Can't the PS3 do a lot of the Wii U's features when synced to a PSVita?

Sony will have yet another thing to copy Nintendo with.

Nintendonly

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

I have to buy a 250 dollar system to get features out of a 300 dollar system? I'm sure the connectivity will be cool and I wanna see it but . . . no, one system to another doesn't do it for me.

PoindeJ

Yeah, that's the only problem. It'd be great for existing PS3 owners who already planned on buying Vita, though. It would basically be a feature of a peripheral, though - and we all know how those work out.

[QUOTE="Nintendonly"]

Sony will have yet another thing to copy Nintendo with.

Zaibach

SEGA might of been first with the Gamegear and Genesis or Genesis and Nomad I think they could have where you can play the save file from the Genesis on the Nomad or Gamegear but if I'm not mistaken the Nomad played Genesis cartridges.

[QUOTE="Nintendonly"]

Sony will have yet another thing to copy Nintendo with.

Zaibach

Technically speaking, Ninty did with the GC/GBA. Four Swords and Crystal Chronicles come to mind.

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

[QUOTE="Nintendonly"]

Sony will have yet another thing to copy Nintendo with.

ShuichiChamp24

Technically speaking, Ninty did with the GC/GBA. Four Swords and Crystal Chronicles come to mind.

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]

[QUOTE="Nintendonly"]

Sony will have yet another thing to copy Nintendo with.

ShuichiChamp24

Technically speaking, Ninty did with the GC/GBA. Four Swords and Crystal Chronicles come to mind.

It's possible.

But that is wishful thinking from Sony fanboys. Utilising Vita as a Wii U controller wouldn't get much support from 3rd parties because you need both systems, smaller demographic, and some people even with both PS3 and Vita just won't use it. In all it will just be a feature PS3 games COULD have.

Wii U games will utilise any functionality to it's fullest because the system is built around that.

[QUOTE="ShuichiChamp24"]

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]technically sony did it first with the psp- ps3 connectivity, contrary to popular belief nintendo doesnt invent everything

rasengan2552

Technically speaking, Ninty did with the GC/GBA. Four Swords and Crystal Chronicles come to mind.

[QUOTE="ShuichiChamp24"]

[QUOTE="Zaibach"]technically sony did it first with the psp- ps3 connectivity, contrary to popular belief nintendo doesnt invent everything

rasengan2552

Technically speaking, Ninty did with the GC/GBA. Four Swords and Crystal Chronicles come to mind.

Really? I don't remember the Wii having a camera.

[QUOTE="rasengan2552"][QUOTE="ShuichiChamp24"]

Technically speaking, Ninty did with the GC/GBA. Four Swords and Crystal Chronicles come to mind.

Nintendo_Ownes7

Wasn't the power glove motion base too?

[QUOTE="rasengan2552"][QUOTE="ShuichiChamp24"]

Technically speaking, Ninty did with the GC/GBA. Four Swords and Crystal Chronicles come to mind.

ShuichiChamp24

Really? I don't remember the Wii having a camera.

[QUOTE="ShuichiChamp24"]

[QUOTE="rasengan2552"] well Sony introduced the Eye Toy and a gen later Nintendo incorporated the camera-motion control feature in the Wii ... its a vicious cycle..rasengan2552

Really? I don't remember the Wii having a camera.

Yeah but it would make it a $250 accessory to a console i doubt you will see much support at all in games to utilize it the same way the WiiU controller which will be included with the system. The psv will almost certainly have remote play where you play ps3 games on the psv as that was already on the psp for certian ps3 games.DJ_Headshot

[QUOTE="rasengan2552"][QUOTE="ShuichiChamp24"]

Really? I don't remember the Wii having a camera.MFDOOM1983

Sony will do it, and I hope they do. PS3 + Vita combo makes sense with Wii-U type functionality... heck, those two machines would probably end up being more capable.

The only problem is, PS3 + Vita is expensive. We don't know Wii-U's price yet, but we'll see how pricing will effect everything.

The big 3 always copy each other... it's really not an issue anymore.

