Console games win in the end

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Espada12

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"]

Why? Because of optimization. Sure games look better on a PC if you have the specs but a console game, more likely an exclusive, is tailored to that specific hardware. All the code needed for system compatibility can be taken out and code is optimized for a more fluid and efficient gaming experience. You'll never know how well a game runs on you're PC until you buy it or if you're lucky you can demo it. Then you have the chance of needing to purchase additional or replacement hardware just to run it.

devious742

thats why the console version of mass effect runs better than the pc version.. o wait:|:D

[QUOTE="svetzenlether"]

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"] Ok but let's say it's a game like crysys which plays better on nvidia cards and you have an old ATI card. And you really want to play crysis. What do you do?Zero_epyon

You have to ask yourself just how badly you want to play Crysis, considering if you''ve got an old video card that the rest of your setup is probably out of date too. Do you want to spend money on hardware for a game or not? Not unlike consoles, really. If I really wanted to play Uncharted 2, I'd have to ask myself if I wanted to spend the money opn hardware to play it.

But if you didn't have a PS3 in the first place, you'd have to make that choice. Just because you have an old PC doesn't mean you have the hardware to play a new PC game. It's like having a PS2 and wanting to play Uncharted...

What i hate is just because your pc is out of date doesnt mean you cant pc game, there's so many great old games out there to playit doesnt make a crap, honestly i play more older games than i do new ones because the new ones suck

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

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dakan45

It did, a Quadcore CPU was recommended for the game to run smoothly. Not that that matters now, all those optimization issues were sorted out months ago with patches.

[QUOTE="devious742"]

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"]

Why? Because of optimization. Sure games look better on a PC if you have the specs but a console game, more likely an exclusive, is tailored to that specific hardware. All the code needed for system compatibility can be taken out and code is optimized for a more fluid and efficient gaming experience. You'll never know how well a game runs on you're PC until you buy it or if you're lucky you can demo it. Then you have the chance of needing to purchase additional or replacement hardware just to run it.

dakan45

thats why the console version of mass effect runs better than the pc version.. o wait:|:D

360:

"There are some technical hitches, however. The framerate can dramatically dip at the worst possible times, and there is a lot of texture pop-in. There are also frequent load times--some of them hidden by elevator rides, others popping up in the midst of exploration"

you sure about that :P btw theres a reason why the pc version got a 9.0 and the 360 got a 8.5

PC:

"Many small issues have been addressed in the PC release, and the result is a more streamlined, more playable version of one of the best role-playing games in recent memory."

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*Minimum Requirements* and *Recommended Requirements*Espada12

Or you could go here. :P

I actually always know how well a game will run on my computer before buying it. I don't even have to ask people. I just know because I'm not an idiot.

treedoor

Why? Because of optimization. Sure games look better on a PC if you have the specs but a console game, more likely an exclusive, is tailored to that specific hardware. All the code needed for system compatibility can be taken out and code is optimized for a more fluid and efficient gaming experience. You'll never know how well a game runs on you're PC until you buy it or if you're lucky you can demo it. Then you have the chance of needing to purchase additional or replacement hardware just to run it.

[QUOTE="dakan45"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

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*Minimum Requirements* and *Recommended Requirements*

steve17989

It did, a Quadcore CPU was recommended for the game to run smoothly. Not that that matters now, all those optimization issues were sorted out months ago with patches.

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"][QUOTE="svetzenlether"]

You have to ask yourself just how badly you want to play Crysis, considering if you''ve got an old video card that the rest of your setup is probably out of date too. Do you want to spend money on hardware for a game or not? Not unlike consoles, really. If I really wanted to play Uncharted 2, I'd have to ask myself if I wanted to spend the money opn hardware to play it.

But if you didn't have a PS3 in the first place, you'd have to make that choice. Just because you have an old PC doesn't mean you have the hardware to play a new PC game. It's like having a PS2 and wanting to play Uncharted...

