Carolyn Petit to review GTA 5

And no, I'm not going to refer to a man as "she/her".Pariah_001

She's a transgender woman. Get over it.

[QUOTE="Pariah_001"]And no, I'm not going to refer to a man as "she/her".Pffrbt

She's a transgender woman. Get over it.

I don't agree with the concept. Get over it.

[QUOTE="darkspineslayer"]The pointed use of male pronouns. (she's a transgender, get the fvck over it) That, and the lack of any actual argument from you against her work for why she's a bad journalist. No, your Gone Home conspiracy doesn't count.Pariah_001

What conspiracy? Going along to get along is a mentality. Not a "conspiracy".

Jeez. People love to throw around that word like it's confetti. That and the word "science".

And no, I'm not going to refer to a man as "she/her". We are what we are, and not what we think we are. That's my view, and while it may not be yours or his, I'm not going to violate my integrity by saying otherwise just to make you or him feel better. Quite frankly, your rigidness on the matter seems to impose a double standard on my own views: wheres your appreciation for what I think? Why is it instantly considered insulting?

This board is sick. And intolerant. It makes me ashamed to be a part of this 'community,' to be a gamer, and to be a person sometimes. F*cking hell.charizard1605

Intolerant? How?

This board is sick. And intolerant. It makes me ashamed to be a part of this 'community,' to be a gamer, and to be a person sometimes. F*cking hell.charizard1605

agree.  neckbeards will neckbeard.

You must have a very good computer, I had no idea someone was posting from the 1960's. Your views mean nothing. Gender politics have evolved since Kennedy. It just makes you look like an asshat. darkspineslayer

Going against a populist view does indeed put me at a disadvantage in a discussion since it very easy for you take the high ground. Indisputable.

But popularity is not conducive to correctness. One individual on the planet could be the last person left alive to hold a particular belief. By virtue of the fact that he's the only one who gives it credence, that makes him incorrect? Interesting logic.

[QUOTE="Pariah_001"]

[QUOTE="darkspineslayer"]The pointed use of male pronouns. (she's a transgender, get the fvck over it) That, and the lack of any actual argument from you against her work for why she's a bad journalist. No, your Gone Home conspiracy doesn't count.darkspineslayer

What conspiracy? Going along to get along is a mentality. Not a "conspiracy".

Jeez. People love to throw around that word like it's confetti. That and the word "science".

And no, I'm not going to refer to a man as "she/her". We are what we are, and not what we think we are. That's my view, and while it may not be yours or his, I'm not going to violate my integrity by saying otherwise just to make you or him feel better. Quite frankly, your rigidness on the matter seems to impose a double standard on my own views: wheres your appreciation for what I think? Why is it instantly considered insulting?

Let's be real here for a second.  I don't mean to be offensive but Carolyn looks nothing like a female.

Maybe that's shallow, but I have a hard time identifying him as a her.

[QUOTE="Pffrbt"]

[QUOTE="Pariah_001"]And no, I'm not going to refer to a man as "she/her".Pariah_001

She's a transgender woman. Get over it.

I don't agree with the concept. Get over it.

Keepin it TG aint nuttin!

You ain't gotta like it but the hood gon' love it!

I don't agree with the concept. Get over it.Pariah_001

You not agreeing with something doesn't change the fact that it's there.

[QUOTE="darkspineslayer"]You must have a very good computer, I had no idea someone was posting from the 1960's. Your views mean nothing. Gender politics have evolved since Kennedy. It just makes you look like an asshat. Pariah_001

Going against a populist view does indeed put me at a disadvantage in a discussion since it very easy for you take the high ground. Indisputable.

But popularity is not conducive to correctness. One individual on the planet could be the last person left alive to hold a particular belief. By virtue of the fact that he's the only one who gives it credence, that makes him incorrect? Interesting logic.

Let's be real here for a second.  I don't mean to be offensive but Carolyn looks nothing like a female.

Maybe that's shallow, but I have a hard time identifying him as a her.ReadingRainbow4

I agree. She pisses me off. If you identify as female and want others to identify you as female then at least put in the f*cking effort.

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]Let's be real here for a second.  I don't mean to be offensive but Carolyn looks nothing like a female.

Maybe that's shallow, but I have a hard time identifying him as a her.Pffrbt

I agree. She pisses me off. If you identify as female and want others to identify you as female then at least put in the f*cking effort.

See, that's what I'm saying.. TG's don't bother me if they can pull it off.  Dudes in lipstick however.

Yeah now I sound like a f*cking asshole, lol.

[QUOTE="Pariah_001"]I don't agree with the concept. Get over it.Pffrbt

You not agreeing with something doesn't change the fact that it's there.

