CD Projekt Red call DA:O hero "Dull and ******** looking"

Geralt was cool, but he's nowhere near as awesome as my Dwarf Noble Rouge. He shouldn't really be making comments about developers CD PRojekt Red are actually working with (It's Biowares engine.), and not only that, both ME2 and DA:O are much better games than The Witcher, which remains after all this a highly overrated game.

Geralt was cool, but he's nowhere near as awesome as my Dwarf Noble Rouge. He shouldn't really be making comments about developers CD PRojekt Red are actually working with (It's Biowares engine.), and not only that, both ME2 and DA:O are much better games than The Witcher, which remains after all this a highly overrated game.

WasntAvailable

What color exactly is Dwarf Noble Rouge? Is that like a brownish red?

CD Projekt doesn't really have any credentials to bad mouth anything that Bioware makes really. not even one aspect. They're not even in same league as Bioware at the moment. maybe when they've made dozens of successful RPGs then they should talk. But at the moment they have just one successful RPG under their belt, they're still newborn in this industry.

Solar-X

It's not CD Project. It's one guy from that company. By the same logic you don't have the right to "bad mouth" any game because you haven't made any RPGs? Or somehow he doesn't have the right to have his own opinion?

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Geralt was cool, but he's nowhere near as awesome as my Dwarf Noble Rouge. He shouldn't really be making comments about developers CD PRojekt Red are actually working with (It's Biowares engine.), and not only that, both ME2 and DA:O are much better games than The Witcher, which remains after all this a highly overrated game.

sSubZerOo

What color exactly is Dwarf Noble Rouge? Is that like a brownish red?

Colour? As in skin colour or something else entirely diffrent?

[QUOTE="alextherussian"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] 1) The abandonment of a good/evil system, or karma system, with the emphasis on choosing the lesser evil. Most RPGs before it had a clear good and evil mechanic. 2) Decisions affect key moments of the plot much later, unlike WRPGs of the past where they either effect the ending somewhat like Fallout or not at all. A Decision made in Chapter 1 influences what happens in Chapter 4 and the Epilogue, for example.texasgoldrush

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Im not saying that decisions dont have a reflection. Just that they are done quite well in other games too. In DA:O a great example is talking to the council convincing about Logain, depending on your choices that can end in quite a number of ways, from weddings to character switches to just anarchy.

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In ME saving Wrex in one means seeing him in the next (probably him helping you but I couldn't rightfully say as I'm not about to replay ME1 again to see the results). The general loyalty of your crew (or lets say the choices you make when dealing with them) will drastically play out in the final chapter. Choosing to put up with them may well save their lives (and thus have repercussions for the future).

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Nothing of what I have said is meant to insult or be a con against the Witcher. I think its an amazing game. As are many of Bioware games. I just dont think that this man has much of a right or point. As Ive said a few times before, hes just trolling with that kind of a comment....

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CD Projekt doesn't really have any credentials to bad mouth anything that Bioware makes really. not even one aspect. They're not even in same league as Bioware at the moment. maybe when they've made dozens of successful RPGs then they should talk. But at the moment they have just one successful RPG under their belt, they're still newborn in this industry.

KiZZo1

It's not CD Project. It's one guy from that company. By the same logic you don't have the right to "bad mouth" any game because you haven't made any RPGs? Or somehow he doesn't have the right to have his own opinion?

[QUOTE="Solar-X"]

CD Projekt doesn't really have any credentials to bad mouth anything that Bioware makes really. not even one aspect. They're not even in same league as Bioware at the moment. maybe when they've made dozens of successful RPGs then they should talk. But at the moment they have just one successful RPG under their belt, they're still newborn in this industry.

