Console > PC: Prove me wrong

[QUOTE="HistoricalSD"]

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]Where do these actual numbers come from, please? At least when I gave my counterargument, I cited GameSpot's own scores. Are you using Metacritic? Gamerankings?HuusAsking

Gamerankings. metacritic certainly isn't as good or standard as gamerankings.

2006 PC:

3 > 90%
40 > 80%

2006 360:

3 > 90%
27 > 80%

Based on these findings alone, it seems we're running into conflicting results. Why would that be the case?

PS. Also read my findings on GameSpot scores above.

i think it's because you INCLUDE **** games with FIVE freaking reviews. thats not fair. we're talking about real games here, not some **** games that only 5 - 10 reviewers review. it's not enough to determine whether thats A, AA or AAA at all.

im sorry, it's not enough for me to take a game seriosuly that has 5 - 10 reviews. at least 20 reviews.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="HistoricalSD"]

PC

2006 - 2 AAA, 26 AA

2007 - 7 AAA, 28 AA

2008 - 2 AAA, 21 AA

2009 - 0 AAA, 3 AA

Xbox 360

2006 - 3 AAA, 27 AA

2007 - 7 AAA, 33 AA

2008 - 6 AAA, 38 AA

2009 - 1 AAA, 8 AA

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those are overall general scores from the critics, not just gamespot.

and I am not counting 2005 BECAUSE 360 was released late that year, it would have been unfair!

360 curb stomps PC.

AND what IS substanceless BS is you with your "this is gamespot, so gamespot only counts". thats the most ridiculopus argument i have read thus far, and i guess u merely say that becauser you can't accept the fact that when all the other combined give the superior critically acclaimed games to 360.

HistoricalSD

Gamerankings. metacritic certainly isn't as good or standard as gamerankings.

2006-3AAA you said 2

2007-8AAA you said 7

2008-4AAA you said 2

2009-1AAA you said 0

let alone the AA's(i'm not gonna count them since obviously you are removing games from pc) also since you are using other sides why not use metacritic and only gamerankings is that because the diffrence between pc and 360 in gamerankings is smaller than in metacritics ( in favor of pc that is)

[QUOTE="HistoricalSD"]

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]Where do these actual numbers come from, please? At least when I gave my counterargument, I cited GameSpot's own scores. Are you using Metacritic? Gamerankings?adamosmaki

Gamerankings. metacritic certainly isn't as good or standard as gamerankings.

i want reliability so I take games with minimum 20 reviews from critics. thats why.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]

[QUOTE="HistoricalSD"]

Gamerankings. metacritic certainly isn't as good or standard as gamerankings.

HistoricalSD

2006 PC:

3 > 90%
40 > 80%

2006 360:

3 > 90%
27 > 80%

Based on these findings alone, it seems we're running into conflicting results. Why would that be the case?

PS. Also read my findings on GameSpot scores above.

i think it's because you INCLUDE **** games with FIVE freaking reviews. thats not fair. we're talking about real games here, not some **** games that only 5 - 10 reviewers review. it's not enough to determine whether thats A, AA or AAA at all.

im sorry, it's not enough for me to take a game seriosuly that has 5 - 10 reviews. at least 20 reviews.

Plus there's GameSpot's own metric: 278 games for the PC scored at least a seven since the 360 game out vs. 219 for the 360 itself.

[QUOTE="HistoricalSD"]

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]I accept your challenge. These are my findings, drawing from GR itself:

2006 PC:

3 > 90%
40 > 80%

2006 360:

3 > 90%
27 > 80%

Based on these findings alone, it seems we're running into conflicting results. Why would that be the case?

PS. Also read my findings on GameSpot scores above.

HuusAsking

i think it's because you INCLUDE **** games with FIVE freaking reviews. thats not fair. we're talking about real games here, not some **** games that only 5 - 10 reviewers review. it's not enough to determine whether thats A, AA or AAA at all.

im sorry, it's not enough for me to take a game seriosuly that has 5 - 10 reviews. at least 20 reviews.

Plus there's GameSpot's own metric: 278 games for the PC scored at least a seven since the 360 game out vs. 219 for the 360 itself.

Sorry, but a game that has A or AA and reviewd by 10 can EASILY have been a 5/10 or less if reviewd by 50+, thats a fact.

