Consoles look good for 5 year old hardware? No its Optimization...

Alot of threads are talking about how console graphics are keeping up with PC. And for 5 year old hardware its looking good.....Well its not. Console hardware is wack and the reason game graphics seem to improve is because of optimization. Credit goes to the programmers.

Here's a pic of a Donkey for no reason.

Optimization, which leads to the games still looking good despite the five-year old console generation. In the end, Consoles do still look good for five-year hardware.

So if it wasn't for the devs, console games would look bad, uh?? :roll:

Well, as already pointed out this is a no brainer, but dont act like PC games arent heavily optimized as well. Not just engine code, but assets as well. For example PC games still have to use normal maps to achieve high levels of surface detail as well. Its not as if PC devs are rigging up 50 million tri + meshes straight out of Zbrush or Mudbox and throwing them at the engine.

Picture of the donkey is from Crysis right?!?!?!?

Thank you for the useful bit of information.

Picture of the donkey is from Crysis right?!?!?!?

Snakemaster9

No, Crysis's graphics are better than real life's.

That's what Devs are suppose to do, take advantage of the platform they are developing for.

Alot of threads are talking about how console graphics are keeping up with PC. And for 5 year old hardware its looking good.....Well its not. Console hardware is wack and the reason game graphics seem to improve is because of optimization. Credit goes to the programmers

mattuk69

Console developers more efficient confirmed.

My point is devs and programmers should get credit where its due. Some console gamers dont know this. "Crysis 2 proves consoles can still stand up to pc" threads are showing up. A gimped 7800GT and 265mb ram being able to run cryengine 3 and games like UC2 shows the lvl of optimization today.

Well its common sense really... Look at an early game for the 360 PGR3 it was only 640p. PGR4 comes out looks better and its 720p, obviously the dev got more out of the 360 this time around.

all this time I thought gnomes were sneaking into my room at night to swap out the hardwarelamprey263

Yeah... because that's not what really happens...

all this time I thought gnomes were sneaking into my room at night to swap out the hardwarelamprey263

It's not gnomes, it's Microsoft/Sony employees. Why you gotta be so mean? :cry:

Wow! So your saying its up to all the programmers and developers to determine if a game is going to be optimized or not?:o

I think it is low standarts. Been a while since a graphicalground-breaking high budget game in PC (+3years).

I think it is low standarts. Been a while since a graphicalground-breaking high budget game in PC (+3years).

Masculus

Don't think Metro 2033 was high-budget yet it beats Crysis on vanilla settings. Anyone who says this isn't stunning must be blind.

The Witcher 2, Shogun 2, and Crysis 2 will all look better than Crysis 1 though...hopefully.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXw-Qlp8P3k&feature=related

Post 4:30

Watch in HD.

This is to understand how far behind the console graphics are.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXw-Qlp8P3k&feature=related

Post 4:30

Watch in HD.

This is to understand how far behind the console graphics are.

True_Gamer_

You, my friend, are a true gamer indeed.

That doesn't change the fact that they look good...

That doesn't change the fact that they look good...

Wasdie

Nicely designed, but its up to the user if it looks good or not. KZ2 was average. KZ3 looks better because theres more stuff happening on the screen.

Honestly thats the only difference I see, plus less blur. Games would look a lot better if they could muster 1080p.

Wow! So your saying its up to all the programmers and developers to determine if a game is going to be optimized or not?:o

Adamantium4k2

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Wow! So your saying its up to all the programmers and developers to determine if a game is going to be optimized or not?:o

mattuk69

Spend time with one thing and you eventually learn to how use it better. Best way to explain it. But notice how the leaps from B to C aren't nearly as much as from A to B. Theres nothing left in consoles to push out.

Besides, it's not like you couldn't get this level of optimization on a PC. Here's a few simple steps that would get you there:

• A single specification for hardware, controlled by Valve. One chipset, one GPU, one CPU, one audio codec, one network controller, all at specified clock rates.
• A lightweight OS, such as a Linux distribution stripped down to just the dependencies for gaming. Port Steam to this OS and make it the shell.
• Games with statically linked drivers, so that the developers can code to a driver version's specific behavior.

There are even some bonuses in this scenario. Just integrate a Trusted Platform Module into this setup, and you've got a decent head-start on reducing piracy and cheating. And, with fewer variables to account for, developers can focus their testing time on gameplay bugs without having to test on multiple configurations. Sounds like a win all around to me.

well no ****.

