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#1 dgsag
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These are some work-in-progress screenshots from 3DMark Vantage, the next PC benchmarking tool from Futuremark, using the latest DX10 technology. These guys just opened up a game studio and this engine will be used in their games...

Buh-bye, Mr. Cell... :lol:

Yes, gentlemen, this is rendered in real-time, and will be used to test systems and benchmark them this year...

Good luck getting Crysis graphics any time soon, this is where PC gaming's going in the near future. :D

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#2 Greyhound222
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This looks like teh secks.Futuremark had little mini-games in the last one too.
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#3 AIH_PSP
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Interesting.... Good luck waiting for the 9800 and $800 to run this. I'll just be here playing my PS3.
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#4 Greyhound222
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Interesting.... Good luck waiting for the 9800 and $800 to run this. I'll just be here playing my PS3.AIH_PSP
I;m sure it can be run on today's hardware.It's a benchmarking program,hence it's ultra-optimized.
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#5 cobrax25
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I wonder if the game futermark is making is a spcae sim?
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#6 MetroidPrimePwn
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Since that's a benchmarking program and not an actual game, we probably won't be seeing graphics like that in a game with the scale of a game like Crysis for like 2 years.
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#8 Lonelynight
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*awaits people flooding here and bringing up the price arguament*
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#9 dgsag
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Since that's a benchmarking program and not an actual game, we probably won't be seeing graphics like that in a game with the scale of a game like Crysis for like 2 years.MetroidPrimePwn

Crysis looked vastly better than 3DMark06, and that was only a year after.

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[QUOTE="AIH_PSP"]Interesting.... Good luck waiting for the 9800 and $800 to run this. I'll just be here playing my PS3.Dynafrom

Inferior being

Any reason for that?

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#11 Truffle-Shuffle
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Doesn't look that great. It's just a spaceship in space.
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#12 dgsag
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Doesn't look that great. It's just a spaceship in space.Truffle-Shuffle

Halo's just a guy in power armor kicking alien ass. Nothing special.

What game (specifically one with spaceships) have you seen that looks even close to this?

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#13 0rin
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Color me unimpressed. I really don't know what to tell you. It looks pretty and all, but honestly, It doesn't look like anything consoles couldn't do, or at least come close to. unless I'm missing something? I mean, There is no doubt in my mind that the PC has far more capability of outputting hands down the best graphics, thats not in question here.

But this benchmark leaves a lot to be desired.
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[QUOTE="Truffle-Shuffle"]Doesn't look that great. It's just a spaceship in space.dgsag

Halo's just a guy in power armor kicking alien ass. Nothing special.

What game (specifically one with spaceships) have you seen that looks even close to this?

everyone knows halo's graphics arent great though.

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Doesn't look that great. It's just a spaceship in space.Truffle-Shuffle

Halo is just a guy in the universe

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#16 saspool
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Have a look at http://www.infinity-universe.com/Infinity/, its an MMORPG similar to the screens above.

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#17 Ninja-Vox
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Very nice. Though i pity the art team that has to draw all that. :P
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#18 beast667
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all that does is remind me of how badly i need to upgrade my PC :(
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[QUOTE="Truffle-Shuffle"]Doesn't look that great. It's just a spaceship in space.dgsag

Halo's just a guy in power armor kicking alien ass. Nothing special.

What game (specifically one with spaceships) have you seen that looks even close to this?

Some of the Rouge Squarden games looked pretty good.

Benchmark tools don't include A.I and other stuff so it's not a true bencmark of what you'll be seeing

P.S. I did play Crysis, I remember the names Psycho, and Prophet. I only played it once through which is why I don't remember everything.

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#20 InsaneBasura
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Bragging about the graphics in a tech demo seems kinda silly to me. And sure that ship looks ridiculous, but it's just one ship in a bunch of nothingness. Like I said, it's a tech demo. No different than the Molina head.

Show me an actual game with those visuals, then I'll be impressed.

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#21 InsaneBasura
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[QUOTE="Truffle-Shuffle"]Doesn't look that great. It's just a spaceship in space.dgsag

Halo's just a guy in power armor kicking alien ass. Nothing special.

What game (specifically one with spaceships) have you seen that looks even close to this?

