Consoles "Stealing" Hardcore PC Gamers?

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]Also, then, does this mean no console gamer is hardcore?Aljosa23

I find it hilarious that they can ridicule people for not having an unhealthy obsession with games

Because the console just brainwashes you and wipes your memories of PC gaming?

PC gamers go to the consoles if they think that's where the games are.

That's hardly stealing.

I hate PC vs console discussions.
All it is is a bunch of elitist snobs rubbing their opinions into other people's faces.

Because the console just brainwashes you and wipes your memories of PC gaming?

PC gamers go to the consoles if they think that's where the games are.

That's hardly stealing.

I hate PC vs console discussions.
All it is is a bunch of elitist snobs rubbing their opinions into other people's faces.

-TheSecondSign-

Nice, way to generalize.

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]Also, then, does this mean no console gamer is hardcore?flowdee79

I find it hilarious that they can ridicule people for not having an unhealthy obsession with games

[QUOTE="-TheSecondSign-"]

Because the console just brainwashes you and wipes your memories of PC gaming?

PC gamers go to the consoles if they think that's where the games are.

That's hardly stealing.

I hate PC vs console discussions.
All it is is a bunch of elitist snobs rubbing their opinions into other people's faces.

DragonfireXZ95

Nice, way to generalize.

Thank you. I don't really care if that was generalizing, out of the 5000 debates I've seen of this, all it ever is are people yelling at eachother.

I think many PC Gamers also play console games as well. Doesn't mean there are less Hardcore PC gamers.

A casual conversation with Rein and a few employees is now a concern? lol OP

mismajor99

You know the funny part of it all? Nobody seems to care about UT3, not even their own employees :P

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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]Also, then, does this mean no console gamer is hardcore?Aljosa23

I find it hilarious that they can ridicule people for not having an unhealthy obsession with games

I know what you mean. My experiences with MMORPGs, albeit freeware, were filled with immature morons throwing insults.

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="-TheSecondSign-"]

Because the console just brainwashes you and wipes your memories of PC gaming?

PC gamers go to the consoles if they think that's where the games are.

That's hardly stealing.

I hate PC vs console discussions.
All it is is a bunch of elitist snobs rubbing their opinions into other people's faces.

-TheSecondSign-

Nice, way to generalize.

Thank you. I don't really care if that was generalizing, out of the 5000 debates I've seen of this, all it ever is are people yelling at eachother.

I wouldn't consider it yelling. More like discussing and debating. Some arguing is thrown in there, but I don't see people using caps every sentence. lol

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"][QUOTE="flowdee79"]

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]Also, then, does this mean no console gamer is hardcore?flowdee79

I find it hilarious that they can ridicule people for not having an unhealthy obsession with games

I know what you mean. My experiences with MMORPGs, albeit freeware, were filled with immature morons throwing insults.

That's the community, not the game. The community is one of the reasons I quit WoW, too many idiots and big headed dolts trying to satisfy their e-peen.

That being said, there is no such thing as a hardcore game(maybe more advanced, or more in depth), only hardcore players.

I just prefer mouse/keyboard controls i was once a console gamer back in the PS1 days(all the way back to the atari 2600 days) but once i got my first PC (wasnt even decent for games so i was playing old school games from around 95 in 2000) i was hooked and a few months later i sold that PoS and built my first gaming PC (with a little help :P). If there are games that play better on controllers i can just plug one in but i lost interest in fighters and beat em ups a while back and FPS's RTS and most RPGs play aswell or better with mouse/kb. I am thinking of grabing a PS3 as a bluray player with the added bonus of some games i wont see on PC but i think ill wait till the next price drop (pc needs upgrading again lol)

[QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]

[QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"]Maybe crappy sequels are leading PC gamers astray.DragonfireXZ95

This doesn't make a lick of sense considering ALL the sequels on consoles.

And PC has the most AAAE's and AAE's...

And your point? UT3 is on all consoles. You kind of lost your logic along the way.

How are they being drawn to console gaming if the sequels are on PC's and consoles? Wouldn't they be just as disgusted with the console version of UT3? How would that make them want to play consoles anymore than they already did?

See, you're not making any sense.

Console is cheaper and there are enough shooters on console to satisfy many shooter fans. I personally find Stalker and Crysis to be the best of 07.

