Console sales goin up and PC sales goin down yet again...

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="pimperjones"]

Then came the tears.pimperjones

Of laughter. On our part, no less.

The thing is, there's bringing out the inner child...and then there's bringing out the inner middle-schooler.

[QUOTE="pimperjones"][QUOTE="Verge_6"]

Of laughter. On our part, no less.

Verge_6

The thing is, there's bringing out the inner child...and then there's bringing out the inner middle-schooler.

Dang Wok7 layed down the smack down. Good job old timer. Where we going drinking? GioVela2010

I never knew anyone who took SW so seriously until today. Buddy is finding this to be some sort of achievment despite the fact that he was still wrong.

[QUOTE="GioVela2010"]Dang Wok7 layed down the smack down. Good job old timer. Where we going drinking? pimperjones

I never knew anyone who took SW so seriously until today. Buddy is finding this to be some sort of achievment despite the fact that he was still wrong.

mo0ksi

[QUOTE="pimperjones"][QUOTE="GioVela2010"]Dang Wok7 layed down the smack down. Good job old timer. Where we going drinking? GioVela2010

Split Screen? ACK!

*throws up*

[QUOTE="GioVela2010"][QUOTE="pimperjones"] Thanks buddy. Anywhere is fine. Tonights my treat. I think I'm gonna retire from Sys Wars for a while, my heart can't take it no more. Singularity22

Split Screen? ACK!

*throws up*

[QUOTE="pimperjones"][QUOTE="GioVela2010"]Dang Wok7 layed down the smack down. Good job old timer. Where we going drinking? GioVela2010

Why does this seem like you are talking to yourself?

After what amounted to five minutes of digging I found PROOF.

http://www.firingsquad.com/features/killing_game_development/page4.asp

Read the whole article. And don't tell me I wrote that article, cause I didn't.

 

AGAIN Blackbond gets OWNED. Along with all his little buddies. Sorry but facts always WIN.

Everyone who believed in me, congrats you are mature. Everyone else, Grow UP

 

pimperjones

Thanks for the article link. I appreciate seeing proof of your claims. I still find it an incredibly unfair sort of agreement to enter into, but I guess this is the sort of crap that happens when costs get as high as they are. I'd hope this doesn't occur in all cases.

This isn't the sort of thing that sinks a development house, naturally, because that's essentially a different (and less fair) threshold before royalties, rather than money they've lost out of pocket. The developers are still being paid all through the process. But the agreement still seems very unfair to me, for reasons I've outlined well earlier. 

It's still a profitable game, of course. EA gets their investment back. Crytek will continue to find employment as a developer. EA will continue to fund new games of that magnitude, because they still make money from them. 

Honestly, the evidence helps a lot. Perhaps to you it seems sensible to say, "People who believe me are mature, and if you don't believe me, you're a kid," but belief based on faith isn't very sensible or mature at all. 

I'm sure the adds on TV didn't help to sell the game... no, huh? And I beleive 1.5m is NPD sells? Bebi_vegeta

regardless of marketing, Halo 3 and Gears 2 have sold a **** ton compared to most PC only titles (WOW and the Sims aside). not trying to start a fight, but just saying.

[QUOTE="Singularity22"]

[QUOTE="GioVela2010"] I dont feel like going out. My old legs are too tired after work. Just come over for some beers instead. I have your favorite Rochefort 10 in the fridge. We can play some godly Split Screen L4D on my 50" Plasma/Home Theater GioVela2010

Split Screen? ACK!

*throws up*

How did you know? Haha. Also, I was never a fan of split screen on an hdtv either. Its just too obnoxious to me.

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Firebird-5"]

If you can't afford to upgrade every now and then (every now and then being 3, 4 years), then get a job or stop complaining because you're still in school. And for the record, most console gamers are angsty teens that get a console from their parents on christmas. Hardly what I would call 'knowledgable in PC' (knowledgable about PCs fyi).

Firebird-5

Really, get a new argument.  That one sucks. 

May I ask exactly how many console gamers are developers?

Really, get a new rebuttal. That one sucks.

Also, I could care less about your qualifications.

In other words: You're wrong. Deal with it. 

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="pimperjones"]

Dude anyone who use to be PC gamers knows that the bulk of PC games created are actually sponsored by GPU manufacturers to max out GPUs and create a market for an otherwise flacid GPU sales.

