PS3 can output in 3D, which is essentially outputting to two displays (one image for each eye). The only question is if the bluetooth connection has enough bandwidth to stream video, and how much processing power it would take for the Vita to decode that information. In that aspect though, the Vita is quite a bit beefier than the Wii U's controller so I doubt that would be a problem. I highly doubt Nintendo has some super-secret wireless technology that no-one else knows about, either. This is something that could be added via a simple firmware update for both systems, and it would be no more taxing on the PS3's GPU than outputting in 3D.
Can't the PS3 do a lot of the Wii U's features when synced to a PSVita?
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I have a feeling that you know a lot less about how game systems work than you are trying to project.[QUOTE="Timstuff"][QUOTE="JB730"]
oh so the PS3 GPU has multi-display capabilities now?
if not, then NO, this setup can NOT replicate what the wii U can do.
JB730
just answer the question. explain how the PS3 + vita can display PS3-level graphics simultaneously without multi-display functionality.
If the PS3's GPU is capable of showing games in 3D (essentially two images at once) then there's no reason it couldn't stream to something else as well. Its all a matter of the firmware being updated.
There where a lot these kind of ideas going on even before the Wii-U was announced and even before the PSP2 was announced,
- PSP Remote Play
- PS3 movie streaming to PSP
- Dreamy Theater on PS3 for PSP title Project Diva
- Ad-hoc Party
- Cloud Saving
- Transfarr cross saving with Kojima developed titles
- Ruin cloud saving for resuming on PS3
- Wipeout 2048 with cross ps3 multi-play
- Modnation Racers (working title) and LBP will allow past PS3 user genarted conent (levels, mods, etc) to work on the PS Vita versions
There will be many more ways for the PS Vita and PS3 to interact in the future. These are just the first generation cross device ideas coming into play. With the PS Vitas technology, the Playstation Network infrastructure and, future software/hardware inovations there will be many more ways to interact. On of the more recent ideas was actually a patent was recently puposed by Sony for replacing the PS Move with the PS Vita.
If the Wii-U = $350-$400 for the console, and Iwata's statement is true that you cannot buy the controlller seperately from the system, then in essence the Wii U controller costs $100-200 depending on the manufacturing cost ratios. The Wii U controller ain't cheap, and however much it costs, Nintendo does not want to put a pricetag on it other than what it costs to buy the entire Wii U system with the controller. It all comes down to the fact that you can either buy a Vita and use it with the PS3 you already have, or you have to buy the entire Wii U system for a lot more, so price is not really that relevant here.[QUOTE="Timstuff"][QUOTE="DJ_Headshot"]Yeah but it would make it a $250 accessory to a console i doubt you will see much support at all in games to utilize it the same way the WiiU controller which will be included with the system. The psv will almost certainly have remote play where you play ps3 games on the psv as that was already on the psp for certian ps3 games.ShuichiChamp24
Iwata never made that statement. Not only that, but Ninty did state they are looking into making it use two controls.
Anyway, so I have to buy two seperate systems to do what one does. Not only that, but don't you have to gey both game one for ps3 and another for vita? Or does it stream the game straight to it like the WiiU?
You can actually stream PS1 games from you're PS3 to you're PSP right now;)
Some times I think sheep are giving Nintendo a little to much credit:P
No doubt Sony has big plans for the PSV connecting with PS3. Only question on my mind is if they are going to make a push for it on a scale at least comparable to the move, because the sky is the limit if they can actually set it up so that the system works as a PS3 controller the way the Wii U's controller works.There where a lot these kind of ideas going on even before the Wii-U was announced and even before the PSP2 was announced,
- PSP Remote Play
- PS3 movie streaming to PSP
- Dreamy Theater on PS3 for PSP title Project Diva
- Ad-hoc Party
- Cloud Saving
- Transfarr cross saving with Kojima developed titles
- Ruin cloud saving for resuming on PS3
- Wipeout 2048 with cross ps3 multi-play
- Modnation Racers (working title) and LBP will allow past PS3 user genarted conent (levels, mods, etc) to work on the PS Vita versions
There will be many more ways for the PS Vita and PS3 to interact in the future. These are just the first generation cross device ideas coming into play. With the PS Vitas technology, the Playstation Network infrastructure and, future software/hardware inovations there will be many more ways to interact. On of the more recent ideas was actually a patent was recently puposed by Sony for replacing the PS Move with the PS Vita.
wakefulness
PS3 can output in 3D, which is essentially outputting to two displays (one image for each eye). The only question is if the bluetooth connection has enough bandwidth to stream video, and how much processing power it would take for the Vita to decode that information. In that aspect though, the Vita is quite a bit beefier than the Wii U's controller so I doubt that would be a problem. I highly doubt Nintendo has some super-secret wireless technology that no-one else knows about, either. This is something that could be added via a simple firmware update for both systems, and it would be no more taxing on the PS3's GPU than outputting in 3D.
