CD Projekt VS Bioware

As of now i prefer neither. I like witcher 2 but even that game has bad combat. but still less boring than witcher 3. did not really like first witcher at all. second game is only saving grace otherwise mediocre franchise.

CDPR make games with mediocre gameplay. and bioware are now known for making making gears of war clone with dialouges system disguised as RPG.

I don't care about Bioware's games anymore. On other hand CD Projekt's games are always day one for me. In my opinion, they are new Bioware. Before 2012, I preferred Bioware. Not anymore.

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Bioware

• Baldurs Gate - Great
• MDK2 - Haven't played yet
• Baldurs Gate II - Masterpiece
• Neverwinter Nights - Great
• KOTOR - KOTOR 2 is better
• Jade Empire - Underrated gem
• Mass Effect - Fantastic
• Mass Effect 2 - Masterpiece
• Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood - Haven't played yet
• Dragon Age: Origins - Masterpiece
• Dragon Age 2 - Piece of shit
• Dragon Age 3- Fetch quest simulator. Divinity: Original Sin owned it.
• Mass Effect 3 - Great but not as good as first two
• Star Wars: The Old Republic - Over-hyped mess

CD Projekt

• The Witcher - Traditional RPG Masterpiece
• The Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings - Story driven Linear-ARPG Masterpiece
• The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt - Open World RPG Masterpiece (and all three games have better writing and storytelling than Bioware's games)

All time? Bioware, it's not even close. CDPRs first two witcher games aren't exactly good video games, third one is solid, albeit the gameplay is wildly inconsistent in quality.

But Biowares resume is longer, has more quality games, shows a bit more diversity, and added bonus their highs are way better too. Baldurs Gate is fantastic.

Going forward I'd roll with CDPR; they tell better stories in recent years, and at least they are improving. If the gameplay can start living up to their presentation qualities, they would be my type of studio.

TW2 even thought has terrible combat but it has better controls (since 3rd game control suck so much), better story, less boring because of no open world crap.

TW3 is barely ok game that is lable as greatest thing since slice bread.

I tried to play KOTOR for the first time in years last night... couldn't do it. Dragon Age is fucking terrible, and Mass Effect lost its luster to me after 2. CD Projekt all the way for me.

Both, I like CDPR abit more.

CDPR, but it was close because I really enjoyed DA: Inquisition.

My opinion of the Bioware games you listed is as follows

• Baldur's Gate - Good
• Baldur's Gate: Tales of the Sword Coast - Never played
• MDK2 - Never played
• Baldur's Gate II - Masterpiece
• Baldur's Gate II: Throne Of Bhaal - Masterpiece
• Neverwinter Nights - Good only as a game-making tool, otherwise plain bad
• Neverwinter Nights: Shadows of Undrentide - Ok
• Neverwinter Nights: Hordes of the Underdark - Great
• KOTOR - A good introduction to the superior KOTOR 2
• Jade Empire - Good
• Mass Effect - Mediocre
• Mass Effect 2 - Masterpiece
• Mass Effect 3 - Good
• Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood - Never Played
• Dragon Age: Origins - Masterpiece
• Dragon Age 2 - Bad, like really really bad.
• Dragon Age 3 - Good.
• Star Wars: Old Republic - Never Played

And for CD Projekt Red

• The Witcher - Masterpiece
• The Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings - Masterpiece
• The Witcher 3: The Wild Hunt - Great but still tons of bad design choices

Of the two I choice CD Projekt for two reasons. First is that Bioware had ups and downs with some very high highs but also some really low lows. CD Projekt on the other hand dropped the ball a bit on the Witcher 3 but you can't say that it isn't a good game.

The second reason and the most important is that CD Projekt always respected their fans. I don't think I need to elaborate. As for Bioware, well call it EA interference if you want, but their record isn't stellar. Dragon Age 2 was a slap in the face of their fans. There is some gold among all the manure but all in all it is rushed and badly designed, a quick cash grab after Origins. Then comes Inquisition and although all in all it's not a bad game, it's really far from what Baldur's Gate and Dragon Age Origins fans wanted.

Kotor as an MMO was extremely disappointing as well.

Then you have very expensive DLC, often bad ones, that never go on sale and you need Origin to play Bioware games nowadays.

Well, this poll is going to lean heavily toward CDPR, and rightly so.

All time? then def Bioware. But if we're talking about current time i'd go with CDPR.

You are high, if you think the mouse and keyboard interface isn't better in Witcher 3 v Witcher 2. Story I would wildly disagree, 3rd game being a wild goose chase is whatever, it's moment to moment story telling is significantly stronger, and it's not tied so hard to the political jargon which initially starts off interesting, but quickly becomes more grating for being so prominent.

The Witcher 2 is a lesser version of what The Witcher 3 is, and I'm not exactly pro-Witcher 3. Just in the sense that when it comes to pure play is concerned, it's a better video game than either of its predecessors. Maybe one could make the argument that the first game has a better on paper plot, you know if ignore the presentation, moment to moment writing, and voice acting being lousy in comparison.

