Console gaming> PC?

Is it just me or are the consoles beating the crap out of the PC this gen? I've always thought PCs were at the fore front of new technical achievements in gaming. But this time around I've got to say that consoles are leading the way. Games look and play better on consoles this generation. And most of the good games that have come out in the last two years have been on consoles, and some of them have even been exclusive to consoles (GTA4/MGS4/NG2/). And the future is looking better for consoles also. As all the good PC games that use to be exclusives are now multi-plat. Only saving grave for PC this gen seems to be Blizzard. They're the only top AAA PC developer who hasn't decided to to go multi-platform.

Games look and play better on consoles this generation.ShimmerMan

You must be posting from an alternate universe.

What's with all the joke threads lately? A new fad?

for me yes. I'm just used to console gaming. never really got into PC gaming except for a handfull of games. UT, Quake3, SoF2, GTA2 and that's it

for probably everyone else no

You haven't seen the GTX 280 then. Cuz that baby smokes the crap out of the X360's and PS3's video cards.BladesOfAthena

And what exactly are you going to use that hardware for. I can only think of two games that need it, and those are Crysis and AOC. Any other decent game that has come out on the PC is on the console. And the consoles can run games at 19x12 resolutions without losing even 1 framerate. Where as to do the same thing on the PC you would need to spend 2k worth of dollars.

Anyway point being, PC game catalogue has dried up. yes the hardware is there but where are the PC exclusives that actually take use of the hardware?If they made Crysis for the consoles (which I believe is posssible) you would be able to run Crysis at 1080p with no dip in framerate.

And the consoles can run games at 19x12 resolutions without losing even 1 framerate. Where as to do the same thing on the PC you would need to spend 2k worth of dollars. ShimmerMan

Yeah. Definitely trolling.

This is now a troll the troll thread.

Enjoy your sub-720p.

Is it just me or are the consoles beating the crap out of the PC this gen? I've always thought PCs were at the fore front of new technical achievements in gaming. But this time around I've got to say that consoles are leading the way. Games look and play better on consoles this generation. And most of the good games that have come out in the last two years have been on consoles, and some of them have even been exclusive to consoles (GTA4/MGS4/NG2/). And the future is looking better for consoles also. As all the good PC games that use to be exclusives are now multi-plat. Only saving grave for PC this gen seems to be Blizzard. They're the only top AAA PC developer who hasn't decided to to go multi-platform.

ShimmerMan

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Run this.

Also, you should be aware it's company's that make technoligy for pc's that's been running this next gen of consoles and pc's dev's who have made most of the xbox 360's highest rated games. So, rather than having delusions of grandure like your genitalia is alot bigger than you actually think, you should really be saying "thank you" for it's contribution.

some games are 720p... never sub par 720p. Alot of games upscale to 1080i. But there are games that are 1080p. Still if you look at the same game on a PC and a Xbox 360. There's little difference. it's the same game engine and the engine is what mattersShimmerMan

All console games are rendered at 1280x720 or less with the exception of a couple. A staggering number fall in to the "less than 720p category."

As for "upscaling to 1080i": upscaling isn't the same thing as rendering the game natively at that resolution. Upscaling is done primarily to help with television resolution compatability -- upscaler interpolation will not make the game look any better than it does at 720p..and in some cases, it can make it look worse.

Games on PC always look better since they can scale, with better hardware than the consoles, to much higher resolutions, have higher levels of Anti-Aliasing, and they also usually have higher overall detail levels for game resources.

I enjoy pc and console gaming equally.Ballroompirate

some games are 720p... never sub par 720p. Alot of games upscale to 1080i. But there are games that are 1080p. Still if you look at the same game on a PC and a Xbox 360. There's little difference. it's the same game engine and the engine is what mattersShimmerMan

that's just not true, there are a lot of games that run sub 720. Head over to guru3d forums for an entire list of 'em. With the current GPU's on PC, games run and look far nicer. I've got every system, and it's easy to notice. An ATI4850 ($199) is now considered a high end GPU along with the ($299) 4870 GPU, they make the 360 specs look ancient. And that's not even mentioning the Nvidia cards coming out, the 260 and the 280, plus the price drop of the 9800GTX's, which is just insane. All that needs to happen now is more games taking advantage of the latest PC tech, which will happen with most multiplat titles coming this Fall, including FarCry 2, Fallout 3, Left4Dead, World In Conflict expansion, etc...etc.. and exclusives like Crysis Warhead, Stalker Clear Sky, CoH 2 early next year, and DoW2 early next year. After we're done with just graphics, let's not forget about juggernauts like Starcraft 2, Spore, and WoW:WotLK, Warhammer Online, D3 etc...etc..etc...which are all excellent reasons to pick up a or build a gaming rig. Consoles are great, but you're missing out on a much different experience without PC Gaming.