sSubZerOo

... I don't quite understand that, any one can have their opinion.. Especially just a forum post.. I just find it kind of silly that he is ragging on the main character not looking as good as theirs.. When DAO is extremely customizable.. And Geralt isa professional designed character with no customization.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="alextherussian"] As memory serves these are not that big a deal. Nurse vs Witch, Abigail being about/ not being about, buying drugs/finding drugs, even the more global who vs who. The choice system is good, I like seeing some of the aspects of your decisions play out, but it was done in a very slap in your face kind of way. The game would scream at you with "look at what you did" concept art whenever a choice was made. Basically the choices dont provide you with that much more then say some of the choices in DA:O (much fewer though) or ME (about the same amount)..alextherussian

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Im not saying that decisions dont have a reflection. Just that they are done quite well in other games too. In DA:O a great example is talking to the council convincing about Logain, depending on your choices that can end in quite a number of ways, from weddings to character switches to just anarchy.

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In ME saving Wrex in one means seeing him in the next (probably him helping you but I couldn't rightfully say as I'm not about to replay ME1 again to see the results). The general loyalty of your crew (or lets say the choices you make when dealing with them) will drastically play out in the final chapter. Choosing to put up with them may well save their lives (and thus have repercussions for the future).

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Nothing of what I have said is meant to insult or be a con against the Witcher. I think its an amazing game. As are many of Bioware games. I just dont think that this man has much of a right or point. As Ive said a few times before, hes just trolling with that kind of a comment....

Geralt was cool, but he's nowhere near as awesome as my Dwarf Noble Rouge. He shouldn't really be making comments about developers CD PRojekt Red are actually working with (It's Biowares engine.), and not only that, both ME2 and DA:O are much better games than The Witcher, which remains after all this a highly overrated game.

WasntAvailable

lol... when CD Projekt Red produces games that can even hold a candle to Bioware titles, then I'll start to take them seriously. Visuals in The Witcher are poor, the gameplay SUCKS... Geralt looks like an ape wielding a sword, in combat. Mass Effect has 10x the cinematic story telling. Animations in The Witcher might as well be last gen.... oh wait, thats giving them too much credit... KOTOR had better character animations.

The Witcher is mediocrity at its finest.

Biowares games aren't perfect... but CD Projekt Red has absolutely nothing on Bioware... those who live in glass houses, and all that.

moistsandwich

I agree with the CD Projekt dev on this one, Commander Shepard is a character (Using a BioWare character for this comparison to be less bias), he's awesome and has a personality and you can shape him how you want. Your character in DAO is a nobody with no voice, he is dull, uninteresting and has no character growth, I noticed this from the get go and BioWare really let me down in that aspect.

Also DAO isn't half as good as some people say, deserved in 8.0 in my opinion, game was boring, boring and more boring, oh and generic too (OMFG DRAGONS! NEVER SEEN THOSE BEFORE) it pretty much followed the BioWare formula to a tee, and it took about two steps back from where RPGs are now (That is to say that it went all the way back to 1998 DnD RPGs but in 3D, except everything was a lot worse in DAO than in the awesome DnD RPGs way back when) the Witcher was a new experience, and Geralt is one the most badass protagonists gaming has seen. It makes me glad that I see a lot of hate for The Witcher in in SW (From my experience SW people have really, really bad tastes when it comes to RPGs) so hate on.

Also BioWare is not the king of RPGs, Black Isle for life, yo.

Geralt is certainly a more interesting lead character than whatever you can create in DA:O.

lol... when CD Projekt Red produces games that can even hold a candle to Bioware titles, then I'll start to take them seriously. Visuals in The Witcher are poor, the gameplay SUCKS... Geralt looks like an ape wielding a sword, in combat. Mass Effect has 10x the cinematic story telling. Animations in The Witcher might as well be last gen.... oh wait, thats giving them too much credit... KOTOR had better character animations.

The Witcher is mediocrity at its finest.

Biowares games aren't perfect... but CD Projekt Red has absolutely nothing on Bioware... those who live in glass houses, and all that.

moistsandwich

Geralt has a personality? :?

Lol at the guy on page one who said The Witcher is "head and shoulders" above Mass Effect.