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"][QUOTE="rasengan2552"] what do you think is tracking the Wiimotes movements ? a fairy ?rasengan2552

[QUOTE="DJ_Headshot"]Yeah but it would make it a $250 accessory to a console i doubt you will see much support at all in games to utilize it the same way the WiiU controller which will be included with the system. The psv will almost certainly have remote play where you play ps3 games on the psv as that was already on the psp for certian ps3 games.jsh020

Sony can easily copy this idea and nulify the WiiU before it even releases ... but I doubt they will. We'll see.

rasengan2552

[QUOTE="jsh020"][QUOTE="DJ_Headshot"]Yeah but it would make it a $250 accessory to a console i doubt you will see much support at all in games to utilize it the same way the WiiU controller which will be included with the system. The psv will almost certainly have remote play where you play ps3 games on the psv as that was already on the psp for certian ps3 games.bluelf

How would 2 player games work on a Wii U? You'd need to buy two of those screen controllers?

[QUOTE="bluelf"][QUOTE="jsh020"]the esitimated price for the wii u 9s 500$, ts more expensive then buying a ngp and ps3 togetherleadernator

How would 2 player games work on a Wii U? You'd need to buy two of those screen controllers?

Vita support will never be a standard for games on PS3, developers just won't utilize it, same reason why Move will never truly overtake the Wiimote.meetroid8

To me, the point is more, if third party developers are already doing it for WiiU, they might as well include it for a ps3-psv experience too, if developing for it is simple enough. Sort of how they develop games to be Move compatible, not required. The only ones that would stick to one console would be first party devs.

[QUOTE="DJ_Headshot"]Yeah but it would make it a $250 accessory to a console i doubt you will see much support at all in games to utilize it the same way the WiiU controller which will be included with the system. The psv will almost certainly have remote play where you play ps3 games on the psv as that was already on the psp for certian ps3 games.Timstuff

Price and attach rates are 100% relevant here. Do you think that 3rd party games will add tons of vita connectivity features are a selling point when most Ps3 users do not have a vita and will not for years? I really do not think so.

Why people fail to see this is FAR beyond me.

what do you think is tracking the Wiimotes movements ? a fairy ?rasengan2552

oh dear

First of all, The "Movements" i.e. the motion is detected by the motion sensor. There is one inside the Wiimote, and another inside the nunchuck.

As for the pointer, it sends out IR waves that are invisible for us, and the sensor bar recieves them and calculates how you moved it based on the information it gets.

There's no camera involved. It doesn't actually track the position of your Wiimote or something, it just recieves a different type of light.

Edit: maybe it's actually the other way around. Sensor bar emits and the Wiimote recieves.

[QUOTE="PoindeJ"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

I have to buy a 250 dollar system to get features out of a 300 dollar system? I'm sure the connectivity will be cool and I wanna see it but . . . no, one system to another doesn't do it for me.

MrSelf-Destruct

Yeah, that's the only problem. It'd be great for existing PS3 owners who already planned on buying Vita, though. It would basically be a feature of a peripheral, though - and we all know how those work out.

That's the difference though - if PS3-PSV connectivity is only for "optional game enhancements", then it will not have nearly the same impact as the Wii U controller will. It's hard to change gaming with an optional peripheral; there are dozens of examples.

That's what people don't seem to realize, it isn't about the features of the console that attracts nintendo fans to their consoles. It's always about the excellent first party titles. The PS3/vita connection could have everything under the sun when it comes to features and i STILL wouldn't buy it, because the games don't interest me. No ammount of features/power will make me walk away from Zelda/Mario/Smash etc.

That's what people don't seem to realize, it isn't about the features of the console that attracts nintendo fans to their consoles. It's always about the excellent first party titles. The PS3/vita connection could have everything under the sun when it comes to features and i STILL wouldn't buy it, because the games don't interest me. No ammount of features/power will make me walk away from Zelda/Mario/Smash etc.

smashed_pinata

And what you dont realize is that there is many people who doesnt care about Mario/Zelda/smash I owned a DS becaus it had other great games from other devs than nintendo not for Mario and Zelda.