Timstuff
that is outputting two offset images at the same time to the same single display output.
that is different from outputting images (however many images) to multiple display outputs simultaneosly. it is NOT just a software feature that can be solved with a firmware update lol, its a hardware feature that the PS3 does not have.
if the PS3 could do it, it would do it. gamers would love to have multi-display, as evident with GT5's multi-display update feature that allows you to have multi-display....but ONLY if you use multiple PS3s!
[QUOTE="Timstuff"]
PS3 can output in 3D, which is essentially outputting to two displays (one image for each eye). The only question is if the bluetooth connection has enough bandwidth to stream video, and how much processing power it would take for the Vita to decode that information. In that aspect though, the Vita is quite a bit beefier than the Wii U's controller so I doubt that would be a problem. I highly doubt Nintendo has some super-secret wireless technology that no-one else knows about, either. This is something that could be added via a simple firmware update for both systems, and it would be no more taxing on the PS3's GPU than outputting in 3D.
JB730
that is outputting two offset images at the same time to the same single display output.
that is different from outputting images (however many images) to multiple display outputs simultaneosly. itss NOT just a software feature that acn be solved with a firmware update lol, its a hardware feature that the PS3 does not have.
if the PS3 could do it, it would do it. gamers would love to have multi-display, as evident with GT5's multi-display update feautre that allows you to have multi-display....but ONLY if you use multiple PS3s!
Again You can stream PS1 games from you're PS3 to you're PSP right now:) (and it is a video stream)
[QUOTE="JB730"]
[QUOTE="Timstuff"]
PS3 can output in 3D, which is essentially outputting to two displays (one image for each eye). The only question is if the bluetooth connection has enough bandwidth to stream video, and how much processing power it would take for the Vita to decode that information. In that aspect though, the Vita is quite a bit beefier than the Wii U's controller so I doubt that would be a problem. I highly doubt Nintendo has some super-secret wireless technology that no-one else knows about, either. This is something that could be added via a simple firmware update for both systems, and it would be no more taxing on the PS3's GPU than outputting in 3D.
tumle
that is outputting two offset images at the same time to the same single display output.
that is different from outputting images (however many images) to multiple display outputs simultaneosly. itss NOT just a software feature that acn be solved with a firmware update lol, its a hardware feature that the PS3 does not have.
if the PS3 could do it, it would do it. gamers would love to have multi-display, as evident with GT5's multi-display update feautre that allows you to have multi-display....but ONLY if you use multiple PS3s!
Again You can stream PS1 games from you're PS3 to you're PSP right now:) (and it is a video stream)
sigh. why PS1 games only now? why not PS3 calibre games to your PSP simultaneously while your PS3 is playing on the TV (which is what we are talking about here)?
i gotta start letting you guys come to your own conclusions.
[QUOTE="wakefulness"]No doubt Sony has big plans for the PSV connecting with PS3. Only question on my mind is if they are going to make a push for it on a scale at least comparable to the move, because the sky is the limit if they can actually set it up so that the system works as a PS3 controller the way the Wii U's controller works.There where a lot these kind of ideas going on even before the Wii-U was announced and even before the PSP2 was announced,
- PSP Remote Play
- PS3 movie streaming to PSP
- Dreamy Theater on PS3 for PSP title Project Diva
- Ad-hoc Party
- Cloud Saving
- Transfarr cross saving with Kojima developed titles
- Ruin cloud saving for resuming on PS3
- Wipeout 2048 with cross ps3 multi-play
- Modnation Racers (working title) and LBP will allow past PS3 user genarted conent (levels, mods, etc) to work on the PS Vita versions
There will be many more ways for the PS Vita and PS3 to interact in the future. These are just the first generation cross device ideas coming into play. With the PS Vitas technology, the Playstation Network infrastructure and, future software/hardware inovations there will be many more ways to interact. On of the more recent ideas was actually a patent was recently puposed by Sony for replacing the PS Move with the PS Vita.
