CD Projekt Red call DA:O hero "Dull and ******** looking"

"Something tells me Bioware learned their lesson or at least I hope so;))

I believe they didn`t want to tell players how they should feel, how they should react, but because of that main hero became dull and very often looks retarded, as someone`ve already mentioned;)"

http://www.thewitcher.com/forum/index.php?topic=26649.165

Came across this today and found it rather funny.

isn't that sorta like calling Gordon Freeman boring?

isn't that sorta like calling Gordon Freeman boring?

88mphSlayer

hahah, well, you mean an artist that works at CD Projekt RED.AAllxxjjnn

As opposed to how Geralt conveyed his deepest thoughts and emotions through subtle facial animations? Nope, wait, I've confused "deepest thoughts and emotions" with "cliche two-dimensional character" and "subtle facial animations" with "blank stares and dead eyes" again.

Seriously, what's this guy's point?

What was his goal by saying this? It comes off as insecurity over the success BioWare has incurred, rather than actual, logical criticism.

Im really not sure what this guy is getting at. Both games presented fantastic story driven narratives. Im doubly not sure what he could be getting at being that Mass Effect is selling quite well (better then Witcher I believe) and has very high approval from the forumsphere/ blogsphere. . This is basically just trolling...alextherussian

I played a city elf assassin in DA:O and he didn't show any personality, looked just as weird as the avatar character in wkc... Not saying it's a bad thing just I agree with the cd project guy on this. REally though I don't know what else they could of done differently, as you started in different scenarios. In BG1/BG2 you started out as one person Adell (or whatever you changed his name to) and the story ufolded from there. He had character as he was built that way.

[QUOTE="alextherussian"]Im really not sure what this guy is getting at. Both games presented fantastic story driven narratives. Im doubly not sure what he could be getting at being that Mass Effect is selling quite well (better then Witcher I believe) and has very high approval from the forumsphere/ blogsphere. . This is basically just trolling...Midnightshade29

BioWare does not go around glorifying themselves in the faces of other developers.

rolo107

I agree with that guy. The best aspect of the Witcher for me was the emotional connection you get with the protagonist. That happens because he's likeable and realistic, and has a very good voice actor.

The guy is right. Artistically speaking, your character is very dull.

I agree with that guy. The best aspect of the Witcher for me was the emotional connection you get with the protagonist. That happens because he's likeable and realistic, and has a very good voice actor.

KiZZo1

lol... when CD Projekt Red produces games that can even hold a candle to Bioware titles, then I'll start to take them seriously. Visuals in The Witcher are poor, the gameplay SUCKS... Geralt looks like an ape wielding a sword, in combat. Mass Effect has 10x the cinematic story telling. Animations in The Witcher might as well be last gen.... oh wait, thats giving them too much credit... KOTOR had better character animations.

The Witcher is mediocrity at its finest.

Biowares games aren't perfect... but CD Projekt Red has absolutely nothing on Bioware... those who live in glass houses, and all that.

"Something tells me Bioware learned their lesson or at least I hope so;))

I believe they didn`t want to tell players how they should feel, how they should react, but because of that main hero became dull and very often looks retarded, as someone`ve already mentioned;)"

http://www.thewitcher.com/forum/index.php?topic=26649.165

Came across this today and found it rather funny.

Zero5000X

lol... when CD Projekt Red produces games that can even hold a candle to Bioware titles, then I'll start to take them seriously. Visuals in The Witcher are poor, the gameplay SUCKS... Geralt looks like an ape wielding a sword, in combat. Mass Effect has 10x the cinematic story telling. Animations in The Witcher might as well be last gen.... oh wait, thats giving them too much credit... KOTOR had better character animations.

The Witcher is mediocrity at its finest.

moistsandwich

[QUOTE="moistsandwich"]

lol... when CD Projekt Red produces games that can even hold a candle to Bioware titles, then I'll start to take them seriously. Visuals in The Witcher are poor, the gameplay SUCKS... Geralt looks like an ape wielding a sword, in combat. Mass Effect has 10x the cinematic story telling. Animations in The Witcher might as well be last gen.... oh wait, thats giving them too much credit... KOTOR had better character animations.

The Witcher is mediocrity at its finest.

methinksyou

The Witcher is boring, and screams low budget, from what I could force myself to play of it.

Demon's Souls.... lol.... you think thats a RPG? No wonder you think The Witcher is good.

Demons Soul's is pretty damn good. Whether it has a enough dialogue for some rpg gamers or not is besides the point. The game is still good and still belongs in the RPG genre the same way Diablo does. And to be honest I thought it was probably the best RPG I've played in a damn long time.

