Cliffy B: all shooters should have dedicated srevers from here on out....

[QUOTE="Plagueless"][QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

compared to a decent PC RTS? hell even Warcraft 2 would have more players

HaloinventedFPS

Halo ripped off Starcraft

just saiyan

Nope, wrong again. The studio that made Halo Wars was called Ensemble Studios, which already made RTS's on the PC years ago. The RTS was called Age of Empires. They made 3 Age of Empires game (and various expansions) until MS bought them and made them make Halo Wars, which ultimately destroyed Ensemble Studios. They went out of business shortly after Halo Wars was released, which is another reason I don't like Microsoft. First they destroyed Rare, then Ensemble Studios.

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

[QUOTE="Plagueless"] You just cant fathom that a console RTS would be anything other than rubbish, can you? Ill have you know, Halo Wars is the BEST console RTS to date, as the controls were built from the ground up for it. Im not saying its better that C&C or Starcraft, but I know it has a far better story component than most RTS's, even on PC.dream431ca

Halo ripped off Starcraft

just saiyan

Nope, wrong again. The studio that made Halo Wars was called Ensemble Studios, which already made RTS's on the PC years ago. The RTS was called Age of Empires. They made 3 Age of Empires game (and various expansions) until MS bought them and made them make Halo Wars, which ultimately destroyed Ensemble Studios. They went out of business shortly after Halo Wars was released, which is another reason I don't like Microsoft. First they destroyed Rare, then Ensemble Studios.

Microsoft allready owned Ensemble, Ensemble got shut down because they wasted alot of money on a Halo MMO

also the talent all left rare even before Microsoft got them

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

Halo ripped off Starcraft

just saiyan

HaloinventedFPS

well saying Halo wars has a good story is a joke, since Halo is just a rip off of Starcraft, it really has the exact same story in first person view with all the names changed

except Starcraft has extremely good writing, Halo doesnt

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

Halo ripped off Starcraft

just saiyan

HaloinventedFPS

well saying Halo wars has a good story is a joke, since Halo is just a rip off of Starcraft, it really has the exact same story in first person view with all the names changed

except Starcraft has extremely good writing, Halo doesnt

Nope, wrong again. The studio that made Halo Wars was called Ensemble Studios, which already made RTS's on the PC years ago. The RTS was called Age of Empires. They made 3 Age of Empires game (and various expansions) until MS bought them and made them make Halo Wars, which ultimately destroyed Ensemble Studios. They went out of business shortly after Halo Wars was released, which is another reason I don't like Microsoft. First they destroyed Rare, then Ensemble Studios.

dream431ca

He's flamebaiting, there's no way anyone could relate Halo to Starcraft, and he didn't say "Halo Wars" by the way.

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Nope, wrong again. The studio that made Halo Wars was called Ensemble Studios, which already made RTS's on the PC years ago. The RTS was called Age of Empires. They made 3 Age of Empires game (and various expansions) until MS bought them and made them make Halo Wars, which ultimately destroyed Ensemble Studios. They went out of business shortly after Halo Wars was released, which is another reason I don't like Microsoft. First they destroyed Rare, then Ensemble Studios.

Mograine

He's flamebaiting, there's no way anyone could relate Halo to Starcraft, and he didn't say "Halo Wars" by the way.

He was posting about Halo Wars earlier so I assume it would have been about that.

If I cook Spaghetti Bolognese is it bad because someone's cooked it before?tomarlyn

It's "Spaghetti alla bolognese" :P

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Nope, wrong again. The studio that made Halo Wars was called Ensemble Studios, which already made RTS's on the PC years ago. The RTS was called Age of Empires. They made 3 Age of Empires game (and various expansions) until MS bought them and made them make Halo Wars, which ultimately destroyed Ensemble Studios. They went out of business shortly after Halo Wars was released, which is another reason I don't like Microsoft. First they destroyed Rare, then Ensemble Studios.

Mograine

He's flamebaiting, there's no way anyone could relate Halo to Starcraft, and he didn't say "Halo Wars" by the way.

>Mograine

>Avatar

well you play Blizzard games for sure, but have you played Halo? well read the background lore of Halo and SC, its funny how much Bungie stole, or just google halo ripped off starcraft

Halo fans just make up excuses like its just a homage

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"] If I cook Spaghetti Bolognese is it bad because someone's cooked it before?Mograine

It's "Spaghetti alla bolognese" :P

Wrong again, it's

spaghetti le alla Bolognese le French bueno.

Wrong again, it's

spaghetti le alla Bolognese le French bueno.

ABCarmine

I live just a bit farther than a hundred kilometers from Bologna and I eat those twice a week, don't lecture me on how we call our food, blame the linguist nubs.

[QUOTE="ABCarmine"]

Wrong again, it's

spaghetti le alla Bolognese le French bueno.

