Console RTS=Instant Phail

Play BFMEII on X360 and play BFMEII on PC, see the massive difference.

They might score high but... playing compared to the PC version..?

thrones

I've played both versions and I do notice the massive difference such as the graphics, the controls, the options, the layout. But you gotta understand how great the game was on the 360 but if you keep comparing it to the superior version, you'll fail to see the achievement done for the consoles.

well shifting from C&C to console rts is not really shockinganshul89

I understand your point, but it perception changes a lot when you have both options. I have a 360 and a good gaming rig, I chose the PC version of C&C 3 because I knew it was going to be better than the 360 version. I played the demo of the 360 version and rented it, but it was really underwhelming compared to its PC counterpart. It is a good game on the 360 and I know there will be more good RTS games on the 360, but when compared to the PC versions or PC exclusive RTS games they don't really stand much of a chance. The point is console RTS games are good, they just suck when compared to PC RTS games.smokeydabear076

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]I understand your point, but it perception changes a lot when you have both options. I have a 360 and a good gaming rig, I chose the PC version of C&C 3 because I knew it was going to be better than the 360 version. I played the demo of the 360 version and rented it, but it was really underwhelming compared to its PC counterpart. It is a good game on the 360 and I know there will be more good RTS games on the 360, but when compared to the PC versions or PC exclusive RTS games they don't really stand much of a chance. The point is console RTS games are good, they just suck when compared to PC RTS games.PBSnipes

My fear is that if RTS developers start to think that console RTSes are viable, they will hold back on their ambition for the sake of profit in order to make multiplat RTSes. If that happens, then I'm afraid that what happened to tactical shooters like Rainbow Six will happen to RTSes.

I REALLY don't want all future RTSes to be built on the World in Conflict model.

[QUOTE="anshul89"]
well shifting from C&C to console rts is not really shockingPBSnipes

Right sure you played more than I did :roll:

A_zombie

which console RTS have you played?

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]I understand your point, but it perception changes a lot when you have both options. I have a 360 and a good gaming rig, I chose the PC version of C&C 3 because I knew it was going to be better than the 360 version. I played the demo of the 360 version and rented it, but it was really underwhelming compared to its PC counterpart. It is a good game on the 360 and I know there will be more good RTS games on the 360, but when compared to the PC versions or PC exclusive RTS games they don't really stand much of a chance. The point is console RTS games are good, they just suck when compared to PC RTS games.mjarantilla

My fear is that if RTS developers start to think that console RTSes are viable, they will hold back on their ambition for the sake of profit in order to make multiplat RTSes. If that happens, then I'm afraid that what happened to tactical shooters like Rainbow Six will happen to RTSes.

I REALLY don't want all future RTSes to be built on the World in Conflict model.

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]I understand your point, but it perception changes a lot when you have both options. I have a 360 and a good gaming rig, I chose the PC version of C&C 3 because I knew it was going to be better than the 360 version. I played the demo of the 360 version and rented it, but it was really underwhelming compared to its PC counterpart. It is a good game on the 360 and I know there will be more good RTS games on the 360, but when compared to the PC versions or PC exclusive RTS games they don't really stand much of a chance. The point is console RTS games are good, they just suck when compared to PC RTS games.mjarantilla

My fear is that if RTS developers start to think that console RTSes are viable, they will hold back on their ambition for the sake of profit in order to make multiplat RTSes. If that happens, then I'm afraid that what happened to tactical shooters like Rainbow Six will happen to RTSes.

I REALLY don't want all future RTSes to be built on the World in Conflict model.

My fear is that if RTS developers start to think that console RTSes are viable, they will hold back on their ambition for the sake of profit in order to make multiplat RTSes. If that happens, then I'm afraid that what happened to tactical shooters like Rainbow Six will happen to RTSes.

I REALLY don't want all future RTSes to be built on the World in Conflict model.

mjarantilla

I mean look at what SOASE is doing, it's one of the most popular PC games of 08 and it was made on a budget of (compared to most games) spare change. Now consider that if the upcoming expansion pack includes a campaign mode (something SOASE lacks) they'll essentially double their sales. Or you can look at Dawn of War and it's 3 expansion packs. RTS's are too profitable to suffer the same fate as Rainbow Six.

blasphemy ! now you're shifting from coh to halo wars :?

