Cliffy B: all shooters should have dedicated srevers from here on out....

lol... A lemming saying the PS3 need exclusives...Hope you enjoy playing with Elmo..tormentos

Are you seriously not getting it? Fine, I highlated the part you need to read over and over so you can understand the point:

You know that like literally EVERY PS3 exclusive has them,

2Chalupas

[QUOTE="WAHAHAHAHAHAWA"] When unreal championship 2002 launched for xbox live the developer ran dedicated servers, they were called X-SERVERS. ZombieKiller7

MS went with P2P to make sure games will always be online, they didn't want to go full servers because they knew devs would take the servers offline even when players still play them. I think its a smart move. but each game does have a server to go alone with it, that tracks players, as what MS tried with Halo wars

He has said that at E3 as well. I think he was kind of tacking a jab at Halo and CoD because both of them still use P2P.

He is absolutely right. P2P sucks, far to many problems. Dedicated servers have always been the much superior way to host games. I don't know why console games haven't adapted the dedicated server business model.

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

Halo ripped off Starcraft

just saiyan

HaloinventedFPS

Nope, wrong again. The studio that made Halo Wars was called Ensemble Studios, which already made RTS's on the PC years ago. The RTS was called Age of Empires. They made 3 Age of Empires game (and various expansions) until MS bought them and made them make Halo Wars, which ultimately destroyed Ensemble Studios. They went out of business shortly after Halo Wars was released, which is another reason I don't like Microsoft. First they destroyed Rare, then Ensemble Studios.

Microsoft allready owned Ensemble, Ensemble got shut down because they wasted alot of money on a Halo MMO

also the talent all left rare even before Microsoft got them

they got shot down because they where slackers, they didnt finish anything on time. and they also wanted to make a farmville game. they deserve it

He has said that at E3 as well. I think he was kind of tacking a jab at Halo and CoD because both of them still use P2P.

He is absolutely right. P2P sucks, far to many problems. Dedicated servers have always been the much superior way to host games. I don't know why console games haven't adapted the dedicated server business model.

Wasdie

I don't think its as bad as people say, like Halo, racing games. Halo 2 is what caused the drop of dedicated server support, as lots of games before it used it

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

[QUOTE="Plagueless"] You just cant fathom that a console RTS would be anything other than rubbish, can you? Ill have you know, Halo Wars is the BEST console RTS to date, as the controls were built from the ground up for it. Im not saying its better that C&C or Starcraft, but I know it has a far better story component than most RTS's, even on PC.dream431ca

Halo ripped off Starcraft

just saiyan

Nope, wrong again. The studio that made Halo Wars was called Ensemble Studios, which already made RTS's on the PC years ago. The RTS was called Age of Empires. They made 3 Age of Empires game (and various expansions) until MS bought them and made them make Halo Wars, which ultimately destroyed Ensemble Studios. They went out of business shortly after Halo Wars was released, which is another reason I don't like Microsoft. First they destroyed Rare, then Ensemble Studios.

Rare was having problems before MS got them. its not MS fault

MS went with P2P to make sure games will always be online, they didn't want to go full servers because they knew devs would take the servers offline even when players still play them. I think its a smart move. but each game does have a server to go alone with it, that tracks players, as what MS tried with Halo warsgamer-adam1

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

Halo ripped off Starcraft

just saiyan

HaloinventedFPS

well saying Halo wars has a good story is a joke, since Halo is just a rip off of Starcraft, it really has the exact same story in first person view with all the names changed

except Starcraft has extremely good writing, Halo doesnt

you have not played Halo or Starcraft.

anyone whos played both would easily tell that storys are different.

but its been a while, I guess I missed seeing rings that could whipe out all life

I guess the Flood is the main enemy in Halo.

but please make a list of all the things the are the same.

cause no one else has army like spartans, which there aren't that many of them, halo you are not able to set of bases where ever...

[QUOTE="gamer-adam1"]MS went with P2P to make sure games will always be online, they didn't want to go full servers because they knew devs would take the servers offline even when players still play them. I think its a smart move. but each game does have a server to go alone with it, that tracks players, as what MS tried with Halo warstormentos

you do know there still multiple servers for every game, that connects players to other players, hold information, track information.. every game goes through a server.

I don't know why console games haven't adapted the dedicated server business model.