[QUOTE="dakan45"][QUOTE="devious742"]

thats why the console version of mass effect runs better than the pc version.. o wait:|:D

devious742

360:

"There are some technical hitches, however. The framerate can dramatically dip at the worst possible times, and there is a lot of texture pop-in. There are also frequent load times--some of them hidden by elevator rides, others popping up in the midst of exploration"

you sure about that :P btw theres a reason why the pc version got a 9.0 and the 360 got a 8.5

PC:

"Many small issues have been addressed in the PC release, and the result is a more streamlined, more playable version of one of the best role-playing games in recent memory."

hmm i thought the pc has seuperior standards... the 9 is a lie, but thats just a game there many unopimimized crap, eg dragon ages requires a quad core for the medium-high settings, its made by bioware and it looks awfull :lol: i guess your logic backfired... because its made by bioware.

[QUOTE="devious742"]

mass effect a game with amazing optimazation... lets try with some other games instead....dakan45

360:

"There are some technical hitches, however. The framerate can dramatically dip at the worst possible times, and there is a lot of texture pop-in. There are also frequent load times--some of them hidden by elevator rides, others popping up in the midst of exploration"

you sure about that :P btw theres a reason why the pc version got a 9.0 and the 360 got a 8.5

PC:

"Many small issues have been addressed in the PC release, and the result is a more streamlined, more playable version of one of the best role-playing games in recent memory."

hmm i thought the pc has seuperior standards... the 9 is a lie, but thats just a game there many unopimimized crap, eg dragon ages requires a quad core for the medium-high settings, its made by bioware and it looks awfull :lol: i guess your logic backfired... because its made by bioware.

[QUOTE="steve17989"]

[QUOTE="dakan45"] right it worked so well for gta iv.....dakan45

It did, a Quadcore CPU was recommended for the game to run smoothly. Not that that matters now, all those optimization issues were sorted out months ago with patches.

It runs smoothly on my Dualcore system on close to maximum settings, but that's with the latest patch. When it released that may have been a different story, but it's certainly better optimized now.

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"]

Why? Because of optimization. Sure games look better on a PC if you have the specs but a console game, more likely an exclusive, is tailored to that specific hardware. All the code needed for system compatibility can be taken out and code is optimized for a more fluid and efficient gaming experience. You'll never know how well a game runs on you're PC until you buy it or if you're lucky you can demo it. Then you have the chance of needing to purchase additional or replacement hardware just to run it.

dakan45

PC's can use ANY controller ever. If your PC meets the "recommened" specs it is optimized to your system, simmiliar to a console. Difference is is you beat the recommended specs you can run a game even better.

What boggles my mind is that most people have a PC for one reason or another. Putting a $200+ video card in a PC is like buying a console. Whats the huge problem if you have a PC already? Of course this doesn't apply to everyone but if you choose to only have a PC, you can actually spend less money having a gaming rig then a PC, plus console. Especially with the lower cost of new PC games vs console.

Why the hell should I pay $60 a game to have it run like crap compared to my PC. Optimization be damned, the Xbox 360 and PS3 CANNOT run ANY game better then my GTX 280.

Consoles are for exclusives. PC's are for everything else.

[QUOTE="dakan45"]

[QUOTE="devious742"]

360:

"There are some technical hitches, however. The framerate can dramatically dip at the worst possible times, and there is a lot of texture pop-in. There are also frequent load times--some of them hidden by elevator rides, others popping up in the midst of exploration"

you sure about that :P btw theres a reason why the pc version got a 9.0 and the 360 got a 8.5

PC:

"Many small issues have been addressed in the PC release, and the result is a more streamlined, more playable version of one of the best role-playing games in recent memory."

tirralirra

hmm i thought the pc has seuperior standards... the 9 is a lie, but thats just a game there many unopimimized crap, eg dragon ages requires a quad core for the medium-high settings, its made by bioware and it looks awfull :lol: i guess your logic backfired... because its made by bioware.

