consoles have nothing on the ati r600

How does this card make the 360 obsolete?  Xbox 360 is $400 and that offers a complete gaming experience.  This is just a card.  It will probably cost over $1000.dgroundwater

Wow yet a again a dumb ill informed fanboy. These cards will be priced right around the 8800GTS and 8800GTX. So prices from $300-$550. In the business world people compete. So other consumers will by their product over someone elses. You must be 12 years old.

[QUOTE="dgroundwater"]How does this card make the 360 obsolete? Xbox 360 is $400 and that offers a complete gaming experience. This is just a card. It will probably cost over $1000.Killfox

Wow yet a again a dumb ill informed fanboy. These cards will be priced right around the 8800GTS and 8800GTX. So prices from $300-$550. In the business world people compete. So other consumers will by their product over someone elses. You must be 12 years old.

Actually expect it to be around $600. I've seen plenty of ATI cards launch at that price for the high end. Remember this is an ATI card, not a 3rd party hardware company 

Sadly I could buy a 360 and a wii all set and ready to play games. Or I could buy a graphics card, which can't do jack by itselfDoctorBunny

Yeah you do know over life cycle of a console that you will end up paying more than you would if you bought a PC. Xboxlive for 5 years- $200, 4 controllers ( since all console fanboys brag that they can play with friends on their couch) - $200, Games - $60. We only play $20-$30 for high quality games. WE also dont have to buy fancy $2000 HDTVs.

[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"]

when this beast comes out console will look last gen and it will happen beforce ps3 even turns 1.

320stream processor while x360 has whopping 48

512bit memory bus vs 128bit on consoles

5.1 surrond sound support through hdmi

I though x360 was meant to be a r600 so much for that, it a very very slow version at best. This thing has over 6.6x the power of x360's gpu just in shader numbers along, not to mention it will most likely have 1gb video ram @ probaly something like 90gb/s vs 22gb/s on consoles and gpu core will run @ well over the 500mhz on x360

x360 has a year in which it could keep up with pc but now that is over

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=6903

 

NextGenNow

7 cores? last time i checked 360 had the most with 3 cores ps3 with 1 and pc coming out with quad core this year 

[QUOTE="DoctorBunny"]Sadly I could buy a 360 and a wii all set and ready to play games. Or I could buy a graphics card, which can't do jack by itselfKillfox

Yeah you do know over life cycle of a console that you will end up paying more than you would if you bought a PC. Xboxlive for 5 years- $200, 4 controllers ( since all console fanboys brag that they can play with friends on their couch) - $200, Games - $60. We only play $20-$30 for high quality games. WE also dont have to buy fancy $2000 HDTVs.

Really now? I bought a nice 1o80p widescreen tv for $700 new from best buy on sale :). I dont need more than one controller as friends BRING THIER OWN. no cost there. Oh and last time I looked pc games were $10 cheaper.  so that goes to about $1300-$1500

I've seen a pc monitor go for $1500, so lets go with that logic. And dual graphic cards, top of the line $1200 right there. woah those 2 components alone just doubled the cost! 

Enjoy paying $1,000 for One card. :lol:

 

PS3_3DO

[QUOTE="Killfox"]

[QUOTE="DoctorBunny"]Sadly I could buy a 360 and a wii all set and ready to play games. Or I could buy a graphics card, which can't do jack by itselfDoctorBunny

Yeah you do know over life cycle of a console that you will end up paying more than you would if you bought a PC. Xboxlive for 5 years- $200, 4 controllers ( since all console fanboys brag that they can play with friends on their couch) - $200, Games - $60. We only play $20-$30 for high quality games. WE also dont have to buy fancy $2000 HDTVs.

Really now? I bought a nice 1o80p widescreen tv for $700 new from best buy on sale :). I dont need more than one controller as friends BRING THIER OWN. no cost there. Oh and last time I looked pc games were $10 cheaper.  so that goes to about $1300-$1500

I've seen a pc monitor go for $1500, so lets go with that logic. And dual graphic cards, top of the line $1200 right there. woah those 2 components alone just doubled the cost! 

