I didn't realize that an 8.0 meant "terrible", I always thought it meant "great"
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Same, i have yet to get the gameNot surprising at all, GT is a huge seller. I have yet to buy it though :(
lundy86_4
I hope we dont get a lot of damage control, it would be better if people just accepted GT is a massive seller and a quality series.TintedEyesWe know it sells well, and we know it's a quality series. It's just not as good as Forza :P
Well of course, but GT5 isn't just your run of the mill title. It's a massive franchise with AAA + Hype behind it.I didn't realize that an 8.0 meant "terrible", I always thought it meant "great"
svetzenlether
The best racing simulator available and the numbers show that many folks agree.TheMoreYouOwnGT name sells copies. Same for Halo etc.
Strong sales considering its only been out for over a month. I think it will hit 10 million in its lifetime. Also, people are milking the review scores so badly its not even funny. Why is everyone making out like GT5 is a huge flop? It isn't.
Yes it didn't meet the hype but only because people hyped it so much it was impossible to meet. Why does it always have to be huge success or huge flop with SW? I swear you fanboys just go from one extreme to the other, try and find the middle ground. The most important thing about GT5 is the gameplay and driving experience, which is still the best, even the GS review said it.
[QUOTE="TintedEyes"]I hope we dont get a lot of damage control, it would be better if people just accepted GT is a massive seller and a quality series.clone01compared to forza? no. Since when was this thread Gran Turismo vs. Forza 3? It is a massive seller, and it is a quality series. That it's the greatest racing game ever or not is totally irrelevant. Despite some flaws, I've had a lot of fun playing Gran Turismo 5. And I also own Forza 3 and have had fun with it. I don't know why people put games on pedestals. Did you enjoy the game? Yes or no. That is all that matters. And I was able to enjoy both games equally.
Mario Kart has sold more than 20 million copies.
It is the definitive racer of this gen.
Also, it seems rather odd cows accusing lemmings of damage control when this thread was clearly made as damage control itself for the fact GT5 flopped and failed to top Forza.
Good for PD, they deserve it. Got the game for Christmas and a G27 wheel, and have had a blast playing the game. I think the only reason I'm not dissapointed is because I wasn't as hyped as other people. Plus I've barely played Forza so GT5 is my first "sim" racer. If you're playing this game with a controller, you're doing it wrong ;)
[QUOTE="GodofEmpires"]This thread is full of people who didn't even play GT5 and hate it. Sure, the game didn't get 10 on GameSpot, but last I checked, an 8.0 still means its a great game.Mkavanaugh77Its a great game yeah, but failed to meet the hype of AAA Thats why its getting hated on
Nah its just that SWs members always hate the good and successful things (3DS, Kinect, CoD, Wii..etc) look at all the 3DS threads its full of hate for the system though no one tried it yet lol.
It usually does. but when one fanboy group Gurantee that it will be 10/10 sell 5 million copies its first day then 8.0 just isn't good enough...I didn't realize that an 8.0 meant "terrible", I always thought it meant "great"
svetzenlether
and they call us lemmings! imagine if thier AAAE games sold that good!qbell
you know you make a good point.
its a shame the better and more deserving PS3 exclusives dont sell as well as this.
It is? The majority of people here are saying they enjoyed the game but thye were annoyed by one or two flaws. Interestingly, thepersonal flaws seem to be different for different people, excluding the biggest flaws of course.This thread is full of GT5 hate lol and most likely haters who didn't even try the game.
Kashiwaba
Why is everyone making out like GT5 is a huge flop? It isn't.Asim90
[QUOTE="Asim90"]Why is everyone making out like GT5 is a huge flop? It isn't.foxhound_fox
I must say that this comment is objective criticism and a very fair point. I think GT5 is a fun game, but these points are undeniable.
Loving the double standards of xbox fanyboys. 'sales do not=quality'shabab12
Just like how ps3 fanboys state the same thing?
Its amazing how such a disappointing racer can sell that many copies on name alone. Just goes to show that sales have nothing to do with how good a game is.djsifer01it wasnt dissapointing for me :D i dont care about standard cars cuz i heard they are going to make standard cars to premium in next patch
Loving the double standards of xbox fanyboys. 'sales do not=quality'shabab12
Let's not pretend it wouldnt have sold 6 million even if it was a demo ...
It's the largest racing franchise on console is it not, why are we supposed to be impressed? Are Halo Numbers still impressive? I don't think so ... ODST sold tons and was an expansion.
When it's as good a game as Forza I'll be impressed.
[QUOTE="Asim90"]Why is everyone making out like GT5 is a huge flop? It isn't.foxhound_fox
He didn't actually say it was going to be perfect, he said he is a perfectionist, other developers say that but obviously there must be compromises. If Kaz had his choice I honestly think GT5 would still be in production for another entire year at least. Its obvious they were pushed into releasing it and I understand when people say they had enough time. However, one must understand that PD aren't a huge team and the game was rebuilt from scratch for the PS3. Anyone that says its GT4 HD is just being ignorant.
The main reason people say GT5 flopped is because of the standard cars, thats the MAIN reason. Yes, the standard cars are a flop there is no denying it. BUT, the gameplay is tuned to perfection and the driving experience is the best, even the reviews that bashed the game admitted that. I'm not saying GT5 didn't have short comings, it definitely did. However to dismiss it is as rubbish and a huge flop is stupid and unfair. Its still a great game and the it deserves its metacritic score.
Outside in the real world 84 is a solid score, not perfect but good none the less. Anyone that hyped it as 10/10 were simply asking to be disappointed.
