CNET predicts the 360 will win this generation

[QUOTE="Udsen"]

[QUOTE="-TheSecondSign-"]CNET is owned by Microsoft.-TheSecondSign-

No, they're business partners.

If my business partner offered me money to say his product was the king, I'd say it, so the point is still there.

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Being business partners doesn't mean they're owned by MS, so no, the point isn't still there.

This thread reeks of assumptions and wishful thinking.

The 360 is tanking.

megaton3k

Sudden "assumptions" - C|Net is *owned* by Microsoft. 360 is "tanking".

Sudden "wishful thinking" - 360 will win by some measure.

Yes, there is lots of wishful thinking. and lots more assumptions. including your own. Spare us your inability to just make an objective comment. Just about everyone has made a ridiculous statement in here.

[QUOTE="Udsen"]

[QUOTE="-TheSecondSign-"]CNET is owned by Microsoft.-TheSecondSign-

No, they're business partners.

If my business partner offered me money to say his product was the king, I'd say it, so the point is still there.

Got any proof on this? I hear a lot of people claim this but none has yet to bring up any real proof.

Microsoft is a business partner with Sony to you know.

[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"][QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

Even though its nice to get recognition, you don't really need any website to tell you which console is the clear winner of this gaming generation. If you open your eyes, you'll see the Xbox 360 is reigning supreme over the other two. It suits all types of gamers and not just a particular group. Games, games, and more games is what matters most and only the Xbox 360 provide that for every type of gamer imaginable and at the same time connects people together. Its good to play together.

ZIMdoom

This has been a Microsoft production.

I like how they claim the 360 suits all types of gamers. Clearly, the fact that it relies on NA for 3/4 of its sales says otherwise. Clearly, the fact that 8/10 of its best selling games, and best scoring games, have been shooters (and one RPG made to look and play like a shooter).

Also, MS pushes XBL as its main feature. But which games work best online and are most popular online? Again...shooters. Oh, and racers. Shooters and racers dominate the 360, just like it did the Xbox. Nothing wrong with that, but it seems the NA audience who mainly supports the 360 only cares about those two genres, and playing them online. Not exactly the "suits all gamers" reality.

Not that other consoles are currently appealing to all gamers either, but that is another issue for another day.

The PS3 still has zero rts and only two rpg's and that's only if you fudge the definition of rpg to include Folklore. If you have a problem with the variety the 360 has you must really be dissappointed in what's going on with the PS3. You never got Ace Combat, oh yeah you don't care cuz it's a shooter, Condemned 1 was cancelled but omg you don't care because it's another shooter.

I telling you guys the PS3 has basically destroyed the PS3 fans grasp of reality when the system with the variety the 360 has is not good enough.

At this point all you can do is pity them.

Zomg teh lemmingspot am confirmed!

:|

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="Dahaka-UK"]

Great read and I completely agree with CNET. It's all about the games and the online, not the gimicks or the blu ray.

Javy03

The problem is that its such a general comment, games and online. Well most of the big 360 games appeal to one region with their focus on Sci Fi gunplay. The 360 has good games but they don't have World wide appeal, they instead focus on the NA fanbase.

And as for online, I am sorry but the only thing I want online for is the ability to play my games online and download demos or original games. PSN and Live are pretty even here, every online game you can play on the Live that is multiplat you can play on the PS3 the with the same feeling. Both have their share of original downloadable games as well but where Live shines are in the NON GAMING extras, like downloadable movies, in game chatting, etc.

I highly doubt that those will be the driving force for the millions of gamer who gamed last gen with no online to switch to live, especially when you pay for it. Not to mention that XMB is a few firmware updates away and Home could easily add a whole new level of online community for PSN.

[QUOTE="-TheSecondSign-"][QUOTE="Udsen"]

[QUOTE="-TheSecondSign-"]CNET is owned by Microsoft.JLF1

No, they're business partners.

If my business partner offered me money to say his product was the king, I'd say it, so the point is still there.

Got any proof on this? I hear a lot of people claim this but none has yet to bring up any real proof.

Microsoft is a business partner with Sony to you know.