First since you are posting and responding to me then you must have monitor. So no I dont need to spend $1500 on a monitor. I would really like to know what kind of HDTV you have? Yeah um no PC games are not $10 cheaper. Last time I checked they can be from $20 to $40 cheaper. I dont need dual graphics card to play games at max settings. With my PC right now I can max out every game that is out right now. So their goes your $1200 for dual cards. The only people that buy two GPUs is so they can have a higher 3dmark06 score. I dont argueing with 12 year olds that are ill informed.

[QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

Enjoy paying $1,000 for One card. :lol:

 

baddog121390

Well, Gears shows that the 360 can push UE3 graphics just fine. When you say that, you really are diminishing yourself to the fanboy logic that reigns supreme here. And as a fellow hermit, I urge you not to go there. :D

[QUOTE="baddog121390"][QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

Enjoy paying $1,000 for One card. :lol:

 

TheCrazed420

Well, Gears shows that the 360 can push UE3 graphics just fine. When you say that, you really are diminishing yourself to the fanboy logic that reigns supreme here. And as a fellow hermit, I urge you not to go there. :D

Your crazy if you dont think UE3 will look better on PC.

Enjoy paying $1,000 for One card. :lol:

 

PS3_3DO

Okay thats a kinda high really, the top-end version probably won't be more than $600-700... BUT...

For people like me who don't constantly upgrade or have the latest stuff... it would cost $1000+ to have that card because:

a. I have a AGP mobo... so I gotta upgrade my mobo for PCI-E, which means of course

b. I have to upgrade my memory and my CPU as well.

c. I don't think my existing 350w PSU will cut it with all this new stuff so I'd need a new PSU as well.

I'd basically have to gut and rebuild my system around the video card. Would be far more than $1000. This, IMO, is the dark side of PC gaming that I have grown completely tired of. The constant upgrade cycles and changing technology in PC parts has worn thin on me, not to mention there just aren't that many PC games I care about any more, and I don't need a $1500 setup to run World of Warcraft...

How does this card make the 360 obsolete? Xbox 360 is $400 and that offers a complete gaming experience. This is just a card. It will probably cost over $1000.dgroundwater

[QUOTE="baddog121390"][QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

Enjoy paying $1,000 for One card. :lol:

 

TheCrazed420

Well, Gears shows that the 360 can push UE3 graphics just fine. When you say that, you really are diminishing yourself to the fanboy logic that reigns supreme here. And as a fellow hermit, I urge you not to go there. :D

Looks like it is time to start planning out my new rig then. I am pretty excited as I have not ungraded since the X800 series.

I will be going with the

E6600(or similarly priced chip when I buy) 

Nvidia 680i MOBO

The R600(obviously)

OCZ or PC&C 600+ Watt PS

a Sick aluminum case(most likely a cooler master Stacker 830) 

 A Tuniq Tower HSF

I think that is it besides the obvious HD and optical drives. Probabl;y going to go with dual 320GB Seagate SATA drives and run them in a Raid-0.

when this beast comes out console will look last gen and it will happen beforce ps3 even turns 1.

320stream processor while x360 has whopping 48

512bit memory bus vs 128bit on consoles

5.1 surrond sound support through hdmi

I though x360 was meant to be a r600 so much for that, it a very very slow version at best. This thing has over 6.6x the power of x360's gpu just in shader numbers along, not to mention it will most likely have 1gb video ram @ probaly something like 90gb/s vs 22gb/s on consoles and gpu core will run @ well over the 500mhz on x360

x360 has a year in which it could keep up with pc but now that is over

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=6903

 

imprezawrx500

So, your point is that a roughly 2 year old graphics card in a console is not as powerful as a graphics card that hasn't been released yet, and that will cost about 150-200 more than the entire console?  You're really going out on a limb there Dr. Obvious.  Hey, I have a prediction, the ATI R700 will be more powerful than the R600.  Discuss.

[QUOTE="baddog121390"][QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

Enjoy paying $1,000 for One card. :lol:

 

TheCrazed420

[QUOTE="TheCrazed420"][QUOTE="baddog121390"][QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

Enjoy paying $1,000 for One card. :lol:

 

Killfox

Well, Gears shows that the 360 can push UE3 graphics just fine. When you say that, you really are diminishing yourself to the fanboy logic that reigns supreme here. And as a fellow hermit, I urge you not to go there. :D

Your crazy if you dont think UE3 will look better on PC.