Yes, consoles, home of the casual games, is stealing hardcore PC gamers, used to the most hadrcore games known to man.....suuure.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Yes, consoles, home of the casual games, is stealing hardcore PC gamers, used to the most hadrcore games known to man.....suuure.lowe0

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Yes, consoles, home of the casual games, is stealing hardcore PC gamers, used to the most hadrcore games known to man.....suuure.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Yes, consoles, home of the casual games, is stealing hardcore PC gamers, used to the most hadrcore games known to man.....suuure.Vandalvideo

I was playing PC games back when you had to have your SET BLASTER statement memorized just to install a game (still have it memorized, actually: SET BLASTER A220 I5 D1). Don't pretend you know the first thing about me.

Started back in the day with Wolf3D and Doom. I'm such a Doom fan that I even enjoyed Doom 3 - apparently, a rare feat.

Played untold hours of Duke3D, Descent, Magic Carpet, MechWarrior 2 and Interstate '76. Followed the Mech license after Microprose took it over, and then as MS bought it and let it die on the vine.

Fondly remember System Shock ("pppanting and sweating... as you run through my corridors") and its sequel.

Half-Life is my favorite game of all time - Surface Tension, with that Osprey, is a total classic.

Thief? Wish I still had my copy; my ex lost it (still have Thief II on a PC Gamer disc where they gave away free games).

I survived the awful cheesy dialogue of both Max Payne and its sequel. And loved every second of it.

I was a huge fan of both Dark Forces and Jedi Knight, back when LucasArts made good games out of Star Wars. X-Wing? TIE Fighter? Oh yeah - anyone remember analog joysticks, back when you had to calibrate them all the time?

Quake, Quake II, and Quake III Arena are all still installed on my MacBook, with every expansion.

Played Need for Speed, BEFORE IT SUCKED. Anyone else here even remember that far back? )

In college, I played countless deathmatches of Action Quake (yeah, we didn't even have CounterStrike back then) and later, Unreal Tournament (I can close my eyes and navigate AS-Overlord).

Never really got into BF2 (every match on Karkand turned into a nadespamfest), but 2142 was a blast.

And yeah, I've played the newer stuff, too - Half-Life 2, Far Cry... I even bought Crysis, but since I spend my money on consoles now, my PC has fallen too far by the wayside to make it worth it, and I just don't see the point in upgrading for one or two games when everything else I want is on 360 and PS3. The only PC games I'm really still into are the classics I listed in DOSBox, and the stuff from Introversion (DEFCON), which I can get on my Mac.

So, where's your gaming history? I'm guessing it doesn't go back as far as mine.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Yes, consoles, home of the casual games, is stealing hardcore PC gamers, used to the most hadrcore games known to man.....suuure.lowe0

I was playing PC games back when you had to have your SET BLASTER statement memorized just to install a game (still have it memorized, actually: SET BLASTER A220 I5 D1). Don't pretend you know the first thing about me.

Started back in the day with Wolf3D and Doom. I'm such a Doom fan that I even enjoyed Doom 3 - apparently, a rare feat.

Played untold hours of Duke3D, Descent, Magic Carpet, MechWarrior 2 and Interstate '76.

Fondly remember System Shock ("pppanting and sweating... as you run through my corridors") and its sequel.

Half-Life is my favorite game of all time - Surface Tension, with that Osprey, is a total classic.

Thief? Wish I still had my copy; my ex lost it (still have Thief II on a PC Gamer disc where they gave away free games).

I was a huge fan of both Dark Forces and Jedi Knight, back when LucasArts made good games out of Star Wars. X-Wing? TIE Fighter? Oh yeah - anyone remember analog joysticks, back when you had to calibrate them all the time?

Quake, Quake II, and Quake III Arena are all still installed on my MacBook, with every expansion.

Played Need for Speed, BEFORE IT SUCKED. Anyone else here even remember that far back? )

In college, I played countless deathmatches of Action Quake (yeah, we didn't even have CounterStrike back then) and later, Unreal Tournament (I can close my eyes and navigate AS-Overlord).

And yeah, I've played the newer stuff, too - Half-Life 2, Far Cry... I even bought Crysis, but since I spend my money on consoles now, my PC has fallen too far by the wayside to make it worth it, and I just don't see the point in upgrading for one or two games when everything else I want is on 360 and PS3.

So, where's your gaming history? I'm guessing it doesn't go back as far as mine.

I was a console gamer back then with Mario on the NES, now i'm a pc gamer... it goes both ways I suppose.

I was a console gamer back then with Mario on the NES, now i'm a pc gamer... it goes both ways I suppose.

Bebi_vegeta

I actually got started with Mario, but that's back when I was 7 or 8. I played the NES and SNES up until I was about 12, and then transitioned to the PC.

So, where's your gaming history? I'm guessing it doesn't go back as far as mine.lowe0

Console is cheaper and there are enough shooters on console to satisfy many shooter fans. I personally find Stalker and Crysis to be the best of 07.