Wasdie

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="gamer-adam1"]MS went with P2P to make sure games will always be online, they didn't want to go full servers because they knew devs would take the servers offline even when players still play them. I think its a smart move. but each game does have a server to go alone with it, that tracks players, as what MS tried with Halo warsgamer-adam1

you do know there still multiple servers for every game, that connects players to other players, hold information, track information.. every game goes through a server.

most of ps3 exclusives have dedicated servers so they were smart to do that. its the multiplats and as far as i know most of 360 exclusives dont have dedicated servers hence that lag....

most of ps3 exclusives have dedicated servers so they were smart to do that. its the multiplats and as far as i know most of 360 exclusives dont have dedicated servers hence that lag....

planbfreak4eva

UC3 , R3, KZ3 all say hi , if anything it looks like PS3 exclusives are moving away from dedicted server. It's hard to justify the price tag with sad numbers of their online communities of there Multiplayer games. :(

[QUOTE="planbfreak4eva"]

most of ps3 exclusives have dedicated servers so they were smart to do that. its the multiplats and as far as i know most of 360 exclusives dont have dedicated servers hence that lag....

Ultra_Combo

UC3 , R3, KZ3 all say hi , if anything it looks like PS3 exclusives are moving away from dedicted server. It's hard to justify the price tag with sad numbers of their online communities of there Multiplayer games. :(

actually Killzone 3 stll had dedicated servers....just worse then 2

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

I don't know why console games haven't adapted the dedicated server business model.

mitu123

[QUOTE="Ultra_Combo"]

[QUOTE="planbfreak4eva"]

most of ps3 exclusives have dedicated servers so they were smart to do that. its the multiplats and as far as i know most of 360 exclusives dont have dedicated servers hence that lag....

eboyishere

UC3 , R3, KZ3 all say hi , if anything it looks like PS3 exclusives are moving away from dedicted server. It's hard to justify the price tag with sad numbers of their online communities of there Multiplayer games. :(

actually Killzone 3 stll had dedicated servers....just worse then 2

I don;t think it does you have a link by any chance? , still don;t see how you can aspire to be "teh flagship multiplayer" with P2P *cough UC3 *cough

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

I don't know why console games haven't adapted the dedicated server business model.

drjohnsmithspli

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

I don't know why console games haven't adapted the dedicated server business model.

drjohnsmithspli

[QUOTE="drjohnsmithspli"][QUOTE="mitu123"] Doesn't it cost them money?

mitu123

Unfortunantly

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="drjohnsmithspli"] Nope original xbox...online game's had option to set your personal xbox as dedicated server Ultra_Combo

Unfortunantly

[QUOTE="Ultra_Combo"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"] Haven't times changed now?

drjohnsmithspli

Unfortunantly

It should be standard for all consoles

[QUOTE="eboyishere"]

[QUOTE="Ultra_Combo"]

UC3 , R3, KZ3 all say hi , if anything it looks like PS3 exclusives are moving away from dedicted server. It's hard to justify the price tag with sad numbers of their online communities of there Multiplayer games. :(

Ultra_Combo

actually Killzone 3 stll had dedicated servers....just worse then 2

I don;t think it does you have a link by any chance? , still don;t see how you can aspire to be "teh flagship multiplayer" with P2P *cough UC3 *cough

no i dont have a link, but i remember asking about it on there forums back in jan, and i was told it was.

home user hosted dedciated server and developer dedicated server support options >>>>only developer hosted dedicated serversdrjohnsmithspli

Stop creating acounts man, it's annoying. You got banned, deal with it...

[QUOTE="drjohnsmithspli"]home user hosted dedciated server and developer dedicated server support options >>>>only developer hosted dedicated serversABCarmine

Stop creating acounts man, it's annoying. You got banned, deal with it...

[QUOTE="drjohnsmithspli"]home user hosted dedciated server and developer dedicated server support options >>>>only developer hosted dedicated serversABCarmine

Stop creating acounts man, it's annoying. You got banned, deal with it...

Just ignore him.

Dedicated servers are a great thing because at least people don't have to worry about host advantage anymore.

[QUOTE="drjohnsmithspli"]home user hosted dedciated server and developer dedicated server support options >>>>only developer hosted dedicated serversABCarmine

Stop creating acounts man, it's annoying. You got banned, deal with it...

Who was he ? how do you know it's him?

[QUOTE="ABCarmine"]

[QUOTE="drjohnsmithspli"]home user hosted dedciated server and developer dedicated server support options >>>>only developer hosted dedicated serversUltra_Combo

Stop creating acounts man, it's annoying. You got banned, deal with it...

Who was he ? how do you know it's him?

he's the notorius ban dodger, he creates an account every two days to bash everything Halo and Kinect.

[QUOTE="Ultra_Combo"]

[QUOTE="eboyishere"]

actually Killzone 3 stll had dedicated servers....just worse then 2

eboyishere

I don;t think it does you have a link by any chance? , still don;t see how you can aspire to be "teh flagship multiplayer" with P2P *cough UC3 *cough

no i dont have a link, but i remember asking about it on there forums back in jan, and i was told it was.