Never said that. But Gears on a 720p set looks mighty fine. Sure, my PC can run it better, but baddog saying they look crappy is a fanboy comment. Take off the glasses.

[QUOTE="TheCrazed420"][QUOTE="baddog121390"][QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

Enjoy paying $1,000 for One card. :lol:

 

baddog121390

Well, Gears shows that the 360 can push UE3 graphics just fine. When you say that, you really are diminishing yourself to the fanboy logic that reigns supreme here. And as a fellow hermit, I urge you not to go there. :D

UE3 doesn't impress anymore? Please, stop trying to sound like this elitist PC gamer, if you didn't notice I'm a hermit as well. Why do you have to use such extreme terms? Crysis looks great, but it doesn't make UE3 look "like a joke". You said it yourself ; UT3 will be nice, and Mass Effect is looking pretty sharp as well. I love my PC more than any console, but your comments are no better than the uninformed console fanboy comments polluting this thread.

[QUOTE="TheCrazed420"][QUOTE="baddog121390"][QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

Enjoy paying $1,000 for One card. :lol:

 

Core0

Again, I never said the PC won't push UE3 better than the xbox. Go thru the thread. Yup, I never said that. That $400 console is sure pushing out some great product for the price. Any smart consumer would agree with me.

And to say the 360 is being pushed to it's limits already is also quite false. Look at Ninja Gaiden on the xbox hardware. Developers who get familiar with the hardware will find new ways to make it work better. It's a fact. Look at the gaming history. This has been proven over and over again.

[QUOTE="Killfox"][QUOTE="TheCrazed420"][QUOTE="baddog121390"][QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

Enjoy paying $1,000 for One card. :lol:

 

TheCrazed420

Well, Gears shows that the 360 can push UE3 graphics just fine. When you say that, you really are diminishing yourself to the fanboy logic that reigns supreme here. And as a fellow hermit, I urge you not to go there. :D

Your crazy if you dont think UE3 will look better on PC.

Never said that. But Gears on a 720p set looks mighty fine. Sure, my PC can run it better, but baddog saying they look crappy is a fanboy comment. Take off the glasses.

[QUOTE="TheCrazed420"][QUOTE="baddog121390"][QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

Enjoy paying $1,000 for One card. :lol:

 

baddog121390

Well, Gears shows that the 360 can push UE3 graphics just fine. When you say that, you really are diminishing yourself to the fanboy logic that reigns supreme here. And as a fellow hermit, I urge you not to go there. :D

UE3 doesn't impress anymore? Please, stop trying to sound like this elitist PC gamer, if you didn't notice I'm a hermit as well. Why do you have to use such extreme terms? Crysis looks great, but it doesn't make UE3 look "like a joke". You said it yourself ; UT3 will be nice, and Mass Effect is looking pretty sharp as well. I love my PC more than any console, but your comments are no better than the uninformed console fanboy comments polluting this thread.

[QUOTE="TheCrazed420"][QUOTE="Killfox"][QUOTE="TheCrazed420"][QUOTE="baddog121390"][QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

Enjoy paying $1,000 for One card. :lol:

 

baddog121390

Well, Gears shows that the 360 can push UE3 graphics just fine. When you say that, you really are diminishing yourself to the fanboy logic that reigns supreme here. And as a fellow hermit, I urge you not to go there. :D

Your crazy if you dont think UE3 will look better on PC.

Never said that. But Gears on a 720p set looks mighty fine. Sure, my PC can run it better, but baddog saying they look crappy is a fanboy comment. Take off the glasses.

[QUOTE="TheCrazed420"][QUOTE="baddog121390"][QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

Enjoy paying $1,000 for One card. :lol:

 

baddog121390

Well, Gears shows that the 360 can push UE3 graphics just fine. When you say that, you really are diminishing yourself to the fanboy logic that reigns supreme here. And as a fellow hermit, I urge you not to go there. :D

UE3 doesn't impress anymore? Please, stop trying to sound like this elitist PC gamer, if you didn't notice I'm a hermit as well. Why do you have to use such extreme terms? Crysis looks great, but it doesn't make UE3 look "like a joke". You said it yourself ; UT3 will be nice, and Mass Effect is looking pretty sharp as well. I love my PC more than any console, but your comments are no better than the uninformed console fanboy comments polluting this thread.