The ignorance is strong in this one.

I think the PC is getting most of the love this generation, actually. It's library of games is similar to that of the Xbox 360 (which has the largest library of console games this generation) while it also has it's own library of exclusives, such as Crysis, STALKER 1 & 2, Company of Heroes, World in Conflict, Starcraft II, Diablo III, Sins of the Solar Empire, etc.

Also take into consideration that PC hardware is getting cheaper and cheaper these days, especially considering the prices of hardware in the past; a high-end video card back in 2000 would've cost you $800 while a high-end video card this year, 2008, will cost you about $400, half the price from 8 years ago.

You can scale games much higher on PC.. But will it run properly. If we look at the best looking games out atm. One is MGS4. it runs at 30/60fps or whatever constant at 1080p. the other Crysis. Now does Crysis honestly look that much better than MGS4. IMO no, not unless you have a PC that cost stupid amounts of money and your running Crysis at very high on DX10. Which 95% of people can't do. If yo udid a average survey, and compared PC users computers to a Xbox360.. I would say that the console players on avaerage play games at a better graphical setting and with better FPS ratio than pc players.

Of course there is always the one person who has a 5k alienware and can run anything maxed out. But you can't compare the majority of PC gamers to these lucky few.

The ignorance is strong in this one.

I think the PC is getting most of the love this generation, actually. It's library of games is similar to that of the Xbox 360 (which has the largest library of console games this generation) while it also has it's own library of exclusives, such as Crysis, STALKER 1 & 2, Company of Heroes, World in Conflict, Starcraft II, Diablo III, Sins of the Solar Empire, etc.

Also take into consideration that PC hardware is getting cheaper and cheaper these days, especially considering the prices of hardware in the past; a high-end video card back in 2000 would've cost you $800 while a high-end video card this year, 2008, will cost you about $400, half the price from 8 years ago.

-Jiggles-

Stalker good game. But technically not that great. Crysis we all know about. And Blizzard are coming out with SC2 and D3. I agree with those... good games. But then again if you have a look at the Xbox360 lineup... It's honestly alot stronger. I would go as far to say as at least twice as strong. As for hardware getting cheaper yes... But still to build a very good system that can play the likes of Crysis on max settings is going to cost at least 2-3k.. Which is not really that cheap imo.

You can scale games much higher on PC.. But will it run properly. If we look at the best looking games out atm. One is MGS4. it runs at 30/60fps or whatever constant at 1080p. the other Crysis. Now does Crysis honestly look that much better than MGS4.

ShimmerMan

Oh boy... 14? 15?

[QUOTE="BladesOfAthena"]You haven't seen the GTX 280 then. Cuz that baby smokes the crap out of the X360's and PS3's video cards.ShimmerMan

And what exactly are you going to use that hardware for. I can only think of two games that need it, and those are Crysis and AOC. Any other decent game that has come out on the PC is on the console. And the consoles can run games at 19x12 resolutions without losing even 1 framerate. Where as to do the same thing on the PC you would need to spend 2k worth of dollars.

Anyway point being, PC game catalogue has dried up. yes the hardware is there but where are the PC exclusives that actually take use of the hardware?If they made Crysis for the consoles (which I believe is posssible) you would be able to run Crysis at 1080p with no dip in framerate.

That's not the point. You said that consoles were leading the forefront technology-wise, which is factually incorrect given that there are videocards that outclass that of the X360's/PS3's. Most PS3/X360 games have problems aren't even locked at 60 FPS, let alone at a consistent 30 FPS, something which is nonexistent on PC hardware. Heck, even a well-designed PC can double that.