Why? Because of optimization. Sure games look better on a PC if you have the specs but a console game, more likely an exclusive, is tailored to that specific hardware. All the code needed for system compatibility can be taken out and code is optimized for a more fluid and efficient gaming experience. You'll never know how well a game runs on you're PC until you buy it or if you're lucky you can demo it. Then you have the chance of needing to purchase additional or replacement hardware just to run it.

Zero_epyon

[QUOTE="dakan45"][QUOTE="steve17989"]

It did, a Quadcore CPU was recommended for the game to run smoothly. Not that that matters now, all those optimization issues were sorted out months ago with patches.

steve17989

It runs smoothly on my Dualcore system on close to maximum settings, but that's with the latest patch. When it released that may have been a different story, but it's certainly better optimized now.

[QUOTE="dakan45"][QUOTE="Zero_epyon"]

Why? Because of optimization. Sure games look better on a PC if you have the specs but a console game, more likely an exclusive, is tailored to that specific hardware. All the code needed for system compatibility can be taken out and code is optimized for a more fluid and efficient gaming experience. You'll never know how well a game runs on you're PC until you buy it or if you're lucky you can demo it. Then you have the chance of needing to purchase additional or replacement hardware just to run it.

Metalscarz

PC's can use ANY controller ever. If your PC meets the "recommened" specs it is optimized to your system, simmiliar to a console. Difference is is you beat the recommended specs you can run a game even better.

What boggles my mind is that most people have a PC for one reason or another. Putting a $200+ video card in a PC is like buying a console. Whats the huge problem if you have a PC already? Of course this doesn't apply to everyone but if you choose to only have a PC, you can actually spend less money having a gaming rig then a PC, plus console. Especially with the lower cost of new PC games vs console.

Why the hell should I pay $60 a game to have it run like crap compared to my PC. Optimization be damned, the Xbox 360 and PS3 CANNOT run ANY game better then my GTX 280.

Consoles are for exclusives. PC's are for everything else.

From what I've heard, the minimum RAM requirement is 4GB, which probably also means a 64-bit OS. And usually, the minimum requirements given for any PC game (or other piece of software, for that matter) don't really do the it justice.

HuusAsking

You heard wrong, that's the reccomended RAM for Vista. No game will require 4gb of ram and a 64bit OS for quite some time. And generally low-medium settings at a decent res=console level graphics.

[QUOTE="steve17989"]

[QUOTE="dakan45"] right but the game needs a quadcore by defeault to run smoothly even on low.....dakan45

It runs smoothly on my Dualcore system on close to maximum settings, but that's with the latest patch. When it released that may have been a different story, but it's certainly better optimized now.

I don't really know to be honest. A few weeks ago I purchased GTAIV on an impulse considering it was so cheap. I installed and updated it and it ran great so I'm not complaining.

[QUOTE="dakan45"][QUOTE="steve17989"]

It runs smoothly on my Dualcore system on close to maximum settings, but that's with the latest patch. When it released that may have been a different story, but it's certainly better optimized now.

steve17989

I don't really know to be honest. A few weeks ago I purchased GTAIV on an impulse considering it was so cheap. I installed and updated it and it ran great so I'm not complaining.

[QUOTE="steve17989"]

[QUOTE="dakan45"] did it came out recently? because i cant possibly know since i dropped the game 2 months ago...dakan45

I don't really know to be honest. A few weeks ago I purchased GTAIV on an impulse considering it was so cheap. I installed and updated it and it ran great so I'm not complaining.

