Consoles "Stealing" Hardcore PC Gamers?

Mark Rein thinks so. Discuss

While the heated (and pointless) console vs. PC argument rages on in Internet forums, even big PC advocates at Epic are picking the couch over the desktop.

"I'm a real fan of the PC, but yes, consoles are definitely stealing a lot of hardcore gamers from the PC," Rein told Guardian Unlimited's Keith Stuart

"When [Activision's] Call of Duty 4 came out, I heard some of our guys sitting around talking about the great game they'd had last night and I'm like, 'Hey guys, what server are you playing on? I'd love to come and join you,' and they said, 'Just send us a friends request.' It was at that point I realized they were all playing it on console. Plus, the sales of the console versions are something like ten times the sales of the PC versions.

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Mark Rein thinks so. Discuss

When Epic VP Mark Rein heard co-workers talking about a Call of Duty 4 match, he asked what server they play on. The answer? "Just send us a friends request."

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Deihmos

meh...PC gaming will always have its place, console gaming will always have its place. world keeps spinning.

Yes, consoles, home of the casual games, is stealing hardcore PC gamers, used to the most hadrcore games known to man.....suuure.Vandalvideo

Gamers are just starting to realize that consoles is where gaming is. PC games are yesterday's news.

Gamers are just starting to realize that consoles is where gaming is. PC games are yesterday's news.

Jandurin

What an ignorant comment to make.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Yes, consoles, home of the casual games, is stealing hardcore PC gamers, used to the most hadrcore games known to man.....suuure.musicalmac

Gamers are just starting to realize that consoles is where gaming is. PC games are yesterday's news.

Jandurin

[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Yes, consoles, home of the casual games, is stealing hardcore PC gamers, used to the most hadrcore games known to man.....suuure.Vandalvideo

Maybe crappy sequels are leading PC gamers astray.BreakingPoint8

This doesn't make a lick of sense considering ALL the sequels on consoles.

And PC has the most AAAE's and AAE's...

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Yes, consoles, home of the casual games, is stealing hardcore PC gamers, used to the most hadrcore games known to man.....suuure.Jandurin

[QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"]Maybe crappy sequels are leading PC gamers astray.DragonfireXZ95

This doesn't make a lick of sense considering ALL the sequels on consoles.

And PC has the most AAAE's and AAE's...

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Yes, consoles, home of the casual games, is stealing hardcore PC gamers, used to the most hadrcore games known to man.....suuure.musicalmac

Wait he says Hardcore fans then mentions Call of Duty 4? What? 380k brick n mortor retail isnt that goodn granted.

He doesnt say the PS3 UT3 outsells PC version , because it doesnt, nor Orange Box, nor Bioshock.

How many modern warfare games are already on the PC? How many online shooters in the past 10 years?

So the FPs genre isnt as popular anymore, big frigging deal.

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[QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"]Maybe crappy sequels are leading PC gamers astray.BreakingPoint8

This doesn't make a lick of sense considering ALL the sequels on consoles.

And PC has the most AAAE's and AAE's...

And your point? UT3 is on all consoles except Wii. You kind of lost your logic along the way.

Comparing an arcade game with redundant gameplay to games like Civ that are constantly evolving is inherently flawed.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Comparing an arcade game with redundant gameplay to games like Civ that are constantly evolving is inherently flawed.Jandurin

Nope, hardcore PC gamers would never switch to the current consoles. We love mods, custom stuff, tweaking, and options to much. Consoles and their games are to simple for us.MIYAMOTOnext007

What is it that makes these PC games so "complex"?

not the mods or tweaking or options. Those are extraneous.

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[QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"]Maybe crappy sequels are leading PC gamers astray.DragonfireXZ95

This doesn't make a lick of sense considering ALL the sequels on consoles.

And PC has the most AAAE's and AAE's...

And your point? UT3 is on all consoles. You kind of lost your logic along the way.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Comparing an arcade game with redundant gameplay to games like Civ that are constantly evolving is inherently flawed.Vandalvideo

Are these games evolving because of player interaction or AI reacting differently to the same situations?

Casual PC gamers maybe. I don't see how they can be taking away hardcore PC gamers. I am a hardcore PC gamer, and own all three consoles as well. The consoles surely have their place, but... I simply don't see how you can compete with...

1. Mods
2. The PC gaming community
3. Ventrillo
4. Allowing your game to evolveover time through patchs.
5. Community based-tournaments and leagues
6. UPGRADEABLE hardware, that lets you choose how powerful you want your system to be

I mean I could just go on and on, but it's pointless. If you are able to go from a PC gamer to a Console-only gamer... you were never "hardcore" to begin with, let alone "mainstream".

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]

[QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"]Maybe crappy sequels are leading PC gamers astray.BreakingPoint8

This doesn't make a lick of sense considering ALL the sequels on consoles.

And PC has the most AAAE's and AAE's...

