Cliffy B: all shooters should have dedicated srevers from here on out....

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At the Comic-Con Gears 3 Panel, Cliff Blezinzski said that all shooters should have dedicated servers from here on out. Do you think Epic realized the problems they had with host advantage in Gears 1 & 2? I for one hope that other developers do make the effort to have dedicared servers on consoles, as there are only a handful of games not on PC to support them. (last one I played was Rainbow Six Vegas 2)

Discuss.

I'm glad they added Dedicated Servers, that was the main issue with Gears 1 and 2. I can't wait for Gears of War 3!

Epic knew the problems with host advantage before Gears even released. Unreal Tournament is their franchise after all.

I'm looking forward to see him back that up.

As funny as it is to hear him say that he pretty much just said, "games with multiplayer should work well." So, yes, I agree. Not sure what there is to discuss, I don't see anyone posting no I don't want dedicated servers.Legolas_Katarn

Apparently for some people browsing a server list is a hassle, as ridiculous as that may sound.

Next Gears game on PS3 confirmed.

From here out? Try 6 or 7 years ago. Yes from here out it should be absolutely mandatory.

Next Gears game on PS3 confirmed.

dream431ca

Hahaha Good one!

Next Gears game on PS3 confirmed.

dream431ca

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Next Gears game on PS3 confirmed.

lawlessx

Eh, I think he's just trying to start a Lem outrage. Saying The next Gears will be on PS3 Is bound to spark controversy, esspecially if it's not true.

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Next Gears game on PS3 confirmed.

lawlessx

Because PS3 is the only console that has dedicated servers, aside from PC ;)

[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Next Gears game on PS3 confirmed.

dream431ca

Because PS3 is the only console that has dedicated servers, aside from PC ;)

perfect dark zero, L4D1-2,frontlines..off the top of my head all use dedicated servers...and gears of war 3 will also be using the,

Except on the consoles, the dedicated servers are based on the lifespan of the console. Led_poison

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[QUOTE="lawlessx"] how does that connect with what he said?lawlessx

Because PS3 is the only console that has dedicated servers, aside from PC ;)

I'm not gonna turn this thread into a war so I'll just leave it at that :D

its not that easy, whos going to pay for them? console gamers? no, the publishers/devs? maybe for a few big name games and first party titles

console gamers dont even what dedicated servers are, just like they dont know what optimization is

[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Next Gears game on PS3 confirmed.

Because PS3 is the only console that has dedicated servers, aside from PC ;)

[QUOTE="Led_poison"]Except on the consoles, the dedicated servers are based on the lifespan of the console. WilliamRLBaker

[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Because PS3 is the only console that has dedicated servers, aside from PC ;)

I'm not gonna turn this thread into a war so I'll just leave it at that :D

[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Because PS3 is the only console that has dedicated servers, aside from PC ;)

dream431ca

I'm not gonna turn this thread into a war so I'll just leave it at that :D

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="Led_poison"]Except on the consoles, the dedicated servers are based on the lifespan of the console. ferret-gamer

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="Led_poison"]Except on the consoles, the dedicated servers are based on the lifespan of the console. ferret-gamer

Diablo 1 is still up, Halo Wars isnt

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] except on pc the dedicated servers are based upon the life span of the games popularity... official servers usually shut down, user made ones shut down once those users move onto other games.HaloinventedFPS

Diablo 1 is still up, Halo Wars isnt

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="Led_poison"]Except on the consoles, the dedicated servers are based on the lifespan of the console. ferret-gamer

Which is still waaaaay better than having it controlled by the console's lifespan or however long the publisher/developer feels like paying for them.ferret-gamer

Diablo 1 is still up, Halo Wars isnt

[QUOTE="Led_poison"]Except on the consoles, the dedicated servers are based on the lifespan of the console. WilliamRLBaker

Like Doom or Quake, right?

And that wouldn't happen on consoles either, right?

:lol: What a complete joke.

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Diablo 1 is still up, Halo Wars isnt

Plagueless

actually i think fans were able to conviced microsoft to keep the leaderboard..i may be wrong though

[QUOTE="Plagueless"][QUOTE="lawlessx"] halowars was never shut down..lawlessx

actually i think fans were able to conviced microsoft to keep the leaderboard..i may be wrong though

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[QUOTE="Plagueless"] More ignorance. You guys just dont read well do you? Halo Wars only lost leaderboard support, not online play.Plagueless

actually i think fans were able to conviced microsoft to keep the leaderboard..i may be wrong though

haha RTS on console

the only reason Halo Wars sold 2million copies was because children thought it was an FPS

[QUOTE="Plagueless"][QUOTE="lawlessx"]

actually i think fans were able to conviced microsoft to keep the leaderboard..i may be wrong though

HaloinventedFPS

haha RTS on console

the only reason Halo Wars sold 2million copies was because children thought it was an FPS

Seems rather expensive when the only thing that will benefit console gamers by having dedicated servers is no host advantage.

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] except on pc the dedicated servers are based upon the life span of the games popularity... official servers usually shut down, user made ones shut down once those users move onto other games.WilliamRLBaker

On the console side you are just limited to however long the company running the server wants them to last. Thats it.