For my Dualcore rig I have a: Intel Dualcore E8500 OC@3.6GHz, GTX260 and 4g of RAM. It seems your CPU was the main thing holding back your frames in GTAIV, you just have to overclock it.

anyone with an IQ over 50 and an internet connection will know if the particular game will work well on its pc. A mid-high end $150-200 vga will last you easily 2-3years for medium-high settings in any game case point my 8800gt is 20 months old runs all games at 1440x900 ( my monitor res ) with max settings and most of the times even with 4x-16x antialiasing on
Even console centric games like wanted weapons of fate run at 60fps at my pc with 16xAA
even if you are completely computer illiterate you can go here ( they actually test every game on different pc configs ) and see if the game will run good ( i found systemrequirements labs rather inconsistent)

All you have to do is update your vga driver once every 5-6 months and you are good to go

[QUOTE="svetzenlether"]

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"] Right, but if Uncharted 3 comes out on the PS3 I won't have to worry about upgrading anything. I'll just buy the game. With better optimization they'll make the game run better and possibly look better without the need to buy more up to date stuff.tirralirra

But if you didn't have a PS3 in the first place, you'd have to make that choice. Just because you have an old PC doesn't mean you have the hardware to play a new PC game. It's like having a PS2 and wanting to play Uncharted...

[QUOTE="dakan45"][QUOTE="steve17989"]

I don't really know to be honest. A few weeks ago I purchased GTAIV on an impulse considering it was so cheap. I installed and updated it and it ran great so I'm not complaining.

steve17989

For my Dualcore rig I have a: Intel Dualcore E8500 OC@3.6GHz, GTX260 and 4g of RAM. It seems your CPU was the main thing holding back your frames in GTAIV, you just have to overclock it.

[QUOTE="steve17989"]

[QUOTE="dakan45"] tell me your system and settings... here is mine: amd dualcore 2.6 nvidia 9800gtx+ 512 mb and 4g ram and it plays like crap on medium...dakan45

For my Dualcore rig I have a: Intel Dualcore E8500 OC@3.6GHz, GTX260 and 4g of RAM. It seems your CPU was the main thing holding back your frames in GTAIV, you just have to overclock it.

Also good.

consoles suck i would of never got to play quake 2 online if i was a console gamer.

LOL still to this day no console only gamer has ever got to play quake 2 online LULZ

consoles suck i would of never got to play quake 2 online if i was a console gamer.

LOL still to this day no console only gamer has ever got to play quake 2 online LULZ

videogamesdead8

[QUOTE="steve17989"]

[QUOTE="dakan45"] did it came out recently? because i cant possibly know since i dropped the game 2 months ago...dakan45

I don't really know to be honest. A few weeks ago I purchased GTAIV on an impulse considering it was so cheap. I installed and updated it and it ran great so I'm not complaining.

Why? Because of optimization. Sure games look better on a PC if you have the specs but a console game, more likely an exclusive, is tailored to that specific hardware. All the code needed for system compatibility can be taken out and code is optimized for a more fluid and efficient gaming experience. You'll never know how well a game runs on you're PC until you buy it or if you're lucky you can demo it. Then you have the chance of needing to purchase additional or replacement hardware just to run it.

Zero_epyon

You're declaring PC gaming sucks because you're too technically illiterate to know what's in your system?

You just sound like a console gamer to me, ignorant to what goes on under the hood of any system. That just speaks about your own technical knowledge rather than says anything about PC gaming.

You are also making a big assumption here.

"code is optimized for a more fluid and efficient gaming experience"

I'm sure console marketing will tell you that, but the whole guaranteed 720p/30fps constant thing is a load of bull. Consoles guarantee nothing from their experience, they just like to make their consumers think they do. So a sub HD/frame dropping game comes out on consoles and there is nothing you can do about it.

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"]

Why? Because of optimization. Sure games look better on a PC if you have the specs but a console game, more likely an exclusive, is tailored to that specific hardware. All the code needed for system compatibility can be taken out and code is optimized for a more fluid and efficient gaming experience. You'll never know how well a game runs on you're PC until you buy it or if you're lucky you can demo it. Then you have the chance of needing to purchase additional or replacement hardware just to run it.