Is it just me or are the consoles beating the crap out of the PC this gen? I've always thought PCs were at the fore front of new technical achievements in gaming. But this time around I've got to say that consoles are leading the way. Games look and play better on consoles this generation. And most of the good games that have come out in the last two years have been on consoles, and some of them have even been exclusive to consoles (GTA4/MGS4/NG2/). And the future is looking better for consoles also. As all the good PC games that use to be exclusives are now multi-plat. Only saving grave for PC this gen seems to be Blizzard. They're the only top AAA PC developer who hasn't decided to to go multi-platform.

ShimmerMan

You raise several points in your OP for why consoles are beating the PC (and the delicious notion that we need to compare all consoles together to beat the PC).

They are:

• Games library
• Graphics
• Movement of exclusives

From a completely objective perspective, your wrong on all these arguments. Let me do them one by one.

Games Library

The PC is not only beating every individual console in AAAE and AAE exclusives, but it's beating all of them combined as of the 360's release. The only thing the PC does not have is an AAAA, but considering it's nearest rival the 360 is 5 AAAEs behind and 44 AAEs behind, I think we can give the PC the nod as having the best library this generation.

This is of course ignoring that the PC has always had the most AAAEs and AAEs and has near complete backwards compatibility.

Graphics/Gameplay

The majority of PC-console multiplats look much better on PC (COD4, Bioshock, Oblivion, Assassin's Creed, Gears of War, DMC4). This trend looks to continue into the future, Far Cry 2 on consoles has already been described as 'drab' and 'unspectacular' compared to the PC version.

PC exclusives are obviously still ahead of the pack. You mention Crysis and Age of Conan and somehow think by flippantly listing them they aren't relevent to this discussion. They are. There are also games like the Total War series and Supreme Commander whose visuals just don't work on consoles simply because they lack the RAM.

Movement of Exclusives

This one perplexes me. Console only players attempting to bring down the PC constantly bring this one up, but it shoots their argument in the foot. Why?

Because the console is losing A LOT more games to the PC, and the PC is losing few of its franchises. Proof is in the pudding, once again, the PC has the most exclusives. It frequently pinches other systems exclusives too.

Consoles have lost of the top of my head: Gears of War, Mass Effect, Burnout Paradise, Lost Odyssey (EDIT: Did mean Lost Planet), Viva Pinata, Devil May Cry and Guitar Hero, Assassin's Creed.

They're probably going to lose big ones in the future too. Based on precedent, they may lose Halo 3, Fable 2 and even MGS 4.

The PC has lost: Supreme Commander, Call of Duty Far Cry and Fallout. There are definitely more, but they aren't the bread and butter of the system's exclusives haven't been lost this generation.

Another major different between this movement of exclusives, 90% of the time PC games going to the consoles are worse (Sup Com for example), 90% of the time console games going to the PC are superior versions.

[QUOTE="ShimmerMan"]

Is it just me or are the consoles beating the crap out of the PC this gen? I've always thought PCs were at the fore front of new technical achievements in gaming. But this time around I've got to say that consoles are leading the way. Games look and play better on consoles this generation. And most of the good games that have come out in the last two years have been on consoles, and some of them have even been exclusive to consoles (GTA4/MGS4/NG2/). And the future is looking better for consoles also. As all the good PC games that use to be exclusives are now multi-plat. Only saving grave for PC this gen seems to be Blizzard. They're the only top AAA PC developer who hasn't decided to to go multi-platform.

Danm_999

You raise several points in your OP for why consoles are beating the PC (and the delicious notion that we need to compare all consoles together to beat the PC).

They are:

• Games library
• Graphics
• Movement of exclusives

From a completely objective perspective, your wrong on all these arguments. Let me do them one by one.

Games Library

The PC is not only beating every individual console in AAAE and AAE exclusives, but it's beating all of them combined as of the 360's release. The only thing the PC does not have is an AAAA, but considering it's nearest rival the 360 is 5 AAAEs behind and 44 AAEs behind, I think we can give the PC the nod as having the best library this generation.

This is of course ignoring that the PC has always had the most AAAEs and AAEs and has near complete backwards compatibility.

Graphics/Gameplay

The majority of PC-console multiplats look much better on PC (COD4, Bioshock, Oblivion, Assassin's Creed, Gears of War, DMC4). This trend looks to continue into the future, Far Cry 2 on consoles has already been described as 'drab' and 'unspectacular' compared to the PC version.