OH, and by your logic, PC games don't have most games, as we haven't counted all games thta have been reveiwd LESS than 5 times. i presume u lose either way, but I win if we go by reliability's way, sorry, pal. better luck next time, or?

Sorry, but a game that has A or AA and reviewd by 10 can EASILY have been a 5/10 or less if reviewd by 50+, thats a fact.HistoricalSD

[QUOTE="HistoricalSD"]Sorry, but a game that has A or AA and reviewd by 10 can EASILY have been a 5/10 or less if reviewd by 50+, thats a fact.Vandalvideo

No, that is actually true, you can believe me

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="HistoricalSD"]Sorry, but a game that has A or AA and reviewd by 10 can EASILY have been a 5/10 or less if reviewd by 50+, thats a fact.HistoricalSD

No, that is actually true, you can believe me

I like being able to tweak my games. Id rather run games at lower settings then run the game at 20fps. *Cough* MGS4 *cough*

I'm a PC gamer, and the only console I own is a PS2. But I've grown bored of arguing for the PC, so now I'm going to switch teams for a bit. Anyway, the console is better for these reasons:

A console is convenient
You don't have to worry about tweaking anything
You don't have to update drivers
You don't have to worry about conflicting processes such as AVG and Steam
The games are better
The graphics look good and the system only costs $400 bucks
It's cheaper to game on
You can lay on your couch while playing

VoodooGamer

Convenient? too vague. specifics for me to address please.

Tweaking. some ppl like tweaking to get better performance.

Updates. don't consoles have them now too? conflicts. I've not had an issue with my antivirus. firewall sometimes but i can just click allow. not much hassle to me.

games. opinion

PC graphics look better and you can build one that plays crysis on high for $500. not bad considering it's what you'll use for other stuff too.

PC games are usually cheaper and drop in price VERY fast. also extra content (mods) are free.

with PC you can get wireless input devices as well.

[QUOTE="HistoricalSD"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] You're going to have a hard time proving that. If anything, you have statistics working against you. Bernoulli's law of large numbers states that, no matter how large the sample size gets, the medium always trends towards the same.HuusAsking

No, that is actually true, you can believe me

GTA IV is just 1 example. it had 100 % in maybe 10 - 20 reviews or more now it really changed back.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="HistoricalSD"]

No, that is actually true, you can believe me

HistoricalSD

GTA IV is just 1 example. it had 100 % in maybe 10 - 20 reviews or more now it really changed back.

I thought this was supposed to be about small games that get only a few reviews, all of them excellent?

[QUOTE="HistoricalSD"]

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]PROVE IT. Show us one concrete case where five reviews scored high and, all of a sudden, a whole bunch of bad reviews (all reliable, mind you) ruined its average.789shadow

GTA IV is just 1 example. it had 100 % in maybe 10 - 20 reviews or more now it really changed back.

I thought this was supposed to be about small games that get only a few reviews, all of them excellent?

the "small" game part is an important factor, but i think the most significnant in it is tyhat it's not fair to call it an AA game because it hasnt been rated fairly if it only got like 5 reviews. come on

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="HistoricalSD"]

GTA IV is just 1 example. it had 100 % in maybe 10 - 20 reviews or more now it really changed back.

HistoricalSD

I thought this was supposed to be about small games that get only a few reviews, all of them excellent?

the "small" game part is an important factor, but i think the most significnant in it is tyhat it's not fair to call it an AA game because it hasnt been rated fairly if it only got like 5 reviews. come on

So you're basically condemning obscure, quirky titles that only get a few reviews because only a few publications or websites have time?

[QUOTE="HistoricalSD"]

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

I thought this was supposed to be about small games that get only a few reviews, all of them excellent?

789shadow

the "small" game part is an important factor, but i think the most significnant in it is tyhat it's not fair to call it an AA game because it hasnt been rated fairly if it only got like 5 reviews. come on

So you're basically condemning obscure, quirky titles that only get a few reviews because only a few publications or websites have time?

yes, basically. it is not fair to call a game AAA if it only got like 5 reviews.

take a look at this game:

http://www.gamerankings.com/pc/942952-galactic-civilizations-ii-twilight-of-the-arnor/articles.html

are you actually trying to say thats not an AAA game despite getting AAA reviews from every major site? (including gamespot and IGN)

cobrax75 i see your point, but still, a game needs many reviews so that we really can see the rating picture of the general critics. too few only shows us a limited score.

cobrax75 i see your point, but still, a game needs many reviews so that we really can see the rating picture of the general critics. too few only shows us a limited score.

