CES 2010: Sony reveals GT5 sold 5.5 Million

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[QUOTE="Asim90"]Why is everyone making out like GT5 is a huge flop? It isn't.Asim90

He didn't actually say it was going to be perfect, he said he is a perfectionist, other developers say that but obviously there must be compromises. If Kaz had his choice I honestly think GT5 would still be in production for another entire year at least. Its obvious they were pushed into releasing it and I understand when people say they had enough time. However, one must understand that PD aren't a huge team and the game was rebuilt from scratch for the PS3. Anyone that says its GT4 HD is just being ignorant.

The main reason people say GT5 flopped is because of the standard cars, thats the MAIN reason. Yes, the standard cars are a flop there is no denying it. BUT, the gameplay is tuned to perfection and the driving experience is the best, even the reviews that bashed the game admitted that. I'm not saying GT5 didn't have short comings, it definitely did. However to dismiss it is as rubbish and a huge flop is stupid and unfair. Its still a great game and the it deserves its metacritic score.

Outside in the real world 84 is a solid score, not perfect but good none the less. Anyone that hyped it as 10/10 were simply asking to be disappointed.

nope theres a lot more than that. Gran turismo has been the racing sim king before Forza came along for many many years. It sold millions and became a well known and well established franchise. Naturally if the next game in the series didn't live up to the hype the floppage and backlash would be stronger. There's a reason why not many people are excited for the new Zelda you know.

Then there's the fact Turn 10 releasedthree AAA forza games in between GT4 and GT5, and are making another set for release this year. Comparatively, the fact it took Polyphony 6 years to produce the flop that is GT5 added more to its floppage.

And then there's the fact this is the first current gen, HD iteration of Gran Turismo.

In the past flops have not been spared, and GT5 gets no special treatment. Besides, as the hype thread set the hype at AAA, its a flop on SW.

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[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

Counting the main games in the series, it's a AAA game. Unless your life is ruled by GS.

Quality either way you look at it.

Chutebox

I would say that GT 5 is the main game in the series. Longest development time and on the current generation system. Really, if you look at the last two GT releases, not even counting GT PSP, it's not longer a AAA franchise.

Ok, when was the last AAA GT game? Did GT PSP score AAA here? If not you're going back to GT 4, which is how many years ago now?

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="Kiyobear"]

I would say that GT 5 is the main game in the series. Longest development time and on the current generation system. Really, if you look at the last two GT releases, not even counting GT PSP, it's not longer a AAA franchise.

Kiyobear

Ok, when was the last AAA GT game? Did GT PSP score AAA here? If not you're going back to GT 4, which is how many years ago now?

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[QUOTE="Chutebox"] Well ya, if you ignore the AAA games in the series it is of course AA...Chutebox

Ok, when was the last AAA GT game? Did GT PSP score AAA here? If not you're going back to GT 4, which is how many years ago now?

That's a cop out. The last three GT games released in the Franchise failed to score AAA; and it's been years since there was a AAA GT. Has it been over half a decade?

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="Kiyobear"]

Ok, when was the last AAA GT game? Did GT PSP score AAA here? If not you're going back to GT 4, which is how many years ago now?

Kiyobear

That's a cop out. The last three GT games released in the Franchise failed to score AAA; and it's been years since there was a AAA GT. Has it been over half a decade?

Yeah I bought a copy.

Love the game. Exaggerated = the word of the day when you are reading any complaints about GT5.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="Kiyobear"]

Ok, when was the last AAA GT game? Did GT PSP score AAA here? If not you're going back to GT 4, which is how many years ago now?

Kiyobear

That's a cop out. The last three GT games released in the Franchise failed to score AAA; and it's been years since there was a AAA GT. Has it been over half a decade?

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[QUOTE="Chutebox"] I said I was counting only the main additions, which is GT1-5.campzor

That's a cop out. The last three GT games released in the Franchise failed to score AAA; and it's been years since there was a AAA GT. Has it been over half a decade?

[QUOTE="campzor"][QUOTE="Kiyobear"]

That's a cop out. The last three GT games released in the Franchise failed to score AAA; and it's been years since there was a AAA GT. Has it been over half a decade?

Chutebox

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[QUOTE="Chutebox"] I said I was counting only the main additions, which is GT1-5.campzor

That's a cop out. The last three GT games released in the Franchise failed to score AAA; and it's been years since there was a AAA GT. Has it been over half a decade?