Didn't really like The Witcher though, thought Dragon Age was better. In regards to the main character in DA being dull. Well I didn't notice this too much. But what I did notice is that the gameplay in the Witcher is very dull. Clicking on enemies every second to string combos a long is quite a bad game mechanic for a professional game. The gameplay sort of reminded me of those web based game scam advertisements, where you have to click on something multiple times and then it links you to a webpage where it tells you, "you've won 10,000$". Same type of gameplay, friggin terrible.

In terms of story also I thought the Witcher was pretty dumb. "A small band of guys with grey hair who fight monsters by drinking potions and using magic" It's like power ranger story but in different setting imo. Dragon Age story was not that great either but not nearly as corny.

[QUOTE="methinksyou"][QUOTE="moistsandwich"]

lol... when CD Projekt Red produces games that can even hold a candle to Bioware titles, then I'll start to take them seriously. Visuals in The Witcher are poor, the gameplay SUCKS... Geralt looks like an ape wielding a sword, in combat. Mass Effect has 10x the cinematic story telling. Animations in The Witcher might as well be last gen.... oh wait, thats giving them too much credit... KOTOR had better character animations.

The Witcher is mediocrity at its finest.

moistsandwich

The Witcher is boring, and screams low budget, from what I could force myself to play of it.

Demon's Souls.... lol.... you think thats a RPG? No wonder you think The Witcher is good.

I liked Dragon Age:Origins a lot more than the Witcher...My dwarf could own Geralt any day of the week.

[QUOTE="KiZZo1"]

I agree with that guy. The best aspect of the Witcher for me was the emotional connection you get with the protagonist. That happens because he's likeable and realistic, and has a very good voice actor.

Arach666

[QUOTE="alextherussian"]Im really not sure what this guy is getting at. Both games presented fantastic story driven narratives. Im doubly not sure what he could be getting at being that Mass Effect is selling quite well (better then Witcher I believe) and has very high approval from the forumsphere/ blogsphere. . This is basically just trolling...Midnightshade29

I played a city elf assassin in DA:O and he didn't show any personality, looked just as weird as the avatar character in wkc... Not saying it's a bad thing just I agree with the cd project guy on this. REally though I don't know what else they could of done differently, as you started in different scenarios. In BG1/BG2 you started out as one person Adell (or whatever you changed his name to) and the story ufolded from there. He had character as he was built that way.

well that's fine and all but DA:O is more along the lines of KOTOR or Fallout 3 in that your character doesn't speak, and it's pretty much dialogue choices that reflect how you as a gamer would like to react in shaping the LOTR-esque story they've got going on

i can understand dismissing the story but dismissing the gamer's character doesn't really make any sense

I liked Dragon Age:Origins a lot more than the Witcher...My dwarf could own Geralt any day of the week.

UnknownSniper65

Demons Soul's is pretty damn good. Whether it has a enough dialogue for some rpg gamers or not is besides the point. The game is still good and still belongs in the RPG genre the same way Diablo does. And to be honest I thought it was probably the best RPG I've played in a damn long time.

Solar-X

I think you would actually find that most would not group Diablo with the likes of Baldur's Gate, KOTOR or even Mass Effect. Coz if you did, you might as well put COD MW a RPG game coz you are playing the role of a soldier that has "levelling up" elements. Or something like that.

Some would also place it in a similar but inherently different genre called ARPG or Hack'n'Slash Games.

Not trying to belittle Demon's Souls coz I love hack'n'slash games. Just don't think that people should group them with RPG games.

Demons Soul's is pretty damn good. Whether it has a enough dialogue for some rpg gamers or not is besides the point. The game is still good and still belongs in the RPG genre the same way Diablo does. And to be honest I thought it was probably the best RPG I've played in a damn long time.

Didn't really like The Witcher though, thought Dragon Age was better. In regards to the main character in DA being dull. Well I didn't notice this too much. But what I did notice is that the gameplay in the Witcher is very dull. Clicking on enemies every second to string combos a long is quite a bad game mechanic for a professional game. The gameplay sort of reminded me of those web based game scam advertisements, where you have to click on something multiple times and then it links you to a webpage where it tells you, "you've won 10,000$". Same type of gameplay, friggin terrible.

In terms of story also I thought the Witcher was pretty dumb. "A small band of guys with grey hair who fight monsters by drinking potions and using magic" It's like power ranger story but in different setting imo. Dragon Age story was not that great either but not nearly as corny.

