Console gaming> PC?

That list pits consoles against each other. Not the aim of this thread tbh. And also most of the top games are strategy games. Niche market, and not exactly technically up there with the likes of the exclusives that are on the consoles. And alot of expansions. I think you need to start being brutally honest instead of blindedly defending PC. PC game line up has been fairly dab so far. Sure its had some good games. But none of them apart from a few actually make use of the hardware that's avalible to PC users. Like GTA4 or MGS4 did for the consoles. And most of the exclusives are just rehashes and expansions. ATM the hardware out there is steps ahead of the actual games that are avalible. This is the first time in PC gaming where I'm betting most gamers don't really feel the need to actually upgrade their system.. Because there's no games out there that need it.

ShimmerMan

First and foremost creating this thread has been the biggest compliment to PC gaming that you could possibly have given. If the only way you can even attempt to drag down PC gaming is to combine 3 different platforms against 1, then PC gaming wins by default.

Now, you're complaining about expansions counting. Well, why shouldn't they? They provide the same amount of content as a brand new game and, being on the PC, means they usually provide considerably more content than a full console game. Also by saying this you are being a pretty big hypocrite. Saying expansions shouldn't count is a BIG stretch given what I just said, however, you have yet to say/admit that a good amount of the console list is made up of past, outdated, sports titles. I mean should we really count NBA 2k6, NBA 2k7, NCAA Football 2007? Seriously, those titles are now COMPLETELY WORTHLESS. This is not the case with PC expansions which are essentially brand new games with brand new content.

You can't blindly bash one platform and turn your cheek at the other just so it fits your point.

You've been a huge hypocrite this entire thread and you've showed time and time again to have virtually zero knowledge about PC gaming. It says a lot about someone when they blindly bash something that they know nothing about. I hope in the future people will start to disregard what you say as you've shown here that you are not worth listening to.

^ yeah alright m8. Just a thread on a gaming board, not life or death. no need to get personal. And I'm betting I know more about PC gaming than youShimmerMan

you only reviewed 2 360 games..and gave them 10's how do you know more about pc gameing then he??

what has my account on Gamespot got to do with my knowledge on gaming. Are you ok?ShimmerMan

Well, you do have two 360 games and they are both a ten. And that means that you have pretty low standards. And trust me if you have played any good PC game you would have wanted to review those to. You may know alot about gaming but i bet you know pretty much nothing on PC gaming.

[QUOTE="ShimmerMan"]what has my account on Gamespot got to do with my knowledge on gaming. Are you ok?DarxPhil

Well, you do have two 360 games and they are both a ten. And that means that you have pretty low standards. And trust me if you have played any good PC game you would have wanted to review those to. You may know alot about gaming but i bet you know pretty much nothing on PC gaming.

Even though you are assuming alot, I have to side with you DarxPhil.

^ yeah alright m8. Just a thread on a gaming board, not life or death. no need to get personal. And I'm betting I know more about PC gaming than youShimmerMan

You've shown your ignorance towards PC gaming in this thread. This is why, instead of responding, you just threw out the ole "yeah, well, I bet I know more than you" remark.

Is it just me or are the consoles beating the crap out of the PC this gen? I've always thought PCs were at the fore front of new technical achievements in gaming. But this time around I've got to say that consoles are leading the way. Games look and play better on consoles this generation. And most of the good games that have come out in the last two years have been on consoles, and some of them have even been exclusive to consoles (GTA4/MGS4/NG2/). And the future is looking better for consoles also. As all the good PC games that use to be exclusives are now multi-plat. Only saving grave for PC this gen seems to be Blizzard. They're the only top AAA PC developer who hasn't decided to to go multi-platform.

ShimmerMan

So what are you trying to say? That the reason PC isn't >Console is because PC isn't taking enough advantage if their hardware? That just because every game on PC isn't like Crysis that PC has no credibility over consoles whatsoever?