[QUOTE="zaney"]

This is old hat. PS3 did this in 2007 and it failed miserably for them. You could stream lair directly to the PSP from your PS3. It failed because the controls sucked. Don't take my word for it. http://www.joystiq.com/2007/09/03/play-lair-on-psp-with-remote-play/

rasengan2552

[QUOTE="zaney"]

This is old hat. PS3 did this in 2007 and it failed miserably for them. You could stream lair directly to the PSP from your PS3. It failed because the controls sucked. Don't take my word for it. http://www.joystiq.com/2007/09/03/play-lair-on-psp-with-remote-play/

Timstuff

The remote play on the PSP only utilized the PSP for the screen and the contols. So you could use the VITA for the purpose of streaming the game to it like the WII U. I don't see why they couldn't use it for different game functions. They probably won't do it, because all this requires a home wifi network that isn't sold with the PS3. There probably won't be a large enough fan base to make this venture worth doing for Sony or game developers. I'm sure whatever Nintendo is using for the streaming is better than WIFI.

[QUOTE="rasengan2552"][QUOTE="zaney"]

This is old hat. PS3 did this in 2007 and it failed miserably for them. You could stream lair directly to the PSP from your PS3. It failed because the controls sucked. Don't take my word for it. http://www.joystiq.com/2007/09/03/play-lair-on-psp-with-remote-play/

Dilrod

I wasn't posting the earlier stuff about remote play because I thought the PSP was a failure. The game Lair sucked and that was the issue with the controls on it. The controls on Lair were bad on the PS3, and even worse on the PSP.

[QUOTE="smashed_pinata"]

That's what people don't seem to realize, it isn't about the features of the console that attracts nintendo fans to their consoles. It's always about the excellent first party titles. The PS3/vita connection could have everything under the sun when it comes to features and i STILL wouldn't buy it, because the games don't interest me. No ammount of features/power will make me walk away from Zelda/Mario/Smash etc.

Kashiwaba

And what you dont realize is that there is many people who doesnt care about Mario/Zelda/smash I owned a DS becaus it had other great games from other devs than nintendo not for Mario and Zelda.

I never said there wasn't. The TC was implying that if the Vita/PS3 hookup can do a lot of wiiu features it would render it obsolete, which it WON'T.

[QUOTE="rasengan2552"] what do you think is tracking the Wiimotes movements ? a fairy ?SuperFlakeman

oh dear

First of all, The "Movements" i.e. the motion is detected by the motion sensor. There is one inside the Wiimote, and another inside the nunchuck.

As for the pointer, it sends out IR waves that are invisible for us, and the sensor bar recieves them and calculates how you moved it based on the information it gets.

There's no camera involved. It doesn't actually track the position of your Wiimote or something, it just recieves a different type of light.

Edit: maybe it's actually the other way around. Sensor bar emits and the Wiimote recieves.

oh so the PS3 GPU has multi-display capabilities now?

if not, then NO, this setup can NOT replicate what the wii U + controller can do.

[QUOTE="Timstuff"][QUOTE="zaney"]

This is old hat. PS3 did this in 2007 and it failed miserably for them. You could stream lair directly to the PSP from your PS3. It failed because the controls sucked. Don't take my word for it. http://www.joystiq.com/2007/09/03/play-lair-on-psp-with-remote-play/

zaney

The remote play on the PSP only utilized the PSP for the screen and the contols. So you could use the VITA for the purpose of streaming the game to it like the WII U. I don't see why they couldn't use it for different game functions. They probably won't do it, because all this requires a home wifi network that isn't sold with the PS3. There probably won't be a large enough fan base to make this venture worth doing for Sony or game developers. I'm sure whatever Nintendo is using for the streaming is better than WIFI.

oh so the PS3 GPU has multi-display capabilities now?

if not, then NO, this setup can NOT replicate what the wii U can do.

JB730

[QUOTE="JB730"]

oh so the PS3 GPU has multi-display capabilities now?

if not, then NO, this setup can NOT replicate what the wii U can do.

Timstuff

just answer the question. explain how the PS3 + vita can display PS3-level graphics simultaneously without multi-display functionality.

[QUOTE="Timstuff"][QUOTE="JB730"]

oh so the PS3 GPU has multi-display capabilities now?

if not, then NO, this setup can NOT replicate what the wii U can do.

JB730

just answer the question. explain how the PS3 + vita can display PS3-level graphics simultaneously without multi-display functionality.