Since when did games such as KOTOR/BG (Bioware games in general) clasify what a computer RPG game is? Most of the first RPGs that appeared on the PC played nothing like any of the Black Isle/Bioware RPGs. The first computerized RPG was a dungeon crawler.Diablo came out two years before Baldur's Gate, it features character customization. Inventory system. A story, and classes. It's a RPG of course.

Black Isle/Bioware games are just a "type" of computer RPG in the same way Diablo and Demon Souls is a type of c-rpg also. They belong in the same genre but are different make up. Black Isle games are more about slow story progression with loads of dialogue, basically Black Isle tried to bring Dungeon and Dragon table top to the PC. Diablo is about combat, exploration and power gaming - very similar to Demon Souls. both types of game belong in the same genre.

The Witcher destroys Dragon Age. DAO is amateur hour compared to The Witcher. The Witcher is about how the biggest monsters can be humans, not beasts, and the story and the decisions are broilliantly executed. By the looks of it you only played the Prologue, because its all Geralt afterward. Its also based off and a sequel to the novel series which carries the theme I said above

I played more than twenty hours into The Witcher and I didn't like it. As I said I just couldn't tolerate the dull combat, lack of customization. Bad character leveling system. And the story was not good enough for all those negatives. Dragon Age doesn't have that great a story either, but there is more customization and combat is much better.

lol... when CD Projekt Red produces games that can even hold a candle to Bioware titles, then I'll start to take them seriously. Visuals in The Witcher are poor, the gameplay SUCKS... Geralt looks like an ape wielding a sword, in combat. Mass Effect has 10x the cinematic story telling. Animations in The Witcher might as well be last gen.... oh wait, thats giving them too much credit... KOTOR had better character animations.

The Witcher is mediocrity at its finest.

Biowares games aren't perfect... but CD Projekt Red has absolutely nothing on Bioware... those who live in glass houses, and all that.

I just thought it was funny how he flat out insulted BioWare.Zero5000X

Elves have always been discriminated against in fantasy RPGs. You ever heared of the Drow from D&D? And what exactly did The Withcher revolutionize? The only innovative feature in that game is being able to bang witches and tree women and tavern wenches.

Since when did games such as KOTOR/BG (Bioware games in general) clasify what a computer RPG game is? Most of the first RPGs that appeared on the PC played nothing like any of the Black Isle/Bioware RPGs. The first computerized RPG was a dungeon crawler.Diablo came out two years before Baldur's Gate, it features character customization. Inventory system. A story, and classes. It's a RPG of course.

Black Isle/Bioware games are just a "type" of computer RPG in the same way Diablo and Demon Souls is a type of c-rpg also. They belong in the same genre but are different make up. Black Isle games are more about slow story progression with loads of dialogue, basically Black Isle tried to bring Dungeon and Dragon table top to the PC. Diablo is about combat, exploration and power gaming - very similar to Demon Souls. both types of game belong in the same genre.

They weren't dungeon crawlers but they certainly weren't RPGs in the same vein as Black Isle games either. There's not much dialogue in the Ultima series. It's mostly exploration and combat. And it's open ended. I would put Ultima alongside TES games such as Daggerfall upto Oblivion. But Black Isle games are very different in that they're linear story driven. Nothing like Ultima at all.

And I would classify all three types of games (diablo/ultima/BG) as RPGs anyway.

Elves have always been discriminated against in fantasy RPGs. You ever heared of the Drow from D&D? And what exactly did The Withcher revolutionize? The only innovative feature in that game is being able to bang witches and tree women and tavern wenches.

Solar-X

They weren't dungeon crawlers but they certainly weren't RPGs in the same vein as Black Isle games either. There's not much dialogue in the Ultima series. It's mostly exploration and combat. And it's open ended. I would put Ultima alongside TES games such as Daggerfall upto Oblivion. But Black Isle games are very different in that they're linear story driven. Nothing like Ultima at all.

And I would classify all three types of games (diablo/ultima/BG) as RPGs anyway.

Karma system has been around since day dot m8. I even remember playing Meridian 59, which was released 1995 I believe and that had a karma system.

As for alternative endings, even Daggerfall had alternative endings. Maybe The Witcher went about it in a slightly different way. But it certainly didn't revolutionized anything at all.

Richard Garriot came up with the converstaion tree that RPGs use today. It built the foundation of the genre more than any other RPG series. And the Ultima VII games were story driven, more so than the earlier games.

Dialogue in Ultima series is not like Black Isle games. And everything like TES series. Which was my main point. I don't see much similarities between Baldur's Gate type RPG and Ultima. And yes the Ultima series was story driven but every RPG is story driven. Diablo is story driven. Just because it doesn't feed the player the story through dialogue like Baldur's Gate does not mean the story is not there.

