CNN host tries and fails to link videogames to violence, David Jaffe Responds

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#1 TheDidact
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http://www.destructoid.com/cnn-host-tries-and-fails-to-link-videogames-to-violence-243776.phtmlhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blH3Shg3nX8
"You kill a prostitute, and that's a big thing, you get to win points, "I find that offensive. Erin Burnett
[Quote="David Jaffe"]Dear @ErinBurnett : you, ma'am, are at best an idiot that @cnn should be ashamed to have as an anchor. At worst, you are the worst kind of American: one who has allowed the healthy desire for success to morph into a capitalistic cancer that makes it ok to ignore the facts in order to make your product more appealing, regardless of the consequences. To make matters worse, your own views about video games- which you seem to have no problem sharing with your hundreds of thousands of viewers- clearly have not been formed by any actual research or real life experience with the medium. I am sure you will think yourself quick and insightful when you tell me- a video game director/designer accusing someone from another industry of making products for profit regardless of consequence- that I am the pot and you are the black kettle. However, if you actually listened to your guests and read the studies (aka if you actually did some....some....hmmm, what's that word you journalists have for it? Oh right: RESEARCH!) you would see you are wrong; you would see there remains- after years of studies- zero evidence of video games with violent subject matter causing real life violence. On the flip side- you know: YOUR side- there is very real evidence that our society suffers greatly when our news media fails to properly inform the public. The fact that you think a guy who 'trains'* on a shooting video game would be granted the skill to horrifically, tragically kill those CHILDREN in Norway only serves to show how little research you do before you open your mouth in front of your world wide audience under the guise of delivering news. I'm not sure what makes your argument look more ignorant: the fact that you don't back up your idiotic statement by showing a correlation to the current health of America's agriculture sector with the popularity of Farmville OR the fact that the sick, deranged evil loser who killed those poor kids in Norway had picked such a poor 'training' tool that after 700 hours of play, he was only capable of hitting little kids with his bullets versus the well armed pretend terrorists and highly skilled virtual soldiers that he was battling in the game. Shame on you. But more importantly: shame on your profession. It deserves so much better.** David *'Train' is such a stupid, irresponsible verb that you- without a shred of guilt- chew into with relish and repeat over and over because you know it helps sell your false story. ** I know journalism deserves better than you because I really love Sorkin's The Newsroom plus I saw Broadcast News back in high school at least 5 times (I had a crush on Holly Hunter- so sue me!) which means- in your world- I must have the equivalent of a journalism degree from Columbia plus a few years experience working for The Washington Post (back in the 70's, I mean, when it was really something special). So because of that, I know you will trust me when I tell you that you are not right for your current job and that you should quit and go try to be on something like The View or try to act in a movie or some such.

This woman is a fvcking idiot. But I guess I'm just used to hearing sh!t like this spew from the media's mouths.
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David Jaffe owned that B*tch, hard :lol:

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Dam idiot woman, nice that David Jaffe completly owned her.

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#4 Rocker6
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Good, she deserved such a response in full!

How pitiful it is to try bashing things you don't understand in the slightest.

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Dayum. Jaffe has and continues to be ridiculously awesome. :cool:

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#6 TheDidact
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David Jaffe owned that B*tch, hard :lol:

lundy86_4

Dam idiot woman, nice that David Jaffe completly owned her.

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The sad thing is, she probably has no idea who he is, what he does, or will take this into any consideration. People like this are so stubborn about their beliefs, nothing will change them except for Jesus coming from the fvcking sky and telling them they're a fvcking dumbass.
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#7 crimsonman1245
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I would pay money to see a talkshow where David Jaffe and Hideki Kamiya just talk. preferably about things that piss them off.

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#8 ionusX
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david jaffe is a number of things but today he made me feel good :D

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#9 TheDidact
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I would pay money to see a talkshow where David Jaffe and Hideki Kamiya just talk. preferably about things that piss them off.