Eh, maybe I'm wrong.

The 360 won't win this generation.
Why? It isn't selling as much as the competition.

Sometimes i amaze myself with my own logic...

A majority of the negative posters here are not even responding to the arguments in the article but rather trying to debase the entire thing as MS propaganda. My question is this though, if the opinions in the argument are right will it even matter if its propaganda or not?L1qu1dSword

It will *not* be the highest sold system in the world. It's too weak in Japan. The article also fails to acknowledge the cultural differences that have handicapped the international excitement at Microsoft's superior online gaming solution over the other consoles and underscore it's challenges.

Unless C|Net is defining "winner" by the console that has the:

-Best collection of games, top to bottom

-Best online console experience

-Best overall experience for gamers

then that's one thing. But most people define "winner" in a "console war" by which console sells the most.

that's looking like the Wii in a landslide at this point. But if you want to use those other criteria as to why the 360 is "the best" TO YOU, go right ahead.

For example: Obviously we don't play sales figures. They don't make our experience as gamers more enjoyable. Good games make our gaming expeirence more enjoyable, and the 360 has had them in spades this generation, without fail.

I have no problem at this point contending that the 360 offers the best pure experience for people that are looking to GAME the best way possible on a console.

Without question, as one who owns and enjoys all 3. And as one who has played his PS3 and Wii 20x as much this year. The 360 is the best home for gamers. But right now, I'm enjoying my PS3 as a middle-of-the-road compromise between gaming and movie watching. The Wii I enjoy in spurts. Very short spurts because it's hard on my eyes with my HDTV. But its best games are excellent. Problem is the lack thereof (as we all know).

In short: 360 is where the best console gaming experience can be found. If you want to call that a "winning" experience, you're not going off of sales, but off of experience.

Like how a lot of people think about the N64.

A majority of the negative posters here are not even responding to the arguments in the article but rather trying to debase the entire thing as MS propaganda. My question is this though, if the opinions in the argument are right will it even matter if its propaganda or not?L1qu1dSword

There is no arguement in the article. His arguement focuses on his belief that the 360s line up and Live will pull it ahead of the Wii (which according to him will lose steam) and the PS3 (which he believes will stop outselling the 360 WW).

The problem with his logic is that most of the features in Live are availble on PSN for free, he also assumes that the small extras like downloadable movies, in game chat, etc. will convert a population of gamers who gamed without online to move over to paying 50 dollars for Live. Not gonna happen. The truth is the 360s gaming library is heavy with sci fi shooting especially the online games. This appeals to NA but as sales show, its not helping it WW where both the Wii and PS3 are dominating it.

He neglects actual sales information and trends and strictly assumes that somehow its online shooters, racing and sports games will take it to number one. It didnt work in 07, and I dont see it happening during the rest of the gen.

The problem with his logic is that most of the features in Live are availble on PSN for freeJavy03

As of today, it's not an equivalent experience and you know it.

The 360 won't win this generation.
Why? It isn't selling as much as the competition.

Sometimes i amaze myself with my own logic...

Arnalion

I agree with this guy.

[QUOTE="Arnalion"]

The 360 won't win this generation.
Why? It isn't selling as much as the competition.

Sometimes i amaze myself with my own logic...

Sliverwarrior

I agree with this guy.

Sweet! You got a stargate avatar!

I agree aswell.

The Xbox 360 is definitely benefiting from the release of GTA IV. While some were concerned (for no reason) that gamers would associate GTA with Playstation only, the latest GTA game has boosted 360 sales a whopping 248% on Amazon alone.

GTA IV is the latest title in the popular game series focused on living a deprived life by killing, drinking and driving, and associating with prostitutes. Of course if you don't know what GTA IV is, you need a lot more than this article to get caught up.

According to several sources, GTA IV has been put on backorder at several brick & mortar stores where the game was sold out. The same can't be said for the actual consoles the game is played on.

We'll keep you updated on the rest of the Xbox 360 console sales numbers once we get some early data. But if a jump of 248% for the Pro Value Bundle at the largest online retailer is a sign, then MS just made some bank.