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[QUOTE="Asim90"]Why is everyone making out like GT5 is a huge flop? It isn't.Asim90
The main reason people say GT5 flopped is because of the standard cars, thats the MAIN reason. Yes, the standard cars are a flop there is no denying it. BUT, the gameplay is tuned to perfection and the driving experience is the best, even the reviews that bashed the game admitted that. I'm not saying GT5 didn't have short comings, it definitely did. However to dismiss it is as rubbish and a huge flop is stupid and unfair. Its still a great game and the it deserves its metacritic score.
Will people stop calling it's physics perfect? They're far from. The driving experiance is ebat by several PC racing Sims, and beat quite badly too.
GT is a good console sim, it's not better then RacePro. It's a better game then RacePro though.
Neither GT not Forza can hold a candle to the REAL racing sims on PC, so why are we pretending they do? They can't even beat RacePro
I don't play the hype game, nor do I spend a lot of time in SW, but prior to the release of GT 5 I would have said "it's the last racing game you will ever need to buy". Thus, I would have implied a state of near perfection for the game. I was so disappointed. I still enjoy the game, I didn't run to trade it in, nor will I, but it's a failure to me.
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]
Kaz told us it was going to be this "perfect" game that broke all boundaries for racing games. It just turned out to be another Gran Turismo that was essentially unfinished and in a beta stage. It is a massive flop... and not just on System Wars. PD has been hyping everyone up for this game for several years now... and it comes out and barely does better than Prologue across all critical sites? That is a flop my friend. A big one.-Snooze-
The main reason people say GT5 flopped is because of the standard cars, thats the MAIN reason. Yes, the standard cars are a flop there is no denying it. BUT, the gameplay is tuned to perfection and the driving experience is the best, even the reviews that bashed the game admitted that. I'm not saying GT5 didn't have short comings, it definitely did. However to dismiss it is as rubbish and a huge flop is stupid and unfair. Its still a great game and the it deserves its metacritic score.
Will people stop calling it's physics perfect? They're far from. The driving experiance is ebat by several PC racing Sims, and beat quite badly too.
GT is a good console sim, it's not better then RacePro. It's a better game then RacePro though.
Neither GT not Forza can hold a candle to the REAL racing sims on PC, so why are we pretending they do? They can't even beat RacePro
I'm so sick of PC fanboy's injecting themselves and the letters "PC" into everything despite the fact it's not really relevant.
[QUOTE="TintedEyes"]I hope we dont get a lot of damage control, it would be better if people just accepted GT is a massive seller and a quality series.WilliamRLBakerIt is a massive seller, it is a AA franchise and series though.
Counting the main games in the series, it's a AAA game. Unless your life is ruled by GS.
Quality either way you look at it.
[QUOTE="svetzenlether"]It usually does. but when one fanboy group Gurantee that it will be 10/10 sell 5 million copies its first day then 8.0 just isn't good enough... Except we don't live in the "system wars" idea of the world, we live in the real world. And in the real world GT5 was a success.I didn't realize that an 8.0 meant "terrible", I always thought it meant "great"
WilliamRLBaker
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[QUOTE="Asim90"]
The main reason people say GT5 flopped is because of the standard cars, thats the MAIN reason. Yes, the standard cars are a flop there is no denying it. BUT, the gameplay is tuned to perfection and the driving experience is the best, even the reviews that bashed the game admitted that. I'm not saying GT5 didn't have short comings, it definitely did. However to dismiss it is as rubbish and a huge flop is stupid and unfair. Its still a great game and the it deserves its metacritic score.
Kiyobear
Will people stop calling it's physics perfect? They're far from. The driving experiance is ebat by several PC racing Sims, and beat quite badly too.
GT is a good console sim, it's not better then RacePro. It's a better game then RacePro though.
Neither GT not Forza can hold a candle to the REAL racing sims on PC, so why are we pretending they do? They can't even beat RacePro
I'm so sick of PC fanboy's injecting themselves and the letters "PC" into everything despite the fact it's not really relevant.
I'm so far from a PC fanboy it's silly.
The fact of the matter is, claiming GT has perfect physics brings into relevence other racing sims. It just so happens that the PC has FAR superior racing sims.
The Xbox 360has Race Pro which a superior racing sim.
I'm so sick of PC fanboy's injecting themselves and the letters "PC" into everything despite the fact it's not really relevant.
Kiyobear
What are you talking about? He's clearly outlining that if the physics are perfect, how then can certain games have better physics. If those games are on the PC, then i'd say it's relevant to the point to include that.
It is a massive seller, it is a AA franchise and series though.[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="TintedEyes"]I hope we dont get a lot of damage control, it would be better if people just accepted GT is a massive seller and a quality series.Chutebox
Counting the main games in the series, it's a AAA game. Unless your life is ruled by GS.
Quality either way you look at it.
I would say that GT 5 is the main game in the series. Longest development time and on the current generation system. Really, if you look at the last two GT releases, not even counting GT PSP, it's not longer a AAA franchise.
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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] It is a massive seller, it is a AA franchise and series though.Kiyobear
Counting the main games in the series, it's a AAA game. Unless your life is ruled by GS.
Quality either way you look at it.
I would say that GT 5 is the main game in the series. Longest development time and on the current generation system. Really, if you look at the last two GT releases, not even counting GT PSP, it's not longer a AAA franchise.
Well ya, if you ignore the AAA games in the series it is of course AA...Please Log In to post.
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