HistoricalSD

uh...all but 2 of the scores for the game are AAA reviews (one of the others being a 91)...thats not a limited view.....thats a fantastic game being to niche to be reviewed by many sites.

besides...have you seen the stuff that gamerankings takes as reviews? Blogs and sites you have never even heard of.

[QUOTE="HistoricalSD"]

cobrax75 i see your point, but still, a game needs many reviews so that we really can see the rating picture of the general critics. too few only shows us a limited score.

cobrax75

uh...all but 2 of the scores for the game are AAA reviews (one of the others being a 91)...thats not a limited view.....thats a fantastic game being to niche to be reviewed by many sites.

besides...have you seen the stuff that gamerankings takes as reviews? Blogs and sites you have never even heard of.

no it is metacritic that is awful.. and i dont think you know what i meant

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="HistoricalSD"]

No, that is actually true, you can believe me

HistoricalSD

GTA IV is just 1 example. it had 100 % in maybe 10 - 20 reviews or more now it really changed back.

[QUOTE="HistoricalSD"]

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]PROVE IT. Show us one concrete case where five reviews scored high and, all of a sudden, a whole bunch of bad reviews (all reliable, mind you) ruined its average.HuusAsking

GTA IV is just 1 example. it had 100 % in maybe 10 - 20 reviews or more now it really changed back.

thats cuz all the others also thought gta iv was good game. and after more reviews" is actually many reviews.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="HistoricalSD"]

GTA IV is just 1 example. it had 100 % in maybe 10 - 20 reviews or more now it really changed back.

HistoricalSD

thats cuz all the others also thought gta iv was good game. and after more reviews" is actually many reviews.

[QUOTE="HistoricalSD"]

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]It still ranks a high 90. This is nothing more than the law of averages sliding the score a few points into place. That's nothing like how you put it: an A or even AA game suddenly going to B or even C after more reviews.HuusAsking

thats cuz all the others also thought gta iv was good game. and after more reviews" is actually many reviews.

nope. you're just mad because 360 >>>>>>>> PC in AA and AAA games this gen. by your logic, we're counting all games with 1 review, too. so come back when you have showed me ALL the games, regardless of reviews.

anyway, we both know my way is much more fair and reliable, and Xbox 360 >>>>>>>> PC, 360, Wii and PS3 in AA, AAA this generation. sorry.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="HistoricalSD"]

thats cuz all the others also thought gta iv was good game. and after more reviews" is actually many reviews.

HistoricalSD

nope. you're just mad because 360 >>>>>>>> PC in AA and AAA games this gen. by your logic, we're counting all games with 1 review, too. so come back when you have showed me ALL the games, regardless of reviews.

anyway, we both know my way is much more fair and reliable, and Xbox 360 >>>>>>>> PC, 360, Wii and PS3 in AA, AAA this generation. sorry.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="HistoricalSD"]

thats cuz all the others also thought gta iv was good game. and after more reviews" is actually many reviews.

HistoricalSD

nope. you're just mad because 360 >>>>>>>> PC in AA and AAA games this gen. by your logic, we're counting all games with 1 review, too. so come back when you have showed me ALL the games, regardless of reviews.

anyway, we both know my way is much more fair and reliable, and Xbox 360 >>>>>>>> PC, 360, Wii and PS3 in AA, AAA this generation. sorry.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="HistoricalSD"]

No, that is actually true, you can believe me

HistoricalSD

GTA IV is just 1 example. it had 100 % in maybe 10 - 20 reviews or more now it really changed back.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="HistoricalSD"]

thats cuz all the others also thought gta iv was good game. and after more reviews" is actually many reviews.

HistoricalSD

nope. you're just mad because 360 >>>>>>>> PC in AA and AAA games this gen. by your logic, we're counting all games with 1 review, too. so come back when you have showed me ALL the games, regardless of reviews.

anyway, we both know my way is much more fair and reliable, and Xbox 360 >>>>>>>> PC, 360, Wii and PS3 in AA, AAA this generation. sorry.