Console games are optimised to the point of implosion. While pc games rely on the brute force of their power, and games are coded for many different setups. Thus, not as well optimised.

But pc games are far from being poorly optimised.

Mind=Blown

Console games still look good because no PC games take full advantage of the PC hardware available right now. So as devs start to, consoles will begin to show there age. Shogun 2 and The witcher 2 will be among the first to do it.i5750at4Ghz

lol wut? consoles have shown there age since 2007 :)

Crysis was the first to do it :P

and there are many games out now that smoke console games. Pc games don't make the consoles look last gen, or something that drastic, but there's a Huge difference.

Pc games don't make the consoles look last gen, or something that drastic

theuncharted34

Hey to me they do. :P Only really old or low budget indie games (Except Amnesia,) look worse than console games. Sorry but no console except the Wii impress anymore, at least to me they don't. Wii only impresses me for the artsy games they manage to put out and what kind of tech visuals they can do (Like M:OM and SH:SM.) I thought KZ2 looked really good until I really took a hard look at it. Games on consoles these days use too many smoke and mirrors to fool people.

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Pc games don't make the consoles look last gen, or something that drastic

ChubbyGuy40

Hey to me they do. :P Only really old or low budget indie games (Except Amnesia,) look worse than console games. Sorry but no console except the Wii impress anymore, at least to me they don't. Wii only impresses me for the artsy games they manage to put out and what kind of tech visuals they can do (Like M:OM and SH:SM.) I thought KZ2 looked really good until I really took a hard look at it. Games on consoles these days use too many smoke and mirrors to fool people.

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"]Console games still look good because no PC games take full advantage of the PC hardware available right now. So as devs start to, consoles will begin to show there age. Shogun 2 and The witcher 2 will be among the first to do it.theuncharted34

lol wut? consoles have shown there age since 2007 :)

Crysis was the first to do it :P

and there are many games out now that smoke console games. Pc games don't make the consoles look last gen, or something that drastic, but there's a Huge difference.

Uncharted 2 looks easily as good as the top PC games. PC games look like crap compared to the type of hardware they are running on. There are only a handful of games that truly look great (Unmodded) on PC right now.i5750at4Ghz

No it doesn't, then again that depends on who your asking. To me it looks good, not great or fantastic, just great. That happens when the game can't run at 1080p. PC games should be looking better though no doubt. Developers need to let go of DirectX 9 and let it die already.

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

Pc games don't make the consoles look last gen, or something that drastic

ChubbyGuy40

Hey to me they do. :P Only really old or low budget indie games (Except Amnesia,) look worse than console games. Sorry but no console except the Wii impress anymore, at least to me they don't. Wii only impresses me for the artsy games they manage to put out and what kind of tech visuals they can do (Like M:OM and SH:SM.) I thought KZ2 looked really good until I really took a hard look at it. Games on consoles these days use too many smoke and mirrors to fool people.

there's now way in hell they console games look last gen in comparison. ...yet. Crysis 2 is probably going to blow my mind though. :D

I mean, for a pc game to make a console game look last gen, I'll give you an example.

Let's take gears of war for the xbox 360. A pc game that came out prior to that would have had to look better than gears of war. There was no game like that, and it'll be the same thing next gen.

But hey, Pc games pretty much obliterate console games in graphics, (can't wait to play crysis and the stalker games on my new rig:D ) they just can't make them look last gen.

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[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

Pc games don't make the consoles look last gen, or something that drastic

i5750at4Ghz

Hey to me they do. :P Only really old or low budget indie games (Except Amnesia,) look worse than console games. Sorry but no console except the Wii impress anymore, at least to me they don't. Wii only impresses me for the artsy games they manage to put out and what kind of tech visuals they can do (Like M:OM and SH:SM.) I thought KZ2 looked really good until I really took a hard look at it. Games on consoles these days use too many smoke and mirrors to fool people.

nooo. Uncharted 2 looks great, but to play with the big boys it'd need some texture boosts, and run in 1080p and 60fps.

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"][QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

Hey to me they do. :P Only really old or low budget indie games (Except Amnesia,) look worse than console games. Sorry but no console except the Wii impress anymore, at least to me they don't. Wii only impresses me for the artsy games they manage to put out and what kind of tech visuals they can do (Like M:OM and SH:SM.) I thought KZ2 looked really good until I really took a hard look at it. Games on consoles these days use too many smoke and mirrors to fool people.

theuncharted34

nooo. Uncharted 2 looks great, but to play with the big boys it'd need some texture boosts, and run in 1080p and 60fps.

there's now way in hell they console games look last gen in comparison. ...yet. Crysis 2 is probably going to blow my mind though. :D

I mean, for a pc game to make a console game look last gen, I'll give you an example.