I am not up to date on what the recent Halo games have scored but if it's been years since there was a AAA game then yes, that would apply to Halo as well.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="campzor"] does that mean halo is no longer an AAA franchise?campzor

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="campzor"] does that mean halo is no longer an AAA franchise?campzor

If they are still scroing AAA you're not making sense. I was under the impression that Halo 1&2 were AAA. As far as I know, and I could be wrong, Halo has scored AAA in the past and the present. If that is the case I wonder why you chose that game to use an example.

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[QUOTE="Chutebox"] Well Halo is still scoring AAA.Chutebox

It's been over half a decade since the release of a AAA GT and three games have been release since that time which have failed to score AAA. I would say GT has to prove itself again. I still like GT, so when GT 6 rolls out I will be there to buy it, but it needs to prove itself AAA again.

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[QUOTE="Chutebox"] Well Halo is still scoring AAA.Kiyobear

If they are still scroing AAA you're not making sense. I was under the impression that Halo 1&2 were AAA. As far as I know, and I could be wrong, Halo as scored AAA in the past and the present. If that is the case I wonder why you chose that game to use an example.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="campzor"]true but he is using the WHOLE franchise in his argument.. therefore i would use halo wars as ammo (i dont care if its not the same genre)

Kiyobear

It's been over half a decade since the release of a AAA GT and three games have been release since that time which have failed to score AAA. I would say GT has to prove itself again. I still like GT, so when GT 6 rolls out I will be there to buy it, but it needs to prove itself AAA again.

gran turismo is the halo of the ps3. of course it will sell well. The only difference between gtf and halo reach is that halo reach isnt utter trash:D

sinpkr

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[QUOTE="campzor"]true but he is using the WHOLE franchise in his argument.. therefore i would use halo wars as ammo (i dont care if its not the same genre)

campzor

If they are still scroing AAA you're not making sense. I was under the impression that Halo 1&2 were AAA. As far as I know, and I could be wrong, Halo as scored AAA in the past and the present. If that is the case I wonder why you chose that game to use an example.

I think it should. Especially in the racing genre, which doesn't hold up well. I loved GT on the PSone, one of my favorite racing games of all time. I could never play the original GT, though. GT3&4 were awesome, too. Still, that was a long time ago.

Still, ANY game franchise that goes this long without a AAA and is still releasing games is not AAA franchise.

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[QUOTE="Chutebox"] Oh, you could use ODST too then.Chutebox

It's been over half a decade since the release of a AAA GT and three games have been release since that time which have failed to score AAA. I would say GT has to prove itself again. I still like GT, so when GT 6 rolls out I will be there to buy it, but it needs to prove itself AAA again.

If you say "franchise" I think it's only fair, and proper, to consider every game that carries the name.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="Kiyobear"]

It's been over half a decade since the release of a AAA GT and three games have been release since that time which have failed to score AAA. I would say GT has to prove itself again. I still like GT, so when GT 6 rolls out I will be there to buy it, but it needs to prove itself AAA again.

Kiyobear

If you say "franchise" I think it's only fair, and proper, to consider every game that carries the name.

I hope we dont get a lot of damage control, it would be better if people just accepted GT is a massive seller and a quality series.TintedEyes

I rather play gt5 then any other half assed arcade game, or perhaps i just like half assed sims more.

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Kaz told us it was going to be this "perfect" game that broke all boundaries for racing games. It just turned out to be another Gran Turismo that was essentially unfinished and in a beta stage. It is a massive flop... and not just on System Wars. PD has been hyping everyone up for this game for several years now... and it comes out and barely does better than Prologue across all critical sites? That is a flop my friend. A big one.

FatCatPatRat

He didn't actually say it was going to be perfect, he said he is a perfectionist, other developers say that but obviously there must be compromises. If Kaz had his choice I honestly think GT5 would still be in production for another entire year at least. Its obvious they were pushed into releasing it and I understand when people say they had enough time. However, one must understand that PD aren't a huge team and the game was rebuilt from scratch for the PS3. Anyone that says its GT4 HD is just being ignorant.

The main reason people say GT5 flopped is because of the standard cars, thats the MAIN reason. Yes, the standard cars are a flop there is no denying it. BUT, the gameplay is tuned to perfection and the driving experience is the best, even the reviews that bashed the game admitted that. I'm not saying GT5 didn't have short comings, it definitely did. However to dismiss it is as rubbish and a huge flop is stupid and unfair. Its still a great game and the it deserves its metacritic score.

Outside in the real world 84 is a solid score, not perfect but good none the less. Anyone that hyped it as 10/10 were simply asking to be disappointed.

nope theres a lot more than that. Gran turismo has been the racing sim king before Forza came along for many many years. It sold millions and became a well known and well established franchise. Naturally if the next game in the series didn't live up to the hype the floppage and backlash would be stronger. There's a reason why not many people are excited for the new Zelda you know.