I agree, TW2 controls are flat out bad on PC. TW3 takes that same scheme and pointedly tries to improve it. Whether you dislike TW3 controls or not is one thing, but they are surely better than TW2's

I very nearly clicked CD:PR without a second thought but they have only made three games, the first of which took a fair bit of time after release before it was stable enough to play properly. the other two are milestone games. Bioware on the other hand haven't been as good now as they used to be, still good games (with the exception of DA2) but not the ground breaking masterpieces they used to make.

Without allowing Bioware to rest on their previous history of masterful games, my vote still has to go to CD:PR, when their three games are compared to Bioware's over the same time scale.

@undefined: Bioware in a landslide easily. All the Witcher games are overrated, especially W3 game is a masterpiece, in boredom.

Bioware. They're so much better at lore and world building its not even funny. Plus the Witcher games dont even come close to Bioware before Dragon Age 2. CDPR didn't even come up with their own franchise and still couldn't make it a remotely interesting universe

Not a fan of either these days, but all time resume it's Bioware by a landslide. Hell I'd roll with Bioware for BG alone, the rest of their titles only sweeten the deal.

CDPR still needs to make a good game, not even sure why this is a question lol.

I prefer Bioware because I prefer Mass Effect over Witcher. Both are great games but I prefer the space setting.

That said, CD Projekt Red really stepped up for their fanbase on Witcher 3 with providing free DLC. The map was great and keychain was cool.

No good game, but wins GOTY almost everywhere. Makes sense.

Dude, look at history. This many people liked the Nazi's.

CDPR. Hardly played any of the Bioware games, but The Witcher 3 is at the top of my favorite games of all time, so they win by default.

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@DragonfireXZ95 said:

@ConanTheStoner said:

Not a fan of either these days, but all time resume it's Bioware by a landslide. Hell I'd roll with Bioware for BG alone, the rest of their titles only sweeten the deal.

CDPR still needs to make a good game, not even sure why this is a question lol.

No good game, but wins GOTY almost everywhere. Makes sense.

Dude, look at history. This many people liked the Nazi's.

How far do you have to reach to try to prove a point that has nothing to back it up? Apparently back to 1942.

another rant against the witcher 3 ? Face it its a great game

AS for your poll CDProjekt of course even though they only made 3 games . I havent been impressed from Bioware since the first dragon age. Imo they went downhill since then

So did games like Skyrim, Fallout 3, and plenty of other games that I would probably imagine you wouldn't have the highest opinion of. GOTY awards are glorified opinions, they aren't an argument of quality, people like that game for all its achievements in terms of story telling and production value, and this mediums critics routinely put too much stock into that, and not enough into actually interacting bits, you know the thing that actually defines this medium.

TW3 is one of the best games of all time. TW2 was great also. BO has Dragon a age: O and the ME series. Overall I'd say CDPR.

Bioware from MDK 2 through Neverwinter Nights: Hordes of the Underdark is all pure quality. Ever since then their games have been hit or miss.

CD Projekt hasn't faltered yet in terms of good narrative driven games.

So recently? CD Projekt. All time? Bioware because of their old catalog.

Game awards were all over the place in 2011. In fact, I think Portal 2 won just as many GOTY awards as Skyrim did. It was evenly split between those games and a couple others.

Besides, Skyrim is still a good game in its own right. It's not good for many of us elitists(me included), but I can see why people would love it.

I'm not going to proclaim that it's not a good game like many others have said of TW3.

Here's the other thing. CD Projekt is a fairly new company without the bias holding them up. Bethesda is a giant corporation that has been around for years(with a backlog of good games) that may or may not have paid game reviewers for glowing reviews. CD Projekt? I highly doubt they paid anyone anything, and they have a total of 3 games.

Makes plenty of sense actually, given the history of this industry.

Most of our critics are a complete joke and gamers champion all kinds of tripe.

I still can't believe "but goty!" is actually supposed to be an argument, but hey, that's gamers for ya. A group of clowns say it's good so it must be.

And you think your opinion is greater than everyone else's?

Funny how the poll says otherwise.

http://gotypicks.blogspot.com/2011/09/2011-game-of-year.html

227 to 58 isn't exactly close

254 to 58 in Witcher 3's favor over Fallout 4, isn't exactly some dramatic improvement either. So even split? No, revisionism.

The last part is pure conjecture, and yeah I'd agree The Witcher 3 is a good game, but I'd be in Conan's camp of that game being considered the best game of last year to be a bit laughable. Either way you slice it "hur dur this game won awards" isn't exactly some glowing counter to someone not finding that game to be particularly well made. It's no different than using something like a metascore as a measure of objective quality. IE it's a fallacy.

CDPR has TW2 and TW3 going for them, but Bioware has ME, DA, KOTOR and Jade Empire. Bioware wins.

lol

So you're jumping from one popularity contest to another, great. As if SW isn't just another collection of clowns.