PC exclusives are obviously still ahead of the pack. You mention Crysis and Age of Conan and somehow think by flippantly listing them they aren't relevent to this discussion. They are. There are also games like the Total War series and Supreme Commander whose visuals just don't work on consoles simply because they lack the RAM.

Movement of Exclusives

This one perplexes me. Console only players attempting to bring down the PC constantly bring this one up, but it shoots their argument in the foot. Why?

Because the console is losing A LOT more games to the PC, and the PC is losing few of its franchises. Proof is in the pudding, once again, the PC has the most exclusives. It frequently pinches other systems exclusives too.

Consoles have lost of the top of my head: Gears of War, Mass Effect, Lost Odyssey, Viva Pinata, Devil May Cry and Guitar Hero, Assassin's Creed.

They're probably going to lose big ones in the future too. Based on precedent, they may lose Halo 3, Fable 2 and even MGS 4.

The PC has lost: Supreme Commander, Far Cry and Fallout. There are definitely more, but they aren't the bread and butter of the system's exclusives.

Another major different between this movement of exclusives, 90% of the time PC games going to the consoles are worse (Sup Com for example), 90% of the time console games going to the PC are superior versions.

Lost Odyssey for PC? I need a link for that one. Millennium_King

Bah, Lost Planet.

When you have a lot to type, you tend to get a detail or two wrong :P

I'm not mistaken. and I'm not trolling. Just stating my opinions. So far nothing I've said is made up. And nothing anyone has said has really made me change my opinion on the game platforms this generation. I still believe console games generally look better than PC games this generation. Unless you have a rig that costs thousands your better off with a console. And second of all the game library. Xbox360 is the top dog imo. And the up and coming lineup looks better for consoles. Res5/Fable2/god of war2/GOW2/prince of persia. the PC lineup all I'm seeing is another expansion for WOW, which I don't play personally. And the Blizzard games SC2 and D3.

I know the PC gets alot of unpopular games which score well. Like for example management games and turn based strategy. And these games of course are going to count towards statistics and surveys. But for the majority of gamers out there they dont really mean anything when comparing the platforms.

CoH 2 early next year

mismajor99

Company of Heroes 2 has been announced? And for 2009?

As far as I know, Relic has never released 2 full-blown games in one year. The most I've seen is an expansion pack and a full game in one year, and that's only one occasion so far.

Besides, it's not a good idea for a game company to release two products in direct competition.

I'm not mistaken. and I'm not trolling. Just stating my opinions. So far nothing I've said is made up.

ShimmerMan

So your saying your opinions are fact? :?

I'm not mistaken. and I'm not trolling. Just stating my opinions. So far nothing I've said is made up. And nothing anyone has said has really made me change my opinion on the game platforms this generation. I still believe console games generally look better than PC games this generation. Unless you have a rig that costs thousands your better off with a console. And second of all the game library. Xbox360 is the top dog imo. And the up and coming lineup looks better for consoles. Res5/Fable2/god of war2/GOW2/prince of persia. the PC lineup all I'm seeing is another expansion for WOW, which I don't play personally. And the Blizzard games SC2 and D3.

I know the PC gets alot of unpopular games which score well. Like for example management games and turn based strategy. And these games of course are going to count towards statistics and surveys. But for the majority of gamers out there they dont really mean anything when comparing the platforms.

ShimmerMan

Read Damn_999's post and try to counter everything that he said.

Read Damn_999's post and try to counter everything that he said.

I read his post. His argument was that the PC has a few better games this gen according to critic reviews. But honestly I'm wondering which games these are because personally I think the games exclusives released for PC over the last few years have been dry compared to consoles.

Graphics. PC multi- plats look better. yes if you have a $3000 system. Does COD4 look better on a mid range system than on a XBOX360? IMO no

As for exclusives... Most games ported to PC from console I wouldn't even install if someone gave them to me for free. AC/DMC4/GH... they're not PC games in the same way strategy is not a console game. the games that the PC has lost have been serios titles... Not crap like DMC4. Wer'e talking Call of duty series. Oblivion. Fallout3. Bioshock.. the best games of this generation.

