Consoles "Stealing" Hardcore PC Gamers?

I would never classify any game on a console, or any console only gamer as hardcore.Subcritical

Go to play Forza 2 and Ninja Gaiden instead all this stupid RTS

[QUOTE="killab2oo5"]]:roll: Ofcourse ofcourse...forgot it's always by YOUR rules. -.-' The PC has way more casual games than consoles,the PC has a ton of casual players. Thats what the arguements about,which is home to more casual games...consoles or pc. Obviously,the PC.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="killab2oo5"]]:roll: Ofcourse ofcourse...forgot it's always by YOUR rules. -.-' The PC has way more casual games than consoles,the PC has a ton of casual players. Thats what the arguements about,which is home to more casual games...consoles or pc. Obviously,the PC.killab2oo5

Mark Rein thinks so. Discuss

While the heated (and pointless) console vs. PC argument rages on in Internet forums, even big PC advocates at Epic are picking the couch over the desktop.

"I'm a real fan of the PC, but yes, consoles are definitely stealing a lot of hardcore gamers from the PC," Rein told Guardian Unlimited's Keith Stuart

"When [Activision's] Call of Duty 4 came out, I heard some of our guys sitting around talking about the great game they'd had last night and I'm like, 'Hey guys, what server are you playing on? I'd love to come and join you,' and they said, 'Just send us a friends request.' It was at that point I realized they were all playing it on console. Plus, the sales of the console versions are something like ten times the sales of the PC versions.

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Deihmos

Why do you think Crytek is bringing their CryEngine 2 and Far Cry 2 to game consoles? Hermits think that just because some consoles don't have keyboard & mouse controls, that FPS can't be fun and exciting on game consoles. It can and the huge number of COD4 sales on the PS3 and XBox 360 proves this to be true.

[QUOTE="killab2oo5"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="killab2oo5"]]:roll: Ofcourse ofcourse...forgot it's always by YOUR rules. -.-' The PC has way more casual games than consoles,the PC has a ton of casual players. Thats what the arguements about,which is home to more casual games...consoles or pc. Obviously,the PC.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Yes, consoles, home of the casual games, is stealing hardcore PC gamers, used to the most hadrcore games known to man.....suuure.anshul89

That really depends on the person. There are a lot of rich celebraties that would rather play Madden on a game console, then on a PC. I don't remember seeing too many Madden tournaments hosted on the PC. As I've said in the past, having the best hardware, graphics or even library of games doesn't necessarily mean it's the best platform to play your games on.

[QUOTE="anshul89"][QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Yes, consoles, home of the casual games, is stealing hardcore PC gamers, used to the most hadrcore games known to man.....suuure.XanderZane

That really depends on the person. There are a lot of rich celebraties that would rather play Madden on a game console, then on a PC. I don't remember seeing too many Madden tournaments hosted on the PC. As I've said in the past, having the best hardware, graphics or even library of games doesn't necessarily mean it's the best platform to play your games on.

1#. I hate Madden.

2#. Thats because a game like Madden can't be play well on a PC unless you have some kind of controller attachment, and whats the point of wasting cash when you have a console sitting right there. But thats because its a sports game.

I find console gamers sometimes sad because there is no mods for them.:cry:

So when they get bored they buy a new game. PC Gamers actually takes forever to buy new games unless their is a really cool game coming out. With mods it makes online fun :D So they won't get bored.

Why do you think Crytek is bringing their CryEngine 2 and Far Cry 2 to game consoles? Hermits think that just because some consoles don't have keyboard & mouse controls, that FPS can't be fun and exciting on game consoles. It can and the huge number of COD4 sales on the PS3 and XBox 360 proves this to be true.

XanderZane

Correction: Ubisoft Montreal is developing Far Cry 2, not Crytek, who developed the original Far Cry and Crysis.
I agree with your statement that FPS games can be done well on consoles (I played a ton of TimeSplitters and Red Faction); however, I personally find them a little annoying to play at times because of the analog sticks, but that may be due to me coming from a PC gaming background where fast reactions and pin-point accuracy are essential.

[QUOTE="Deihmos"]

Mark Rein thinks so. Discuss

While the heated (and pointless) console vs. PC argument rages on in Internet forums, even big PC advocates at Epic are picking the couch over the desktop.