Oh. One problem. Consoles are NOT at the forefront of any technical revolution, and PC has a much better back catalogue. You have contradicted yourself there... Happens so much on SW its unreal.

Wow....just wow

Even most of the console fanboys have stoped argueing because they realize how dumb this thread is.

PC Wins in every way from a factual point of view and is much better.

You like consoles more? Thats cool. You wanna argue that consoles are better? You an idiot.

[QUOTE="BladesOfAthena"]You haven't seen the GTX 280 then. Cuz that baby smokes the crap out of the X360's and PS3's video cards.ShimmerMan

cough cod4 600p cough there are basicly no console game running more than 720p and many are running sup 600p. the fact is games are mostly multiplat now name 10 x360 games that aren't on pc.

And what exactly are you going to use that hardware for. I can only think of two games that need it, and those are Crysis and AOC. Any other decent game that has come out on the PC is on the console. And the consoles can run games at 19x12 resolutions without losing even 1 framerate. Where as to do the same thing on the PC you would need to spend 2k worth of dollars.

Anyway point being, PC game catalogue has dried up. yes the hardware is there but where are the PC exclusives that actually take use of the hardware?If they made Crysis for the consoles (which I believe is posssible) you would be able to run Crysis at 1080p with no dip in framerate.

some games are 720p... never sub par 720p. Alot of games upscale to 1080i. But there are games that are 1080p. Still if you look at the same game on a PC and a Xbox 360. There's little difference. it's the same game engine and the engine is what mattersShimmerMan

upscaling doesn't = 1080p you can run a pc game in 800 x 600 and then run it on a hdtv in 1080p

have your forgotten about 2007? wic, supcom, crysis, stalker etc? consoles are just starting to catch up and then the next big pc game will come out and blow them away againimprezawrx500

Anyone who knows enough about gaming, be it a consolite or a hermit will know PC has always won but now think that "pc is dieing" lol. The PC had more AA/AAAs last generation beating the all mighty PS2 and know pc has more AAEs than all the consoles combined. And if u look at Gamespot's Greatest games of all time the PC has 33, PS 9, NES 9 and the rest are small. The Quality of games on the PC is much better than on consoles its a disgrace to compare it.

[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"]

go look it up on the marvel alliance fourms, I really don't have time right now. it also a big subject with far cry too as well. even epic games unreal tourmentclone01

unreal TOURNAMENT does have console mod support. also, you want to start an argument, but you don't want to do the leg work to back it up? really, you had time to respond, you have the time to use the internet for a few seconds.

here is marvel allaince for example

the mods they get alot console players were up set Pc had more heros and stuff to offer

http://www.marvelmods.com/

You can't play the phenix on concoles can you? I wonder how meny super hero fans buys would to play all the charactors from the marvel universe

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/marvel-ultimate-alliance-mod/1789450205

while on console you had to pay and did not even get as meny heros

http://www.marvelultimatealliance.com/

when asked fans of marvel alliance was asked what plat was the liked pc came out 1

http://marvelmods.com/index.php?option=com_poll&task=results&id=16&mosmsg=Thanks+for+your+vote%21

Even last gen PC games owns the consoles right now.

Stalker easily crushes Gears 2 to!

IgorVitaly

Consoles just are to weak, fact, simple as that! ;)

Even Crysis on medium crushes al lconsole games easily!

Is it just me or are the consoles beating the crap out of the PC this gen? I've always thought PCs were at the fore front of new technical achievements in gaming. But this time around I've got to say that consoles are leading the way. Games look and play better on consoles this generation. And most of the good games that have come out in the last two years have been on consoles, and some of them have even been exclusive to consoles (GTA4/MGS4/NG2/). And the future is looking better for consoles also. As all the good PC games that use to be exclusives are now multi-plat. Only saving grave for PC this gen seems to be Blizzard. They're the only top AAA PC developer who hasn't decided to to go multi-platform.