Okay and I will agree it's quite a general statement I agreed with but if ( opinion I know but game sties such as GS give credence to the opinion ) the best games library along with the best on-line service and the the system that launched a full year before the others- with all that going for it ( minus RRoD ) and it finish last or seen as failure.......ME = WTF ! :?SecretPolice

But as we have seen with games like NG, shadow of the Colossus, ICO, and 50 cent, game scores dont necessarily equal sales. You also have to look at the variety of the top games. Are they appealing to a world wide audience or the NA lust for shooting aliens and Nazis with guns.

There has never been a console that released first and won, so as good as the lead looks initially, it has never helped any system so I wouldnt bank on that as a plus. Its online service is the best but it depends on what you want, if you want to just game online, its not necessarily the best, I prefer PSN because its free. Also with the addition of home it could add a whole new dynamic to PSN.

I would be suprised if the 360 one with its poor sales WW and its dependance on one region.

[QUOTE="Sliverwarrior"][QUOTE="Arnalion"]

The 360 won't win this generation.
Why? It isn't selling as much as the competition.

Sometimes i amaze myself with my own logic...

azad_champ

I agree with this guy.

Sweet! You got a stargate avatar!

I agree aswell.

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]Okay and I will agree it's quite a general statement I agreed with but if ( opinion I know but game sties such as GS give credence to the opinion ) the best games library along with the best on-line service and the the system that launched a full year before the others- with all that going for it ( minus RRoD ) and it finish last or seen as failure.......ME = WTF ! :?Javy03

But as we have seen with games like NG, shadow of the Colossus, ICO, and 50 cent, game scores dont necessarily equal sales. You also have to look at the variety of the top games. Are they appealing to a world wide audience or the NA lust for shooting aliens and Nazis with guns.

There has never been a console that released first and won, so as good as the lead looks initially, it has never helped any system so I wouldnt bank on that as a plus. Its online service is the best but it depends on what you want, if you want to just game online, its not necessarily the best, I prefer PSN because its free. Also with the addition of home it could add a whole new dynamic to PSN.

I would be suprised if the 360 one with its poor sales WW and its dependance on one region.

[QUOTE="Javy03"]The problem with his logic is that most of the features in Live are availble on PSN for freeDreams-Visions

As of today, it's not an equivalent experience and you know it.

Overall no of course not and I didnt say that if you read my comment I said "most of the features in Live are available on PSN for free." The most important one being ability to game online, people with COD4 on the PS3 and 360 can play the same game the same way online with the same quality. Now if you wanna see your friends list on the fly or write a message thats where Live shines but those are extras that each gamer determines if its significant enough to invest in. Its not something that puts Live leaps and bounds beyond the PS3, its a possible firmware fix.

Besides this article is speculating on the future not today because today the 360 is losing pretty bad WW and is holding its head 5K above the PS3 last time I checked.

Two things . . .

1. How much longer must we hear these predictions claiming anybody but Nintendo will win this generation (in sales) despite Wii sales number owning the competition almost two years straight. Are sales suddenly going to drop? With Mario Kart and WiiFit, there's no reason to believe sales will slow down anytime soon.

2. Yeah, 360 has a lot of third party games, but arguably it is only third party game they have going for them, what first party games do they have to offer? Plus, a lot of their games, and I mean a lot, fall into the shooter/action genre. It's not the most diverse lineup which is why it's the console that most appeals to the hardcore gamers.

Perhaps if I say it louder people will notice.

Amazon WORLDWIDE declares the 360 spiked 248% since the release of GTA IV

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

[QUOTE="Javy03"]The problem with his logic is that most of the features in Live are availble on PSN for freeJavy03

As of today, it's not an equivalent experience and you know it.

Overall no of course not and I didnt say that if you read my comment I said "most of the features in Live are available on PSN for free." The most important one being ability to game online, people with COD4 on the PS3 and 360 can play the same game the same way online with the same quality. Now if you wanna see your friends list on the fly or write a message thats where Live shines but those are extras that each gamer determines if its significant enough to invest in. Its not something that puts Live leaps and bounds beyond the PS3, its a possible firmware fix.