Mograine

I live just a bit farther than a hundred kilometers from Bologna and I eat those twice a week, don't lecture me on how we call our food, blame the linguist nubs.

Me, a linguist Nub? I'll have you know I cook the finest Chef Boyardee ever!!!! :evil:

Yep, would make console gaming more fun online.

Me, a linguist Nub? I'll have you know I cook the finest Chef Boyardee ever!!!! :evil:

ABCarmine

Bring it on.

Food is one of the few things we can boast over the rest of the world. Your cooking does not scare me 8) :P

>Mograine

>Avatar

well you play Blizzard games for sure, but have you played Halo? well read the background lore of Halo and SC, its funny how much Bungie stole, or just google halo ripped off starcraft

Halo fans just make up excuses like its just a homage

HaloinventedFPS

Saying something "ripped off" something else among big franchises is just plain wrong. There have been craploads of arguments about how Blizzard ripped off their franchises from Warhammer and 40K, none of them have ever brought out something meaningful.

Imitation is the greatest form of flattery.

I agree with him 100%. I remember MW2, every game there was Host Migration.

Just one of the things that put me off CoD.

After experiencing hardly any noticable lag on BC2 for PC I completely agree with this. Not once have I felt robbed because the game is laggy as hell. It so much more fun not having to deal with lag spikes in online games

[QUOTE="ABCarmine"]

Me, a linguist Nub? I'll have you know I cook the finest Chef Boyardee ever!!!! :evil:

Mograine

Bring it on.

Food is one of the few things we can boast over the rest of the world. Your cooking does not scare me 8) :P

Wrong, you can also boast about being the country that can boast about the least amount of things.

Halo 4 better have them. It will come out in 2012, no reason to still use ancient P2P.

Wrong, you can also boast about being the country that can boast about the least amount of things.

ABCarmine

You are so going to get your face served as tomato sauce for that :twisted:

Yep halo ruined fps on consoles.WAHAHAHAHAHAWA

Why do you keep making acounts? Don't you have anything better to do?

[QUOTE="WAHAHAHAHAHAWA"]Yep halo ruined fps on consoles.ABCarmine

Why do you keep making acounts? Don't you have anything better to do?

Link

11:23

At the Comic-Con Gears 3 Panel, Cliff Blezinzski said that all shooters should have dedicated servers from here on out. Do you think Epic realized the problems they had with host advantage in Gears 1 & 2? I for one hope that other developers do make the effort to have dedicared servers on consoles, as there are only a handful of games not on PC to support them. (last one I played was Rainbow Six Vegas 2)

Discuss.

Plagueless

You know that like literally EVERY PS3 exclusive has them, and even Bad Company 1 and 2 also has them on consoles, right? I'm sure Battlefield 3 will as well across all platforms.

For me really the only major online games that DOESN"T consistenly use servers is Call of Duty. Though I'm pretty sure some lesser "online" games like Bioshock 2 and Singularity were also peer-2-peer. I really can't recall many others that were.

your a little late cliff

[QUOTE="Plagueless"][QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

compared to a decent PC RTS? hell even Warcraft 2 would have more players

HaloinventedFPS

Halo ripped off Starcraft

just saiyan

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

[QUOTE="Plagueless"] You just cant fathom that a console RTS would be anything other than rubbish, can you? Ill have you know, Halo Wars is the BEST console RTS to date, as the controls were built from the ground up for it. Im not saying its better that C&C or Starcraft, but I know it has a far better story component than most RTS's, even on PC.FPSDad1161

Halo ripped off Starcraft

just saiyan

[QUOTE="FPSDad1161"][QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

Halo ripped off Starcraft

just saiyan

Tannerr33

[QUOTE="ABCarmine"]

[QUOTE="WAHAHAHAHAHAWA"]Yep halo ruined fps on consoles.WAHAHAHAHAHAWA

Why do you keep making acounts? Don't you have anything better to do?

[QUOTE="Plagueless"]

Link

11:23

At the Comic-Con Gears 3 Panel, Cliff Blezinzski said that all shooters should have dedicated servers from here on out. Do you think Epic realized the problems they had with host advantage in Gears 1 & 2? I for one hope that other developers do make the effort to have dedicared servers on consoles, as there are only a handful of games not on PC to support them. (last one I played was Rainbow Six Vegas 2)

Discuss.

2Chalupas

You know that like literally EVERY PS3 exclusive has them, and even Bad Company 1 and 2 also has them on consoles, right? I'm sure Battlefield 3 will as well across all platforms.

For me really the only major online games that DOESN"T consistenly use servers is Call of Duty. Though I'm pretty sure some lesser "online" games like Bioshock 2 and Singularity were also peer-2-peer. I really can't recall many others that were.