ShimmerMan

actually consoles are leading the way but not technically. take a look at crysis. the problem with pcs is that there is no standardized specs like consoles. so you have most pcs tht suck ass at gaming and the select few that blow the crap out of consoles technically. generally speaking though consoles have pwned pc in gaming

You haven't seen the GTX 280 then. Cuz that baby smokes the crap out of the X360's and PS3's video cards.BladesOfAthena

While costing more than the console itself. :lol:

Consoles are a better buy and graphics isn't far apart with today's popular games.

[QUOTE="ShimmerMan"]

Is it just me or are the consoles beating the crap out of the PC this gen? I've always thought PCs were at the fore front of new technical achievements in gaming. But this time around I've got to say that consoles are leading the way. Games look and play better on consoles this generation. And most of the good games that have come out in the last two years have been on consoles, and some of them have even been exclusive to consoles (GTA4/MGS4/NG2/). And the future is looking better for consoles also. As all the good PC games that use to be exclusives are now multi-plat. Only saving grave for PC this gen seems to be Blizzard. They're the only top AAA PC developer who hasn't decided to to go multi-platform.

superferret2029

actually consoles are leading the way but not technically. take a look at crysis. the problem with pcs is that there is no standardized specs like consoles. so you have most pcs tht suck ass at gaming and the select few that blow the crap out of consoles technically. generally speaking though consoles have pwned pc in gaming

Consoles are leading the way? Really? At what?

Most highly rated titles and exclusives?....no, pc wins easily.

Most gamers?....no, pc has over 260 million.

Most profitable?....no, pc brings in a lot more money than any console.

So what exactly do they lead in? It looks to me like the only thing they lead in is ignorant fanboys such as yourself.

Crysis OWNS all console games, that is a hard cold fact!

I agree with the pc having better AAA games but PC games dont usually sell as well as consoles games like crysis only sold 1.5 million copies where as games like super mario galaxy sold over 6 million,MGS 3 million and GTA4 over 11 millionken8659

.... Why choose Crysis? Why not WoW? :roll: ... Crysis is not our best game.... not by far.

[QUOTE="ken8659"]I agree with the pc having better AAA games but PC games dont usually sell as well as consoles games like crysis only sold 1.5 million copies where as games like super mario galaxy sold over 6 million,MGS 3 million and GTA4 over 11 millionPC360Wii

.... Why choose Crysis? Why not WoW? :roll: ... Crysis is not our best game.... not by far.

[QUOTE="PC360Wii"]

[QUOTE="ken8659"]I agree with the pc having better AAA games but PC games dont usually sell as well as consoles games like crysis only sold 1.5 million copies where as games like super mario galaxy sold over 6 million,MGS 3 million and GTA4 over 11 millionken8659

.... Why choose Crysis? Why not WoW? :roll: ... Crysis is not our best game.... not by far.

Indeed, ( Although its been 10 million since january ) , but why doesnt it count? the Expansion outsold Halo aswell.

I dont see how you can list a very small handful of amazing sellers, and then we cant use WoW? /boggles.

Games look and play better on consoles this generation. ShimmerMan

ROFL!!!!!............ AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA

Consoles are for casuals. PC is niche and will never sell as well as the mainstream. If you are a hardcore gamer and not a casual noob you'll get alot more out of a PC than a console.

[QUOTE="ShimmerMan"]

Games look and play better on consoles this generation. blizzle

ROFL!!!!!............ AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA

Consoles are for casuals. PC is niche and will never sell as well as the mainstream. If you are a hardcore gamer and not a casual noob you'll get alot more out of a PC than a console.

[QUOTE="ken8659"][QUOTE="PC360Wii"]

[QUOTE="ken8659"]I agree with the pc having better AAA games but PC games dont usually sell as well as consoles games like crysis only sold 1.5 million copies where as games like super mario galaxy sold over 6 million,MGS 3 million and GTA4 over 11 millionPC360Wii

.... Why choose Crysis? Why not WoW? :roll: ... Crysis is not our best game.... not by far.