Cranler

But if they are hardcore PC gamers and they already have up to snuff computers, then why would they just automatically switch to consoles?

[QUOTE="lowe0"]So, where's your gaming history? I'm guessing it doesn't go back as far as mine.Vandalvideo

Awwww... someone's calling me out didn't go the way they imagined it, now did it? It's so cute.

If you have proof that I'm lying, let's see it. Otherwise, you're full of it. I've posted just a few of the games I've played, talked about my favorite parts, even posted my Steam account name (Lowe0). Either prove that I'm lying, or shut up.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="lowe0"]So, where's your gaming history? I'm guessing it doesn't go back as far as mine.lowe0

The sheer fact that you're so keen on trying to prove that you used to be a PC gamer leads me to believe you're merely doing this to try and have an exception to the rule.Vandalvideo

That, and it's amusing to have your post saying I'm not a gamer followed by a description of 15 years of gaming history. Proving that you're wrong is just plain fun.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]The sheer fact that you're so keen on trying to prove that you used to be a PC gamer leads me to believe you're merely doing this to try and have an exception to the rule.lowe0

That, and it's amusing to have your post saying I'm not a gamer followed by a description of 15 years of gaming history. Proving that you're wrong is just plain fun.

Hey even I can make false claims and pretend that I was something I'm not. I mean, for someone who used to "be a software developer for a financial firm" he sure does seem to know relatively little about PC.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Hey even I can make false claims and pretend that I was something I'm not. I mean, for someone who used to "be a software developer for a financial firm" he sure does seem to know relatively little about PC.lowe0

I used to be a hardcore PC gamer, I remember always being tired because I stayed up all night playing MMOs with my friends. But now I play console (Xbox360/PS2) because my computer is to dated to handle the current PC games... And I would honestly prefer to be a PC gamer, but can't offord the cost of it.Rayk3400

Hey, whatever you want your story to be, but I place very little faith in a career PC basher with so many misconceptions.Vandalvideo

There, happy? One degree in Computer Technology, focusing on software development. Feel free to call the Registrar if you really don't believe it.

And no, I'm not going to say which company I work at. Think of ten financial companies; it's on that list. Most of what I do involves writing software in C# and PL/SQL to analyze call flows and predict patterns, determine staffing levels, that sort of thing. It's incredibly boring, but it pays well and I work with (and for) good people.

[QUOTE="Rayk3400"]I used to be a hardcore PC gamer, I remember always being tired because I stayed up all night playing MMOs with my friends. But now I play console (Xbox360/PS2) because my computer is to dated to handle the current PC games... And I would honestly prefer to be a PC gamer, but can't offord the cost of it.Vandalvideo

Your saying that I'm lieing about what happened to me? Consoles are about half the price of a good computer and are up-to-date for about 4 years< computers are completly up-to-date for about 2 years Mabye your talking about how PC gamers only requireing a few MMO's to consume massive amounts of time and console gamers need to buy 60$ games monthly to fufill their needs, but thats not me, I rarely buy 60$ games, only if I know for sure that I will like them, includeing reasearching information beforeI buy. your not lazy

Your saying that I'm lieing about what happened to me?

Rayk3400

Your saying that I'm lieing about what happened to me? Consoles are about half the price of a good computer and are up-to-date for about 4 years computers are completly up-to-date for about 2 years Mabye your talking about how PC gamers only requireing a few MMO's to consume massive amounts of time and console gamers need to buy 60$ games monthly to fufill their needs, but thats not me, I rarely buy 60$ games, only if I know for sure that I will like them, includeing reasearching information beforeI buy. your not lazyRayk3400

[QUOTE="Rayk3400"]Your saying that I'm lieing about what happened to me? Consoles are about half the price of a good computer and are up-to-date for about 4 years computers are completly up-to-date for about 2 years Mabye your talking about how PC gamers only requireing a few MMO's to consume massive amounts of time and console gamers need to buy 60$ games monthly to fufill their needs, but thats not me, I rarely buy 60$ games, only if I know for sure that I will like them, includeing reasearching information beforeI buy. your not lazyVandalvideo

So a good computer is about 450$? Where? Games on the PC are 10$ less than the 360, I woulden't really concider that "much less".