Companies like Nvidia, ATI killed PC gaming because PC devs stopped making games for gamers but started making them to help sell Video Cards. The only reason games like Crysis can even be profitable for devs considering how many bootleg copies are out there, is because they are sponsored by GPU companies to help create a need for outrageous hardware updates. This kind of greed lead to decline in PC gaming. We are talking about a market where a new GPU was released once every other month and sometimes on a bi-weekly basis. This kind of system where games created were made to push graphics as appose to actual gaming is what lead to PC decline.

I was a PC gamer for years, and what finally stopped me. Was because I knew that I would always need to upgrade my gear in order to enjoy all the bells and whistles of new big franchise releases. This is when I knew that the PC industry was no longer in the business of selling games but rather hardware. And that's why PC gaming has lost of lot of it's fans.

Anyone of you supposed PC gamers who says that they got a 3 year old GPU and they still bring down the house on settings is delusional.

At the end I'm glad that PC gaming is in it's current state, and I'm glad that companies like Blizzard found new ways to profit off of PC games rather than taking GPU sponsorships. The only thing keeping PC gaming a float is MMOs, and even that is gradually shifting to consoles. In the end greed of GPU companies is what killed PC gaming.

pimperjones

As of June 27, 2008,Crysis has beaten EA's expectations and sold 1.5 million copies worldwide, according to a gamesradar article.

If they beat EA's expectations then obvoiusly they were profitable based on the software sales.

Stop lying :|

I know that the 8800gt alone destroyed console sales when it was released.

i know that PC gaming is BY FAR the largest market and is worth $20 billion and is expected to be worth $34 billion in 2011.  There was even a thread created recently on this very topic.  Maybe you should check it out so you can see how just how dead PC gaming really is. 

So why do you subject us to your nonsense about PC gaming being dead/dying? Are you pissed that you're settling for inferiority by choosing consoles?

Seriously, what's your big problem with PC gaming that you have to spout out so much nonsense?

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

I'm sure the adds on TV didn't help to sell the game... no, huh? And I beleive 1.5m is NPD sells? clone01

regardless of marketing, Halo 3 and Gears 2 have sold a **** ton compared to most PC only titles (WOW and the Sims aside). not trying to start a fight, but just saying.

Regardless of marketing, Wii Music, Okami, Boom Blox, have sold a- oh, wait... :|

Gears 2 and Halo 3 are exceptions. The VAST majority of console games NEVER break a million. (About 80-85%)

[QUOTE="clone01"]

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

I'm sure the adds on TV didn't help to sell the game... no, huh? And I beleive 1.5m is NPD sells? dgsag

regardless of marketing, Halo 3 and Gears 2 have sold a **** ton compared to most PC only titles (WOW and the Sims aside). not trying to start a fight, but just saying.

Regardless of marketing, Wii Music, Okami, Boom Blox, have sold a- oh, wait... :|

Gears 2 and Halo 3 are exceptions. The VAST majority of console games NEVER break a million. (About 80-85%)

Oh really?  360 has over 30 million+ sellers,  How many million sellers does PC have since 360 came out? 

[QUOTE="dgsag"][QUOTE="clone01"]

 

regardless of marketing, Halo 3 and Gears 2 have sold a **** ton compared to most PC only titles (WOW and the Sims aside). not trying to start a fight, but just saying.

GioVela2010

Regardless of marketing, Wii Music, Okami, Boom Blox, have sold a- oh, wait... :|

Gears 2 and Halo 3 are exceptions. The VAST majority of console games NEVER break a million. (About 80-85%)

Oh really? 360 has over 30 million+ sellers, How many million sellers does PC have since 360 came out?

If the 360 has 30 million+ sellers, then he's right, the vast majority DO NOT sell 1 million.

Oh really?  360 has over 30 million+ sellers,  How many million sellers does PC have since 360 came out?  GioVela2010

There are 554 360 titles.

That's 5 percent.  Roughly 4 times worse than what he said.

You were trying to disprove his point?  Nice try.

[QUOTE="dgsag"][QUOTE="clone01"]

 

regardless of marketing, Halo 3 and Gears 2 have sold a **** ton compared to most PC only titles (WOW and the Sims aside). not trying to start a fight, but just saying.

GioVela2010

Regardless of marketing, Wii Music, Okami, Boom Blox, have sold a- oh, wait... :|

Gears 2 and Halo 3 are exceptions. The VAST majority of console games NEVER break a million. (About 80-85%)

Oh really?  360 has over 30 million+ sellers,  How many million sellers does PC have since 360 came out? 

Crysis

Call of Duty 4

Spore

Sims 2: Pets

Sims 2: Seasons

STALKER

Bioshock

Supreme Commander

The Witcher

Command and Conquer: Tiberium Wars

Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning

The Orange Box

Age of Conan

Civilization IV (Come on, it came out a few weeks beforethe 360)

World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade

World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King

Hellgate: London 

At least 15 titles.