Is it just me or are the consoles beating the crap out of the PC this gen? I've always thought PCs were at the fore front of new technical achievements in gaming. But this time around I've got to say that consoles are leading the way. Games look and play better on consoles this generation. And most of the good games that have come out in the last two years have been on consoles, and some of them have even been exclusive to consoles (GTA4/MGS4/NG2/). And the future is looking better for consoles also. As all the good PC games that use to be exclusives are now multi-plat. Only saving grave for PC this gen seems to be Blizzard. They're the only top AAA PC developer who hasn't decided to to go multi-platform.

ShimmerMan

Well i would like to post my responce to that but it would be removed for trolling or something cuz it would be 3 pages of HAHAHAHAHA......

You are totally wrong, in every way, thats not just opinion, its FACT.

I dont dislike consoles, i love them. I have an xbox 360 and play it quite alot so im not biast.

PC Gaming = Most AA and AAA, Most Exclusives, Best Graphics BY FAR, Best Games (dont judge by score because PC games are on a totally different scale, read gamespot if u dont believe me), Best Controlls..............

Again, that is distrue and i would love to post many fail pics but that would probably be anoying

[QUOTE="ShimmerMan"]

Is it just me or are the consoles beating the crap out of the PC this gen? I've always thought PCs were at the fore front of new technical achievements in gaming. But this time around I've got to say that consoles are leading the way. Games look and play better on consoles this generation. And most of the good games that have come out in the last two years have been on consoles, and some of them have even been exclusive to consoles (GTA4/MGS4/NG2/). And the future is looking better for consoles also. As all the good PC games that use to be exclusives are now multi-plat. Only saving grave for PC this gen seems to be Blizzard. They're the only top AAA PC developer who hasn't decided to to go multi-platform.

Danm_999

You raise several points in your OP for why consoles are beating the PC (and the delicious notion that we need to compare all consoles together to beat the PC).

They are:

• Games library
• Graphics
• Movement of exclusives

From a completely objective perspective, your wrong on all these arguments. Let me do them one by one.

Games Library

The PC is not only beating every individual console in AAAE and AAE exclusives, but it's beating all of them combined as of the 360's release. The only thing the PC does not have is an AAAA, but considering it's nearest rival the 360 is 5 AAAEs behind and 44 AAEs behind, I think we can give the PC the nod as having the best library this generation.

This is of course ignoring that the PC has always had the most AAAEs and AAEs and has near complete backwards compatibility.

Graphics/Gameplay

The majority of PC-console multiplats look much better on PC (COD4, Bioshock, Oblivion, Assassin's Creed, Gears of War, DMC4). This trend looks to continue into the future, Far Cry 2 on consoles has already been described as 'drab' and 'unspectacular' compared to the PC version.

PC exclusives are obviously still ahead of the pack. You mention Crysis and Age of Conan and somehow think by flippantly listing them they aren't relevent to this discussion. They are. There are also games like the Total War series and Supreme Commander whose visuals just don't work on consoles simply because they lack the RAM.

Movement of Exclusives

This one perplexes me. Console only players attempting to bring down the PC constantly bring this one up, but it shoots their argument in the foot. Why?

Because the console is losing A LOT more games to the PC, and the PC is losing few of its franchises. Proof is in the pudding, once again, the PC has the most exclusives. It frequently pinches other systems exclusives too.

Consoles have lost of the top of my head: Gears of War, Mass Effect, Burnout Paradise, Lost Odyssey (EDIT: Did mean Lost Planet), Viva Pinata, Devil May Cry and Guitar Hero, Assassin's Creed.

They're probably going to lose big ones in the future too. Based on precedent, they may lose Halo 3, Fable 2 and even MGS 4.

The PC has lost: Supreme Commander, Call of Duty Far Cry and Fallout. There are definitely more, but they aren't the bread and butter of the system's exclusives haven't been lost this generation.

Another major different between this movement of exclusives, 90% of the time PC games going to the consoles are worse (Sup Com for example), 90% of the time console games going to the PC are superior versions.

Dude!

Phenominal post, just so true

Just amazing.

I would also like to add how Gamespot mensions that all games are on different ratings scales and seeing how PC games have MUCH MUCH more of everything and alot of phenominal games it getes rated harsher. a 10.0 on Xbox 360 isnt the same as a 10.0. So comparing AAAAs are totally out of the question.