[QUOTE="Plagueless"][QUOTE="lawlessx"]

actually i think fans were able to conviced microsoft to keep the leaderboard..i may be wrong though

HaloinventedFPS

haha RTS on console

the only reason Halo Wars sold 2million copies was because children thought it was an FPS

[QUOTE="Plagueless"][QUOTE="lawlessx"]

actually i think fans were able to conviced microsoft to keep the leaderboard..i may be wrong though

HaloinventedFPS

haha RTS on console

the only reason Halo Wars sold 2million copies was because children thought it was an FPS

Nope. I have some pretty big Halo Fanboy friends that read all the Halo books and still to this day, play Halo 3 and Halo Reach. Some people are really caught up into the story of Halo. Although my personal favorite Halo game was Halo: CE, still the best Halo game IMO. I may even get the remake, and I haven't bought a Halo game since Halo 2, which I regret buying.

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[QUOTE="Plagueless"] Last time I was on it I believe they were down, but I could be wrong as I only play custom on that game due to it being fairly unbalanced (Scarab Rush AAAARRGGGHHH!!!)Ravensmash

haha RTS on console

the only reason Halo Wars sold 2million copies was because children thought it was an FPS

compared to a decent PC RTS? hell even Warcraft 2 would have more players

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

haha RTS on console

the only reason Halo Wars sold 2million copies was because children thought it was an FPS

compared to a decent PC RTS? hell even Warcraft 2 would have more players

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

haha RTS on console

the only reason Halo Wars sold 2million copies was because children thought it was an FPS

HaloinventedFPS

compared to a decent PC RTS? hell even Warcraft 2 would have more players

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="Led_poison"]Except on the consoles, the dedicated servers are based on the lifespan of the console. Mograine

Like Doom or Quake, right?

And that wouldn't happen on consoles either, right?

:lol: What a complete joke.

Is it more costly to run with dedicated servers? Just wondering. I'm sure that may be why a lot of companies opt out of that strategy.

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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] except on pc the dedicated servers are based upon the life span of the games popularity... official servers usually shut down, user made ones shut down once those users move onto other games.WilliamRLBaker

Like Doom or Quake, right?

And that wouldn't happen on consoles either, right?

:lol: What a complete joke.

Of course they get shut down. I predict that after a year or two, the Battlefield Bad Company 2 servers will shut down after Battlefield 3 comes out. Why keep them open when most are almost empty? It's a waste of money.

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[QUOTE="Ravensmash"] Yet it has a sizeable community and is generally considered to be a good game?Plagueless

compared to a decent PC RTS? hell even Warcraft 2 would have more players

Halo ripped off Starcraft

just saiyan

[QUOTE="Plagueless"][QUOTE="lawlessx"]

actually i think fans were able to conviced microsoft to keep the leaderboard..i may be wrong though

HaloinventedFPS

haha RTS on console

the only reason Halo Wars sold 2million copies was because children thought it was an FPS

Funny thing, I was just thinking that people will buy the new X-Com thinking it's a RTS.

almost completely supported by users *infact i do believe completely supported by users* give enough time and that goes away dont act as though pc dedicated servers never get shut down.WilliamRLBaker

The fact that they are supported by users is not a negative.

"Give enough time" two and a half and counting consoles generations are not enough for you? How many console shooter's dedis last for half as long as that?

[QUOTE="Plagueless"][QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

compared to a decent PC RTS? hell even Warcraft 2 would have more players

HaloinventedFPS

Halo ripped off Starcraft

just saiyan

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[QUOTE="Plagueless"] Last time I was on it I believe they were down, but I could be wrong as I only play custom on that game due to it being fairly unbalanced (Scarab Rush AAAARRGGGHHH!!!)ABCarmine

haha RTS on console

the only reason Halo Wars sold 2million copies was because children thought it was an FPS

Funny thing, I was just thinking that people will buy the new X-Com thinking it's a RTS.

no one who plays on consoles has even heard of X-Com, same goes for all the console gamers that liked Bioshock (System shock? what is that?)

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[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

haha RTS on console

the only reason Halo Wars sold 2million copies was because children thought it was an FPS

HaloinventedFPS

Funny thing, I was just thinking that people will buy the new X-Com thinking it's a RTS.

no one who plays on consoles has even heard of X-Com, same goes goes for all the console gamers that liked Bioshock (System shock? what is that?)

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[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

haha RTS on console

the only reason Halo Wars sold 2million copies was because children thought it was an FPS

HaloinventedFPS

Funny thing, I was just thinking that people will buy the new X-Com thinking it's a RTS.

no one who plays on consoles has even heard of X-Com, same goes for all the console gamers that liked Bioshock (System shock? what is that?)

I play on consoles, I've heard and played Xcom

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[QUOTE="Plagueless"] You just cant fathom that a console RTS would be anything other than rubbish, can you? Ill have you know, Halo Wars is the BEST console RTS to date, as the controls were built from the ground up for it. Im not saying its better that C&C or Starcraft, but I know it has a far better story component than most RTS's, even on PC.Ravensmash

Halo ripped off Starcraft

just saiyan

well saying Halo wars has a good story is a joke, since Halo is just a rip off of Starcraft, it really has the exact same story in first person view with all the names changed

except Starcraft has extremely good writing, Halo doesnt