So a good computer is about 450$? Where? Games on the PC are 10$ less than the 360, I woulden't really concider that "much less". Rayk3400

[QUOTE="Rayk3400"]So a good computer is about 450$? Where? Games on the PC are 10$ less than the 360, I woulden't really concider that "much less". Vandalvideo

Yes, if you're one of the people that wants every accessory and popular game for the 360 it comes to a lot more than the PC. Bu the same thing goes for the PC, it has plenty, if not more of the extra stuff. I'm personally not one of those people who would buy Halo3 or the new wireless headset just because they are "cool" so that isn't an issue for me. The 360 Premium is about 350$, I not able to find good computer that is 450$, otherwise I would have gotten a PC instead of a 360.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Rayk3400"]So a good computer is about 450$? Where? Games on the PC are 10$ less than the 360, I woulden't really concider that "much less". Rayk3400

Yes, if you're one of the people that wants every accessory and popular game for the 360 it comes to a lot more than the PC. Bu the same thing goes for the PC, it has plenty, if not more of the extra stuff. I'm personally not one of those people who would buy Halo3 or the new wireless headset just because they are "cool" so that isn't an issue for me. The 360 Premium is about 350$, I not able to find good computer that is 450$, otherwise I would have gotten a PC instead of a 360.

[QUOTE="Rayk3400"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Rayk3400"]So a good computer is about 450$? Where? Games on the PC are 10$ less than the 360, I woulden't really concider that "much less". Vandalvideo

Yes, if you're one of the people that wants every accessory and popular game for the 360 it comes to a lot more than the PC. Bu the same thing goes for the PC, it has plenty, if not more of the extra stuff. I'm personally not one of those people who would buy Halo3 or the new wireless headset just because they are "cool" so that isn't an issue for me. The 360 Premium is about 350$, I not able to find good computer that is 450$, otherwise I would have gotten a PC instead of a 360.

Perhaps, It all depends on the person. PC's aren't close to the price of a premium 360. A good PC is about 700$-1000$ when the 360 premium is 350$, thats my point.

Several factors played together here:

- quality of PC games was geting downhill since 2000 and now they are not even weak shadow of 90-th

- MS console oriented to hardcore gamers got into full force with second generation

- devs switched to consoles and multiplats cause they need money

Several factors played together here:

- quality of PC games was geting downhill since 2000 and now they are not even weak shadow of 90-th

- MS console oriented to hardcore gamers got into full force with second generation

- devs switched to consoles and multiplats cause they need money

goddamn_

They don't need money, they just want more.

The reason is simple.

Consoles are easier to use than PCs for games.

when you buy an xbox game, you put it in and play the game to the systems full potential instantly.

On PC, you have to upgrade your video card, install the game on your HD, register the security code online, sometimes you have to play the game using administrators accout leaving your PC vulnerable to attack. I find PC games freeze more. Sound cuts in and out all the time.

PC gamers will argue many of those points with me. But the big picture is that PC gaming is getting too complicated for the average Joe.

The reason is simple.

Consoles are easier to use than PCs for games.

when you buy an xbox game, you put it in and play the game to the systems full potential instantly.

On PC, you have to upgrade your video card, install the game on your HD, register the security code online, sometimes you have to play the game using administrators accout leaving your PC vulnerable to attack. I find PC games freeze more. Sound cuts in and out all the time.

PC gamers will argue many of those points with me. But the big picture is that PC gaming is getting too complicated for the average Joe.

carl2tan

Consoles are becoming more and more like PCs every new generation.

[QUOTE="carl2tan"]

The reason is simple.

Consoles are easier to use than PCs for games.

when you buy an xbox game, you put it in and play the game to the systems full potential instantly.

On PC, you have to upgrade your video card, install the game on your HD, register the security code online, sometimes you have to play the game using administrators accout leaving your PC vulnerable to attack. I find PC games freeze more. Sound cuts in and out all the time.

PC gamers will argue many of those points with me. But the big picture is that PC gaming is getting too complicated for the average Joe.

Bebi_vegeta

Consoles are becoming more and more like PCs every new generation.

Mark Rein thinks so. Discuss

While the heated (and pointless) console vs. PC argument rages on in Internet forums, even big PC advocates at Epic are picking the couch over the desktop.

"I'm a real fan of the PC, but yes, consoles are definitely stealing a lot of hardcore gamers from the PC," Rein told Guardian Unlimited's Keith Stuart

"When [Activision's] Call of Duty 4 came out, I heard some of our guys sitting around talking about the great game they'd had last night and I'm like, 'Hey guys, what server are you playing on? I'd love to come and join you,' and they said, 'Just send us a friends request.' It was at that point I realized they were all playing it on console. Plus, the sales of the console versions are something like ten times the sales of the PC versions.

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Deihmos

lol ???

Stealing hardcore gamers from PC??? loooool :D

Maybe he means US region,because in Europe isnt like that at all. Most of us playing with PCs. What hes talking about?