"I'm a real fan of the PC, but yes, consoles are definitely stealing a lot of hardcore gamers from the PC," Rein told Guardian Unlimited's Keith Stuart

"When [Activision's] Call of Duty 4 came out, I heard some of our guys sitting around talking about the great game they'd had last night and I'm like, 'Hey guys, what server are you playing on? I'd love to come and join you,' and they said, 'Just send us a friends request.' It was at that point I realized they were all playing it on console. Plus, the sales of the console versions are something like ten times the sales of the PC versions.

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XanderZane

Why do you think Crytek is bringing their CryEngine 2 and Far Cry 2 to game consoles? Hermits think that just because some consoles don't have keyboard & mouse controls, that FPS can't be fun and exciting on game consoles. It can and the huge number of COD4 sales on the PS3 and XBox 360 proves this to be true.

We never said it can't be fun on consoles. We just said that it's more fun on PC, but that's preference. :P

And Crytek is not making Far Cry 2, nice try though.

[QUOTE="XanderZane"][QUOTE="Deihmos"]

Mark Rein thinks so. Discuss

While the heated (and pointless) console vs. PC argument rages on in Internet forums, even big PC advocates at Epic are picking the couch over the desktop.

"I'm a real fan of the PC, but yes, consoles are definitely stealing a lot of hardcore gamers from the PC," Rein told Guardian Unlimited's Keith Stuart

"When [Activision's] Call of Duty 4 came out, I heard some of our guys sitting around talking about the great game they'd had last night and I'm like, 'Hey guys, what server are you playing on? I'd love to come and join you,' and they said, 'Just send us a friends request.' It was at that point I realized they were all playing it on console. Plus, the sales of the console versions are something like ten times the sales of the PC versions.

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DragonfireXZ95

Why do you think Crytek is bringing their CryEngine 2 and Far Cry 2 to game consoles? Hermits think that just because some consoles don't have keyboard & mouse controls, that FPS can't be fun and exciting on game consoles. It can and the huge number of COD4 sales on the PS3 and XBox 360 proves this to be true.

We never said it can't be fun on consoles. We just said that it's more fun on PC, but that's preference. :P

And Crytek is not making Far Cry 2, nice try though.

Its your opinion( and mines) that Far Cry is better on PC. So it doesn't matter.

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="XanderZane"][QUOTE="Deihmos"]

Mark Rein thinks so. Discuss

While the heated (and pointless) console vs. PC argument rages on in Internet forums, even big PC advocates at Epic are picking the couch over the desktop.

"I'm a real fan of the PC, but yes, consoles are definitely stealing a lot of hardcore gamers from the PC," Rein told Guardian Unlimited's Keith Stuart

"When [Activision's] Call of Duty 4 came out, I heard some of our guys sitting around talking about the great game they'd had last night and I'm like, 'Hey guys, what server are you playing on? I'd love to come and join you,' and they said, 'Just send us a friends request.' It was at that point I realized they were all playing it on console. Plus, the sales of the console versions are something like ten times the sales of the PC versions.

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DarxPhil

Why do you think Crytek is bringing their CryEngine 2 and Far Cry 2 to game consoles? Hermits think that just because some consoles don't have keyboard & mouse controls, that FPS can't be fun and exciting on game consoles. It can and the huge number of COD4 sales on the PS3 and XBox 360 proves this to be true.

We never said it can't be fun on consoles. We just said that it's more fun on PC, but that's preference. :P

And Crytek is not making Far Cry 2, nice try though.

Its your opinion( and mines) that Far Cry is better on PC. So it doesn't matter.

Are you replying to the person above me? Because I agree with you.. lol

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="killab2oo5"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Yes, consoles, home of the casual games, is stealing hardcore PC gamers, used to the most hadrcore games known to man.....suuure.killab2oo5

Comparing flash games to comercial releases? Um, what the hell?

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Steppy_76"]The PC can NOT provide the experience for the same amount of money, which I specifically addressed in my post. NOWHERE did I say the PC can't replicate the experience at all. I also never tried to say MY opinion was universal, and I believe used the phrase "to me" more than once. The PC can not provide the same experience at the same pricepoint for ME. I PREFER THE CONSOLE EXPERIENCE, that is not spewing crap, that is my opinion. Sure if I spend more money I can replicate things, but like I said IN MY OPINION the benefits are not worth the extra money or hassle. Is it that hard to understand? Steppy_76

To ME, the slight edge in visuals and the like is NOT worth the extra money, and hassle it takes to replicate the same experience I can already get simply by buying a console in the first place. Back in the days of SDTV, PC gaming's advantages TO ME were worth the extra money and effort...now TO ME it is not. The "edge" you speak of to me isn't worth 300 dollars...plain and simple.