Let's take gears of war for the xbox 360. A pc game that came out prior to that would have had to look better than gears of war. There was no game like that, and it'll be the same thing next gen.

But hey, Pc games pretty much obliterate console games in graphics, (can't wait to play crysis and the stalker games on my new rig:D ) they just can't make them look last gen.

theuncharted34

After seeing Metro 2033 maxed out with DX11...I think they do. Did you ever see the console version? Its really bad/nasty. Think its worse than PC low settings. Everyone just expects the "next-gen" to be totally life-like, which is totally wrong. We won't see those real-time visuals for a good 20-30 years.

I never did understand why people claimed GeoW 1 was "graphics king." FEAR and Oblivion looked better and those wern't beaten until Crysis. I'd like to add that Gears 1 looked far better on the PC than the 360.

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[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] Uncharted 2 looks easily as good as the top PC games. PC games look like crap compared to the type of hardware they are running on. There are only a handful of games that truly look great (Unmodded) on PC right now.i5750at4Ghz

nooo. Uncharted 2 looks great, but to play with the big boys it'd need some texture boosts, and run in 1080p and 60fps.

Crysis, Crysis Warhead, Metro 2033, ARMA 2, ARMA 2:OA, Battlefield BC2, Gothic 4, STALKER Clear Sky, STALKER CoP, Mafia 2...I could go on with multiplats or games like Starcraft 2.

UC2, just like KZ2 and GoW3, are good. They just aren't that good.

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

there's now way in hell they console games look last gen in comparison. ...yet. Crysis 2 is probably going to blow my mind though. :D

I mean, for a pc game to make a console game look last gen, I'll give you an example.

Let's take gears of war for the xbox 360. A pc game that came out prior to that would have had to look better than gears of war. There was no game like that, and it'll be the same thing next gen.

But hey, Pc games pretty much obliterate console games in graphics, (can't wait to play crysis and the stalker games on my new rig:D ) they just can't make them look last gen.

ChubbyGuy40

After seeing Metro 2033 maxed out with DX11...I think they do. Did you ever see the console version? Its really bad/nasty. Think its worse than PC low settings. Everyone just expects the "next-gen" to be totally life-like, which is totally wrong. We won't see those real-time visuals for a good 20-30 years.

I never did understand why people claimed GeoW 1 was "graphics king." FEAR and Oblivion looked better and those wern't beaten until Crysis. I'd like to add that Gears 1 looked far better on the PC than the 360.

no.

well, I explained why the pc can't make console games look last gen, but whatever man. Hey, It's no big deal. The pc beats the living crap out of consoles.

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[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] Uncharted 2 looks easily as good as the top PC games. PC games look like crap compared to the type of hardware they are running on. There are only a handful of games that truly look great (Unmodded) on PC right now.i5750at4Ghz

nooo. Uncharted 2 looks great, but to play with the big boys it'd need some texture boosts, and run in 1080p and 60fps.

well, alot of pc multiplats for starters.

no.

well, I explained why the pc can't make console games look last gen, but whatever man. Hey, It's no big deal. The pc beats the living crap out of consoles.

theuncharted34

I can say those looked better with a straight face and stand behind it. Oblivion modded looks good even today. FEAR still looks good too but it showed aged rather quick. Just stating there was never a period were console beat PC visually.

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"][QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

nooo. Uncharted 2 looks great, but to play with the big boys it'd need some texture boosts, and run in 1080p and 60fps.

ChubbyGuy40

Crysis, Crysis Warhead, Metro 2033, ARMA 2, ARMA 2:OA, Battlefield BC2, Gothic 4, STALKER Clear Sky, STALKER CoP, Mafia 2...I could go on with multiplats or games like Starcraft 2.

UC2, just like KZ2 and GoW3, are good. They just aren't that good.

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[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] Name me 10 PC games that look better.i5750at4Ghz

Crysis, Crysis Warhead, Metro 2033, ARMA 2, ARMA 2:OA, Battlefield BC2, Gothic 4, STALKER Clear Sky, STALKER CoP, Mafia 2...I could go on with multiplats or games like Starcraft 2.

UC2, just like KZ2 and GoW3, are good. They just aren't that good.

why is your name i5750at4ghz, but you don't see the differences between console games and pc games graphically?