Indeed, ( Although its been 10 million since january ) , but why doesnt it count? the Expansion outsold Halo aswell.

I dont see how you can list a very small handful of amazing sellers, and then we cant use WoW? /boggles.

[QUOTE="blizzle"][QUOTE="ShimmerMan"]

Games look and play better on consoles this generation. HuusAsking

ROFL!!!!!............ AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA

Consoles are for casuals. PC is niche and will never sell as well as the mainstream. If you are a hardcore gamer and not a casual noob you'll get alot more out of a PC than a console.

play better it depends but there are many perihiperals for the pc so it most likely beats the consoles on controlling wise.

Only really advantage of a console is that its got much better multiplayer for friends and family such as a few friends playing a racing on a couch,

PC will never be on top until it becomes mainstream in a major gaming territory, but its still nice anyway : )SoaSE_General

Do you enjoy living in your fairy tale land?

What does it take to be "on top"? Highest rated games?...check! Most gamers?....check! Most profitable?....check!

Seems to me the PC has everything that you need to be "on top".

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="blizzle"][QUOTE="ShimmerMan"]

Games look and play better on consoles this generation. ken8659

ROFL!!!!!............ AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA

Consoles are for casuals. PC is niche and will never sell as well as the mainstream. If you are a hardcore gamer and not a casual noob you'll get alot more out of a PC than a console.

play better it depends but there are many perihiperals for the pc so it most likely beats the consoles on controlling wise.

Only really advantage of a console is that its got much better multiplayer for friends and family such as a few friends playing a racing on a couch,

[QUOTE="ken8659"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="blizzle"][QUOTE="ShimmerMan"]

Games look and play better on consoles this generation. HuusAsking

ROFL!!!!!............ AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA

Consoles are for casuals. PC is niche and will never sell as well as the mainstream. If you are a hardcore gamer and not a casual noob you'll get alot more out of a PC than a console.

play better it depends but there are many perihiperals for the pc so it most likely beats the consoles on controlling wise.

Only really advantage of a console is that its got much better multiplayer for friends and family such as a few friends playing a racing on a couch,

Alright ya got me, PCs can do Casual and Hardcore :D. Why do we need consoles again?

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="trix5817"]

No console players wish they had mods? What? Please tell me you're joking....

Mods are HUGE. I don't care what type of gamer you are. It's FREE content and FREE games and more. What's not to like? No please.....tell me...

trix5817

It's a contributing factor. It's actually one of the main reasons why I'm a PC gamer. Project Reality is a mod for BF2 and is much better than vanilla BF2 (there's also another great mod called Point of Existence 2). They improve on the game, add better maps, and change the gameplay a bit (Project Reality makes it more realistic and tactical). One of my favorite maps in CoD was a user created map. I wouldn't even play CoD4 anymore if it weren't for user created maps because I hate the maps it shipped with. Oblivion was a broken game without mods. Many mods, such as Red Orchestra and CS, become full retail games after they've become popular.

Point is, mods are a big deal. There's no denying it.

not really...i've never seen a console game succeed or fail based on mod support.

It's a matter of preference really. With consoles starting to offer some of the features that PCs originally had exlusively, I personally have been spending less time playing games on the PC as opposed to on my 360. But both serve their purpose and both have exclusive games that make playing on PC and Consoles a must.

[QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="trix5817"]

No console players wish they had mods? What? Please tell me you're joking....

Mods are HUGE. I don't care what type of gamer you are. It's FREE content and FREE games and more. What's not to like? No please.....tell me...

clone01

It's a contributing factor. It's actually one of the main reasons why I'm a PC gamer. Project Reality is a mod for BF2 and is much better than vanilla BF2 (there's also another great mod called Point of Existence 2). They improve on the game, add better maps, and change the gameplay a bit (Project Reality makes it more realistic and tactical). One of my favorite maps in CoD was a user created map. I wouldn't even play CoD4 anymore if it weren't for user created maps because I hate the maps it shipped with. Oblivion was a broken game without mods. Many mods, such as Red Orchestra and CS, become full retail games after they've become popular.