Actually the transgender concept is abstract.

Anatomy, on the other hand, is not.

And by your theoretical rhetoric, Neo-Nazis, those who think slavery is cool, and rapists all make their thing perfectly alright. Interesting logic. darkspineslayer

There is a possibility that their views are more correct than we give them credit for, yes. But the deciding factor here is empirical evidence, not your shoddy attempt at an ad hominem.

And there's nothing wrong with thinking whatever you like regardless of how socially acceptable it may be. Because, above all else, it is a thought and not an action. Like this thread for instance: it is a forum of thought.

Actually the transgender concept is abstract.

Anatomy, on the other hand, is not.Pariah_001

Gender is abstract. Gender is not necessarily the same as physical sex.

This is exactly what I'm talking about.  People are adverse whenever they see someone who looks and acts different.  They aren't just casually disinterested, but deeply disturbed about it.

It's never about Gone Home, LA Noire, Max Payne or GTAV.  Any thread about Petit becomes about her gender.

IMO, if someone makes a big effort to change their lifestyle, can't we just honor her decision?

Well this thread escalated

All I have to say is http://youtu.be/RZcmFeIyZNo?t=4m20s

Carry on.

This is exactly what I'm talking about.  People are adverse whenever they see someone who looks and acts different.  They aren't just casually disinterested, but deeply disturbed about it.

It's never about Gone Home, LA Noire, Max Payne or GTAV.  Any thread about Petit becomes about her gender.

IMO, if someone makes a big effort to change their lifestyle, can't we just honor her decision?

drekula2

Not true entirely, we were discussing the proper use of the term Her, The reviews are objectively awful.

"her," sex has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the review, she somehow finds a way to bring an outside agenda into it however even if it has no place being there.  It's been brought up before but she has a tendency to read too much into something and interpret in an entirely abstract way, hence the article of hers on Persona.

See, that's what I'm saying.. TG's don't bother me if they can pull it off.  Dudes in lipstick however.ReadingRainbow4

It doesn't bother me if they can't quite pull it off so long as I can see that they're making a solid effort. Carolyn just does not at all though.

[QUOTE="darkspineslayer"]And by your theoretical rhetoric, Neo-Nazis, those who think slavery is cool, and rapists all make their thing perfectly alright. Interesting logic. Pariah_001

There is a possibility that their views are more correct than we give them credit for, yes. But the deciding factor here is empirical evidence, not your shoddy attempt at an ad hominem.

And there's nothing wrong with thinking whatever you like regardless of how socially acceptable it may be. Because, above all else, it is a thought and not an action. Like this thread for instance: it is a forum of thought.

Gender is abstract. Gender is not necessarily the same as physical sex.Pffrbt

Negative. Gender is physical. That's also a term referring to anatomy. "Male" and "female" are apart of an inherently anatomical context (see also: male and female cable ends). "Gender" is a container word that refers to either "male" or "female".

What you're thinking of is "man" and "woman". It's true that they are more abstract than the physical since we infer conventions upon each of them. But they're only inferred in the first place due to physical differences.

Carolyn Petit is still reviewing GTA5 - deal with it

[QUOTE="Pffrbt"]Gender is abstract. Gender is not necessarily the same as physical sex.Pariah_001

Negative. Gender is physical. That's also a term referring to anatomy. "Male" and "female" are apart of an inherently anatomical context (see also: male and female cable ends). "Gender" is a container word that refers to either "male" or "female".

What you're thinking of is "man" and "woman". It's true that they are more abstract than the physical since we infer conventions upon each of them. But they're only inferred in the first place due to physical differences.

In a single post, you suggest that Neo Nazis have it right, use the term "empirical" wrong (unless you've gone and felt up Carolyn), and make a terrible attempt to act deep. :| Well, goodbye. darkspineslayer

Ah. A strawman.

Everyone has the possibility of being correct. That doesn't mean they are--or even that I said they are. Nice try though.

Empirical evidence is what's used to measure the credibility of a given views claims and/or tenets.

Keep on trucking the ad hominem Darkspine; you'll never lose. 'Cuza that's just the kind of world we live in.:)

Carolyn Petit is still reviewing GTA5 - deal with it

drekula2

C'mon atleast give a proper response.

got a link? or a now playing or something to back that up because I thought for sure it would be Calvert.

[QUOTE="lowkey254"]

Carl would be a terrible choice. He nitpicks minor things and deducts whole points for said minor things.

Pffrbt

Calling her "Carl" and "he" kind of just makes you look like an asshat.

Yep. Lots of manbabies in this thread.