Karma system has been around since day dot m8. I even remember playing Meridian 59, which was released 1995 I believe and that had a karma system.

As for alternative endings, even Daggerfall had alternative endings. Maybe The Witcher went about it in a slightly different way. But it certainly didn't revolutionized anything at all.

[QUOTE="moistsandwich"]

lol... when CD Projekt Red produces games that can even hold a candle to Bioware titles, then I'll start to take them seriously. Visuals in The Witcher are poor, the gameplay SUCKS... Geralt looks like an ape wielding a sword, in combat. Mass Effect has 10x the cinematic story telling. Animations in The Witcher might as well be last gen.... oh wait, thats giving them too much credit... KOTOR had better character animations.

The Witcher is mediocrity at its finest.

Biowares games aren't perfect... but CD Projekt Red has absolutely nothing on Bioware... those who live in glass houses, and all that.

texasgoldrush

LOL... you heard it here first everyone...... The Witcher invented discrimination.

FFS, this is one guy who expresses his own unofficial opinion, which regards a single aspect of the games! So don't overreact - I didn't see anything regarding overall comparisons of the games, not that it would be crime if he thought their game is better, because a lot of people think the same way ...

[QUOTE="Solar-X"]

Elves have always been discriminated against in fantasy RPGs. You ever heared of the Drow from D&D? And what exactly did The Withcher revolutionize? The only innovative feature in that game is being able to bang witches and tree women and tavern wenches.

texasgoldrush

FFS, this is one guy who expresses his own unofficial opinion, which regards a single aspect of the games! So don't overreact - I didn't see anything regarding overall comparisons of the games, not that it would be crime if he thought their game is better, because a lot of people think the same way ...

CD Projekt doesn't really have any credentials to bad mouth anything that Bioware makes really. not even one aspect. They're not even in same league as Bioware at the moment. maybe when they've made dozens of successful RPGs then they should talk. But at the moment they have just one successful RPG under their belt, they're still newborn in this industry.

FFS, this is one guy who expresses his own unofficial opinion, which regards a single aspect of the games! So don't overreact - I didn't see anything regarding overall comparisons of the games, not that it would be crime if he thought their game is better, because a lot of people think the same way...

KiZZo1

#1. Is there a such thing as an "official opinion"? LOL

#2. So the majority vote determines whats right and wrong, whats true and false? Or in other words, we can do anything we want... murder, rape, punch old ladies in the throat.... so long as every else thinks its okay.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="moistsandwich"]

lol... when CD Projekt Red produces games that can even hold a candle to Bioware titles, then I'll start to take them seriously. Visuals in The Witcher are poor, the gameplay SUCKS... Geralt looks like an ape wielding a sword, in combat. Mass Effect has 10x the cinematic story telling. Animations in The Witcher might as well be last gen.... oh wait, thats giving them too much credit... KOTOR had better character animations.

The Witcher is mediocrity at its finest.

Biowares games aren't perfect... but CD Projekt Red has absolutely nothing on Bioware... those who live in glass houses, and all that.

LOL... you heard it here first everyone...... The Witcher invented discrimination.

Elves have always been discriminated against in fantasy RPGs. You ever heared of the Drow from D&D? And what exactly did The Withcher revolutionize? The only innovative feature in that game is being able to bang witches and tree women and tavern wenches.

CD Projekt doesn't really have any credentials to bad mouth anything that Bioware makes really. not even one aspect. They're not even in same league as Bioware at the moment. maybe when they've made dozens of successful RPGs then they should talk. But at the moment they have just one successful RPG under their belt, they're still newborn in this industry.

Solar-X

... I don't quite understand that, any one can have their opinion.. Especially just a forum post.. I just find it kind of silly that he is ragging on the main character not looking as good as theirs.. When DAO is extremely customizable.. And Geralt isa professional designed character with no customization.

[QUOTE="KiZZo1"]

FFS, this is one guy who expresses his own unofficial opinion, which regards a single aspect of the games! So don't overreact - I didn't see anything regarding overall comparisons of the games, not that it would be crime if he thought their game is better, because a lot of people think the same way...

moistsandwich

#1. Is there a such thing as an "official opinion"? LOL

Excuse me for the bad wording. It was a statement, given by a single person, not entitled with PR, on an internet forum.

#2. So the majority vote determines whats right and wrong, whats true and false? Or in other words, we can do anything we want... murder, rape, punch old ladies in the throat.... so long as every else thinks its okay.

moistsandwich

Very smart, you are quite the linguistic guru, but still, do check the word metaphor, I think it may be missing from your vocabulary ...