Google search seems to indicate no, so I'll have to assume that, no offense if there were a link I would believe you but in the killzone forums they seem to think it doesn't. Either way my point stand it seems Sony exclusives may be going more towards p2p. I don't blame them hard to justify when the community doesn't hold up.

[QUOTE="Ultra_Combo"]

[QUOTE="ABCarmine"]

Stop creating acounts man, it's annoying. You got banned, deal with it...

ABCarmine

Who was he ? how do you know it's him?

he's the notorius ban dodger, he creates an account every two days to bash everything Halo and Kinect.

Just keep on ignoring him and I sent you a PM anyway.

[QUOTE="ABCarmine"]

[QUOTE="Ultra_Combo"]

Who was he ? how do you know it's him?

super600

he's the notorius ban dodger, he creates an account every two days to bash everything Halo and Kinect.

Just keep on ignoring him and I sent you a PM anyway.

Ok thanks :)

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="ABCarmine"]

he's the notorius ban dodger, he creates an account every two days to bash everything Halo and Kinect.

Ultra_Combo

Just keep on ignoring him and I sent you a PM anyway.

Ok thanks :)

That was to ABCarmine.

[QUOTE="Ultra_Combo"]

[QUOTE="super600"]

Just keep on ignoring him and I sent you a PM anyway.

super600

Ok thanks :)

That was to ABCarmine.

Dam :cry:

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="Ultra_Combo"]

Ok thanks :)

Ultra_Combo

That was to ABCarmine.

Dam :cry:

I sent the same message to you anyway.

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="Ultra_Combo"]

Ok thanks :)

Ultra_Combo

That was to ABCarmine.

Dam :cry:

Ha, that made me laugh a little.

[QUOTE="eboyishere"]

[QUOTE="Ultra_Combo"]

I don;t think it does you have a link by any chance? , still don;t see how you can aspire to be "teh flagship multiplayer" with P2P *cough UC3 *cough

Ultra_Combo

no i dont have a link, but i remember asking about it on there forums back in jan, and i was told it was.

Google search seems to indicate no, so I'll have to assume that, no offense if there were a link I would believe you but in the killzone forums they seem to think it doesn't. Either way my point stand it seems Sony exclusives may be going more towards p2p. I don't blame them hard to justify when the community doesn't hold up.

GG has always used sony's servers....they are dedicated my friend your grasping at straws with the community comment tho ;)

[QUOTE="Ultra_Combo"]

[QUOTE="eboyishere"]

no i dont have a link, but i remember asking about it on there forums back in jan, and i was told it was.

eboyishere

Google search seems to indicate no, so I'll have to assume that, no offense if there were a link I would believe you but in the killzone forums they seem to think it doesn't. Either way my point stand it seems Sony exclusives may be going more towards p2p. I don't blame them hard to justify when the community doesn't hold up.

GG has always used sony's servers....they are dedicated my friend your grasping at straws with the community comment tho ;)

Really you have provided no proof so I'll go ahead and assume no just like your assuming yes ;)

*edit oh and "GG has always used sony's servers" you mean once ;)

Dedicated servers should have been the standard since Bungie did it in the original Marathon, which was, what, almost twenty years ago now?

[QUOTE="eboyishere"]

[QUOTE="Ultra_Combo"]

Google search seems to indicate no, so I'll have to assume that, no offense if there were a link I would believe you but in the killzone forums they seem to think it doesn't. Either way my point stand it seems Sony exclusives may be going more towards p2p. I don't blame them hard to justify when the community doesn't hold up.

Ultra_Combo

GG has always used sony's servers....they are dedicated my friend your grasping at straws with the community comment tho ;)

Really you have provided no proof so I'll go ahead and assume no just like your assuming yes ;)

*edit oh and "GG has always used sony's servers" you mean once ;)

ahhhhhhhhhh..this guy over here:P

[QUOTE="planbfreak4eva"]

most of ps3 exclusives have dedicated servers so they were smart to do that. its the multiplats and as far as i know most of 360 exclusives dont have dedicated servers hence that lag....

Ultra_Combo

UC3 , R3, KZ3 all say hi , if anything it looks like PS3 exclusives are moving away from dedicted server. It's hard to justify the price tag with sad numbers of their online communities of there Multiplayer games. :(

[QUOTE="Ultra_Combo"]

[QUOTE="planbfreak4eva"]

most of ps3 exclusives have dedicated servers so they were smart to do that. its the multiplats and as far as i know most of 360 exclusives dont have dedicated servers hence that lag....

eboyishere

UC3 , R3, KZ3 all say hi , if anything it looks like PS3 exclusives are moving away from dedicted server. It's hard to justify the price tag with sad numbers of their online communities of there Multiplayer games. :(

actually Killzone 3 stll had dedicated servers....just worse then 2