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

[QUOTE="lawlessx"] ....what? no it's not:?WilliamRLBaker

I'm not gonna turn this thread into a war so I'll just leave it at that :D

[QUOTE="2Chalupas"]

[QUOTE="Plagueless"]

Link

11:23

At the Comic-Con Gears 3 Panel, Cliff Blezinzski said that all shooters should have dedicated servers from here on out. Do you think Epic realized the problems they had with host advantage in Gears 1 & 2? I for one hope that other developers do make the effort to have dedicared servers on consoles, as there are only a handful of games not on PC to support them. (last one I played was Rainbow Six Vegas 2)

Discuss.

smokingsbad

You know that like literally EVERY PS3 exclusive has them, and even Bad Company 1 and 2 also has them on consoles, right? I'm sure Battlefield 3 will as well across all platforms.

For me really the only major online games that DOESN"T consistenly use servers is Call of Duty. Though I'm pretty sure some lesser "online" games like Bioshock 2 and Singularity were also peer-2-peer. I really can't recall many others that were.

well saying Halo wars has a good story is a joke, since Halo is just a rip off of Starcraft, it really has the exact same story in first person view with all the names changed

except Starcraft has extremely good writing, Halo doesnt

HaloinventedFPS

Warcraft ripped off Warhammer, so it can't have a good story. Got it.

You know that like literally EVERY PS3 exclusive has them,

2Chalupas

MAG, Killzone 2 and 3, Warhawk, Socom 4, Metal Gear Solid 4Warriorboy1990

Wow, the PS3 is in some serious need of exclusives.

Lol, it's not important until you do it Cliffy. I remember when Gears 2 was coming he acted like 4-player co-op wasn't important and 2-player was the magic number. 4-players is just hard to keep up with. Fast forward to 2011, Gears 3 has 4-player co-op and now it's awesome.

I'm not saying dedicated servers is bad I'm just pointing it out. I really don't think it's any more or less necessary than it was three years ago when Gears 2 came out. I can live without them, so long as the net code is good, but having them is always a plus.

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

Halo ripped off Starcraft

just saiyan

HaloinventedFPS

well saying Halo wars has a good story is a joke, since Halo is just a rip off of Starcraft, it really has the exact same story in first person view with all the names changed

except Starcraft has extremely good writing, Halo doesnt

Lol, it's not important until you do it Cliffy. I remember when Gears 2 was coming he acted like 4-player co-op wasn't important and 2-player was the magic number. 4-players is just hard to keep up with. Fast forward to 2011, Gears 3 has 4-player co-op and now it's awesome.

I'm not saying dedicated servers is bad I'm just pointing it out. I really don't think it's any more or less necessary than it was three years ago when Gears 2 came out. I can live without them, so long as the net code is good, but having them is always a plus.

vashkey

From here out? Try 6 or 7 years ago. Yes from here out it should be absolutely mandatory.

blues35301

Exactly, the fact that console devs are acting like this is some kind of brand new revelation is hilarious.

From here out? Try 6 or 7 years ago. Yes from here out it should be absolutely mandatory.

blues35301

Agreed, he is a little out of date.

it's like BMW coming out with 'all cars should have seatbelts from now on'

[QUOTE="2Chalupas"]

You know that like literally EVERY PS3 exclusive has them,

waltefmoney

MAG, Killzone 2 and 3, Warhawk, Socom 4, Metal Gear Solid 4Warriorboy1990

Wow, the PS3 is in some serious need of exclusives.

Oh like the 360 with Gears of War and Halo and...... oh wait. Warriorboy1990

And Forza. But yeah, you didn't get the point I was trying to make.

[QUOTE="Warriorboy1990"]Oh like the 360 with Gears of War and Halo and...... oh wait. waltefmoney

And Forza. But yeah, you didn't get the point I was trying to make.

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"] Yet it has a sizeable community and is generally considered to be a good game?Ravensmash

compared to a decent PC RTS? hell even Warcraft 2 would have more players

okay was that a direct shot @ warcraft II i see. boy you have stepped across a line you DONT want to be on my side of. warcraft II WAS THE BEST ONLINE MP RTS EXPERIENCE OF ITS DAY. and prior to battle.net's existance was THE rts to play online. its also the msot balanced and most award winning rts on the face of this earth and has sold more copies then there are stars in the sky. i STILl play warcraft II in the off seasons. THATS how good it is. and i have a lot of other rts's in my library many of them jsut as well known if not more so. halo wars is a sham of an rts. its got jsut as clumsy controls as starcraft 64 & c&C ra3 do on consoles. keep the f off our genre dummy halo wars is an attempt at milking the faithful halo players for all their worth with a write off game. it will forever be known as the "other" halo game :p

marathon marine probably rolled over in his e-grave when that one hit store shelves.