I read his post. His argument was that the PC has a few better games this gen according to critic reviews. But honestly I'm wondering which games these are because personally I think the games exclusives released for PC over the last few years have been dry compared to consoles.

Graphics. PC multi- plats look better. yes if you have a $3000 system. Does COD4 look better on a mid range system than on a XBOX360? IMO no

As for exclusives... Most games ported to PC from console I wouldn't even install if someone gave them to me for free. AC/DMC4/GH... they're not PC games in the same way strategy is not a console game. the games that the PC has lost have been serios titles... Not crap like DMC4. Wer'e talking Call of duty series. Oblivion. Fallout3. Bioshock.. the best games of this generation.

ShimmerMan

That's all we are getting from you for the most part...opinion, your getting factback but just giving more and more opinion back in return.

If not to troll, what exactly is the point of this thread? To make an unarguable argument against your own personal opinion?

I read his post. His argument was that the PC has a few better games this gen according to critic reviews. But honestly I'm wondering which games these are because personally I think the games exclusives released for PC over the last few years have been dry compared to consoles.

Graphics. PC multi- plats look better. yes if you have a $3000 system. Does COD4 look better on a mid range system than on a XBOX360? IMO no

As for exclusives... Most games ported to PC from console I wouldn't even install if someone gave them to me for free. AC/DMC4/GH... they're not PC games in the same way strategy is not a console game. the games that the PC has lost have been serios titles... Not crap like DMC4. Wer'e talking Call of duty series. Oblivion. Fallout3. Bioshock.. the best games of this generation.

ShimmerMan

You can't argue that system has a poor library because it does not suit your taste.

I personally have no interest whatsoever in any handheld or console library, does that mean that they're sucky?

Well, unless you're a close-minded fanboy (which you are, TC) you'll actually see that a great library is when you get a large quantity of good games, that appeal to a wide number of people. And the PC has more highly-rated exclusives from Gamespot than any individual console this generation, as well has more variety among those games.

Oh and PC building does not cost anywhere near @3000. Unless my days spent here reading personal PC builds of prices around $700 from several posters (who weren't disproved) were no more than dreams. I don't build PCs, but I can point you to a person who'd saved up a build plan that doesn't break half that much.

Oh and those continuations that the PC "lost" to consoles have and will end up inferior to their PC predecessors. I should know, I've played Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare and I can say that the original Call of Duty is still superior. As well as Bioshock and Oblivion being stated by many people to be inferior to System Shock 2 and The Elder Scrolls I: Arena, II: Daggerfall and III: Morrowind respectively.

"Best games this generation" is also an opinion and you can't use opinions to define actual facts. Since every gamer has different tastes.

Bah, I bet you're the type of guy who thinks suckass games like Hour of Victory are better than kickass games like Company of Heroes because the latter isn't your type anyway. So I'm just wasting my time talking to a guy who can't counter fact with fact and proceeds to try to change his original argument into an opinion-based one. :roll: Worthless debate.

I'm not sure on this. On one hand it's nice how on the same interface you use for work and many other activities you can also play your games on it. It's also nice to have all the freedom you have with a PC game(except the damn DRM...), ie. modding. But then it's a bit bothersome to HAVE the games on your computer since they take up a lot of space.

So in a way it's nice to have a console that's specifically made FOR games, especially since in most cases it's much faster to start a game on a console than on a PC. And then, although it seems backwards, it's also nice for there to be a standard platform on which games are to be played. It makes technical problems occur much less frequently and even if they do occur, they're easier to diagnose and fix.

Don't think I'm some sort of a fanboy for either, because I use both and I think that consoles and PC's both have their places, in different situations.

Saying Elder Scrolls 4 is worse than 1, 2, and 3 is opinion not fact.

And to thread creator, actually nowadays you can get an awesome computer that will run everything for maybe $1300 from Dell.ca. Here's an example:
http://configure.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=ca&CS=cadhs1&l=en&OC=42023V_R_1E
Upgrade ram to 4GB and video card to best one.

