07 and Scarface didn't interest me on other consoles but when I saw how they were controlled on the Wii I made sure I got them as soon as possible.

And when it comes to graphics, The Wii remote makes up for the lack of power more than power making up for the lack of good gameplay

I think we all agree that the Wii should have had better graphics. Nintendo got too greedy with the money. They are already make a huge killing on the DS, and according to IGN they make over $50 on every Wii sold to retailers. Some of the games could have looked soo nice :(helium_flash

But upping the graphics might have put it out of the reach of casuals (meaning the price they are willing to pay). You should know that if you are a "paid analyst..."

Nintendo isn't out to lose money and they decided to make their profit straight out of the chute. Sony and MSFT went about it all wrong and must rely on 3rd party games to to make a profit.

I think we all agree that the Wii should have had better graphics.

helium_flash

You just don't get it do you? The whole point of the Wii is to deliver fresh expeirences by devs expressing themselves and taking risks. However forcing them to use more tech like graphics and what not makes game development costs MUCH more expensive for small developers and medium developers having them take less risks or fear of even starting their own studio.

[QUOTE="helium_flash"]Nintendo fans need to raise their standards. :|Haziqonfire

not really. I could care less about uber graphics. Theirs more, theirs art style, the way the game presents itself, etc. I care more about that then graphics.

I"m not only talking about graphics. I'm talking about everything. Online, features, price, graphics, ect. The whole package, not just graphics.

It would make buying the console so much easier.

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

[QUOTE="helium_flash"]Nintendo fans need to raise their standards. :|helium_flash

not really. I could care less about uber graphics. Theirs more, theirs art style, the way the game presents itself, etc. I care more about that then graphics.

I"m not only talking about graphics. I'm talking about everything. Online, features, price, graphics, ect. The whole package, not just graphics.

It would make buying the console so much easier.

That would make the purpose of the Wii's new expreience and development risk takings go COMPLETELY down the pooper due to development costs.

[QUOTE="helium_flash"]I think we all agree that the Wii should have had better graphics.

Gunraidan

You just don't get it do you? The whole point of the Wii is to deliver fresh expeirences by devs expressing themselves and taking risks. However forcing them to use more tech like graphics and what not makes game development costs MUCH more expensive for small developers and medium developers having them take less risks or fear of even starting their own studio.

Last time i checked the point of the Wii was to expand the industry and spread gaming to non-gamers. You know... simplify the controls so non-gamers won't be scared.

And having more power doesn't necessarily mean harder development. Nor did i ever say that i'm asking for 360 levels of graphics. Just... BETTER THAN THE GAMECUBE level of graphics.

Now i'm no Wii hater, but how exactly does the Wii improve the gameplay of a game? Gameplay is important, but when the gameplay sucks having good graphics would be really nice.

You make it seem like the Wii's gameplay makes up for it's lack of good graphics.

helium_flash

IT DOES. play resident evil 4 on ps2, then play it on wii with the wiimote controls. Observe your ignorance vanish.

[QUOTE="Gunraidan"]

[QUOTE="helium_flash"]I think we all agree that the Wii should have had better graphics.

helium_flash

You just don't get it do you? The whole point of the Wii is to deliver fresh expeirences by devs expressing themselves and taking risks. However forcing them to use more tech like graphics and what not makes game development costs MUCH more expensive for small developers and medium developers having them take less risks or fear of even starting their own studio.

Last time i checked the point of the Wii was to expand the industry and spread gaming to non-gamers. You know... simplify the controls so non-gamers won't be scared.

And having more power doesn't necessarily mean harder development. Nor did i ever say that i'm asking for 360 levels of graphics. Just... BETTER THAN THE GAMECUBE level of graphics.

Well hold your horses, play sonic wii or any of the upcoming big three, and you will see that the xbox1 couldn't do that either, definately not the gamecube.

Don't give me screenshots, give me a game with the scale of sonics levels for example, the levels are huge yet run silky smooth, look good and never load.

Then you got mario galaxy which is undoable on previous consoles, and you got metroid prime 3 which does look better than games like halo 2 on xbox, etc.

You just need to go out and play some wii games dude.

[QUOTE="Gunraidan"]

[QUOTE="helium_flash"]I think we all agree that the Wii should have had better graphics.

helium_flash

You just don't get it do you? The whole point of the Wii is to deliver fresh expeirences by devs expressing themselves and taking risks. However forcing them to use more tech like graphics and what not makes game development costs MUCH more expensive for small developers and medium developers having them take less risks or fear of even starting their own studio.

Last time i checked the point of the Wii was to expand the industry and spread gaming to non-gamers. You know... simplify the controls so non-gamers won't be scared.

And having more power doesn't necessarily mean harder development. Nor did i ever say that i'm asking for 360 levels of graphics. Just... BETTER THAN THE GAMECUBE level of graphics.

Clearly you have a short attention span, Nintendo has been talkinga bout how the Wii bring fresh expreinces and new ideas, look at Deweys Adventure, Zack and Wiki, and No More Heroes, can't find that on the 360 or PS3 for retail.

go play mp3 when it is realeased.amorbis1001

Honestly MP3 is just gonna be MP1 and MP2 from the GC but with the Wiimote.

Just look at Zelda TP. A GC port with Wii remote functions tacked on.