And your point? UT3 is on all consoles. You kind of lost your logic along the way.

How are they being drawn to console gaming if the sequels are on PC's and consoles? Wouldn't they be just as disgusted with the console version of UT3? How would that make them want to play consoles anymore than they already did?

See, you're not making any sense.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Comparing an arcade game with redundant gameplay to games like Civ that are constantly evolving is inherently flawed.Jandurin

Are these games evolving because of player interaction or AI reacting differently to the same situations?

Both, have you ever played a Civ game? They are different EVERY single time you play.

No matter how hard you try, you will never get the same reaction or situation twice.

Both, have you ever played a Civ game? They are different EVERY single time you play.DragonfireXZ95

I'm just trying to see which part he's specifically referring to, and why this evolved form of existence can't be on consoles.

More dedication = better? Are these games evolving because of player interaction or AI reacting differently to the same situations?Jandurin

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]Both, have you ever played a Civ game? They are different EVERY single time you play.Jandurin

I'm just trying to see which part he's specifically referring to, and why this evolved form of existence can't be on consoles.

Do they make Civ for consoles?

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[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]Both, have you ever played a Civ game? They are different EVERY single time you play.DragonfireXZ95

I'm just trying to see which part he's specifically referring to, and why this evolved form of existence can't be on consoles.

Do they make Civ for consoles?

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]More dedication = better? Are these games evolving because of player interaction or AI reacting differently to the same situations?Vandalvideo

Mark Rein thinks so. Discuss

While the heated (and pointless) console vs. PC argument rages on in Internet forums, even big PC advocates at Epic are picking the couch over the desktop.

"I'm a real fan of the PC, but yes, consoles are definitely stealing a lot of hardcore gamers from the PC," Rein told Guardian Unlimited's Keith Stuart

"When [Activision's] Call of Duty 4 came out, I heard some of our guys sitting around talking about the great game they'd had last night and I'm like, 'Hey guys, what server are you playing on? I'd love to come and join you,' and they said, 'Just send us a friends request.' It was at that point I realized they were all playing it on console. Plus, the sales of the console versions are something like ten times the sales of the PC versions.

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Deihmos

[QUOTE="MIYAMOTOnext007"]Nope, hardcore PC gamers would never switch to the current consoles. We love mods, custom stuff, tweaking, and options to much. Consoles and their games are to simple for us.Jandurin

What is it that makes these PC games so "complex"?

not the mods or tweaking or options. Those are extraneous.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]More dedication = better? Are these games evolving because of player interaction or AI reacting differently to the same situations?Jandurin

Do they make Civ for consoles?DragonfireXZ95

Are you saying the only hardcore game is Civilization?

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]More dedication = better? Are these games evolving because of player interaction or AI reacting differently to the same situations?Jandurin

Hardcore is determined by how much people put into their particular hobby of interest. Thats where the words casual and hardcore are derived from. A casual person casually plays. IE, doesn't spend hours upon hours playing. A hardcore person plays much longer, extended time periods.Vandalvideo

If one was dedicated to PC gaming, it seems rather unlikely that he'd up and give it up overnight.

I always get irritated when people start throwing around casual and hardcore. I really think we'd all get along better if we just understood each other as gamers, and not having ranks decided by how long or how good or whatever.

But, perhaps that's because I've become more casual in my older days.

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]Do they make Civ for consoles?Jandurin

Are you saying the only hardcore game is Civilization?

No, it was an honest question, because I didn't know if they did or not. :P

And you were wrong, they haven't made a civ for consoles yet, but they are working on one. I just checked it out.

Also, then, does this mean no console gamer is hardcore?Jandurin

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[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]Do they make Civ for consoles?DragonfireXZ95

Are you saying the only hardcore game is Civilization?

No, it was an honest question, because I didn't know if they did or not. :P

And you were wrong, they haven't made a civ for consoles yet, but they are working on one. I just checked it out.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]Also, then, does this mean no console gamer is hardcore?Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]Also, then, does this mean no console gamer is hardcore?Vandalvideo

Anyone who's played an MMORPG knows how hardcore PC gamers get...

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]Also, then, does this mean no console gamer is hardcore?Jandurin

Also, then, does this mean no console gamer is hardcore?Jandurin

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]Do they make Civ for consoles?Jandurin

Are you saying the only hardcore game is Civilization?

No, it was an honest question, because I didn't know if they did or not. :P

And you were wrong, they haven't made a civ for consoles yet, but they are working on one. I just checked it out.

Well technically they do, but they haven't actually had any game out on consoles yet, and this is their first game. So I guess it's a twist of words.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]Also, then, does this mean no console gamer is hardcore?Jandurin

Title is VERY misleading. There is a big difference between the term "Stealing Hardcore PC gamers" and "stealing Hardcore gamers from the PC"

Oh is it me or are FPS devs the only ones complaining about PC gaming dieing? Even Chris Taylor kept his mouth shut when SupCom did poorly.