Not at all. I think I may have bruised your ego though. :P

[QUOTE="_Tobli_"]

[QUOTE="Hammerofjustice"]24x anti-aliasing. vs xbox360's 4x :lol:
NextGenNow

vs PS3's 2x :| 

 What does the drive read speed have to do with the AA a gpu can do? Btw the xbox360 reads at 12x which is about twice as fast as ps3. As for AA, the 360 GPU is better and thus can produce better graphics, the 360 does 4x AA with just the edram, but I believe that is not the limit if devs decide to use more gpu juice for it. PC of course is more powerful than both consoles, and with the new 3D chips IBM has developed, PCs will by far surpass consoles in the next few years.

Sad thing is that by the time it releases, there will be a bigger, better, faster card announced to come out within a year or so...Spartan070

So what? It doesn't make the original card obsolete. If someone we're to buy a 8800GTX now, that card could last them 3 years, regardless of what new cards come out after. They will steadily have to reduce the settings in games, but it will certainly still be playable.

And to say the 360 is being pushed to it's limits already is also quite false. Look at Ninja Gaiden on the xbox hardware. Developers who get familiar with the hardware will find new ways to make it work better. It's a fact. Look at the gaming history. This has been proven over and over again.TheCrazed420

[QUOTE="TheCrazed420"]And to say the 360 is being pushed to it's limits already is also quite false. Look at Ninja Gaiden on the xbox hardware. Developers who get familiar with the hardware will find new ways to make it work better. It's a fact. Look at the gaming history. This has been proven over and over again.Core0

The xbox was a very easy platform to develop for. 512 MB of RAM is plenty without needing to maintain a bloated OS, like in Windows. And Mark Rein is probably stating that he was using close to maximum of the 360's resources. That doesn't mean that future dev's won't come up with more optimized code that will effectively give them more overhead to work with.

An 8800 GTS will max Crysis.. No need to spend the extra dough quite yet.
evilbarbarian

I agree.

We don't even know how R600 will perform yet. For all we know, the stream processors could be clocked lower than those in the 8800, resulting in close competition. 

Too bad game developers are not going to be making games that really push and utilize that card to it's fullest because they of course have to take into account the fact that there many other computers with different gpu's. That's the thing that many of you can't seem to realize. A console may be a lot less powerful, but the fact that it's developers make games for a specific hardware that can be tested and retested is a huge advantage.Zerostatic0

This is plain ignorance. Listen for once, developers don't make games for different games; they always make it for DirectX or openGL which is the same on most of the computers.

[QUOTE="evilbarbarian"]An 8800 GTS will max Crysis.. No need to spend the extra dough quite yet.
dgsag

I agree.

We don't even know how R600 will perform yet. For all we know, the stream processors could be clocked lower than those in the 8800, resulting in close competition. 

I doubt it. ATI's been taking quite a while with their new line of cards. I think they are ensuring that it not only blows away the 8800GTX, but either competes with or exceeds the 8900 series as well.

The xbox was a very easy platform to develop for. 512 MB of RAM is plenty without needing to maintain a bloated OS, like in Windows. And Mark Rein is probably stating that he was using close to maximum of the 360's resources. That doesn't mean that future dev's won't come up with more optimized code that will effectively give them more overhead to work with.

TheCrazed420

Though it is possible that I misinterpreted Rein's interviews, I still believe optimization was exactly what he meant. 

[QUOTE="Spartan070"]Sad thing is that by the time it releases, there will be a bigger, better, faster card announced to come out within a year or so...TheCrazed420

So what? It doesn't make the original card obsolete. If someone we're to buy a 8800GTX now, that card could last them 3 years, regardless of what new cards come out after. They will steadily have to reduce the settings in games, but it will certainly still be playable.

I never said it was a bad thing.  I was only implying that bragging rights on most powerful hadware are such short lived experiences.

Too bad game developers are not going to be making games that really push and utilize that card to it's fullest because they of course have to take into account the fact that there many other computers with different gpu's. That's the thing that many of you can't seem to realize. A console may be a lot less powerful, but the fact that it's developers make games for a specific hardware that can be tested and retested is a huge advantage.Zerostatic0

This is plain ignorance. Listen for once, developers don't make games for different games; they always make it for DirectX or openGL which is the same on most of the computers.