Timstuff
Do you mean marketing wise? Well, they currently are doing things such as the PSP remaaster series in Japan. In the future, there might be PS3 and PS Vita bundles with maybe a version of Modnation however, it would need to be tested in Japan first.
Other things will come from the developers and Sony will likely give more and more power to the developers as the PS3 would be leaving its current genration and the PS Vita was actually built with developers in mind in the first place. It would not come as a surprise to see even more things like PS Suite and Mini titles streamed anywhere in the world from a remotely accessed PS3 to a PS Vita (or vica-versa). Then there is actually having the PS Vita working live as a sub-window for things like a HUD on a Metal Gear Rising title, etc. Again, all these things are up to the developers like Hideo Kojima to decide.
[QUOTE="JB730"]
[QUOTE="Timstuff"]
PS3 can output in 3D, which is essentially outputting to two displays (one image for each eye). The only question is if the bluetooth connection has enough bandwidth to stream video, and how much processing power it would take for the Vita to decode that information. In that aspect though, the Vita is quite a bit beefier than the Wii U's controller so I doubt that would be a problem. I highly doubt Nintendo has some super-secret wireless technology that no-one else knows about, either. This is something that could be added via a simple firmware update for both systems, and it would be no more taxing on the PS3's GPU than outputting in 3D.
tumle
that is outputting two offset images at the same time to the same single display output.
that is different from outputting images (however many images) to multiple display outputs simultaneosly. itss NOT just a software feature that acn be solved with a firmware update lol, its a hardware feature that the PS3 does not have.
if the PS3 could do it, it would do it. gamers would love to have multi-display, as evident with GT5's multi-display update feautre that allows you to have multi-display....but ONLY if you use multiple PS3s!
Again You can stream PS1 games from you're PS3 to you're PSP right now:) (and it is a video stream)
I don't i've ever seen that or used it myself, then again I haven't used my ps3 in a long while. Is it able to have both systems display the game at the same time?
Anyway, the WiiU can not only display the image on the screen but can only show something completely different than what is in the screen.
Again You can stream PS1 games from you're PS3 to you're PSP right now:) (and it is a video stream)
tumle
Really? Whoa, I never realized that. Is it like how movies ae streamed from the PS3 to PSP?
[QUOTE="Timstuff"]
PS3 can output in 3D, which is essentially outputting to two displays (one image for each eye). The only question is if the bluetooth connection has enough bandwidth to stream video, and how much processing power it would take for the Vita to decode that information. In that aspect though, the Vita is quite a bit beefier than the Wii U's controller so I doubt that would be a problem. I highly doubt Nintendo has some super-secret wireless technology that no-one else knows about, either. This is something that could be added via a simple firmware update for both systems, and it would be no more taxing on the PS3's GPU than outputting in 3D.
JB730
that is outputting two offset images at the same time to the same single display output.
that is different from outputting images (however many images) to multiple display outputs simultaneosly. it is NOT just a software feature that can be solved with a firmware update lol, its a hardware feature that the PS3 does not have.
if the PS3 could do it, it would do it. gamers would love to have multi-display, as evident with GT5's multi-display update feature that allows you to have multi-display....but ONLY if you use multiple PS3s!
It's not just an offset image-- it is two separate images being rendered independently of each other. It's basically the same principle that makes split screen gameplay possible. If Sony can broadcast one of these images to the PSV's screen via bluetooth while displaying the other on the TV, they will essentially have duplicated the Wii U's functionality.[QUOTE="tumle"]
[QUOTE="JB730"]
that is outputting two offset images at the same time to the same single display output.
that is different from outputting images (however many images) to multiple display outputs simultaneosly. itss NOT just a software feature that acn be solved with a firmware update lol, its a hardware feature that the PS3 does not have.
if the PS3 could do it, it would do it. gamers would love to have multi-display, as evident with GT5's multi-display update feautre that allows you to have multi-display....but ONLY if you use multiple PS3s!
