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I hate Erin Burnett, Plus this sh*t is getting out of hand.
Get to the real problem and don't blame a sub-culture on mass killings.
Video games may give people the buttons creatively.Â
But video games don't kill people. There are people behind the trigger.Â
There's so much more that goes on in one persons head than "VIDEO GAMES MADE ME DO IT"
. Erin Burnett is wrong. Where are the hard facts?
Instead these newscasters like to prod when professionals give them the answer.
And last but not least we have a rating system on games.
Kid under 17 can't go buy cod. It's absolutely obsurd that we have to be the scapegoat in all this.
Remember the UT tower shooting?
The guy was wearing a sick of it all shirt. What did the media naturally do? Blamed sick of it all.Â
I love anytime Jaffe speaks his mind, but I'm pretty sure he could have reacted a little bit better.
He's not sh1tting on bottom of the barrel media here like Kotaku. He's being inappropriate to a CNN Anchor(arguly a stupid one) who technically has a much bigger, older, and less forgiving audience to him starting a debate with you are an idiot. With all due respect to Jaffe sh1tting the broad for being wrong(and she is) he should have went about his business a lot better than that. He comes off as a kid.
Violent video games may be the tipping point that leads insane people to do insane thingshexashadow13That I can agree with, the people most likely to out and murder are people who are very likely playing video games because they can be alone and not socializing and quench their thirst for violence and killing, in otherwords they are predispositioned for it, like people who get schizophrenia from smoking cannabis where there is evidence that they had the underlying condition the whole time and cannabis sort of revealed it. That is the single, one and only thing I will say about video gaming making people into murderers that I believe has any shred of truth behind it.
[QUOTE="nervmeister"][QUOTE="Pedro"]This thread is proof that gamers are generally viewed as teenage idiots and is the reason why David Jaffe and the majority of gamers opinions are void outside of the confines of their social network.PedroNow now, Mrs. Burnett. I know Jaffe was a little hard on you, but try not to take what he said too personally.Try not to do such a good job in solidifying my point. :) You don't really have a point.
"Know what makes me violent? When people blast crappy music at red lights. Luckily, I turn all violence inward so I just punch myself in the dick till I pass out or come. Its a 50/50 shot which will happen first."
Somebody posted that in the comments section. F*cking hilarious.
that woman is talking out of her ass got what she deserved
and to those of you saying that Jaffe should have been professional, it still wouldn't have made a difference cause the people like this woman have already made up their mind and no amount of proofs would make any difference to them
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[QUOTE="hexashadow13"][QUOTE="QuebecNationale"] I have common sense and logic as evidence. Just think about it for a second. The War on terror/Afghanistan is a perfect example of how violence can sensualised and seen as normal to the average citizen. Do you remember when Americans in droves cried over the loss of a US soldier? What happened when the casualties rose in greater numbers? People didn't start to care what happened to the soldiers, nor did people care what war crimes their soldiers committed. Mass violence via invasion of a foreign country made violence an everyday occurrence, in which people didn't care. Did Americans care when Gadaffi's body was dragged through the streets of Libya? No, because your average American viewed it as fine and acceptable, which is what I think the news anchor was trying to get at. Video games do exactly that, they visualise extreme violence, and I personally think that video games play a part in why Americans view savage like violence as normal and just.QuebecNationaleSo you would expect gun violence to go up with the rise of violent video games, but that is hardly the case. Gun violence has been going down for quite a while, and video games have had absolutely no noticeable statistical effect on that.
You're implying it. Above is a perfect example. He also attended school, I guess we can blame schools too.
You said she is using video games to point out that killing is ok, yet she used GTA and said something that simply isn't true. You don't get points for running over or killing a hooker and it's not ok. You steal money from her and you also get a certain people coming after you.Â
Also, the Virginia Tech shooter played violent video games, so there's proof that violence in video games factor in to real life violence.QuebecNationale
I fail to see how that's proof.. Â
[QUOTE="QuebecNationale"]Also, the Virginia Tech shooter played violent video games, so there's proof that violence in video games factor in to real life violence.Crossel777
I fail to see how that's proof.. Â
Adam Lanza and James Holmes both breathed air. There must be something in the air that poisons people's minds. I propose that we remove all air from the United States of America in order to put an end to gun violence.[QUOTE="QuebecNationale"]Also, the Virginia Tech shooter played violent video games, so there's proof that violence in video games factor in to real life violence.Crossel777
I fail to see how that's proof.. Â
The Virginia Tech shooter never played video games, he was an avid technology user, but he didn't play video games.I actually did a paper on this subject, and I have to agree with David Jaffe. There are no statistical evidences that show the detrimental side effect of video games for the consumer. More importantly, even though there are links that indicate that there might be some connection between video games and aggressive behavior, there is no causal link between violent video games and violent criminal activity.