AnnoyedDragon

You're declaring PC gaming sucks because you're too technically illiterate to know what's in your system?

You just sound like a console gamer to me, ignorant to what goes on under the hood of any system. That just speaks about your own technical knowledge rather than says anything about PC gaming.

You are also making a big assumption here.

"code is optimized for a more fluid and efficient gaming experience"

I'm sure console marketing will tell you that, but the whole guaranteed 720p/30fps constant thing is a load of bull. Consoles guarantee nothing from their experience, they just like to make their consumers think they do. So a sub HD/frame dropping game comes out on consoles and there is nothing you can do about it.

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"]

Why? Because of optimization. Sure games look better on a PC if you have the specs but a console game, more likely an exclusive, is tailored to that specific hardware. All the code needed for system compatibility can be taken out and code is optimized for a more fluid and efficient gaming experience. You'll never know how well a game runs on you're PC until you buy it or if you're lucky you can demo it. Then you have the chance of needing to purchase additional or replacement hardware just to run it.

AnnoyedDragon

You're declaring PC gaming sucks because you're too technically illiterate to know what's in your system?

You just sound like a console gamer to me, ignorant to what goes on under the hood of any system. That just speaks about your own technical knowledge rather than says anything about PC gaming.

You are also making a big assumption here.

"code is optimized for a more fluid and efficient gaming experience"

I'm sure console marketing will tell you that, but the whole guaranteed 720p/30fps constant thing is a load of bull. Consoles guarantee nothing from their experience, they just like to make their consumers think they do. So a sub HD/frame dropping game comes out on consoles and there is nothing you can do about it.

EDIT: Yes Call of Duty 4 runs at 600p but it is scaled to 720p and 1080p. I have the game and a 1080p TV and it runs just fine. Why no one is bothering with the link says it all.

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"]

Why? Because of optimization. Sure games look better on a PC if you have the specs but a console game, more likely an exclusive, is tailored to that specific hardware. All the code needed for system compatibility can be taken out and code is optimized for a more fluid and efficient gaming experience. You'll never know how well a game runs on you're PC until you buy it or if you're lucky you can demo it. Then you have the chance of needing to purchase additional or replacement hardware just to run it.

Zero_epyon

You're declaring PC gaming sucks because you're too technically illiterate to know what's in your system?

You just sound like a console gamer to me, ignorant to what goes on under the hood of any system. That just speaks about your own technical knowledge rather than says anything about PC gaming.

You are also making a big assumption here.

"code is optimized for a more fluid and efficient gaming experience"

I'm sure console marketing will tell you that, but the whole guaranteed 720p/30fps constant thing is a load of bull. Consoles guarantee nothing from their experience, they just like to make their consumers think they do. So a sub HD/frame dropping game comes out on consoles and there is nothing you can do about it.

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"]

Why? Because of optimization. Sure games look better on a PC if you have the specs but a console game, more likely an exclusive, is tailored to that specific hardware. All the code needed for system compatibility can be taken out and code is optimized for a more fluid and efficient gaming experience. You'll never know how well a game runs on you're PC until you buy it or if you're lucky you can demo it. Then you have the chance of needing to purchase additional or replacement hardware just to run it.

Zero_epyon

You're declaring PC gaming sucks because you're too technically illiterate to know what's in your system?

You just sound like a console gamer to me, ignorant to what goes on under the hood of any system. That just speaks about your own technical knowledge rather than says anything about PC gaming.

You are also making a big assumption here.

"code is optimized for a more fluid and efficient gaming experience"

I'm sure console marketing will tell you that, but the whole guaranteed 720p/30fps constant thing is a load of bull. Consoles guarantee nothing from their experience, they just like to make their consumers think they do. So a sub HD/frame dropping game comes out on consoles and there is nothing you can do about it.

And anyway, even if by some mircale that was even true, so what? that's one game, every other console game runs well worse than that, lower res (a lot of games run less than 720p), lower fps, lower aa.