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That would be the greatest thing EVER! :D
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#11 crimsonman1245
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[QUOTE="crimsonman1245"]

I would pay money to see a talkshow where David Jaffe and Hideki Kamiya just talk. preferably about things that piss them off.

TheDidact

That would be the greatest thing EVER! :D

Reporter: "My. Kamiya, what do you think about violence in video games?"

Kamiya: "Ask your mom".

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You know germans in the late 1930s and early 40s played video games and so did the roman empire, so did the US when they bombed japan twice. This clearly means games are the cause of all big acts of violence

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#13 Pedro
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This thread is proof that gamers are generally viewed as teenage idiots and is the reason why David Jaffe and the majority of gamers opinions are void outside of the confines of their social network.
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The sad thing is, she probably has no idea who he is, what he does, or will take this into any consideration. People like this are so stubborn about their beliefs, nothing will change them except for Jesus coming from the fvcking sky and telling them they're a fvcking dumbass.TheDidact

Agreed. I'd love to see some sort of on-air interview between them. Naturally, it'll never happen.

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#15 Timstuff
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Ugh. CNN.

Also, kudos to David Jaff. He put this idiot in her place and remained a class act throughout.

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Ditto! Journalism has become such a shady business.. most of the stories presented all around the world have other motives behind them than just "presenting facts that did happen today/yesterday/whatever"......

Desmonic

Yep. Unfortunately, it very much comes down to things like ownership. Much of the mainstream media has inherent political/social views, due to the parent companies and upper-echelon employees.

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This thread is proof that gamers are generally viewed as teenage idiots and is the reason why David Jaffe and the majority of gamers opinions are void outside of the confines of their social network.Pedro
Now now, Mrs. Burnett. I know Jaffe was a little hard on you, but try not to take what he said too personally.
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[QUOTE="Pedro"]This thread is proof that gamers are generally viewed as teenage idiots and is the reason why David Jaffe and the majority of gamers opinions are void outside of the confines of their social network.nervmeister
Now now, Mrs. Burnett. I know Jaffe was a little hard on you, but try not to take what he said too personally.

Try not to do such a good job in solidifying my point. :)
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"there is too many video games that celebrate the mass killing of Innocent people"

 

can anyone name a game that throws a party for the player that go kill Innocent people?

 

"in grand theft auto if you kill someone you get points. i think thats wrong"

lol clearly they know nothing about the game

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Does anyone even watch TV?
I stopped listening to these weirdos many years ago and it has only done me good.

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"there is too many video games that celebrate the mass killing of Innocent people"

 

can anyone name a game that throws a party for the player that go kill Innocent people?

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Saints Row: The Third but that's a stretch since the civilians aren't really innocent. I once tried to jerk off in front of an old lady and she b!tch smacked me so hard I lost a chunk of my health. Let's just say she got hers. Come at me CNN. :cool:
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#23 Timstuff
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can anyone name a game that throws a party for the player that go kill Innocent people?k2theswiss

The news media?

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[QUOTE="k2theswiss"]can anyone name a game that throws a party for the player that go kill Innocent people?Timstuff

The news media?

........Daaaaaaang...

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[QUOTE="k2theswiss"]can anyone name a game that throws a party for the player that go kill Innocent people?Timstuff

The news media?

Yes it was quite awkward to hear her say glorifying these mass murders when that is in effect all that the media has done, purposefully, and aware of the fact that it tends to cause more of those mass murders to happen in a row. Which of course means PROFIT.

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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="Desmonic"]Ditto! Journalism has become such a shady business.. most of the stories presented all around the world have other motives behind them than just "presenting facts that did happen today/yesterday/whatever"......

Desmonic

Yep. Unfortunately, it very much comes down to things like ownership. Much of the mainstream media has inherent political/social views, due to the parent companies and upper-echelon employees.

Exactly. And that's why so many people just fall under the same opinions forced down by the various media formats, not knowing at all whether that is wrong or right. They just take for granted what they are told by them. In a way we all fall for that, but at least many of us do try to question whether what we are being presented with is right, wrong, relevant or even "forced"... Unfortunately, like I said, most do not. Ah well...