Im 100% sure you got owned online. Im challenging you to a match of coh as soon as you're ready.anshul89

[QUOTE="anshul89"]blasphemy ! now you're shifting from coh to halo wars :?

Im 100% sure you got owned online. Im challenging you to a match of coh as soon as you're ready.PBSnipes

what i mean to say is that unless you got owned horribly online, nobody who has played coh will belive that an rts will work as well with a controller.anshul89

[QUOTE="anshul89"]what i mean to say is that unless you got owned horribly online, nobody who has played coh will belive that an rts will work as well with a controller.PBSnipes

I dont see why, C&C3 on the 360 was ok. And much more fun on a 42" HD screen. I would rather play the game on a couch with a big tv than a monitor.

Plus C& red aleart 3 should be good on consoles, so should halo wars.

The BIG rts game for cosnoles will be Tom Clancys EndWar. Build from the ground up on consoles, it can be used with a controller OR voice comand.

I am sure you now are thinking that voice command will be bad. But watch this, and read the GS preview:

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/32022.html

that it awsome. voice command does work. it does not look amazig yet but its a work in progress. I have faith in ubisoft.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

My fear is that if RTS developers start to think that console RTSes are viable, they will hold back on their ambition for the sake of profit in order to make multiplat RTSes. If that happens, then I'm afraid that what happened to tactical shooters like Rainbow Six will happen to RTSes.

I REALLY don't want all future RTSes to be built on the World in Conflict model.

PBSnipes

I mean look at what SOASE is doing, it's one of the most popular PC games of 08 and it was made on a budget of (compared to most games) spare change. Now consider that if the upcoming expansion pack includes a campaign mode (something SOASE lacks) they'll essentially double their sales. Or you can look at Dawn of War and it's 3 expansion packs. RTS's are too profitable to suffer the same fate as Rainbow Six.

Depends on how you see publishers reacting to that kind of information. IMO, I think there's a dangerous trend now of publishers getting the false impression that if they want to make "real money," then they have to publish on a console, as well (e.g. World in Conflict, Supreme Commander). That kind of mentality doesn't take into account the relative popularity of a genre on a specific platform. It just compels the decision-makers to think, "It sells well on the PC, so it'll sell even better on consoles," which gets them started on the porting. And when it fails to sell as well as they thought, they will think, "Well, everyone knows that console games always sell better, so there must be something wrong with the game. We must change the game design to suit consoles."

If those big publishers like EA and Ubisoft smell the potential money in casualizing the RTS genre (especially in the wake of EndWar and Halo Wars, if those two break out into the millions), I don't think they'll care how popular it is on the PC now, only how popular they can make it on consoles, regardless of what happens to the gameplay.

"Command and Conquer" sounds like a really bad porno, thats why they give it such a bad score. :D

Depends on how you see publishers reacting to that kind of information. IMO, I think there's a dangerous trend now of publishers getting the false impression that if they want to make "real money," then they have to publish on a console, as well (e.g. World in Conflict, Supreme Commander). That kind of mentality doesn't take into account the relative popularity of a genre on a specific platform. It just compels the decision-makers to think, "It sells well on the PC, so it'll sell even better on consoles," which gets them started on the porting. And when it fails to sell as well as they thought, they will think, "Well, everyone knows that console games always sell better, so there must be something wrong with the game. We must change the game design to suit consoles."

If those big publishers like EA and Ubisoft smell the potential money in casualizing the RTS genre (especially in the wake of EndWar and Halo Wars, if those two break out into the millions), I don't think they'll care how popular it is on the PC now, only how popular they can make it on consoles, regardless of what happens to the gameplay.

mjarantilla

Oh absolutely. It's not just dying, it's already dead. Totally. In fact...all game developers that feel that way should quickly flee to the, um ... console market, right now. Don't worry about us, we'll guard you're back while you retreat. Nothing to see here. We'll shut the lights off when you're all gone. No, no, no need to thank us at all. We just want to make sure the developers who think PC gaming is dying are safe to flee to greener pastures. We're just that selfless.

go play a pc rts online, win some matches and your opinion will change. Console RTS = Instant Phail.anshul89

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

Depends on how you see publishers reacting to that kind of information. IMO, I think there's a dangerous trend now of publishers getting the false impression that if they want to make "real money," then they have to publish on a console, as well (e.g. World in Conflict, Supreme Commander). That kind of mentality doesn't take into account the relative popularity of a genre on a specific platform. It just compels the decision-makers to think, "It sells well on the PC, so it'll sell even better on consoles," which gets them started on the porting. And when it fails to sell as well as they thought, they will think, "Well, everyone knows that console games always sell better, so there must be something wrong with the game. We must change the game design to suit consoles."