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Geralt was cool, but he's nowhere near as awesome as my Dwarf Noble Rouge. He shouldn't really be making comments about developers CD PRojekt Red are actually working with (It's Biowares engine.), and not only that, both ME2 and DA:O are much better games than The Witcher, which remains after all this a highly overrated game.

texasgoldrush

Personally I didn't think The Witcher handled mature themes that well, not with the corny dialogue. The art design and graphics of both are not where either shines, in fact they both look aged but it never really bothered me. Not to mention Dragon Age had a much bigger scope, so I can look past the meh graphics more easily. Outside the narrative Dragon Age more or less tears The Witcher apart. The combat in The Witcher is decent, fun, but requires very little thought and forces a very linear play style. One character, one class. Dosn't come close to the possibilities of DA. Then you have the interaction with other characters, something that Bioware excel at, The Witcher can't match up to DA there. As for the narrative its self, really it wasn't that great, pretty much every cliche of the genre in there. Despite what people say about Dragon Age in that respect the individual quests in Dragon Age were actually significantly more interesting, usually with some clever twist at the end. I never really felt the main villains in The Witcher were very interesting (Terrible voice acting as well.), never really felt attached to most of the characters or the world to really care what happened with them. Some very predictable twists as well, some very poorly executed. Never really understood why people thought the plot of The Witcher was great. It's more dynamic than with Bioware games, which is nice, but ultimately in my view not as good.

DAO was in development for an extremely long time.

My crystal ball tells me there will be a sequel, and in the sequel they will address this issue, along with many other issues.

Look at BioWare's track record. Compare Mass Effect to Mass Effect 2. They addressed absolutely every criticism levelled at the first game. They have a history of listening to their fans and improving their games based on what the fans want to see.

It's not as if BioWare is oblivious to the games industry outside, DAO was simply a very long production and as such, is somewhat dated in many areas, though I still think it's a fantastic game.

I just lost a lot of respect for CD Projekt Red.

When you compare, don't forget where CD Project are coming from and where Bioware are coming from:

Bioware is an established company, with a lot of fans, and everything else that comes with their track record (good financing, marketing, publishing, etc.).

CDP is a newcomer who had to use the ancient Aurora engine (heavily modified by them). No one knew them, though the franchise had some recognition in Europe, due to the books.

Given those circumstances, the quality of the Witcher is nothing short of amazing. And hopefully, they will have far better conditions for developing the Witcher 2.

Lol at the guy on page one who said The Witcher is "head and shoulders" above Mass Effect.

MangaJ

Witcher is easily one of the greatest games I've played.

And he's totally right. Basicaly any main character in a bioware RPG's is dull and liveless. Yes even Sheppard.

Well hey, if you game isn't that great, might as well bad mouth the closest competition right?

Well hey, if you game isn't that great, might as well bad mouth the closest competition right?

Vaasman

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Well hey, if you game isn't that great, might as well bad mouth the closest competition right?

Revan_911

[QUOTE="Vaasman"]

Well hey, if you game isn't that great, might as well bad mouth the closest competition right?

Revan_911

As a story based RPG, it was good. I felt like I was making some good choices and such, as well as meeting cool characters and had a good setting.

As a game, it's one of the most boring messes I have ever played. 1 button combat, dull and puney enemies, very limited spells, over complicated inventory and interface. I pretty much just got to the merchant side of the hub town and said "dude **** this."

and then my computer died and I lost all my save data. I might pick it up again when I get a new motherboard, but that doesn't seem likely.

they have no room to talk when the witcher has one of the lamest combat systems around

It was something new and dynamic. Certainly wasn't lame. Yeah new. Maybe bioware should try something like that. You know....new.Revan_911

why do you think they're making an MMORPG

[QUOTE="Revan_911"]It was something new and dynamic. Certainly wasn't lame. Yeah new. Maybe bioware should try something like that. You know....new.rr2Real

why do you think they're making an MMORPG

It was something new and dynamic. Certainly wasn't lame. Yeah new. Maybe bioware should try something like that. You know....new.Revan_911

Just sayin.

they have no room to talk when the witcher has one of the lamest combat systems around

rr2Real

Yeah, and pausing in the middle of combat helps so much with immersion.