Besides this article is speculating on the future not today because today the 360 is losing pretty bad WW and is holding its head 5K above the PS3 last time I checked.

fair enough. I'm just saying...right now, it's not yet equivalent. when it is, all the 360 fans will be able to argue towards the 360 being a better experience for gamers will be the game libraries. both are okay, but the 360 seems to have had a slightly better library to date.

Tis true and for the record I don't care who wins as long as the 360 remains viable because I enjoy the thing immensely and would hate for it to end up as the DC did which to me was near criminal.SecretPolice

Same here, I dont want the 360 to die or MS to leave gaming even though I prefer the PS3. I am well aware that I have a powerful system with Blu ray and free online all because it had to compete with the 360. I welcome competition and dont wish floppage upon any system.

And I feel your pain with DC, Sega got me with that one too, how could anyone resist the Sonic commercials during launch.

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[QUOTE="jessie5788"]for a second i thought this article came from 07 but its from 08. anyone who thinks the 360 can win hasn't looked at ww sales are are basing there opinion on american sales. we all know the wii passed the 360 in 10 months and sony finally starting to catch up they caught up in japan and the eu mow they need to catch up in america.jessie5788

you obviously didn't read the article then cause it touches on all the sales points of sony ::Catch up::

in the real world its about sales of consoles. anyone can say the 360 has better games. but this doesn't mean its the winner. the 360 does have a lot of good games but none that i'm willing to buy a 360 for. if the 360 truly had the best games why isn't passed the wii. the games on the 360 are for a certain type of gamer not everyone else. saying that the 360 is the winner because of its games is an opinion while its console sales are fact.;)

thats awesome that in your REAL world you mention sony sony sony in your past post, and when in reply to my post of you must not have read the post cause the article touches on all the sony catch up sales, you then bring up wii sales? So how do Wii sales of a 250 dollar gaming system with some great first party titles= sony releaseing an expensive system with not many good games?

Simply put you have no point, And I love that 360 are for certain type of gamer? yet Compared to the ps3 the 360 has more types of games released and more of those games in those types of games released...hmmmm

and ps3 caught up with 360 in europe? by who's numbers? sonys? you mean sony actually didn't admit the 360 is still 1 million units ahead of them in europe? like vgchartz says? OMG! that any company wouldn't put forth false numbers on a product they make.

Alright people, I've been digging through Cnet's financial reports looking for anything about Microsoft's ownership and I find nothing. If someone can find actual evidence of that then I'd believe it - "reports" (read: opinion pieces) like this certainly sound a little far-fetched from anyone with some analytical sense. It's also beset by some amazing BS - ie. "Who wouldn't want to play GTAIV on Xbox Live?" I mean, are they serious?

Now, what you CAN say about Cnet is that it owns Gamespot. Now you can call in someone with a tin hat to scream "conspiracy!"

I predict the 360 will have a price drop this fall to 249 for the premium and 199 for the arcade. You will get very good numbers out of that.

[QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

[QUOTE="Javy03"]The problem with his logic is that most of the features in Live are availble on PSN for freeDreams-Visions

As of today, it's not an equivalent experience and you know it.

Overall no of course not and I didnt say that if you read my comment I said "most of the features in Live are available on PSN for free." The most important one being ability to game online, people with COD4 on the PS3 and 360 can play the same game the same way online with the same quality. Now if you wanna see your friends list on the fly or write a message thats where Live shines but those are extras that each gamer determines if its significant enough to invest in. Its not something that puts Live leaps and bounds beyond the PS3, its a possible firmware fix.

Besides this article is speculating on the future not today because today the 360 is losing pretty bad WW and is holding its head 5K above the PS3 last time I checked.

fair enough. I'm just saying...right now, it's not yet equivalent. when it is, all the 360 fans will be able to argue towards the 360 being a better experience for gamers will be the game libraries. both are okay, but the 360 seems to have had a slightly better library to date.

No I am aware and would never claim its equevalent but again it doesnt need to be equivalent to lead. As long as they are close it will come down to value on the consumers end.