Ok first of all. I'm not a console fanboy. I just built a brand new PC 3 days ago that cost me $900. It's not really in my interest to slate the PC platform as I just spent so much money on building a computer. I'm just stating my opinions. I've played PC and console games for a long time. I played Daggerfall when it was released. I played the first MMORPG (meridian 59). I played Ultima, system shock, doom, duke3d, Quake, Starcraft etc. And whilst I played those games on my PC I also played the console games such as Mortal combat for example.I always believe PC gaming was the way to go if you had the money. The perks outweighed the disadvantages concerning price. PC had good deep games. Console had beat em ups and *** RPGs. Things are different now though.

Now my point in this thread is that the PC golden era is long gone. And for the first time I believe console gaming is better this generation than PC gaming if you weigh the pros and cons. Alot of PC top Developers defecting to consoles. Bioware who created some of the best PC RPGs appear to concentrate more on consoles now days. Bethesda have gone multi-platform. Almost all of the good FPS are now on the consoles. Even HL2 and TF2. Consoles are now outputting high resolutions which use to be one of the major perks of playing PC games. Where once there was a sea between console and PC now there is nothing but a pond. And yet the cost difference still remains.

The PC still has its benefits. It has those games which are perhaps not as high budget as the top titles but are still very good. For example The Witcher, Stalker and others. But even those games are rumored to be going to the consoles. And the PC has MMORPG if your into that kind of stuff. But still I think consoles are winning this generation war.

Saying Elder Scrolls 4 is worse than 1, 2, and 3 is opinion not fact.

death919

I didn't say it was fact, I said that it's a fact that many people say it is worse.

Now go take a lesson on reading properly.

Of course I said that I found Call of Duty 4 to be inferior to the original, but that still isn't stating it as a fact anyway - because I typed I found.

I stated the inferiority of console-multiplat sequels to PC-exclusive originals in a manner that looked like I said it was a fact because, well, I haven't seen anyone give a proper argument as to how Bioshock is superior to System Shock 2 or how Oblivion is superior to Morrowind, .etc.

Wow. Your opinions are built from a stubborn console perspective. Of course you'd find games like Ninja Gaiden and Gears of War to be more impressive than the great PC Games. They're straightforward, nothing new, action packed, pretty, and quite plain video games, while the PC games you snuffed off are deep, interesting games that take more than 10 minutes to get into.

Stop being so stubborn, PC Gaming isn't as expensive as you make it out to be.

[QUOTE="death919"]

Saying Elder Scrolls 4 is worse than 1, 2, and 3 is opinion not fact.

aliblabla2007

I didn't say it was fact, I said that it's a fact that many people say it is worse.

Now go take a lesson on reading properly.

Of course I said that I found Call of Duty 4 to be inferior to the original, but that still isn't stating it as a fact anyway - because I typed I found.

I stated the inferiority of console-multiplat sequels to PC-exclusive originals in a manner that looked like I said it was a fact because, well, I haven't seen anyone give a proper argument as to how Bioshock is superior to System Shock 2 or how Oblivion is superior to Morrowind, .etc.

Quote: "I should know, I've played Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare and I can say that the original Call of Duty is still superior." I don't see the word "I found" in there at all.

Argument for why Elder Scrolls 4 is better than Elder Scrolls 3:
Elder Scrolls 4 average review score (according to gamerankings): 92.921
Elder Scrolls 3 average review score (according to gamerankings): 88.885

So not sure where you're getting that ES4 is generally considered worse than ES3.

Bioshock vs System Shock 2:
Bioshock: 95.076%
System Shock 2: 92.026%

What exactly are you basing your so-called "fact" that most people consider a) ES3 > ES4, and b) SS2 > Bioshock?

Ok first of all. I'm not a console fanboy. I just built a brand new PC 3 days ago that cost me $900. It's not really in my interest to slate the PC platform as I just spent so much money on building a computer. I'm just stating my opinions. I've played PC and console games for a long time. I played Daggerfall when it was released. I played the first MMORPG (meridian 59). I played Ultima, system shock, doom, duke3d, Quake, Starcraft etc. And whilst I played those games on my PC I also played the console games such as Mortal combat for example.I always believe PC gaming was the way to go if you had the money. The perks outweighed the disadvantages concerning price. PC had good deep games. Console had beat em ups and *** RPGs. Things are different now though.