If sony actually did this... Would it be a dick move or a boss one?

aGOODdude

[QUOTE="JB730"]

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]I have a feeling that you know a lot less about how game systems work than you are trying to project.Timstuff

just answer the question. explain how the PS3 + vita can display PS3-level graphics simultaneously without multi-display functionality.

its been showed in demos many times already.

and the wii U HD GPU has multi-display functionality. this technically allows the the console's GPU to stream its display to the controller simultaneously with the TV display.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AMD-and-Nintendo-Join-Forces-iw-4227301691.html?x=0&.v=1

you even mentioned this functionality (streaming console graphics to the controller) in your very first post.

try knowing what you are talking about before posting. it helps.

[QUOTE="Timstuff"][QUOTE="JB730"]

just answer the question. explain how the PS3 + vita can display PS3-level graphics simultaneously without multi-display functionality.

JB730

its been showed in demos many times already.

and the wii U HD GPU has multi-display functionality. this technically allows the the console's GPU to stream HD graphics display to the controller simultaneously with the TV display.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AMD-and-Nintendo-Join-Forces-iw-4227301691.html?x=0&.v=1

you even mentioned this functionality (streaming console graphics to the controller) in your very first post.

try knowing what you are talking about before posting. it helps.

Does this answer your question?

Video

You need 3 PS3s for this but I assume since PSV got its own CPU and GPU it can replace one PS3 So I dont think that PS3 needs a GPU with multi display functionality.

[QUOTE="JB730"]

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]Do you know for a fact that the Wii U can display Wii U-quality graphics on the TV and screen simultaneously? If not, than this point is moot.Kashiwaba

its been showed in demos many times already.

and the wii U HD GPU has multi-display functionality. this technically allows the the console's GPU to stream HD graphics display to the controller simultaneously with the TV display.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AMD-and-Nintendo-Join-Forces-iw-4227301691.html?x=0&.v=1

you even mentioned this functionality (streaming console graphics to the controller) in your very first post.

try knowing what you are talking about before posting. it helps.

Does this answer your question?

Video

sigh, that's using THREE PS3's + THEE copies of GT5 - stated directly in the youtube comments below

so yeah, it does answer my question :D

[QUOTE="Kashiwaba"]

[QUOTE="JB730"]

its been showed in demos many times already.

and the wii U HD GPU has multi-display functionality. this technically allows the the console's GPU to stream HD graphics display to the controller simultaneously with the TV display.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AMD-and-Nintendo-Join-Forces-iw-4227301691.html?x=0&.v=1

you even mentioned this functionality (streaming console graphics to the controller) in your very first post.

try knowing what you are talking about before posting. it helps.

JB730

Does this answer your question?

Video

sigh, that's using THREE PS3's + THEE copies of GT5 - stated directly in the youtube comments below

so yeah, it does answer my question :D

Read what i said above after edit.

[QUOTE="JB730"]

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]Do you know for a fact that the Wii U can display Wii U-quality graphics on the TV and screen simultaneously? If not, than this point is moot.Kashiwaba

its been showed in demos many times already.

and the wii U HD GPU has multi-display functionality. this technically allows the the console's GPU to stream HD graphics display to the controller simultaneously with the TV display.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AMD-and-Nintendo-Join-Forces-iw-4227301691.html?x=0&.v=1

you even mentioned this functionality (streaming console graphics to the controller) in your very first post.

try knowing what you are talking about before posting. it helps.

Does this answer your question?

Video

You need 3 PS3s for this but I assume since PSV got its own CPU and GPU it can replace one PS3 So I dont think that PS3 needs a GPU with multi display functionality.

so the comment was displaying PS3-level graphics on both displays. sure, you can have downgraded graphics on your vita simultaneously with your PS3.

i hope sony does it too, seriously i think it's a great idea from nintendo

[QUOTE="JB730"]

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]I have a feeling that you know a lot less about how game systems work than you are trying to project.Timstuff

just answer the question. explain how the PS3 + vita can display PS3-level graphics simultaneously without multi-display functionality.

the PS3 + vita will be a downgraded experience when compared to wii u's, simply because you can not output PS3-level graphics to your vita simultaneously with your TV display.

one example of how this is useful is using your wii u controller as a sniper scope. on the controller screen, you can see the exact same graphics quality as shown on your tv, except with a private sniper scope. makes the scope seemless when shown over your tv screen. this can't be done on vita, because the graphics quality will be downgraded significantly on vita when compared to your tv screen.