Well..to me and most PC gamers consoles can't offer the same experience for smaller money. Sure...they are cheaper, but so what? I don't intend to have them just sit and gather dust, I intend to play on them. And with console games costing 30$ more than PC ones here in Europe consoles at very best are as expensive, in msot cases much more expesive than PCgaming. THe only way console gaming woullld be less expensive is if I hardly played at all, which kind of defeats the purpose

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Yes, consoles, home of the casual games, is stealing hardcore PC gamers, used to the most hadrcore games known to man.....suuure.killab2oo5

PCgaming is preety diffrent. It has both gamez/gamers that are more casual than anything on consoles as well as games/gamers more hardcore than anything from console market

[QUOTE="Steppy_76"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Steppy_76"]The PC can NOT provide the experience for the same amount of money, which I specifically addressed in my post. NOWHERE did I say the PC can't replicate the experience at all. I also never tried to say MY opinion was universal, and I believe used the phrase "to me" more than once. The PC can not provide the same experience at the same pricepoint for ME. I PREFER THE CONSOLE EXPERIENCE, that is not spewing crap, that is my opinion. Sure if I spend more money I can replicate things, but like I said IN MY OPINION the benefits are not worth the extra money or hassle. Is it that hard to understand? AdrianWerner

To ME, the slight edge in visuals and the like is NOT worth the extra money, and hassle it takes to replicate the same experience I can already get simply by buying a console in the first place. Back in the days of SDTV, PC gaming's advantages TO ME were worth the extra money and effort...now TO ME it is not. The "edge" you speak of to me isn't worth 300 dollars...plain and simple.

Well..to me and most PC gamers consoles can't offer the same experience for smaller money. Sure...they are cheaper, but so what? I don't intend to have them just sit and gather dust, I intend to play on them. And with console games costing 30$ more than PC ones here in Europe consoles at very best are as expensive, in msot cases much more expesive than PCgaming. THe only way console gaming woullld be less expensive is if I hardly played at all, which kind of defeats the purpose

Not to mention that the Europeans get shafted for consoles by much later release dates than the US and Japan.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]They don't need money, they just want more. goddamn_

Looking Glass, Sirtech, UFO creators and many others did need money. That's why they closed the doors and nobody will play new Thief, UFO, Jagged Alience, Wizardry and so on

Actualy LGS, Microprose and SirTech were all closed down due to failed investments and canceled games, not their actual released games selling badly. Jagged Alliance2 and Thief 1 and 2 were big financial suceseses and were the only reason why LGS and SirTech didn't go bancrupt years before. Oh...and there is Jagged Alliance 3 in development right now and some SirTech guys are acting as advisors on it.

[QUOTE="the_ChEeSe_mAn2"]Sometimes, Mark Rein says smart things, but other times, its like he is talking out of his a$$. I have been a harcore pc gamer now for almost 11 years and never once have I considered becoming a console gamer. I certainly tried, but I cannot stand playing on a controller. I make exceptions to playing with friends on consoles but I don't see myself owning one any time soon.Steppy_76

I doubt you were hardcore pcgamer. If the only thing you'veplayed are casual FPSes on PC.

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"][QUOTE="Steppy_76"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Steppy_76"]The PC can NOT provide the experience for the same amount of money, which I specifically addressed in my post. NOWHERE did I say the PC can't replicate the experience at all. I also never tried to say MY opinion was universal, and I believe used the phrase "to me" more than once. The PC can not provide the same experience at the same pricepoint for ME. I PREFER THE CONSOLE EXPERIENCE, that is not spewing crap, that is my opinion. Sure if I spend more money I can replicate things, but like I said IN MY OPINION the benefits are not worth the extra money or hassle. Is it that hard to understand? wok7

To ME, the slight edge in visuals and the like is NOT worth the extra money, and hassle it takes to replicate the same experience I can already get simply by buying a console in the first place. Back in the days of SDTV, PC gaming's advantages TO ME were worth the extra money and effort...now TO ME it is not. The "edge" you speak of to me isn't worth 300 dollars...plain and simple.

Well..to me and most PC gamers consoles can't offer the same experience for smaller money. Sure...they are cheaper, but so what? I don't intend to have them just sit and gather dust, I intend to play on them. And with console games costing 30$ more than PC ones here in Europe consoles at very best are as expensive, in msot cases much more expesive than PCgaming. THe only way console gaming woullld be less expensive is if I hardly played at all, which kind of defeats the purpose

Not to mention that the Europeans get shafted for consoles by much later release dates than the US and Japan.