Cnet is not owned by microsoft, and any buisness partners? sorry but isn't sony a cnet buisness partner? last I checked many MEDIA companies had partnership deals with Cnet one of the biggest Electronics media companies.

Perhaps if I say it louder people will notice.

Amazon WORLDWIDE declares the 360 spiked 248% since the release of GTA IV

station124

...and yet it's nowhere to be seen in the top 20 bestseller list for videogames. Of course, the PS3's not in the top 10 (it's #11 as of this moment) but... um... ya know. I can't play numbers, so I'll go back to playing my PS3.

[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Also, isn't CNET owned by Microsoft?

Franco-J

Funny, when Cnet posted articles favoring the PS3, you Sony sheeple were all over it. When someone makes valid points why 360 is the better gaming console, you say they are biased. Sony fanboys are the absolute worst...

Please don't start this.

lol, and the poster just happens to omit the part that they are OWNED by MS.

lol, Nintendo and Sony should just surrender to MS (according to this "article").

does this count as selfownage against the poster?

Great read and I completely agree with CNET. It's all about the games and the online, not the gimicks or the blu ray.

Dahaka-UK

Well said. And thats the exact point. The Sony sheeple will have a hard time coming to grips with this...

[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Also, isn't CNET owned by Microsoft?

Franco-J

Funny, when Cnet posted articles favoring the PS3, you Sony sheeple were all over it. When someone makes valid points why 360 is the better gaming console, you say they are biased. Sony fanboys are the absolute worst...

So even though you don't have a clue who I am, you've decided that I'm a "Sony sheeple" and a "Sony fanboy", huh?

I'd say people that randomly and baselessly accuse other people of being "Sony fanboys" are the absolute worst.

Kids these days......:lol:

CNET is owned by Microsoft.-TheSecondSign-

prove it. lets have some links and facts then.

The Xbox 360 is currently getting dominated in sales and the Wii shows no signs of slowing down. I very much doubt that the 360 will even beat the PS3.famicommander

why do you doubt it?

lol, and the poster just happens to omit the part that they are OWNED by MS.

darthogre

WTF? Did you miss the 20 other posts on this thread that all say the same thing.....

CNET is not owned by MS.

It takes about 5 secs to do a search to find out that CNET is a publicly traded company. It takes another 5 secs to determine that company is effectively owned by 20 institutional investors....none of which is MS.

http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/ownership/institutional.asp?symbol=CNET.O

the funny thing about all this Cnet/MS talk is that it all began on this board around the time the PS3 was getting low scores for a lot of its big name games, implying that GS (owned by Cnet) was controlled by MS. Which is a joke since GS gave PS2 games the most AAA's last gen. I still don't get this MS/Cnet conspiracy on not just this forum but others here at GS also.gridlok

And most of those people that were around back then when Gamespot was hot are no longer around.

just for clarifications:

Nasdaq Stock Enterprise corporates with MS and CNet so they are business partners.

SONY is by itself.

"lone warriors" FTW!

And most of those people that were around back then when Gamespot was hot are no longer around.

EmperorSupreme

yeah but what I'm saying is when naive people (kids mostly) see things like "Cnet is owned by Microsoft" in a forum, many of them think its all fact when its just someone spouting off with no real knowledge of the subject. Then they post it in another forum and another naive fool believes it and you get this endless cycle of misinformation.

just for clarifications:

Nasdaq Stock Enterprise corporates with MS and CNet so they are business partners.

SONY is by itself.

"lone warriors" FTW!

SHuN_G0Ku

*cough* Sony VAIO's pre-loaded with MS XP/Vista *cough*

[QUOTE="EmperorSupreme"]

And most of those people that were around back then when Gamespot was hot are no longer around.

gridlok

yeah but what I'm saying is when naive people (kids mostly) see things like "Cnet is owned by Microsoft" in a forum, many of them think its all fact when its just someone spouting off with no real knowledge of the subject. Then they post it in another forum and another naive fool believes it and you get this endless cycle of misinformation.

wha'd you expect..?

it's System Wars where OPINIONS are FACTS