JB730
Again You can stream PS1 games from you're PS3 to you're PSP right now:) (and it is a video stream)
sigh. why PS1 games only now? why not PS3 calibre games to your PSP (which is what we are talking about here)?
i gotta start letting you guys come to your own conclusions.
eerrh have you seen the controls on a PSP, Don't think the transition from two analog sticks to one and a lot less buttons will give you that great of a transition, plus I'm not sure the WIFI card in the PSP is good enough to get a proper HD stream (or close to) with minimum lag from the PS3.
the last part is just my speculation, but the first part makes some sense right? :)
but You seem to know better.. :)
[QUOTE="tumle"]
Again You can stream PS1 games from you're PS3 to you're PSP right now:) (and it is a video stream)
wakefulness
Really? Whoa, I never realized that. Is it like how movies ae streamed from the PS3 to PSP?
yea. I actually found out about it when trying to stream a movie and accidentally booted up a PS1 game instead:)
its some time ago, but cant imagine they took it out:) a little warning though there is a little bit of lag:)
[QUOTE="JB730"]
[QUOTE="tumle"]
Again You can stream PS1 games from you're PS3 to you're PSP right now:) (and it is a video stream)
tumle
sigh. why PS1 games only now? why not PS3 calibre games to your PSP (which is what we are talking about here)?
i gotta start letting you guys come to your own conclusions.
eerrh have you seen the controls on a PSP, Don't think the transition from two analog sticks to one and a lot less buttons will give you that great of a transition, plus I'm not sure the WIFI card in the PSP is good enough to get a proper HD stream (or close to) with minimum lag from the PS3.
the last part is just my speculation, but the first part makes some sense right? :)
but You seem to know better.. :)
your missing a key point. can you play remote play on the psp WHILE playing a ps3 game on your tv at the same time?
[QUOTE="tumle"]
[QUOTE="JB730"]
that is outputting two offset images at the same time to the same single display output.
that is different from outputting images (however many images) to multiple display outputs simultaneosly. itss NOT just a software feature that acn be solved with a firmware update lol, its a hardware feature that the PS3 does not have.
if the PS3 could do it, it would do it. gamers would love to have multi-display, as evident with GT5's multi-display update feautre that allows you to have multi-display....but ONLY if you use multiple PS3s!
ShuichiChamp24
Again You can stream PS1 games from you're PS3 to you're PSP right now:) (and it is a video stream)
I don't i've ever seen that or used it myself, then again I haven't used my ps3 in a long while. Is it able to have both systems display the game at the same time?
Anyway, the WiiU can not only display the image on the screen but can only show something completely different than what is in the screen.
Im not trying to take anything away from the WiiU, it look wherry cool, just commenting on this discussion, and poking a little fun at sheep's attitude of "NINTENDO INVENTED EVERYTHING" :P.
right now as I remember it (its been a while since i used my PSP for anything) it only shows the video stream on the PSP as the ps3 is only used as a media hub to acses data data from when youre not home and on a WIFI network but don't see why it shouldn't be able to process Images on both the PSvita and the PS3 when Vita has a much better hardware than PSP, and have both bluetooth and WIFI :)
[QUOTE="wakefulness"]
[QUOTE="tumle"]
Again You can stream PS1 games from you're PS3 to you're PSP right now:) (and it is a video stream)
tumle
Really? Whoa, I never realized that. Is it like how movies ae streamed from the PS3 to PSP?
yea. I actually found out about it when trying to stream a movie and accidentally booted up a PS1 game instead:)
its some time ago, but cant imagine they took it out:) a little warning though there is a little bit of lag:)
I will have to research this myself (when I get the time). I never doubted something like that would be possible but, I was thinking more along the lines of Mini's because PS1 games tend to be heavier and I reckoned it would be a lot to stream over to the weaker PSP Wi-Fi modules; I suppose the mild lag you speak of kind of proves that.
[QUOTE="tumle"]
[QUOTE="JB730"]
sigh. why PS1 games only now? why not PS3 calibre games to your PSP (which is what we are talking about here)?
i gotta start letting you guys come to your own conclusions.
JB730
eerrh have you seen the controls on a PSP, Don't think the transition from two analog sticks to one and a lot less buttons will give you that great of a transition, plus I'm not sure the WIFI card in the PSP is good enough to get a proper HD stream (or close to) with minimum lag from the PS3.
the last part is just my speculation, but the first part makes some sense right? :)
but You seem to know better.. :)
your missing a key point. can you play remote play on the psp WHILE playing a ps3 game on your tv at the same time?
nope because the system is not set up like that. I'm not quite sure what you're question is.. are you implying that you can play 2 different games on the WiiU at the same time? because that's not the impression I got from Nintendo's press conference.
but if you're asking if you could have an integrated experience between the ps3 and psp at the same time, then yes I think you could.
I think that Nintendo build on this idea while Sony just let it go. they were going on about it before the ps3 released how you could use the PSP as a rear view mirror but nothing really came of it just like there motion control idea they had but didn't do anything about it before it was to late and Nintendo all ready had the market..
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