Mind you, these are only off the top of my head and mostly represent retail sales. Lots of games that sell through DD are unaccounted for.

[QUOTE="dgsag"][QUOTE="clone01"]

 

regardless of marketing, Halo 3 and Gears 2 have sold a **** ton compared to most PC only titles (WOW and the Sims aside). not trying to start a fight, but just saying.

GioVela2010

Regardless of marketing, Wii Music, Okami, Boom Blox, have sold a- oh, wait... :|

Gears 2 and Halo 3 are exceptions. The VAST majority of console games NEVER break a million. (About 80-85%)

Oh really360 has over 30 million+ sellers; How many million sellers does PC have since 360 came out?

[QUOTE="GioVela2010"][QUOTE="dgsag"]

 

Regardless of marketing, Wii Music, Okami, Boom Blox, have sold a- oh, wait... :|

Gears 2 and Halo 3 are exceptions. The VAST majority of console games NEVER break a million. (About 80-85%)

AdrianWerner

Oh really360 has over 30 million+ sellers; How many million sellers does PC have since 360 came out?

Well than 99% of PC games don't break a million 

[QUOTE="GioVela2010"][QUOTE="dgsag"]

 

Regardless of marketing, Wii Music, Okami, Boom Blox, have sold a- oh, wait... :|

Gears 2 and Halo 3 are exceptions. The VAST majority of console games NEVER break a million. (About 80-85%)

dgsag

Oh really?  360 has over 30 million+ sellers,  How many million sellers does PC have since 360 came out? 

Crysis

Call of Duty 4

Spore

Sims 2: Pets

Sims 2: Seasons

STALKER

Bioshock

Supreme Commander

The Witcher

Command and Conquer: Tiberium Wars

Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning

The Orange Box

Age of Conan

Civilization IV (Come on, it came out a few weeks beforethe 360)

World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade

World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King

Hellgate: London 

At least 15 titles.

Mind you, these are only off the top of my head and mostly represent retail sales. Lots of games that sell through DD are unaccounted for.

Until you list 30+ you have proven nothing except for the fact that a much higher % of 360 games sell over a million vs PC games

I just called my buddy. He laughed his ass off. We are gonna go out for drinks tonight. Sorry kiddies not invited.

This is by far my sweetest System Wars victory to date.

pimperjones

 

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"][QUOTE="GioVela2010"]

 

Oh really360 has over 30 million+ sellers; How many million sellers does PC have since 360 came out?

GioVela2010

Well than 99% of PC games don't break a million 

 

[QUOTE="dgsag"][QUOTE="GioVela2010"]

 

Oh really?  360 has over 30 million+ sellers,  How many million sellers does PC have since 360 came out? 

GioVela2010

Crysis

Call of Duty 4

Spore

Sims 2: Pets

Sims 2: Seasons

STALKER

Bioshock

Supreme Commander

The Witcher

Command and Conquer: Tiberium Wars

Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning

The Orange Box

Age of Conan

Civilization IV (Come on, it came out a few weeks beforethe 360)

World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade

World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King

Hellgate: London 

At least 15 titles.

Mind you, these are only off the top of my head and mostly represent retail sales. Lots of games that sell through DD are unaccounted for.

Until you list 30+ you have proven nothing except for the fact that a much higher % of 360 games sell over a million vs PC games

When did I ever compare the number of million sellers the PC has to the 360?

My point is, the vast majority of console games sell at the same level as "normal" selling PC games. Two First-party projects (Halo, Gears) don't represent a console game's true sales potential.

[QUOTE="pimperjones"]

I just called my buddy. He laughed his ass off. We are gonna go out for drinks tonight. Sorry kiddies not invited.

This is by far my sweetest System Wars victory to date.

AdrianWerner

I was gonna let it go, but you just had to get me started. This is what I wrote exactly word for word:

Even though they are in red of 14 million, they do NOT have to actually write out a check to EA, the MINUS 14 mill only acts as a barrier to Crytek collecting on the IP's future sales

Dude I'm never wrong. So why don't you just suck it up and face your ownage like your friend. Man I come back from some beers and the band of children are back for a second coming.

P.S Dexter sucks.