Why? Because of optimization. Zero_epyon

you enjoy your optimization. i'll enjoy my better looking, better playing games with better online and a decent framerate/resolution

lol 600p

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"]

Why? Because of optimization. hy4k

you enjoy your optimization. i'll enjoy my better looking, better playing games with better online and a decent framerate/resolution

lol 600p

No I NEVER said PC games suck. I just built a PC with a Core I7 920, two ati 4980's set to crossfire on an Asus p6t SE with 6GB ddr3 Ram and 4 Hdd at RAID 10. I just don't think it's worth buying all of this equipment just for games. Besides Call of Duty 4 is a perfect example of my point. It runs on a Console at 60 FPS at 1080P with AA. http://playstation.joystiq.com/2007/08/14/call-of-duty-4-on-the-ps3-run-at-60fps-with-full-aa/ If you've played console games, especially call of duty 4 you'd understand my point even further. Zero_epyon

:|

No it doesn't. Call of Duty 4 only runs at 600p on consoles. 1080p resolutions are nearly 3 and a half times larger than that. Low end gaming PCs generally have monitors that can pull off 1280x1024 easily - over TWICE the size.

No I NEVER said PC games suck. I just built a PC with a Core I7 920, two ati 4980's set to crossfire on an Asus p6t SE with 6GB ddr3 Ram and 4 Hdd at RAID 10. I just don't think it's worth buying all of this equipment just for games. Besides Call of Duty 4 is a perfect example of my point. It runs on a Console at 60 FPS at 1080P with AA. http://playstation.joystiq.com/2007/08/14/call-of-duty-4-on-the-ps3-run-at-60fps-with-full-aa/ If you've played console games, especially call of duty 4 you'd understand my point even further. Zero_epyon

Call of Duty 4 isn't even 720p according to here.

I hope you all live to see the day that Onlive rises from Elysium and PC Games will no longer have system requirements!! :P

But in all seriousness folks, I've had a computer for a year and a half and I've been able to play all of my games without any trouble, bar some moments in Crysis.

[QUOTE="hy4k"]

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"]

Why? Because of optimization. Brainkiller05

you enjoy your optimization. i'll enjoy my better looking, better playing games with better online and a decent framerate/resolution

lol 600p

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

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dakan45

Yea it did, I still haven't had a problem with that game. Sorry that console can barely keep a stable framerate in the game though...

[QUOTE="ColdfireTrilogy"]The day PC games die is the day you guys lose all hope of getting good consoles. Who do you think develops high end CPUs and Graphics chips .... MS and Sony ????? ROFL (not including the cell). Nvid/ATI/AMD/intel .... without an aggressive gaming market for them to develop for on the PC platform you guys are gonna have to run on net book quality stuff someday. Have fun with your intel accelerated Xbox 9000....dc337

The sales are there, but they see the greater potential in making more accessible titles. Not only does it cost less but you can have more potential customers. Also yes.. the PC gaming industry is what pushes new tech. Who else do you think buys the newest consumer tech? PC gaming enthusiast, not console gamers, not companies, PC gaming enthusiasts.

The PC library isn't bad, but it's mostly limited to shooters, RPGs, and strategy/RTS.NYrockinlegend

False. Just look at this list - you telling me that's "mostly limited to shooters, RPGs, and strategy/RTS"? :roll:

Screw that, strategy is a grouping of like a half dozen very different and varied genres by itself.

[QUOTE="dakan45"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

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Espada12

Yea it did, I still haven't had a problem with that game. Sorry that console can barely keep a stable framerate in the game though...

that happens severely in the pc....

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="dakan45"] right it worked so well for gta iv.....dakan45

Yea it did, I still haven't had a problem with that game. Sorry that console can barely keep a stable framerate in the game though...

that happens severely in the pc....

I have the PC, PS3 and 360 version. I'd think I would know what happens on which platform.