It's the same with PCgaming, US gamers are getting more and more shafted each year by much later release dates than Europe. It's getting quite common to see PCgame being released in Europe 6-12 months before US debut

I doubt you were hardcore pcgamer. If the only thing you'veplayed are casual FPSes on PC.

AdrianWerner

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

I doubt you were hardcore pcgamer. If the only thing you'veplayed are casual FPSes on PC.

lowe0

it's true. Either that or he completely changed his gaming taste when moving to consoles. As the hardcore pcgames generaly aren't avaible on consoles. I'm not saying he wasn't a pcgamer, I'm saying he wasn't really a hardcore one.

[QUOTE="Steppy_76"][QUOTE="the_ChEeSe_mAn2"]Sometimes, Mark Rein says smart things, but other times, its like he is talking out of his a$$. I have been a harcore pc gamer now for almost 11 years and never once have I considered becoming a console gamer. I certainly tried, but I cannot stand playing on a controller. I make exceptions to playing with friends on consoles but I don't see myself owning one any time soon.AdrianWerner

I doubt you were hardcore pcgamer. If the only thing you'veplayed are casual FPSes on PC.

Yeah, I guess I don't remember hooking up a couple of 486's(Do you even know what a 486 was?) and using a serial cable to get multiplayer Doom matches. I never played Rise of the Triad, or Shadow Warrior, or Blood, or Duke Nukem 3D, or the Quake series, or Half Life, or Wolfenstein, or Deus Ex...nope never played undying either. Hmm, I must not have been the one to blow 300 bucks on a Rendition Verite 3d Accelerator, or getting my Voodoo 2, or my TNT2 Ultra, nor any of those Radeons I got over the years. The majority of games I played were FPS's, TPS's, flight sims, racers, sports games, action games, RPG's, adventure games(King's Quests, Space Quests, Quest for Glory, Loom, etc)with a few RTS's sprinkled in. Lo and behold there are games on the console to fill most of those needs(with the exception of the adventure games, but those aren't coming out much anymore on the PC either). I started gaming on an Atari 2600, had a commodore 64, then got a nintendo and real PC. I got a Genesis, and after that I was ONLY a PC gamer until I got an Xbox in 2003. I still gamed mostly on the PC, and got an HDTV in early 2004 in anticipation of the new consoles coming. Once I saw HD consoles in action my gaming very quickly switched over to consoles rather than dumping more money into my PC for what TO ME is a marginal improvement over what the console could give me, and I wouldn't be dumping money into the console on a yearly basis like I would and HAD been with my PC. Steppy_76

See..you've lost all those hardcore games and you're still happy, you don't miss them at all.. So as you can see you were not hardcore pcgamer. And no console don't offer equivalent of hardcore games from any of the genre you've named.

There's nothing wrong with that. I don;t know why you're getting so worked up. Just because you weren't hardcore pcgamer doesn't mean you're casual or something.

[QUOTE="DarxPhil"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="XanderZane"][QUOTE="Deihmos"]

Mark Rein thinks so. Discuss

While the heated (and pointless) console vs. PC argument rages on in Internet forums, even big PC advocates at Epic are picking the couch over the desktop.

"I'm a real fan of the PC, but yes, consoles are definitely stealing a lot of hardcore gamers from the PC," Rein told Guardian Unlimited's Keith Stuart

"When [Activision's] Call of Duty 4 came out, I heard some of our guys sitting around talking about the great game they'd had last night and I'm like, 'Hey guys, what server are you playing on? I'd love to come and join you,' and they said, 'Just send us a friends request.' It was at that point I realized they were all playing it on console. Plus, the sales of the console versions are something like ten times the sales of the PC versions.

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DragonfireXZ95

Why do you think Crytek is bringing their CryEngine 2 and Far Cry 2 to game consoles? Hermits think that just because some consoles don't have keyboard & mouse controls, that FPS can't be fun and exciting on game consoles. It can and the huge number of COD4 sales on the PS3 and XBox 360 proves this to be true.

We never said it can't be fun on consoles. We just said that it's more fun on PC, but that's preference. :P

And Crytek is not making Far Cry 2, nice try though.

Its your opinion( and mines) that Far Cry is better on PC. So it doesn't matter.

Are you replying to the person above me? Because I agree with you.. lol

Yep.

[QUOTE="killab2oo5"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="killab2oo5"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Yes, consoles, home of the casual games, is stealing hardcore PC gamers, used to the most hadrcore games known to man.....suuure.RKfromDownunder

Comparing flash games to comercial releases? Um, what the hell?