Yeah, it's kinda sad. We need more education on exactly what mainstream media can do. The onset of the internet at least allows for people to  talk  about it, in groups larger than your friends :P

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[QUOTE="Desmonic"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Yep. Unfortunately, it very much comes down to things like ownership. Much of the mainstream media has inherent political/social views, due to the parent companies and upper-echelon employees.

lundy86_4

Exactly. And that's why so many people just fall under the same opinions forced down by the various media formats, not knowing at all whether that is wrong or right. They just take for granted what they are told by them. In a way we all fall for that, but at least many of us do try to question whether what we are being presented with is right, wrong, relevant or even "forced"... Unfortunately, like I said, most do not. Ah well...

Yeah, it's kinda sad. We need more education on exactly what mainstream media can do. The onset of the internet at least allows for people to  talk  about it, in groups larger than your friends :P

That is like saying: history cIasses should focus on the mistakes we made and how to prevent them instead of teaching what year someone is born. The educational system isn't made to actually prepare us for this world. Most of it is build on tradition as the teachers and politicians hold on to those for dear life.
I would be all for it, but to change the system significantly for the better, you'd have to approach it in a very sly and costly way. You would need a lot of martyrs. :P

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United States                   Japan

Per capita spending
on video games

$44                             $55

Civilian firearms           
per 100 people

88                                0.6

Gun homicides
in 2008

11,030                          11

There !

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[QUOTE="nervmeister"][QUOTE="Pedro"]This thread is proof that gamers are generally viewed as teenage idiots and is the reason why David Jaffe and the majority of gamers opinions are void outside of the confines of their social network.Pedro
Now now, Mrs. Burnett. I know Jaffe was a little hard on you, but try not to take what he said too personally.

Try not to do such a good job in solidifying my point. :)

Point being that your idea of "proof" is heresay and spinning of words and facts.
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[QUOTE="k2theswiss"]can anyone name a game that throws a party for the player that go kill Innocent people?Timstuff

The news media?

Boom goes the dynamite. O.o
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American parents and NRA trying to find something to blame beside themselves.

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A thread with David Jaffe name in it? This might lead to the return of Banjo
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That is like saying: history cIasses should focus on the mistakes we made and how to prevent them instead of teaching what year someone is born. The educational system isn't made to actually prepare us for this world. Most of it is build on tradition as the teachers and politicians hold on to those for dear life. 

I would be all for it, but to change the system significantly for the better, you'd have to approach it in a very sly and costly way. You would need a lot of martyrs. :P

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I was talking more of a general education, rather than the school system, but I agree :P

The education system will never change in a significant way. We will forever be sheep, following the crowd :(

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Killing prostitutes is a big thing, its called community service.

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Guns don't kill people, videogames doErin Burnett
:lol: :lol: :lol:, classic! What a moron.
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That was unprofessional of David Jaffe to call her and idiot mainly because I think she has a point there. While GTA doesn't reward you for killing innocents, violence in video games can be directly related to violent incidents in real life simply because video games sensualise violence. The more kids/adults see violence in video games, the more they will see it as "normal/right", and those people could eventually end up as serial killers who see's violence as right and justified, even if their violence is directed at innocent civilians. Keep in mind, I don't agree with everything the news anchor said, and I think she needs to re evaluate her comments, but that also doesn't mean she's necessarily wrong.
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[QUOTE="QuebecNationale"]That was unprofessional of David Jaffe to call her and idiot mainly because I think she has a point there. While GTA doesn't reward you for killing innocents, violence in video games can be directly related to violent incidents in real life simply because video games sensualise violence. The more kids/adults see violence in video games, the more they will see it as "normal/right", and those people could eventually end up as serial killers who see's violence as right and justified, even if their violence is directed at innocent civilians. Keep in mind, I don't agree with everything the news anchor said, and I think she needs to re evaluate her comments, but that also doesn't mean she's necessarily wrong.