[QUOTE="TheCrazed420"]

The xbox was a very easy platform to develop for. 512 MB of RAM is plenty without needing to maintain a bloated OS, like in Windows. And Mark Rein is probably stating that he was using close to maximum of the 360's resources. That doesn't mean that future dev's won't come up with more optimized code that will effectively give them more overhead to work with.

Core0

Though it is possible that I misinterpreted Rein's interviews, I still believe optimization was exactly what he meant. 

I agree with you that 2 GB of RAM with a 512 MB card is obviously the superior hardware. But the fact that developer's have to spend so much time scaling their games to work on wildly varying hardware, instead of focusing all of their attention developing for a fixed platform, balances that out.

Again, I'm not disagreeing with you here that the PC has better hardware and better looking games, and will kick some serious butt these next couple of years. I just think the 360 is great too. They can live together.

[QUOTE="Core0"][QUOTE="TheCrazed420"]

The xbox was a very easy platform to develop for. 512 MB of RAM is plenty without needing to maintain a bloated OS, like in Windows. And Mark Rein is probably stating that he was using close to maximum of the 360's resources. That doesn't mean that future dev's won't come up with more optimized code that will effectively give them more overhead to work with.

TheCrazed420

Though it is possible that I misinterpreted Rein's interviews, I still believe optimization was exactly what he meant. 

I agree with you that 2 GB of RAM with a 512 MB card is obviously the superior hardware. But the fact that developer's have to spend so much time scaling their games to work on wildly varying hardware, instead of focusing all of their attention developing for a fixed platform, balances that out.

Again, I'm not disagreeing with you here that the PC has better hardware and better looking games, and will kick some serious butt these next couple of years. I just think the 360 is great too. They can live together.

Yes the PC and 360 itself can but not a hermit and a lemming. Most common sentence that has been coming out lately. "Your going to need 3K to run crysis at max." Actual words from a lemming. I laughed really really hard. Lemmings are the most ill informed people on this forum about PCs and PC hardware and PC prices. In fact im still chuckling a bit.

The xbox was a very easy platform to develop for. 512 MB of RAM is plenty without needing to maintain a bloated OS, like in Windows.TheCrazed420

[QUOTE="Zerostatic0"]Too bad game developers are not going to be making games that really push and utilize that card to it's fullest because they of course have to take into account the fact that there many other computers with different gpu's. That's the thing that many of you can't seem to realize. A console may be a lot less powerful, but the fact that it's developers make games for a specific hardware that can be tested and retested is a huge advantage.zaigham

This is plain ignorance. Listen for once, developers don't make games for different games; they always make it for DirectX or openGL which is the same on most of the computers.

[QUOTE="Core0"][QUOTE="TheCrazed420"]

The xbox was a very easy platform to develop for. 512 MB of RAM is plenty without needing to maintain a bloated OS, like in Windows. And Mark Rein is probably stating that he was using close to maximum of the 360's resources. That doesn't mean that future dev's won't come up with more optimized code that will effectively give them more overhead to work with.

TheCrazed420

Though it is possible that I misinterpreted Rein's interviews, I still believe optimization was exactly what he meant. 

I agree with you that 2 GB of RAM with a 512 MB card is obviously the superior hardware. But the fact that developer's have to spend so much time scaling their games to work on wildly varying hardware, instead of focusing all of their attention developing for a fixed platform, balances that out.

Again, I'm not disagreeing with you here that the PC has better hardware and better looking games, and will kick some serious butt these next couple of years. I just think the 360 is great too. They can live together.

the thing is lower res textures use less ram, less lightting etc.  if you system lacks ram it will just use the page file. 

OK hermits, show me one good looking PC games to the moment.

Nothing? :D

dimar19

lolz?

[QUOTE="dimar19"]

OK hermits, show me one good looking PC games to the moment.

Nothing? :D

IgGy621985

lolz?

Keyword: good looking. 

Why you would spend so much to play a game in better graphics is beyond me.Shadow_Elite192

Some of us play more than the two games in the Halo series ;)

I smell jealousy somewhere here. :P 

[QUOTE="Shadow_Elite192"]Why you would spend so much to play a game in better graphics is beyond me.dgsag

Some of us play more than the two games in the Halo series ;)

I smell jealousy somewhere here. :P

 Nope i only play halo 2 on XBL not halo 1 so i play 1 game.