If those big publishers like EA and Ubisoft smell the potential money in casualizing the RTS genre (especially in the wake of EndWar and Halo Wars, if those two break out into the millions), I don't think they'll care how popular it is on the PC now, only how popular they can make it on consoles, regardless of what happens to the gameplay.

PBSnipes

Oh absolutely. It's not just dying, it's already dead. Totally. In fact...all game developers that feel that way should quickly flee to the, um ... console market, right now. Don't worry about us, we'll guard you're back while you retreat. Nothing to see here. We'll shut the lights off when you're all gone. No, no, no need to thank us at all. We just want to make sure the developers who think PC gaming is dying are safe to flee to greener pastures. We're just that selfless.

No, I agree with that. In fact, whenever someone makes an argument about PC gaming dying, I bring up that exact point: that PC gaming survives and even thrives on the continual innovation of new developers. Once upon a time, developers like Epic, id, BioWare, etc. were those "new developers." But they stopped being "new developers," and, as Brad Wardell said, went off in search of greener pastures. Now there are new (or at least, relatively unknown) developers taking their place, like Stardock and CD Projekt.

However, that doesn't mean that this transition doesn't occur in cycles, and it's the low ebb of this cycle that I'm most concerned about at the moment, because from what I can see, it's going to ebb pretty low. (Well, assuming I'm right and RTSes are dumbed down for consoles in larger quantities.)

its not like they got a 5.0 or anything.. PC RTS get lower scores then Console RTS sometimes. but anyway, ANY RTS = phailGUNpoint_

Consoles have lower standards than PC.Fact.

You thinking RTSes fail. Opinion.

Some people actually enjoy commanding an army and it's definetly more strategic and tactical than FPSes or RPGSes.

Apparently World in Conflict is making a nice transition to consoles (via WiC: Soviet Assault)ragek1ll589

[QUOTE="ragek1ll589"]Apparently World in Conflict is making a nice transition to consoles (via WiC: Soviet Assault)Saturos3091

Don't forget a simple control model. Move, attack, offensive special, defensive special, and only two formations. Perfect for face buttons.

[QUOTE="Saturos3091"][QUOTE="ragek1ll589"]Apparently World in Conflict is making a nice transition to consoles (via WiC: Soviet Assault)mjarantilla

Don't forget a simple control model. Move, attack, offensive special, defensive special, and only two formations. Perfect for face buttons.

EndWar is copying that model, but with voice instead. Traditional controls are also possible.

I don't understand why they want to make a cl@assic Age of Empires stile game....

:| Command and conquer 3 tw and bfme were actually fun and they worked. I honestly dont see why pc gamers despise them so much. Ive played rts games on pc and Ive played them on consoles.

It--Works--fine....so lay off of the elitist attitude, k?

[QUOTE="Saturos3091"][QUOTE="ragek1ll589"]Apparently World in Conflict is making a nice transition to consoles (via WiC: Soviet Assault)mjarantilla

Don't forget a simple control model. Move, attack, offensive special, defensive special, and only two formations. Perfect for face buttons.

:| Command and conquer 3 tw and bfme were actually fun and they worked. I honestly dont see why pc gamers despise them so much. Ive played rts games on pc and Ive played them on consoles.

It--Works--fine....so lay off of the elitist attitude, k?

mccoyca112

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="Saturos3091"][QUOTE="ragek1ll589"]Apparently World in Conflict is making a nice transition to consoles (via WiC: Soviet Assault)thrones

Don't forget a simple control model. Move, attack, offensive special, defensive special, and only two formations. Perfect for face buttons.