And do you have any evidence to support that claim?
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[QUOTE="Pedro"][QUOTE="nervmeister"] Now now, Mrs. Burnett. I know Jaffe was a little hard on you, but try not to take what he said too personally.nervmeister
Try not to do such a good job in solidifying my point. :)

Point being that your idea of "proof" is heresay and spinning of words and facts.

I am assuming that Pedro's point is not about the truth/facts per se; but rather, about how the information is conveyed. If my assumption is correct, then I agree with him.

We know that the reporter and those that share her viewpoint are wrong, but it is a mistake to reply with vitriol and sarcasm and then self congratulate that someone in our camp 'owned' someone in the other camp.  That kind or response/language is easily dismissed as ranting.  

It is far more effective to respond with the facts, logic, in a controlled and reasoned manner.  That is how you influence people; not by acting like a teenager spewing sarcasm and internet slang.

And presumably we do want to influence people...the vast majority without strong views either way.  I think that is Pedro's point, which I would agree with.

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It would have been better if it didn't come of as such a rant. It reads like a system wars post. He has very valid points but comes off as somewhat juvenile. I'm sure Jaffe wrote it. He isn't the best spokesperson for this kind of thing. It lacks the finesse this sort of thing needs.. What he wrote isn't doing anyone any favors.

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[QUOTE="hexashadow13"][QUOTE="QuebecNationale"]That was unprofessional of David Jaffe to call her and idiot mainly because I think she has a point there. While GTA doesn't reward you for killing innocents, violence in video games can be directly related to violent incidents in real life simply because video games sensualise violence. The more kids/adults see violence in video games, the more they will see it as "normal/right", and those people could eventually end up as serial killers who see's violence as right and justified, even if their violence is directed at innocent civilians. Keep in mind, I don't agree with everything the news anchor said, and I think she needs to re evaluate her comments, but that also doesn't mean she's necessarily wrong.

And do you have any evidence to support that claim?

I have common sense and logic as evidence. Just think about it for a second. The War on terror/Afghanistan is a perfect example of how violence can sensualised and seen as normal to the average citizen. Do you remember when Americans in droves cried over the loss of a US soldier? What happened when the casualties rose in greater numbers? People didn't start to care what happened to the soldiers, nor did people care what war crimes their soldiers committed. Mass violence via invasion of a foreign country made violence an everyday occurrence, in which people didn't care. Did Americans care when Gadaffi's body was dragged through the streets of Libya? No, because your average American viewed it as fine and acceptable, which is what I think the news anchor was trying to get at. Video games do exactly that, they visualise extreme violence, and I personally think that video games play a part in why Americans view savage like violence as normal and just.
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It would have been better if it didn't come of as such a rant. It reads like a system wars post. He has very valid points but comes off as somewhat juvenile. I'm sure Jaffe wrote it. He isn't the best spokesperson for this kind of thing. It lacks the finesse this sort of thing needs.. What he wrote isn't doing anyone any favors.

heretrix

Yeah, that is what I was thinking.  Plus he should have linked her the studies he was talking about.  As of right now it is just several paragraphs of "you are an idiot and video games are good."  

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[QUOTE="heretrix"]

It would have been better if it didn't come of as such a rant. It reads like a system wars post. He has very valid points but comes off as somewhat juvenile. I'm sure Jaffe wrote it. He isn't the best spokesperson for this kind of thing. It lacks the finesse this sort of thing needs.. What he wrote isn't doing anyone any favors.

hoola

Yeah, that is what I was thinking.  Plus he should have linked her the studies he was talking about.  As of right now it is just several paragraphs of "you are an idiot and video games are good."  

Agreed. The CNN anchor nor anyone else will be able to take what Jaffe said seriosuly since it was so unprofessional.