Dude I'm never wrong. So why don't you just suck it up and face your ownage like your friend. Man I come back from some beers and the band of children are back for a second coming.pimperjones

Sorry, but your late weak attempt at damage control isn't enough. The same with idea that gpu companies paid Crytek any money. YOu were wrong and you got owned, live with it

[QUOTE="pimperjones"]Dude I'm never wrong. So why don't you just suck it up and face your ownage like your friend. Man I come back from some beers and the band of children are back for a second coming.AdrianWerner

Sorry, but your late weak attempt at damage control isn't enough. The same with idea that gpu companies paid Crytek any money. YOu were wrong and you got owned, live with it

Please kid, I wrote that like years before I did any research. I got my info directly from the source, so how could I be wrong?

Here's my orginal post:

None of you guys seems to know how the game industry works. Here are some words from someone who knows.

In order for your dev team to make $$$ you need to follow the industry rules. You pitch game idea, you get advance aka funding on idea from publisher, you make the game, then you get a cut of the net sales, minus the advance aka funding.

It works like this.

Sales X ROYALTEES - Budget (Advance Funding By Publisher) = NET PROFIT for Dev Team.

Okay. So You the Cryptek team or whatever comes up with a brilliant idea like Crysis. So you pitch the idea to the publisher EA. The publisher EA says great. You got a great game idea. So here's 22 million dollars in advance to develop the game and we will give you TOPS 23% Royaltees on the Gross (Royaltees Cap at around 24%) So now with 22 million from EA you make your game Crysis.

Years later

1.5 Million units in Sales = 37 million USD in Gross Sales at (25 USD per sale minus, distributors cut)

37 million X 0.23% (royaltees) = 8 million - 22 million advance = -14 million.

You've just lost 14 million dollars.

As a developer Crysis was a flop, EA made money on their investment, but the Devs must have gotten sponsorship dollars to be laughing. Otherwise they are crying.

 

And please point out in my orginal post where I said, Cryptek has to pay EA 14 million. I've quoted the post for you so please prove me wrong.

pimperjones

Sorry kid, you got owned badly. Live with it 

[QUOTE="pimperjones"]

And please point out in my orginal post where I said, Cryptek has to pay EA 14 million. I've quoted the post for you so please prove me wrong.

AdrianWerner

Sorry kid, you got owned badly. Live with it

Losing 14 million dollars in potential profits has nothing to do with writing out a check for 14 mil. Get your facts straight. For as long as the Crysis ip makes money EA will continue to cash in on that minus 14 million dollar balance that Crytek has lost. And I continue to say LOST, because the money is coming out of their own IP royaltees. And yes Cryptek did recieve money from GPU companies. I still stick with that, cause that's what my friend told me, and I trust my friend more than some guy with an Go Dexter avatar. Thanks.

Since I've proven my point again, I'm going to sleep.

Ciao.

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"][QUOTE="pimperjones"]

 

And please point out in my orginal post where I said, Cryptek has to pay EA 14 million. I've quoted the post for you so please prove me wrong.

pimperjones

Sorry kid, you got owned badly. Live with it

Losing 14 million dollars in potential profits has nothing to do with writing out a check for 14 mil. Get your facts straight. For as long as the Crysis ip makes money EA will continue to cash in on that minus 14 million dollar balance that Crytek has lost. And I continue to say LOST, because the money is coming out of their own IP royaltees. And yes Cryptek did recieve money from GPU companies. I still stick with that, cause that's what my friend told me, and I trust my friend more than some guy with an Go Dexter avatar. Thanks.

Since I've proven my point again, I'm going to sleep.

Ciao.

And you also lost any credibility you had with your "friend" comment

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5719&Itemid=39 

"Sources very close to the company have said that the company spent some 4 to 5 million dollars in marketing. They didn't give the money, they simply spent it for marketing,." 

No wonder you write nonsense, if you believe lies your friend (if he even exist in the first place) tells you. 

[QUOTE="pimperjones"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]ermm..you clearly wrote Crytek lost 14mln. It's right there in your quote. You also wrote Crytek must have gotten sponsorship dollars. Both claims are dead wrong.

Sorry kid, you got owned badly. Live with it

AdrianWerner

Losing 14 million dollars in potential profits has nothing to do with writing out a check for 14 mil. Get your facts straight. For as long as the Crysis ip makes money EA will continue to cash in on that minus 14 million dollar balance that Crytek has lost. And I continue to say LOST, because the money is coming out of their own IP royaltees. And yes Cryptek did recieve money from GPU companies. I still stick with that, cause that's what my friend told me, and I trust my friend more than some guy with an Go Dexter avatar. Thanks.

Since I've proven my point again, I'm going to sleep.

Ciao.

And you also lost any credibility you had with your "friend" comment

http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5719&Itemid=39

"Sources very close to the company have said that the company spent some 4 to 5 million dollars in marketing. They didn't give the money, they simply spent it for marketing,."