Joke much... really... only a hardcore fanboy would say that.

i think it's because you INCLUDE **** games with FIVE freaking reviews. thats not fair. we're talking about real games here, not some **** games that only 5 - 10 reviewers review. it's not enough to determine whether thats A, AA or AAA at all.

im sorry, it's not enough for me to take a game seriosuly that has 5 - 10 reviews. at least 20 reviews.

HistoricalSD

It doesn't matter how many reviews it has. The 360 is under the same condition, so it's 100% FAIR.

It would only be unfair if the 360 was set with a different condition, like requiring 20 reviews minimum, while the PC only had 5. But this is not the case. Since they both only have a set minimum requirement of 5, the only reason you have for bit*ching is because lowering the minimum to 5 (which is GR's standard, therefore it overrides YOUR PERSONAL STANDARD) shows the truth: the PC has more exclusive games AA and above than the 360 over the past 4 years.

I'm a PC gamer, and the only console I own is a PS2. But I've grown bored of arguing for the PC, so now I'm going to switch teams for a bit. Anyway, the console is better for these reasons:

A console is convenient

I'll give you that.

You don't have to worry about tweaking anything

I guess this is a matter of preference, but I like be able to fix my pc when it malfunctions. Not to mention modding and tweaking games...

You don't have to update drivers

Not too much of a hassle, but I guess it is an extra download once in while.

You don't have to worry about conflicting processes such as AVG and Steam

That's because all you have is one single service that half of you needlessly pay for, and you can't use the internet. The bad comes with the good.

The games are better

You can't be serious.

The graphics look good and the system only costs $400 bucks

Yes, that's true, but the PC can look better with the right setup.

It's cheaper to game on

Not in the long term. Paying $60 for every game adds up, and there are much better deals for PC games online.

You can lay on your couch while playing

You can do that with the PC.

VoodooGamer

[QUOTE="HistoricalSD"]

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]So my point still stands. Whether five reviews or 20, they generally agree with each other and tend to nullify the one or two that go outside the lines. Since you've yet to show a game where the first five reviews were one tier and the next 15 or so were so different that the whole average got kicked into a whole other tier (to use your example, an initial A or AA bumped all the way down to B or C), then GR's choice to use the 5-review criteria by default is a statistically solid one and no less reliable than your insistence on 20 reviews and up. Which means that on not just GS but also GR the PC has generally had more better games than the 360 in the time the two have coexisted. I've given concrete evidence that has been agreed upon by at least one other forumite here, so as it stands, you're outvoted.HuusAsking

nope. you're just mad because 360 >>>>>>>> PC in AA and AAA games this gen. by your logic, we're counting all games with 1 review, too. so come back when you have showed me ALL the games, regardless of reviews.

anyway, we both know my way is much more fair and reliable, and Xbox 360 >>>>>>>> PC, 360, Wii and PS3 in AA, AAA this generation. sorry.

i have a gaming PC, but that doesn't really change the hard fact that 360 >>>>> PC in AA/AAA games this generation, i showed proof.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="-snorlax-"]

One word JRPGs

-snorlax-

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="HistoricalSD"]

nope. you're just mad because 360 >>>>>>>> PC in AA and AAA games this gen. by your logic, we're counting all games with 1 review, too. so come back when you have showed me ALL the games, regardless of reviews.

anyway, we both know my way is much more fair and reliable, and Xbox 360 >>>>>>>> PC, 360, Wii and PS3 in AA, AAA this generation. sorry.

HistoricalSD

i have a gaming PC, but that doesn't really change the hard fact that 360 >>>>> PC in AA/AAA games this generation, i showed proof.

Where's that proof again?

[QUOTE="HistoricalSD"]

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]And what if I said I know that my way is better because it includes more obscure titles that are nonetheless noteworthy? It becomes "I said, you said," and I've already had one concurrent vote. I discard 1 review because it can be a statistical outlier but accept 5 since such outliers can now be averaged out. Your lack of counterpoint shows that five reviews is necessary and sufficient to provide a statistically reliable score, which is the reason why GameRanking searches use 5 reviews by default (If it weren't, wouldn't you think they'd raise the default to 20 instead? GR is a c|net site and now owned by CBS; they're not stupid, and I value the opinions and standards of a business that has to answer to higher authorities over a single forumite any day of the week). I've already given my support and, if you haven't noticed, am not mad and in fact have been incredibly patient with you, not even resorting to sophistries and immature epithets. So the next time you wish to put me down as angry the 360 is winning (BTW, I own both), may I recommend seeing if you can do the same thing in front of a mirror and still say it with absolute confidence?Bebi_vegeta

i have a gaming PC, but that doesn't really change the hard fact that 360 >>>>> PC in AA/AAA games this generation, i showed proof.

