Console RTS=Instant Phail

The RTS formula set out in the early 90s has been so stringently adhered to for so long that it's barely even occurred to anyone to try and change it. The entire game structure can be reworked in such a manner that it does work with a pad. I don't know how exactly, but everything can be made to work if the game is built specifically for the controller in question.

fatshodan

I mean seriously we all know RTS's on consoles are instant fail mix:

Command & Conquer (N64)- 7.6
Command & Conquer (PS1)- 8.2
Command & Conquer (SATURN!!)- 9.2
Command & Conquer: Red Alert (PS1)- 7.6
Command & Conquer 3 Tiberium Wars (360)- 8.7
Starcraft 64 (N64)- 8.4
Kingdom Under Fire: The Crusaders- 8.5
Kingdom Under Fire: Heroes- 8.2
The Lord of the Rings, The Battle for Middle-earth II (360)- 8.3

Average Score: 8.3

And note that with the exception of the two KuF titles, these are all more-or-less quick-and-dirty PC-to-console overly-hyphenated ports. So why exactly can't a game like Halo Wars, an RTS built exclusively with consoles in mind by a quality developer, work out again?

PBSnipes

Those are some pretty good scores.

[QUOTE="osan0"]

the creative assembly (developers of the total war series and, as far as the whole strategy genre goes...god) did some incredible stuff with spartan total warrior on the GC. i think they got a few hundred 3d models on the screen with basic bloom also. spartan total warrior was an action game though but theres clear potential for some pretty big battles. not rome total war big mind...but failry hefty. the biggest issue is ram....strategy games love ram and lots of it.

but yeah...with a good dev backing it, i think the wii could be a great platform for RTS games on consoles. pikmin total war :D.

lordlors

Me too. I already have an idea. A on the wii mote is left click on the mouse and B is right click. Move the cursor with the wii mote to the edge of the screen to move to another place on the map or just use the analog stick for it. Use the D-pad on the wiimote to rotate the angle view of the game. Z for zoom in and C for zoom out. The problem is shortcut keys.

aye that could work...but i think u could bring a bit more of the motion sensing into it also to make up for a lack of buttons and thus further increase functionality.

so if were to take total war....holding down one and pointing at different parts of the screen could move the camera to that position and adjust the angle of the camera. turning the wiimote on the z axis could make the camera rotate around a unit. holding one and moving the wiimote foreward or backwards could change the zoom level (which then stays at that zoom when the one button is released so that the player can reset their arm). double clicking A opn a unit will also move the camera to that unit. to freely move it around..u could then use the one button and use the nunchuck to have a look around the battlefield. clicking on the mini map to move the camera is also always an option.

a setup like that would pretty much free the nunchuck up. so for shortcuts...u could hold down C and then use a direction on the analogue stick as a shortcut. so thats 8 shotrcuts. if u use the Z key also then theres 16. that may not be high enough for some players but its certainly respectable. theres also the nunchucks motion sensor to consider...but its not the best so ti could ony be used for more basic functions and stuff thats not really critical.

its a complex setup...but then when did a complex control system scare away the RTS fans?

RTS is fail anywaysmingo123

Your opinion, your loss.

And your failure.

RTSs work on console, they may exceed more on a PC platform, but they aren't unplayable on a console. If you are enjoying a RTS thats on the console that is also on the PC, aren't the video game doing its job? I say the problem is that RTSs aren't being made more in mind as a console only RTS using their strengths over any weakness that could occur that mean happy by jumping platforms. Pikmin is considered a RTS, and look at it. I think they should do less porting and more console exclusives that keep the console in mind sololy. Thats my take on it.

RTSs work on consoles if kept in mind.

RTS is fail anywaysmingo123

Explain.

[QUOTE="mingo123"]RTS is fail anywaysArisShadows

Explain.

Because using your brain properly to build up an economy and base, manage armies and such is "nerdie" not "kool".

On systems that have zero rts standards.

This is just stanting the obvious.

RTS will suck on consoles until better input devices and commuity features come out.

Thas just fact.

last time i checked 8.3 wasnt that badSaL_92

has anyone not seen the XBOX 360 version of end war where you mainly control using the mic ??? looks flipping great?? i think end war will prove you wrong plus the PS3 version you use a mouse and keyboard sooo it will be a PC basically lol

end war will prove that theory wrong! big time

[QUOTE="SaL_92"]last time i checked 8.3 wasnt that badHuusAsking

That would be the lemmings.

has anyone not seen the XBOX 360 version of end war where you mainly control using the mic ??? looks flipping great?? i think end war will prove you wrong plus the PS3 version you use a mouse and keyboard sooo it will be a PC basically lol

end war will prove that theory wrong! big time

Beaglesniffer

All I know is that consoles will never get games as epic as the Total War games :DLonelynight

Nor as fast-paced as games like CoH.

I pray though that Relic doesn't put Homeworld 3 on consoles, if they do develop it.