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[QUOTE="hexashadow13"][QUOTE="QuebecNationale"]That was unprofessional of David Jaffe to call her and idiot mainly because I think she has a point there. While GTA doesn't reward you for killing innocents, violence in video games can be directly related to violent incidents in real life simply because video games sensualise violence. The more kids/adults see violence in video games, the more they will see it as "normal/right", and those people could eventually end up as serial killers who see's violence as right and justified, even if their violence is directed at innocent civilians. Keep in mind, I don't agree with everything the news anchor said, and I think she needs to re evaluate her comments, but that also doesn't mean she's necessarily wrong.QuebecNationale
And do you have any evidence to support that claim?

I have common sense and logic as evidence. Just think about it for a second. The War on terror/Afghanistan is a perfect example of how violence can sensualised and seen as normal to the average citizen. Do you remember when Americans in droves cried over the loss of a US soldier? What happened when the casualties rose in greater numbers? People didn't start to care what happened to the soldiers, nor did people care what war crimes their soldiers committed. Mass violence via invasion of a foreign country made violence an everyday occurrence, in which people didn't care. Did Americans care when Gadaffi's body was dragged through the streets of Libya? No, because your average American viewed it as fine and acceptable, which is what I think the news anchor was trying to get at. Video games do exactly that, they visualise extreme violence, and I personally think that video games play a part in why Americans view savage like violence as normal and just.

I'm not sure that I disagree with you that sensationalizing violence can lead to it being more normal.
Though the example you give also has a different mechanism at work that kinda sullies it. Humans cannot handle much stress and empathy and their range of intensity of feelings is limited and used primarily for things close to home, so they simply stop empathising when it crosses a very small boundary of impact/importance. If you have 8 victims nobody will feel 8 times the compassion for 1 victim. That would be off the charts and it would kinda fry our brains. We tend to feel even less compassion for 8 victims than for 1. You could argue though that it's partially because it becomes a kinda 'normalised' occurrence when there are many people involved.
It's an interesting argument though, I haven't heard that one before. I have heard people mention desensitization however at first glance that should actually lead to less violent behaviour. You could also say that having something normalised in a videogame actually denormalises it in reality. So I really dunno.
It would be interesting to see what the studies will say, because if violent behaviour can be made normal through a videogame, then we will have to seriously look at advertisements and perhaps construct games that can coax our children and future generations to have certain preferred responses. Like making them enjoy labor, making them vote for me, and removing anger.

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#47 The_Gaming_Baby
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Haha good for you Jaffe. I find it disgraceful how us gamers are looked down on

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#48 Kamekazi_69
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Had he kept his composure his argument would have been more powerful, he went of like a person with a short fuse which is 90% of the internet anyways. We already know CNN is filled with thick skulls so spouting off "idiot" didn't give the community justice. He made alot of valid points though. I hope any proposed legislation concerning games and guns are struck down and not supported by law enforcement because I won't abide by them at all.

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#49 GD1551
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It would have been better if it didn't come of as such a rant. It reads like a system wars post. He has very valid points but comes off as somewhat juvenile. I'm sure Jaffe wrote it. He isn't the best spokesperson for this kind of thing. It lacks the finesse this sort of thing needs.. What he wrote isn't doing anyone any favors.

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Yeah, that is what I was thinking.  Plus he should have linked her the studies he was talking about.  As of right now it is just several paragraphs of "you are an idiot and video games are good."  

Agreed. The CNN anchor nor anyone else will be able to take what Jaffe said seriosuly since it was so unprofessional.

Let's be real here, they wouldn't take it seriously either way, because they are trying to sell their news stories. There have been countless studies that all point toward VGs have little to no effect when it comes to violent behaviour, despite this they continously imply that VGs are a cause of this behaviour and even more so try to link VGs to mass killings to protect the gun industry.

Either way asking for professionalism from a twitter post is a bit much, Jaffe was right in being as blunt as possible on a medium, situation and environment that allows him to be so. When you sugar coat your words in these situations they get you no where, sometimes people need a rude reality check, and had he written a long winded professional letter on twitter she would have instantly ignored it because hard facts do not sell, everything needs to be sensationalized.

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Where did David Jaffe actually post that message and did that CNN reporter actually read it?   I hope so.