EndWar is copying that model, but with voice instead. Traditional controls are also possible.

I don't understand why they want to make a cl@assic Age of Empires stile game....

WiC: SA is also said to utilizing voice commands, but its not going to be a centerpiece for the game. It'll just be an option for users.

Its great to know an 83% avg can be considered 'Phail'Haziqonfire

[QUOTE="whocares4peace"][QUOTE="Dante2710"]kingdom underfire is one of those RTS that really works well on consoles......Dante2710

Look up Anno 1701 DS.

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Yeah, because playing an RTS game on analog sticks is identical to playing it with a mouse. Oh, and keyboard hotkeys are absolutely useless.

I have played Warcraft 2: Tides of Darkness on my PS1. After playing the same game on my PC afterwards, I NEVER wanted to touch the PS1 version again.

Hermits tell themselfs it can't work because they're afraid that they might lose another genre to consoles.xsubtownerx

It can work, but it has to be dumbed down to be able to work on gamepads. I don't see a COMPLEX RTS game working on consoles.

Lack of keys, I think. A lot of good RTS'ers are used to micromanagement. That calls for fast, accurate pointing, clicking, and hotkeying. As any FPS and MMO will tell you, that's only possible with KB/M.

Now, if an RTS were to be designed with a different control scheme, such as by limiting the scope of your control (so as to make it a more command structure closer to real-life--you give the orders and then there is a lag before the soldiers follow them), then gamepads may have hope...although I don't know if such a scheme would be accepted by the gaming public.

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]Hermits tell themselfs it can't work because they're afraid that they might lose another genre to consoles.PandaBear86

It can work, but it has to be dumbed down to be able to work on gamepads. I don't see a COMPLEX RTS game working on consoles.

We've seen nothing yet. Let me tell you that Halo Wars will be something special and it will set a new standard.

i definitely agree that RTSs on consoles are inferior espexially with the limited controls of the traditional controller. However, the ds and the wii wii has big potentials for RTS because of the wii mote and its pointer functionality and the touch screen. Still, the wii lacks power and memory for this though.lordlors

lacks power for what ?? 360,ps3,pc graphics's ?? maybe it dont need those graphics ?

if its a good game it dont need outstanding graphics

Hermits tell themselfs it can't work because they're afraid that they might lose another genre to consoles.xsubtownerx

"Lose" a genre?

[QUOTE="PandaBear86"]

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]Hermits tell themselfs it can't work because they're afraid that they might lose another genre to consoles.xsubtownerx

It can work, but it has to be dumbed down to be able to work on gamepads. I don't see a COMPLEX RTS game working on consoles.

We've seen nothing yet. Let me tell you that Halo Wars will be something special and it will set a new standard.

New standard = dumbed down controls, simplistic gameplay. Apart from that, the only other good thing about the game is the word "Halo" on the box cover, which will guarantee high sales.

[QUOTE="PandaBear86"]

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]Hermits tell themselfs it can't work because they're afraid that they might lose another genre to consoles.xsubtownerx

It can work, but it has to be dumbed down to be able to work on gamepads. I don't see a COMPLEX RTS game working on consoles.

We've seen nothing yet. Let me tell you that Halo Wars will be something special and it will set a new standard.

Its jsut another command and conquer type game, how is that setting any standard?

i will LMAO when halo wars scores great scores all around.shoeman12

Halo Wars will be much simpler than PC RTS games. It will be a great game for people who like simplistic RTS controls, but not for those who want some complexity.

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]Hermits tell themselfs it can't work because they're afraid that they might lose another genre to consoles.PandaBear86

It can work, but it has to be dumbed down to be able to work on gamepads. I don't see a COMPLEX RTS game working on consoles.

Would you please listen? Go. Look up "Anno 1701 DS".

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"][QUOTE="PandaBear86"]

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]Hermits tell themselfs it can't work because they're afraid that they might lose another genre to consoles.Meu2k7

It can work, but it has to be dumbed down to be able to work on gamepads. I don't see a COMPLEX RTS game working on consoles.

We've seen nothing yet. Let me tell you that Halo Wars will be something special and it will set a new standard.

Its jsut another command and conquer type game, how is that setting any standard?

have you played it? How can you compare it to something already? :?