[QUOTE="Truffle-Shuffle"]Doesn't look that great. It's just a spaceship in space.Lonelynight

Halo is just a guy in the universe

Congratulations, you've completely missed the point he was trying to make. Halo also contains these things called objects other than a guy. Like environments and NPC's and AI and physics and other kinds of game data. Because it's an actual game, as opposed to this benchmarking program.

What I'm saying is that your comparison is stupid and makes no sense.

And dgsag. What game (specifically one with spaceships) have you seen that looks even close to this?

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#22 Truffle-Shuffle
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here is my PC specs for the non believers

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#23 saolin323
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I do not get it, are those garbage pics supposed to look good ?
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#24 rimnet00
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here is my PC specs for the non believers

Truffle-Shuffle

Why arey ou running 32bit Vista, when you have a 64 bit procesor? The 32bit version is a lot less supported then the 64 bit version, specifically considering most peope have 64bit processors now adays. It is also rather odd you are using 3 gigs of ram, since it means you have 3 sticks of memory. This is actually counterproductive, since even though you have more ram, your are causing bandwidth issues since DDR ram works in pairs. You should probably throw in your video card panel as well.

I assume you bought this computer instead of putting it together?

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#25 Supafly1
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If they want to impress with graphics then do one object rendering with a white or black background. That's where you can bump the detail to the max just on one object. Kinda like when Sony showed and old man's face rendered on the PS2.
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#26 rimnet00
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I would like to point out. That many consolites will likely not appreciate those graphics, as they probably do not see what PC gamers can see. Look how many polygons that ship is made up of. The number of onscreen polygons is unheard of. Then look at the number of dynamic lights that are being given off. Then look at amount of shader and particle effects.

To appreciate these images, you need to understand a bit about how video cards work. If you are able to appreciate them, you would get a better idea of how they would look in motion. You would also be able to get an idea what this means for the future of gaming.

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#27 Always-Honest
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it's not a game yet. and good luck with the next 600 dollar upgrade...

would i like to play games in that quality? hell yes! Would i like to upgrade my pc that often without certain results?. no.

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I would like to point out. That many consolites will likely not appreciate those graphics, as they probably do not see what PC gamers can see. Look how many polygons that ship is made up of. The number of onscreen polygons is unheard of. Then look at the number of dynamic lights that are being given off. Then look at amount of shader and particle effects.

To appreciate these images, you need to understand a bit about how video cards work. If you are able to appreciate them, you would get a better idea of how they would look in motion. You would also be able to get an idea what this means for the future of gaming.

rimnet00

actually it seems to be hermits that refuse to admit graphics will get better than crysis.

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#29 PBSnipes
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Why are we bragging about tech demos?
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#30 Haee
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3D Mark is a benchmark program and it's graphical demonstration should not be taken into account IMO.

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#31 skrat_01
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The screens are nice, but the thread title is a bit unecassary at the moment, im sure console gamers are sick of having 'PC visuals FTW' thrown at them on a regular basis, rather than debates or discussion

P.S. I did play Crysis, I remember the names Psycho, and Prophet. I only played it once through which is why I don't remember everything.

Truffle-Shuffle

Your Crysis 'knowledge' seemed to be shot down in another thread - from what I read.

I have only played through the entire game once and know it well.... Its not the most complex FPS, nor the easiest to forget.

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#32 rimnet00
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[QUOTE="rimnet00"]

I would like to point out. That many consolites will likely not appreciate those graphics, as they probably do not see what PC gamers can see. Look how many polygons that ship is made up of. The number of onscreen polygons is unheard of. Then look at the number of dynamic lights that are being given off. Then look at amount of shader and particle effects.

To appreciate these images, you need to understand a bit about how video cards work. If you are able to appreciate them, you would get a better idea of how they would look in motion. You would also be able to get an idea what this means for the future of gaming.

marklarmer

actually it seems to be hermits that refuse to admit graphics will get better than crysis.

Then those are some very ill informed hermits. ;) I agree with them that the CryEngine 2 is amazing. In fact, it is getting improved consistantly, which would mean Crysis 2 will look better then the first. However, graphical innovation doesn't stop, it only continues to get better. Heck, Moore's law is theorized to last another 10-15 years.