No wonder you write nonsense, if you believe lies your friend (if he even exist in the first place) tells you.

When you make a game that recieves no royaltees you cry.

When you take GPU kickbacks you act the way Cryptek does now.

End of story.

I can't stand a sore loser.

P.S When you grow up you will understand what kick backs mean. If a kick back is out in the open so any kid can find out about it, it ain't a kick back.

When you are in minuses in LOSE MONEY.

When you make a game that recieves no royaltees you cry.

When you take GPU kickbacks you act the way Cryptek does now.

End of story.

I can't stand a sore loser.

P.S When you grow up you will understand what kick backs mean. If a kick back is out the open so any kid can find out about it, it ain't a kick back.

pimperjones

Frankly, I'm impressed with your debating style.  Whenever you're backed into a corner, you start saying the other person has been "owned" or is acting like a "sore loser", and then you deflect the argument to a more winnable one.  You lost this argument several hundred posts back, but you just don't quit.  It's pretty admirable. :P

Yeah all my BS rambling, which I just happens to be true. Why don't you admit that when I found that article online that proved my so called RAMBLING was actually FACT, you pissed yourself.pimperjones

Go to sleep, and tomorrow your mom will make you a nice breakfast. You'll feel better

pimperjones

[QUOTE="pimperjones"]

When you are in minuses in LOSE MONEY.

When you make a game that recieves no royaltees you cry.

When you take GPU kickbacks you act the way Cryptek does now.

End of story.

I can't stand a sore loser.

P.S When you grow up you will understand what kick backs mean. If a kick back is out the open so any kid can find out about it, it ain't a kick back.

agentfred

Frankly, I'm impressed with your debating style. Whenever you're backed into a corner, you start saying the other person has been "owned" or is acting like a "sore loser", and then you deflect the argument to a more winnable one. You lost this argument several hundred posts back, but you just don't quit. It's pretty admirable. :P

It's not my job to teach you how not to be a sore loser and apologize after being proven wrong. Apparently your parents neglected that basic human trait, so I forgive them.

 

pimperjones

Epic failure. 

[QUOTE="pimperjones"]

It's not my job to teach you how not to be a sore loser and apologize after being proven wrong. Apparently your parents neglected that basic human trait, so I forgive them.

 

AdrianWerner

Epic failure. 

did it occur to either of you that both of you are acting like children? you are both going crazy and launching personal attacks, and all over whether or not crysis made or lost money. you are going insane due to a video game! come on...

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"][QUOTE="pimperjones"]

It's not my job to teach you how not to be a sore loser and apologize after being proven wrong. Apparently your parents neglected that basic human trait, so I forgive them.

thesmiter

Epic failure.

did it occur to either of you that both of you are acting like children? you are both going crazy and launching personal attacks, and all over whether or not crysis made or lost money. you are going insane due to a video game! come on...

This guy just couldn't let it go.

just apologize for being ignorant, it's not a sin. It's okay that I know more about the gaming industry, and what you thought was a blatant lie from me, turned out to be actual fact. I know I made you look stupid when I came on and delivered that article that you so desperatly wanted. But you were the one that asked for it. I told you that the proof was out there, but you just had to ask for internet proof. You set yourself up for the fall. Sorry.pimperjones

I provided you a proof that Nvidia didn't give money, but you fail to acknowledge that, then you completely failed to provide any proof that Crytek lost money on Crysis.  And now you're trying to make yourself good? You're failing I'm afraid.

You haven't been able to prove me wrong even once in the whole thread. 

 

It's okay. Even if you don't apologize for your ignorance, I can still forgive you because you are a child and childen need a second chance.

 

pimperjones

I'm pretty sure I'm a lot older than you are. 

[QUOTE="thesmiter"]

did it occur to either of you that both of you are acting like children? you are both going crazy and launching personal attacks, and all over whether or not crysis made or lost money. you are going insane due to a video game! come on...

pimperjones

This guy just couldn't let it go.

Neither could you it seems.

Okay since you guys are stepping in. I will let it go now. But if I hear this kid posting anymore more BS about me, then it's not me that's breaking the truce.

This will be my last post so long as this guy can keep his mouth shut.

did it occur to either of you that both of you are acting like children? you are both going crazy and launching personal attacks, and all over whether or not crysis made or lost money. you are going insane due to a video game! come on...

thesmiter

A random SW member or CEOs of those companies? the answer is obvious, which makes it even more funny that he demands (not asks, demands!) people here to trust his word over theirs.

On other forums his posts would just be replied with endless stream of rolleyes smileys, but since this is SW it couldn't end with just that.