Wonder how long it will be before all these ignorant pre-internet generation morons will die off. And then, I wonder if because of the internet, if the next new media that comes along won't be blamed for everything by our generation.PlaguelessIt's just a phase. TV used to be blamed for all violence. And Rock Music. And even books, just look at Catcher in the Rye.
Nice and all, but it's much more effective to leave the rage aside and position yourself as the voice of reason.
Can't expect that of Jaffe, of course. It took some amazing self-restraint on his part just to keep from saying "f*ck".
It's obvious her motivates were to tarnish gaming and that Jeff and the Mental health provider called her on it. But Jeff was not being a class act. Shouldn't need to name call to prove your point. And no you do not get points for killing a hooker in GTA. You can get arrested.Ugh. CNN.
Also, kudos to David Jaff. He put this idiot in her place and remained a class act throughout.
Timstuff
[QUOTE="QuebecNationale"]Also, the Virginia Tech shooter played violent video games, so there's proof that violence in video games factor in to real life violence.Crossel777
I fail to see how that's proof.. Â
He probably played tic tac to too. Better ban that.I don't know. She wasn't exactly tactful herself. I s'ppose you shouldn't let others change you like that. His response wasn't cIassy, I'll give you that. It won't matter much either way. The press can spread what they want. It's not like they ever listened to reason. They are not here to understand.nice comeback, but i think his response should have been a lot more respectful because as much as we know what we are talking about, acting hostille or combatative isn't going to get the other side to understand video games and gamers
jsmoke03
I don't know. She wasn't exactly tactful herself. I s'ppose you shouldn't let others change you like that. His response wasn't cIassy, I'll give you that. It won't matter much either way. The press can spread what they want. It's not like they ever listened to reason. They are not here to understand. yes she wasn't tactful, but she is in the majority, and us gamers are in the minority. yes they won't understand, they haven't had an open mind when it comes to really discussing gaming, but we shouldn't play to their stereotypes either. it just brings more hate and more obstacles. i'm an adult so ill be fine if they make the ratings enforceable by law, but i feel bad for the mature underage gamers.[QUOTE="jsmoke03"]
nice comeback, but i think his response should have been a lot more respectful because as much as we know what we are talking about, acting hostille or combatative isn't going to get the other side to understand video games and gamers
KungfuKitten
I don't know. She wasn't exactly tactful herself. I s'ppose you shouldn't let others change you like that. His response wasn't cIassy, I'll give you that. It won't matter much either way. The press can spread what they want. It's not like they ever listened to reason. They are not here to understand.[QUOTE="jsmoke03"]
nice comeback, but i think his response should have been a lot more respectful because as much as we know what we are talking about, acting hostille or combatative isn't going to get the other side to understand video games and gamers
KungfuKitten
An eye for an eye is not how you get respect.Â
Especially when this whole debate concerns aggressive behavior.
[QUOTE="KungfuKitten"]I don't know. She wasn't exactly tactful herself. I s'ppose you shouldn't let others change you like that. His response wasn't cIassy, I'll give you that. It won't matter much either way. The press can spread what they want. It's not like they ever listened to reason. They are not here to understand. An eye for an eye is not how you get respect.[QUOTE="jsmoke03"]
nice comeback, but i think his response should have been a lot more respectful because as much as we know what we are talking about, acting hostille or combatative isn't going to get the other side to understand video games and gamers
Cherokee_Jack
Hardly think he was looking for respect there.
EDIT: and the debate concerns with violent behaviour not aggressive behaviour.
An eye for an eye is not how you get respect.[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"][QUOTE="KungfuKitten"] I don't know. She wasn't exactly tactful herself. I s'ppose you shouldn't let others change you like that. His response wasn't cIassy, I'll give you that. It won't matter much either way. The press can spread what they want. It's not like they ever listened to reason. They are not here to understand.