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#33 skrat_01
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actually it seems to be hermits that refuse to admit graphics will get better than crysis.

marklarmer
Out of all fanboys im sure Hermits know the best that PC visuals are always improving the most rapidly, because of both software and hardware....
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#34 Vandalvideo
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[QUOTE="rimnet00"]

I would like to point out. That many consolites will likely not appreciate those graphics, as they probably do not see what PC gamers can see. Look how many polygons that ship is made up of. The number of onscreen polygons is unheard of. Then look at the number of dynamic lights that are being given off. Then look at amount of shader and particle effects.

To appreciate these images, you need to understand a bit about how video cards work. If you are able to appreciate them, you would get a better idea of how they would look in motion. You would also be able to get an idea what this means for the future of gaming.

marklarmer

actually it seems to be hermits that refuse to admit graphics will get better than crysis.

Of course graphics will get better than Crysis......on the PC.
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#35 Truffle-Shuffle
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[QUOTE="Truffle-Shuffle"]

here is my PC specs for the non believers

rimnet00

Why arey ou running 32bit Vista, when you have a 64 bit procesor? The 32bit version is a lot less supported then the 64 bit version, specifically considering most peope have 64bit processors now adays. It is also rather odd you are using 3 gigs of ram, since it means you have 3 sticks of memory. This is actually counterproductive, since even though you have more ram, your are causing bandwidth issues since DDR ram works in pairs. You should probably throw in your video card panel as well.

I assume you bought this computer instead of putting it together?

A Intel quad core processer uses the 64 bit version cause I thought that was only the AMD ones that did

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The screens are nice, but the thread title is a bit unecassary at the moment, im sure console gamers are sick of having 'PC visuals FTW' thrown at them on a regular basis, rather than debates or discussion

[QUOTE="Truffle-Shuffle"]

P.S. I did play Crysis, I remember the names Psycho, and Prophet. I only played it once through which is why I don't remember everything.

skrat_01

Your Crysis 'knowledge' seemed to be shot down in another thread - from what I read.

I have only played through the entire game once and know it well.... Its not the most complex FPS, nor the easiest to forget.

Go look at my specs and It wasn't like the story was so in depth that I would want to remember everything. I am sure of what I told happened in the game and I didn't go to some sight to get info on it. Think what you want - I don't care!

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#37 marklarmer
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[QUOTE="marklarmer"][QUOTE="rimnet00"]

I would like to point out. That many consolites will likely not appreciate those graphics, as they probably do not see what PC gamers can see. Look how many polygons that ship is made up of. The number of onscreen polygons is unheard of. Then look at the number of dynamic lights that are being given off. Then look at amount of shader and particle effects.

To appreciate these images, you need to understand a bit about how video cards work. If you are able to appreciate them, you would get a better idea of how they would look in motion. You would also be able to get an idea what this means for the future of gaming.

Vandalvideo

actually it seems to be hermits that refuse to admit graphics will get better than crysis.

Of course graphics will get better than Crysis......on the PC.

obviously, that wasnt my point, but i think people shouldnt write these screens off just because they dont apply to a game yet.

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[QUOTE="marklarmer"]

actually it seems to be hermits that refuse to admit graphics will get better than crysis.

skrat_01

Out of all fanboys im sure Hermits know the best that PC visuals are always improving the most rapidly, because of both software and hardware....

What a nerdy answer and that is why even though I play PC games(Crysis, The Witcher, and STALKER) I refuse to be part of your little click cause you act like know it alls or something. Playing computer games don't make you any smarter than console ones.

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[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="marklarmer"]

actually it seems to be hermits that refuse to admit graphics will get better than crysis.

Truffle-Shuffle

Out of all fanboys im sure Hermits know the best that PC visuals are always improving the most rapidly, because of both software and hardware....

What a nerdy answer and that is why even though I play PC games(Crysis, The Witcher, and STALKER) I refuse to be part of your little click cause you act like know it alls or something. Playing computer games don't make you any smarter than console ones.

Its clique, and your overgeneralizations don't mean jack. Not all PC gamers are know it alls, and the consoles have just as many of them. As a matter of fact, I have more trouble with the console community. The 360 is full of fratties that make animal house sounds on live, the PS3 is a bunch of strange people who compliment way too much and I think they're child molestors, and the wii.....we'll the Wii doesn't really have a big online community. I'd chose the PC community any day. Its much more diverse.
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#40 rimnet00
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Go look at my specs and It wasn't like the story was so in depth that I would want to remember everything. I am sure of what I told happened in the game and I didn't go to some sight to get info on it. Think what you want - I don't care!