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[QUOTE="Revan_911"]It was something new and dynamic. Certainly wasn't lame. Yeah new. Maybe bioware should try something like that. You know....new.Revan_911

why do you think they're making an MMORPG

little do you know media recycles stories all the time but they just put their own spin on them

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they have no room to talk when the witcher has one of the lamest combat systems around

KiZZo1

Yeah, and pausing in the middle of combat helps so much with immersion.

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[QUOTE="Revan_911"]It was something new and dynamic. Certainly wasn't lame. Yeah new. Maybe bioware should try something like that. You know....new.Revan_911

why do you think they're making an MMORPG

It was something new and dynamic. Certainly wasn't lame. Yeah new. Maybe bioware should try something like that. You know....new.Revan_911

Why is it that whenever I see you in a thread, you're pissing and moaning about Bioware?

[QUOTE="Revan_911"]It was something new and dynamic. Certainly wasn't lame. Yeah new. Maybe bioware should try something like that. You know....new.Phoenix534

Why is it that whenever I see you in a thread, you're pissing and moaning about Bioware?

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[QUOTE="Revan_911"]It was something new and dynamic. Certainly wasn't lame. Yeah new. Maybe bioware should try something like that. You know....new.Revan_911

Why is it that whenever I see you in a thread, you're pissing and moaning about Bioware?

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[QUOTE="Revan_911"]It was something new and dynamic. Certainly wasn't lame. Yeah new. Maybe bioware should try something like that. You know....new.Revan_911

Why is it that whenever I see you in a thread, you're pissing and moaning about Bioware?

I sort of agree with the pausing in the middle of battle ruining immersion in DA:O. I really don't like that point and click false-realtime battle system. It's actually kind of boring for me. But I don't think you can bash on Bioware when we have the Mass Effect games. Not only is the combat fun and action packed, the universe is rich and, in the second one at least, massively fleshed out, and the overall production values dwarf most anything else out there to date. The second game for me is proving to be a turning point in my life as a gamer. I'm feeling that sense of inescapable addiction and immersion that I haven't felt from playing a game in years.

Dragon Age had really great voice acting. I think I might have let my desire to bonk Leliana cloud my ability to properly assess the game.

It was something new and dynamic. Certainly wasn't lame. Yeah new. Maybe bioware should try something like that. You know....new.Revan_911

Well...Ok, DA was great, but there wasn't anything in DA that Bioware didn't do better in BG 2.Revan_911

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they have no room to talk when the witcher has one of the lamest combat systems around

rr2Real

Yeah, and pausing in the middle of combat helps so much with immersion.

OK, Mr. Hardcore, but I think my point didn't get through. Basically, if you want to give people time to think - make a turn based game - like Temple of Elemental Evil or King's Bounty. In those games animations don't freeze mid-combat. Everyone still does some small movements and the game feels "alive". Not so with DA:O - when I see a flame burst frozen midair, it just feels wrong, and destroys immersion ...

DA:O was basically a next gen Baldurs gate. you would think CD Projekt would love it.

DA:O was basically a next gen Baldurs gate. you would think CD Projekt would love it.

toast_burner

BioWare unapologetically made an old-school, traditional PC RPG "FOR THE FANS!" and a lot of those same fans decided to be spoiled brats and dump all over it. Assuming BioWare is not aware of the industry around them is completely ridiculous. You don't get to where they are by living in a bubble.

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DA:O was basically a next gen Baldurs gate. you would think CD Projekt would love it.

Hahadouken

BioWare unapologetically made an old-school, traditional PC RPG "FOR THE FANS!" and a lot of those same fans decided to be spoiled brats and dump all over it. Assuming BioWare is not aware of the industry around them is completely ridiculous. You don't get to where they are by living in a bubble.

but this guy doesn't represent the whole company

I'm sure one employee's opinion does not equal CD projekt red as a whole.

at any rate, DA:O was a fantastic game, don't see why he would make such a tiny critisism.