GD1551
Hardly think he was looking for respect there.
Then what was he looking for? Catharsis? Not very constructive.Then what was he looking for? Catharsis? Not very constructive.Cherokee_Jack
It's a twitter post, and his points are very constructive no matter how they come across. He wasn't writing a paper or response to counter her points in a professional environment, the goal of his post was clearly to show the hypocrisy and deceitfulness she and many of those in her profession constantly display on a daily basis.
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Then what was he looking for? Catharsis? Not very constructive.GD1551
It's a twitter post, and his points are very constructive no matter how they come across. He wasn't writing a paper or response to counter her points in a professional environment, the goal of his post was clearly to show the hypocrisy and deceitfulness she and many of those in her profession constantly display on a daily basis.
To who, us? We already agree with him.
To non-gamers? Like I said, it's always more effective to be the voice of reason and make the other side look unbalanced, especially if you're being portrayed as the crazy ones.
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[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]
Then what was he looking for? Catharsis? Not very constructive.Cherokee_Jack
It's a twitter post, and his points are very constructive no matter how they come across. He wasn't writing a paper or response to counter her points in a professional environment, the goal of his post was clearly to show the hypocrisy and deceitfulness she and many of those in her profession constantly display on a daily basis.
To who, us? We already agree with him.
To non-gamers? Like I said, it's always more effective to be the voice of reason and make the other side look unbalanced.
Anyone with a shred of intellect would look beyond the lewdness of the wording and focus on the actual points and of course it was to us, non-gamers don't know who he is, and don't follow his twitter.
Even if he had a good point to make he comes off as a douche. Instead of coming off as an adult with a consturctive argument he came off as a whiny brat because someone had a conflicting(albeit completely ignorant) opinion. It's not good from an industry standpoint to have what is a pretty decorated game designer putting out a rebuttal like that.Anyone with a shred of intellect would look beyond the lewdness of the wording and focus on the actual points and of course it was to us, non-gamers don't know who he is, and don't follow his twitter.
GD1551
[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]
[QUOTE="GD1551"]
It's a twitter post, and his points are very constructive no matter how they come across. He wasn't writing a paper or response to counter her points in a professional environment, the goal of his post was clearly to show the hypocrisy and deceitfulness she and many of those in her profession constantly display on a daily basis.
GD1551
To who, us? We already agree with him.
To non-gamers? Like I said, it's always more effective to be the voice of reason and make the other side look unbalanced.
Anyone with a shred of intellect would look beyond the lewdness of the wording and focus on the actual points and of course it was to us, non-gamers don't know who he is, and don't follow his twitter.
So in other words he's preaching to the choir.
Thanks, Dave!
[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]
[QUOTE="GD1551"]
It's a twitter post, and his points are very constructive no matter how they come across. He wasn't writing a paper or response to counter her points in a professional environment, the goal of his post was clearly to show the hypocrisy and deceitfulness she and many of those in her profession constantly display on a daily basis.
GD1551
To who, us? We already agree with him.
To non-gamers? Like I said, it's always more effective to be the voice of reason and make the other side look unbalanced.
Anyone with a shred of intellect would look beyond the lewdness of the wording and focus on the actual points and of course it was to us, non-gamers don't know who he is, and don't follow his twitter.
shred of intellect? you place too much faith in people...[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]
So in other words he's preaching to the choir.
Thanks, Dave!
GD1551
More than likely he was venting through his twitter, you are placing more importance on his statement than there is.
Everyone in this thread is placing too much importance on his statement, then. Jaffe placed too much importance on it.Jaffe could have probably been less of a dick about it. Calling the person you're arguing with an idiot only works on System Wars.
[QUOTE="GD1551"][QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]
So in other words he's preaching to the choir.
Thanks, Dave!
Cherokee_Jack
More than likely he was venting through his twitter, you are placing more importance on his statement than there is.
Everyone in this thread is placing too much importance on his statement, then. Jaffe placed too much importance on it.Agreeing with him isn't placing importance on it. You are however making it seem like he was trying to convince people otherwise with his rant, when it was really just a rant full of good points.
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