Truffle-Shuffle

Yes. The those Intel makes 64 bit processors, including the one you have. Also, your specs are meaningless without showing your video card. Do this... go to Start->Run, type "dxdiag" and take a screenshot of the System and Display tabs. What you screenshotted means nothing.

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bu bu bu teh cell :cry: teh blu ray :cry:
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[QUOTE="Truffle-Shuffle"][QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="marklarmer"]

actually it seems to be hermits that refuse to admit graphics will get better than crysis.

Vandalvideo

Out of all fanboys im sure Hermits know the best that PC visuals are always improving the most rapidly, because of both software and hardware....

What a nerdy answer and that is why even though I play PC games(Crysis, The Witcher, and STALKER) I refuse to be part of your little click cause you act like know it alls or something. Playing computer games don't make you any smarter than console ones.

Its clique, and your overgeneralizations don't mean jack. Not all PC gamers are know it alls, and the consoles have just as many of them. As a matter of fact, I have more trouble with the console community. The 360 is full of fratties that make animal house sounds on live, the PS3 is a bunch of strange people who compliment way too much and I think they're child molestors, and the wii.....we'll the Wii doesn't really have a big online community. I'd chose the PC community any day. Its much more diverse.



Don't let the trolls get to you Vandal, it's not worth it.
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#43 rimnet00
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[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="marklarmer"]

actually it seems to be hermits that refuse to admit graphics will get better than crysis.

Truffle-Shuffle

Out of all fanboys im sure Hermits know the best that PC visuals are always improving the most rapidly, because of both software and hardware....

What a nerdy answer and that is why even though I play PC games(Crysis, The Witcher, and STALKER) I refuse to be part of your little click cause you act like know it alls or something. Playing computer games don't make you any smarter than console ones.

It's not a nerdy answer. It's also nothing to do with a clique. The fact is, PC gamers naturally learn about hardware, because it benefits them. It's because we mostly build our own computers instead of buying a box that plays games. This is the equivalent to saying a race car driver knows more about engines then someone who buys a performance car.

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Who cares...really?
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With current gen cards you probably will be running that benchmark at under 20 FPS and the next gen cards will probably get around 30. Next gen cards will probably cost atleast $500 + cost of the other hardware to go along with the card. Sure, I won't lie, PC graphics will accel ahead of console graphics. But as the saying goes, you get what you paid for. And for the $300 I paid for my 360 and $275 I paid for my PS3, I'm quite satisfied with their graphics.
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Don't let the trolls get to you Vandal, it's not worth it. Teufelhuhn
He isn't, those are just the general observations and realizations I've come to since I've started gaming.
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#47 Vandalvideo
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With current gen cards you probably will be running that benchmark at under 20 FPS and the next gen cards will probably get around 30. Next gen cards will probably cost atleast $500 + cost of the other hardware to go along with the card. Sure, I won't lie, PC graphics will accel ahead of console graphics. But as the saying goes, you get what you paid for. And for the $300 I paid for my 360 and $275 I paid for my PS3, I'm quite satisfied with their graphics.EXLINK
They're going to have budget next gen cards that are going to be powerful enough. Heck, the 9600 that was announced is only going to cost 160 bucks, and is way more pwoerful than the 8800.
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[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]Don't let the trolls get to you Vandal, it's not worth it. Vandalvideo
He isn't, those are just the general observations and realizations I've come to since I've started gaming.

Did you just say "Child molesters"?
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]Don't let the trolls get to you Vandal, it's not worth it. Greyhound222
He isn't, those are just the general observations and realizations I've come to since I've started gaming.

Did you just say "Child molesters"?

I said, "The PS3 community is a bunch of strange people who compliment you way too much, and remind me of child predators". I came to this conclusion by playing Warhawk. People would randomly say, "Amazing shot van!" and I'd be all......"Thanks?". This would happen way too often and it was strange to say the least. I felt violated.
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#50 CreepyBacon
Member since 2005 • 3183 Posts

You mean i wont get to play that on my console?!?

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...Ah well. *looks out window* Yep, worlds still spinning, it's not ended yet.