Then there's the fact Turn 10 releasedthree AAA forza games in between GT4 and GT5, and are making another set for release this year. Comparatively, the fact it took Polyphony 6 years to produce the flop that is GT5 added more to its floppage.

And then there's the fact this is the first current gen, HD iteration of Gran Turismo.

In the past flops have not been spared, and GT5 gets no special treatment. Besides, as the hype thread set the hype at AAA, its a flop on SW.

You're all missing the point, I'm not saying GT5 was perfect, it flopped in some areas, I totally agree with that. However, loads of you are blowing it out of proportion and saying the game itself is crap and awful which just is not true. It flopped in some areas but excelled in others. Someone mentioned Turn 10 and the Forza franchise.

To them I say you are also right, Forza is a great series and Turn 10 have indeed put out more games. Turn 10 are also double the size of Polyphony and reused a lot of assets from previous games too. However, you also need to judge a game on its own merits. GT5 was a disappointment to me to, I expected more. But a bad game it is not.

I'll be more impressed if it were 5 more million...and I'm not one of them!

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="TintedEyes"]I hope we dont get a lot of damage control, it would be better if people just accepted GT is a massive seller and a quality series.incuensuocha

awesome.......but sales wont help the fact it was a letdown. i mean, didnt Phantom Menace make a lot of money at the box office just cause it was star wars? it didnt help it from sucking neither

todd2r

uh... did anyone else point out that its actually CES 2011 not CES2010 yet?Silenthps

Nope, people were too busy pointing out GT5 is a flop. Which it is. A flop. A big one.

[spoiler] flop [/spoiler]

You're all missing the point, I'm not saying GT5 was perfect, it flopped in some areas, I totally agree with that. However, loads of you are blowing it out of proportion and saying the game itself is crap and awful which just is not true. It flopped in some areas but excelled in others. Someone mentioned Turn 10 and the Forza franchise.

To them I say you are also right, Forza is a great series and Turn 10 have indeed put out more games. Turn 10 are also double the size of Polyphony and reused a lot of assets from previous games too. However, you also need to judge a game on its own merits. GT5 was a disappointment to me to, I expected more. But a bad game it is not.

Asim90

I am sorry; I am not sure why you mentioned that. GT5 is the most egregious offender when it comes to reusing assests. In fact, they used the exact same assets from GT3 and GT4 (standard cars).

Well deserved. Awesome, awesome racer.

I have 5 friends on at most times, we're constantly doing online, swapping cars, discussing cars/setups ... tons-o-fun. With a wheel its all that much better.

And yet, some people are disappointed.... odd. One of my friends is an "arcade" racer guy, he's having trouble "getting" how to drive, he is the only one with any complaints.

is this ps3 sales only?

or ps3 + psp?

is this ps3 sales only?

or ps3 + psp?

KBFloYd

There is no GT5 on PSP for god sake lol the one on PSP is called GT portable and it sold about 2 mils only.

Well deserved. Awesome, awesome racer.

I have 5 friends on at most times, we're constantly doing online, swapping cars, discussing cars/setups ... tons-o-fun. With a wheel its all that much better.

And yet, some people are disappointed.... odd. One of my friends is an "arcade" racer guy, he's having trouble "getting" how to drive, he is the only one with any complaints.

haberman13

Why would your "arcade" racer friend have trouble with GT5?GT5 is one of the most accessible GT games every made.

who said shooters were the only seller id let karma bite them real hard cause its clear that shooters is not the best sellers this gen except cod and 007 -which sold over 2 m -goldeneye

the top seller is actually a sports compilation on the wii lol then theres mariokart ds wii nsmb etc so ya not only shooters get there its big franchise names

its to be expected

I personally was waiting for GT5 like crazy..

With so many years of hyping and waiting , and a mediocre semi-title ( prologue ) to play while waiting , i was expecting the best racing game experience ever made/had.. With each cancelation my hype was even more since i was thinking they making it even better , so be it...

The fact is , GT5 DIDNT deliver what supposed to...period... To me it is the best simulation game there is and has the most photorealistic cars up todate but thats as far as it go..... It didnt make me wow ( i saw photorealistic cars before ) and weve seen nice "simulation" driving already with prologue and why not forza..

Conclusion? DP deserves those sales , its a well respected company and GT5 was a very good game.. But overall didnt make it to wow critics nor most of the gaming community like Forza did and that should be an indicator for GT6 and not sales.