Now my point in this thread is that the PC golden era is long gone. And for the first time I believe console gaming is better this generation than PC gaming if you weigh the pros and cons. Alot of PC top Developers defecting to consoles. Bioware who created some of the best PC RPGs appear to concentrate more on consoles now days. Bethesda have gone multi-platform. Almost all of the good FPS are now on the consoles. Even HL2 and TF2. Consoles are now outputting high resolutions which use to be one of the major perks of playing PC games. Where once there was a sea between console and PC now there is nothing but a pond. And yet the cost difference still remains.

The PC still has its benefits. It has those games which are perhaps not as high budget as the top titles but are still very good. For example The Witcher, Stalker and others. But even those games are rumored to be going to the consoles. And the PC has MMORPG if your into that kind of stuff. But still I think consoles are winning this generation war.

ShimmerMan

Bioware has sold more games on the pc than console, they are working on dragons age atm, for, the pc. I don't recall Valve mainly working on consoles. They have always made Halflife multi-platform since the ps2/xbox days. They too, sell better on the pc than consoles.

Pc's still have higher resolutions than console, pc has always been niche. The PC still has the most exclusives and it's games still get high ratings. While a consoles technology sits static for 5 yeas+ the pc, continually progresses, such is it's unrestricted nature.

With all due respect, you sound absolutely like a fanboy, you use opinion and completely ignore facts.

Ok first of all. I'm not a console fanboy. I just built a brand new PC 3 days ago that cost me $900. It's not really in my interest to slate the PC platform as I just spent so much money on building a computer. I'm just stating my opinions. I've played PC and console games for a long time. I played Daggerfall when it was released. I played the first MMORPG (meridian 59). I played Ultima, system shock, doom, duke3d, Quake, Starcraft etc. And whilst I played those games on my PC I also played the console games such as Mortal combat for example.I always believe PC gaming was the way to go if you had the money. The perks outweighed the disadvantages concerning price. PC had good deep games. Console had beat em ups and *** RPGs. Things are different now though.

Now my point in this thread is that the PC golden era is long gone. And for the first time I believe console gaming is better this generation than PC gaming if you weigh the pros and cons. Alot of PC top Developers defecting to consoles. Bioware who created some of the best PC RPGs appear to concentrate more on consoles now days. Bethesda have gone multi-platform. Almost all of the good FPS are now on the consoles. Even HL2 and TF2. Consoles are now outputting high resolutions which use to be one of the major perks of playing PC games. Where once there was a sea between console and PC now there is nothing but a pond. And yet the cost difference still remains.

The PC still has its benefits. It has those games which are perhaps not as high budget as the top titles but are still very good. For example The Witcher, Stalker and others. But even those games are rumored to be going to the consoles. And the PC has MMORPG if your into that kind of stuff. But still I think consoles are winning this generation war.

ShimmerMan

Actually, that's just the process of PC devs and genres going to console, ending up being replaced by new developers (generally successful if they try new and original things, a.k.a. Relic and GSC GameWorld).

While Microsoft is trying to make consoles more similar to PC's in power, it's not really even that close. PC's currently output max resolutions nearly double that of consoles, and the most technically advanced game of the generation is still on PC, and it's expansion pack will raise the bar even higher.

Also, consoles are getting more expensive each generation, as opposed to PC parts getting cheaper each generation. So while the cost difference still remains, it's narrowing. Yet the graphics gap is already noticeable (hell, Company of Heroes in some ways is more graphically advanced than Gears of War, and it came out earlier, and it's an RTS as opposed to TPS) and it's only about halfway through the generation.

S.T.A.L.K.E.R. and The Witcher respectively are reaching a year of age (S.T.A.L.K.E.R. is already past that) without any solid announcement of console development. Yes, the devs may have been certified with console development, but the games haven't. Neither have Crysis, Company of Heroes, Sins of a Solar Empire, Total War series or whatever, all of which are kickass.

Now:

Consider that consoles have been going up in price, whereas the PC has decreased in price.

Consider that biggest exclusive console library (Xbox 360) now isn't even half the size of the PC library. Whereas last gen the PS2 was over two-thirds the size of the PC library, if I remember correctly.

Consider that consoles still cannot match the PC in actual online play or graphics.

Consider that consoles are losing their previous advantages of being less of a hassle than PCs. They still are, but when you have the PS3, well.....