An opinion being more popular doesn't equal an opinion being more legitimate, sorry buddy. If a billion people played TW3 and told me it was good I still wouldn't disagree any less. I don't care how many people think Bieber and Call of Duty are the greatest things ever, it's not going to change my mind about those either.

Anyways, I'm really not trying to retread the reasons why CDPR's games aren't good, I was just posting my opinion on the topic at hand. Feel free to disagree all day.

Ah, there's a compiled list. So not close. I was just reading some other random wiki article that included the bigger name ones, not all of these smaller ones.

Fine. What game deserved it last year?

You're digging a hole. You're digging a hole and won't get out of it.

Time to stop.

All time - BioWare

Today - CD Projekt

Yep, time for you to stop posting asinine threads. You could listen to your own idiotic advice for once.

@ConanTheStoner: Fair enough. I'm not saying you have to like the game, but I took your criticism at face value, which was more of an objective front than a subjective front. I'll back down from that one. ;)

Personally? Rocket League, mechanically sublime, not an over done gameplay concept, has the skill ceiling to make it a pretty demanding multiplayer experience at higher levels, and 2 v 2 mp had some of my favorite gaming moments last year. It didn't have any issue that really bothered me. Where as Witcher 3 has its combat which isn't good, MGSV is bloated, and Bloodborne has some noteworthy shitty segments, plus those chalice dungeons are atrocious.

As far as media winners are concerned, I actually don't mind The Witcher 3 pick in the grand scheme things. It's certainly a significantly better pick than the likes of Oblivion, Fallout 3, Red Dead were for their respective years. Even among my podcast mates, we went with The Witcher 3 (much to my disagreement). I'd also argue Bloodborne and MGSV were better games, but I'm a mechanics over story person. Either way that's not really the point.

That's exactly it. It's all opinion. I'm just saying, whether you like it or not, TW3 is still a good game. It's just easy to argue with the internet, seeing as most opinions come off as objective.

Neither of us said otherwise, you just jumped in his shit with the stance that he can't think CDPR didn't make a good game, because people like Witcher 3. He's still very much entitled to thinking that game isn't a good video game. Even if because a game isn't black or white, doesn't necessarily have to be good or bad, could just be "okay" or "aight" or "fine" or mediocre, average, etc. Which is about how I'd argue for the first two Witcher games, the first one especially, endearing for how much it punches above its weight class, but at some point it deserves some major criticism for how all of it plays.

Yeah, of course, opinions are all we have when it comes to this stuff bro. I'm very vocal and stubborn with my opinions, I can see how they come off as me presenting them as facts, that's just how I am lol.

Now I do believe we can base these opinions off of a collection of objective qualities. There are aspects of TW3s gameplay that I do believe are objectively poor. But at the end of the day, me thinking the game is poor, you thinking the game is great, it's just how we feel. I can't change your tastes, you can't change mine.

Like Champ, I'm more of a mechanics person. My immediate interactions with a game usually trump everything else. Occasionally I come across a game that defies that notion, but it's incredibly rare. I think TW3 does some brilliant stuff outside of its core play, it's just not enough to sway me on the overall experience.

Both are good companies as devs, but IMO bioware makes much better games. Also shame on you for calling Jade Empire not good.

Uninspired cup > video games is terms of entertainment.

btw enjoyed witcher 1 more than any of the bioware games.

Old Bioware >> CDPR

New Bioware << CDPR

Bioware has an incredible legacy. They've fumbled a bit in recent years, so going forward I'd trust CDPR more, but as of right now, Bioware gets the all time vote.

All CDPR does it put out masterpieces. The last great game Bioware put out was Mass Effect 2

CD Projekt has a good store, but I cant say I cared for any of their games. As for BioWare

• Baldur's Gate - Bad
• MDK2 - Never played
• Baldur's Gate II - One of the greatest RPGs ever made
• Baldur's Gate II: Throne Of Bhaal - High level D&D clusterfuck
• Neverwinter Nights - Good map editing tools. That is what it was.
• Neverwinter Nights: Shadows of Undrentide - Bad
• Neverwinter Nights: Hordes of the Underdark - Great
• KOTOR - Bad
• Jade Empire - Never Played
• Mass Effect - Pissed me off
• Mass Effect 2 - Bored me to tears
• Mass Effect 3 - Played Demo, couldnt care to play anymore
• Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood - Never Played
• Dragon Age: Origins - One of the worst games I ever played, but not the worst, that would be Uncharted
• Dragon Age 2 - Never Played
• Dragon Age 3 - Never Played
• Star Wars: Old Republic - Bad, but better than Guild Wars 2

Wow that's a tough one... both have produced some of my favourite games of all time. But I'll say Bioware, just because they've produced more games. But after Cyberpunk, that could easily change to CDPR.

You mean just the first Uncharted, right?

It isn't that good in many areas, and its morality system is a complete, utter, misfire. Bioware would then make the same mistake with ME1 and ME2, finally fixing it with ME3.

The problem was that they took a morality system that is about greyness, and made it black and white.

A game with many problems that critics and fans simply ignore. It is the worst in the trilogy narrative wise.