Point is, mods are a big deal. There's no denying it.

not really...i've never seen a console game succeed or fail based on mod support.

Yes, they are. You can deny it all you want, but the amount of threads and comments regarding the DLC or GTA IV prove that additional content is important. If it weren't, nobody would care about DLC. Now, PC games get all that free and you're trying to say that's not a big deal and they're not important?...whatever, keep living in your fantasy land.

Yes, they are. You can deny it all you want, but the amount of threads and comments regarding the DLC or GTA IV prove that additional content is important. If it weren't, nobody would care about DLC. Now, PC games get all that free and you're trying to say that's not a big deal and they're not important?...whatever, keep living in your fantasy land.mudman91878

so now DLC is a type of mod? okay. and quit putting words in my mouth. i never said that mods aren't important to some people. i said that MOST console only gamers do not care that much about them.

[QUOTE="mudman91878"]

Yes, they are. You can deny it all you want, but the amount of threads and comments regarding the DLC or GTA IV prove that additional content is important. If it weren't, nobody would care about DLC. Now, PC games get all that free and you're trying to say that's not a big deal and they're not important?...whatever, keep living in your fantasy land.clone01

so now DLC is a type of mod? okay. and quit putting words in my mouth. i never said that mods aren't important to some people. i said that MOST console only gamers do not care that much about them.

I never said DLC is a type of mod. It's extra content added to a game, which is exactly what a mod does.

trix said mods are a big deal and you said 'no they aren't'. There's only one way to interpret that. I responded to what you said, I didn't put words in your mouth.

Console gamers hardly know what mods are. If you are unaware of something, then of course you're not going to care about it. You're just stating the obvious here.

My point is - If console gamers like DLC so much then why wouldn't they like mods? Mods accomplish the same thing...only for free. If console gaming every fully supported mods (not gonna happen with the current state of consoles), then it would be huge. People get excited over a map pack that gives them a few extra maps for $5 or $10. Imagine their reaction if they could have all the maps they could ever want and it was free. You can't downplay the importance of mods, just not possible.

simply. NO

/thread

I never said DLC is a type of mod. It's extra content added to a game, which is exactly what a mod does.

trix said mods are a big deal and you said 'no they aren't'. There's only one way to interpret that. I responded to what you said, I didn't put words in your mouth.

Console gamers hardly know what mods are. If you are unaware of something, then of course you're not going to care about it. You're just stating the obvious here.

My point is - If console gamers like DLC so much then why wouldn't they like mods? Mods accomplish the same thing...only for free. If console gaming every fully supported mods (not gonna happen with the current state of consoles), then it would be huge. People get excited over a map pack that gives them a few extra maps for $5 or $10. Imagine their reaction if they could have all the maps they could ever want and it was free. You can't downplay the importance of mods, just not possible.

mudman91878

you implied it that DLC is a type of mod. um...no, not remotely the same thing. mods are different in the sense they require a significant effort to happen. someone, at some point in time, has to make the mod. i don't think you understand that console gamers, from a purely gaming standpoint, are lazy. they don't want to put in the effort. PC gamers do. and again, you didn't listen. I NEVER DOWNPLAYED THE SIGNIFICANCE OF MODS, to some gamers. fundamentally, PC gamers like to tweak, console gamers don't.

[QUOTE="mudman91878"]

I never said DLC is a type of mod. It's extra content added to a game, which is exactly what a mod does.

trix said mods are a big deal and you said 'no they aren't'. There's only one way to interpret that. I responded to what you said, I didn't put words in your mouth.

Console gamers hardly know what mods are. If you are unaware of something, then of course you're not going to care about it. You're just stating the obvious here.