Where's that proof again?

go back some pages.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="HistoricalSD"]

i have a gaming PC, but that doesn't really change the hard fact that 360 >>>>> PC in AA/AAA games this generation, i showed proof.

HistoricalSD

Where's that proof again?

go back some pages.

Ah yes, using gamerankings... I taught it was official that we used GS scores only... but anyway you've also been proven wrong when counting numbers using gamerankings.

[QUOTE="HistoricalSD"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Where's that proof again?

Bebi_vegeta

go back some pages.

Ah yes, using gamerankings... I taught it was official that we used GS scores only... but anyway you've also been proven wrong when counting numbers using gamerankings.

no, not really.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="HistoricalSD"]

go back some pages.

HistoricalSD

Ah yes, using gamerankings... I taught it was official that we used GS scores only... but anyway you've also been proven wrong when counting numbers using gamerankings.

no, not really.

Yes, really...

HuusAsking

I accept your challenge. These are my findings, drawing from GR itself:

2006 PC:

3 > 90%
40 > 80%

2006 360:

3 > 90%
27 > 80%

Based on these findings alone, it seems we're running into conflicting results. Why would that be the case?

Continuing onward

2007:
PC- 7 > 90%, 39 > 80%
360- 7 > 90%, 34 > 80%

2008:
PC- 4 > 90%, 40 > 80%
360- 6 > 90%, 40 > 80%

Okay, I'll grant you the 360 came out on top in 2008, but as we see here, this appears to be an isolated occurrence.

2009 so far:
PC- 1 > 90%, 12 > 80%
360- 1 > 90%, 9 > 80%

PS. Also read my findings on GameSpot scores above.

[QUOTE="HistoricalSD"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Ah yes, using gamerankings... I taught it was official that we used GS scores only... but anyway you've also been proven wrong when counting numbers using gamerankings.

Bebi_vegeta

no, not really.

Yes, really...

HuusAsking

I accept your challenge. These are my findings, drawing from GR itself:

2006 PC:

3 > 90%
40 > 80%

2006 360:

3 > 90%
27 > 80%

Based on these findings alone, it seems we're running into conflicting results. Why would that be the case?

Continuing onward

2007:
PC- 7 > 90%, 39 > 80%
360- 7 > 90%, 34 > 80%

2008:
PC- 4 > 90%, 40 > 80%
360- 6 > 90%, 40 > 80%

Okay, I'll grant you the 360 came out on top in 2008, but as we see here, this appears to be an isolated occurrence.

2009 so far:
PC- 1 > 90%, 12 > 80%
360- 1 > 90%, 9 > 80%

PS. Also read my findings on GameSpot scores above.

i already read your gamespot-only scores. i think i've seen them before. mine are better. more widely.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="HistoricalSD"]

no, not really.

HistoricalSD

Yes, really...

HuusAsking

I accept your challenge. These are my findings, drawing from GR itself:

2006 PC:

3 > 90%
40 > 80%

2006 360:

3 > 90%
27 > 80%

Based on these findings alone, it seems we're running into conflicting results. Why would that be the case?

Continuing onward

2007:
PC- 7 > 90%, 39 > 80%
360- 7 > 90%, 34 > 80%

2008:
PC- 4 > 90%, 40 > 80%
360- 6 > 90%, 40 > 80%

Okay, I'll grant you the 360 came out on top in 2008, but as we see here, this appears to be an isolated occurrence.

2009 so far:
PC- 1 > 90%, 12 > 80%
360- 1 > 90%, 9 > 80%

PS. Also read my findings on GameSpot scores above.

i already read your gamespot-only scores. i think i've seen them before. mine are better. more widely.

Yours are better? I'd like to know how you judge that. System wars run by gamespot, therefor, scores also.

BTW, thoses weree GR scores.