[QUOTE="Pffrbt"]Gender is abstract. Gender is not necessarily the same as physical sex.Pariah_001

Negative. Gender is physical.

No it isn't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identity

Lets hope the strip clubs don't 7 or 8 it then. Infinite_Access

Strip clubs are one of the most tamest aspects of the game now, lol.

That would depend on your definition of the word gender. Quite a few people view gender as one's own sexual identity while sex is their anatomy. Your telling him he's wrong is like other people telling you you're wrong for having different views.soulitane

You can redefine the word "gender" if you like. After all, it's just a word. But you can't morph its original concept.

Even if you want to argue that someone with a penis is a man based on a concept of a mental "identity" that supercedes his objective identity (his form), you will never get around the fact that he is male. Male will always be a objective physical concept.

[QUOTE="Pariah_001"]

[QUOTE="Pffrbt"]Gender is abstract. Gender is not necessarily the same as physical sex.Pffrbt

Negative. Gender is physical.

No it isn't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identity

Oh. A Wiki! Fun.

Oh. A Wiki! Fun.Pariah_001

Have fun reading it.

[QUOTE="Pffrbt"]

[QUOTE="Pariah_001"]

Negative. Gender is physical.Pariah_001

No it isn't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identity

Oh. A Wiki! Fun.

Wikipedia is more than you've brought to the table.

[QUOTE="Pffrbt"]

[QUOTE="lowkey254"]

Carl would be a terrible choice. He nitpicks minor things and deducts whole points for said minor things.

GreySeal9

Calling her "Carl" and "he" kind of just makes you look like an asshat.

Yep. Lots of manbabies in this thread.

Is the view nice up there on your pedestal?

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Pffrbt"]

Calling her "Carl" and "he" kind of just makes you look like an asshat.

Pariah_001

Yep. Lots of manbabies in this thread.

Is the view nice up there on your pedestal?

Yes. I enjoy not being a manbaby.

game has boobs. Carolyn reviewing and it equals flop.

Jonwh18

Wikipedia is more than you've brought to the table.

GreySeal9

Common sense will always trump wikipedia.

"Gender" has always been used to denote objective characteristics before it was ever ingrained into abstract ideals of "identity"--which is based on a pop-cultural etymology, and not a linguistic science.

So...yeah...this thread...

Yes. I enjoy not being a manbaby.

GreySeal9

Ah. Elitism. Congrats!:D

So...yeah...this thread...

PhazonBlazer

Is rocking awesome!

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Wikipedia is more than you've brought to the table.

Pariah_001

Common sense will always trump wikipedia.

"Gender" has always been used to denote objective characteristics before it was ever ingrained into abstract ideals of "identity"--which is based on a pop-cultural etymology, and not a linguistic science.

lol. "Common sense" is such a lame cop out.

Everybody thinks their views are "common sense." 

[QUOTE="Pariah_001"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Wikipedia is more than you've brought to the table.

GreySeal9

Common sense will always trump wikipedia.

"Gender" has always been used to denote objective characteristics before it was ever ingrained into abstract ideals of "identity"--which is based on a pop-cultural etymology, and not a linguistic science.

lol. "Common sense" is such a lame cop out.

Everybody thinks their views are "common sense." 

I don't see you disputing the argument. You're fixating on a convenient abstraction.

Try again. You might win.....something.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]Yes. I enjoy not being a manbaby.

Pariah_001

Ah. Elitism. Congrats!:D

Better to be an elitist than a manbaby.

[QUOTE="drekula2"]

Carolyn Petit is still reviewing GTA5 - deal with it

ReadingRainbow4

C'mon atleast give a proper response.

got a link? or a now playing or something to back that up because I thought for sure it would be Calvert.

Here's a proper response.

Also, Calvert hasn't reviewed anything in a long long time.  

Ahh, political correctness vs. an objectively based perspective.

And the latter party is somehow intolerant for not accepting the pc point of view.

Herd mentality sure can be a b*tch.

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

[QUOTE="drekula2"]

Carolyn Petit is still reviewing GTA5 - deal with it

drekula2

C'mon atleast give a proper response.

got a link? or a now playing or something to back that up because I thought for sure it would be Calvert.

Here's a proper response.

Also, Calvert hasn't reviewed anything in a long long time.  

lol, Mcshea's face on Obama.

Yeah, think we're done here.

Better to be an elitist than a manbaby.GreySeal9

I....I just don't know GreySeal. It would be pretty difficult for me to retain the capacity to put myself above others based solely on a differing opinion. It's just not in my nature.

Clearly you're the bigger.....gamer not having the same difficulty. I salute you?