My point is - If console gamers like DLC so much then why wouldn't they like mods? Mods accomplish the same thing...only for free. If console gaming every fully supported mods (not gonna happen with the current state of consoles), then it would be huge. People get excited over a map pack that gives them a few extra maps for $5 or $10. Imagine their reaction if they could have all the maps they could ever want and it was free. You can't downplay the importance of mods, just not possible.

clone01

you implied it that DLC is a type of mod. um...no, not remotely the same thing. mods are different in the sense they require a significant effort to happen. someone, at some point in time, has to make the mod. i don't think you understand that console gamers, from a purely gaming standpoint, are lazy. they don't want to put in the effort. PC gamers do. and again, you didn't listen. I NEVER DOWNPLAYED THE SIGNIFICANCE OF MODS, to some gamers. fundamentally, PC gamers like to tweak, console gamers don't.

I didn't say it, nor did I imply it. I said they both add content to a game, that's all.

I understand that console gamers are lazy, but, most PC gamers don't mod, but they sure like using them. It only takes a few people to make a mod. So if a handful of console gamers decided they wanted to make a mod, the rest being lazy is irrelevant. Now, this will never happen on consoles so I guess you could say this is all irrelevant.

If you didn't downplay the significance of mods, sorry, but when one person says they are a big deal and you say they aren't...that's the way I took it. Either way modding on consoles is a long ways off, if at all.

Even last gen PC games owns the consoles right now.

[QUOTE="IgorVitaly"]

Stalker easily crushes Gears 2 to!

IgorVitaly

/THREAD

Consoles just are to weak, fact, simple as that! ;)

Even Crysis on medium crushes al lconsole games easily!

IgorVitaly

THREAD

[QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"][QUOTE="blackace"]

I will provide the links so I can just shut you up.

http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Video_game_industry

PC Gaming market was only worth $1 billion in the U.S. and 3.8 billion worldwide in 2007. The console gaming market made 17.9 billion in 2007 in the U.S. alone. Worldwide it was 41.9 billion.

So who's the idiot now? :lol:

blackace

PC Gaming market was only worth $1 billion in the U.S. and 3.8 billion worldwide in 2007.

blackace

Cheers.

[QUOTE="mudman91878"]

I never said DLC is a type of mod. It's extra content added to a game, which is exactly what a mod does.

trix said mods are a big deal and you said 'no they aren't'. There's only one way to interpret that. I responded to what you said, I didn't put words in your mouth.

Console gamers hardly know what mods are. If you are unaware of something, then of course you're not going to care about it. You're just stating the obvious here.

My point is - If console gamers like DLC so much then why wouldn't they like mods? Mods accomplish the same thing...only for free. If console gaming every fully supported mods (not gonna happen with the current state of consoles), then it would be huge. People get excited over a map pack that gives them a few extra maps for $5 or $10. Imagine their reaction if they could have all the maps they could ever want and it was free. You can't downplay the importance of mods, just not possible.

clone01

you implied it that DLC is a type of mod. um...no, not remotely the same thing. mods are different in the sense they require a significant effort to happen. someone, at some point in time, has to make the mod. i don't think you understand that console gamers, from a purely gaming standpoint, are lazy. they don't want to put in the effort. PC gamers do. and again, you didn't listen. I NEVER DOWNPLAYED THE SIGNIFICANCE OF MODS, to some gamers. fundamentally, PC gamers like to tweak, console gamers don't.

I've never made a mod in my life.

I looked at the post by IgorVitaly and it led my mind back to something I was thinking about a few days ago.

Is it just me or has the biggest visual improvement in shooters since 2005 been post processing? I loaded up Quake 4 and FEAR the other day and they didn't feel that old compared to what they are releasing today; oh sure there has been texture, normal map and animation improvements since then but not enough to justify the time gap.

With Crysis being the obvious exception post processing such as HDR and motion blur feel like the only major visual improvements in the last couple of years. In the day of practical 512mb mainstream cards, 2GB DDR800 standard ram and widespread multicore processors how can that be?

There would have to be something holding games back despite the progress of technology, some sort of lowest common denominator stopping modern shooters from reaching their full potential, I wonder what that could be?