Consoles will always be superior to PC, this is why.

No..........i mean with the same quality and game ****..??U2 and God of War 3 they have own me with the graphics......not many PC games look better than U2 and GoW3......but again ι know that Crysis look a lot better but U2 on my opinion it look a bit more beautiful.AtariKidX

you're talking opinion so that's where i stop.

[QUOTE="Shielder7"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

you're talking opinion so that's where i stop.

CaseyWegner

you need to respond to this.

"would you listen to yourself? you are comparing multiple systems to one system and bragging that multiple systems come out on top. look at the spreadsheet. the pc has more overall high scoring games than any one console. if you look at just exclusives, the pc has more of them than all three consoles combined. the only way to top the pc is to use multiple systems against it. why are you proud of that?"

[QUOTE="lazyathew"]

[QUOTE="Merex760"] Rare exceptions. But the level of innovation on consoles are few and far between compared to PC. No one on console pushes the limits like some of these developers did on PC, until the bean counters tied them all up and threw them on the console wagon. No they're just forced to re-create what they invented on PC for console....over, and over.

Merex760

Weird, cuz last time I checked, BioWare, Infinity Ward, Dice, Bethesda were not acclaimed 360 or PS3 developers, they were acclaimed multiplatform developers.

[QUOTE="Shielder7"] Yes it does when HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray format war came to a close all the HD-DVD fanboys started crying that it didn't matter who won because DD was the way of the future and no one will be buying disks shortly anyway. It's been how long now? Thought So?

You can sit here and argue till the cows come home that DD is the way of the future bla bla bla. Whatever the point is it hasn't taken over yet and until it does it's just speculation and has no weight.

Mograine

What YOU say is speculation and has no weight.

First of all, I'd like you to backup the first paragraph you wrote.

Second, on PC DD sales SURPASS retail sales.

This might have been posted already, but recently a study found that PC gaming(software) topped $13 billion in revenue in 2009, and of that $13 billion, less than 20% came from retail sales. So just on PC we're seeing over $10 billion in *DD(Digital Download)* game sales worldwide every year.

[QUOTE="Merex760"]

[QUOTE="lazyathew"]And do they continue with the same level of innovation? Cuz I know there are some series exlusive to PC that are alike to each othertoo, like the Sims, and Rolor Coaster Tycoon.I'll admit I'm not very familer with PC games, but I just find it hard to believe the PC is so much more innovative then consoles. I'm sure there are plenty of innovative games though, just as I think the consoles are innovative. And they both have series' that recycle the same stuff.

waltefmoney

Weird, cuz last time I checked, BioWare, Infinity Ward, Dice, Bethesda were not acclaimed 360 or PS3 developers, they were acclaimed multiplatform developers.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="AtariKidX"] No..........i mean with the same quality and game ****..??U2 and God of War 3 they have own me with the graphics......not many PC games look better than U2 and GoW3......but again ι know that Crysis look a lot better but U2 on my opinion it look a bit more beautiful.Shielder7

you're talking opinion so that's where i stop.

PC has higher standards for rating, so if a PC game was ratedAA on PC, if that exact same game was on consoles that game would most likely be a higher AA(8.5) or AAA (9.0 or 9.5).

[QUOTE="Merex760"]

[QUOTE="lazyathew"]And do they continue with the same level of innovation? Cuz I know there are some series exlusive to PC that are alike to each othertoo, like the Sims, and Rolor Coaster Tycoon.I'll admit I'm not very familer with PC games, but I just find it hard to believe the PC is so much more innovative then consoles. I'm sure there are plenty of innovative games though, just as I think the consoles are innovative. And they both have series' that recycle the same stuff.

waltefmoney

Weird, cuz last time I checked, BioWare, Infinity Ward, Dice, Bethesda were not acclaimed 360 or PS3 developers, they were acclaimed multiplatform developers.

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

[QUOTE="Merex760"] Go look up some of the most critically acclaimed developers on the 360 and PS3. Look at their history and where they got their start, where they invented the blueprint they've brought to consoles. Bioware, Infinity Ward, Valve, Treyarch, DICE, Bethesda etc.

Iantheone

Weird, cuz last time I checked, BioWare, Infinity Ward, Dice, Bethesda were not acclaimed 360 or PS3 developers, they were acclaimed multiplatform developers.

But they're not acclaimed PS3 or 360 developers, they're not first party. The only first party console developers that I can think of that started on PC are Lionhead and Bungie, and Bungie are no longer first party. That's it. Not to mention Sony and Nintendo who have never used ex-PC developers.

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

[QUOTE="Merex760"] Go look up some of the most critically acclaimed developers on the 360 and PS3. Look at their history and where they got their start, where they invented the blueprint they've brought to consoles. Bioware, Infinity Ward, Valve, Treyarch, DICE, Bethesda etc.

Merex760

Weird, cuz last time I checked, BioWare, Infinity Ward, Dice, Bethesda were not acclaimed 360 or PS3 developers, they were acclaimed multiplatform developers.

[QUOTE="Merex760"]

[QUOTE="lazyathew"]And do they continue with the same level of innovation? Cuz I know there are some series exlusive to PC that are alike to each othertoo, like the Sims, and Rolor Coaster Tycoon.I'll admit I'm not very familer with PC games, but I just find it hard to believe the PC is so much more innovative then consoles. I'm sure there are plenty of innovative games though, just as I think the consoles are innovative. And they both have series' that recycle the same stuff.

waltefmoney

Weird, cuz last time I checked, BioWare, Infinity Ward, Dice, Bethesda were not acclaimed 360 or PS3 developers, they were acclaimed multiplatform developers.

...Nothing in his post says they aren't multiplatform developers. He's just saying those are acclaimed developers on the PS3 and 360 and that they brought something from the PC to Consoles.

Reading comprehension problems FTW.

[QUOTE="Iantheone"][QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

Weird, cuz last time I checked, BioWare, Infinity Ward, Dice, Bethesda were not acclaimed 360 or PS3 developers, they were acclaimed multiplatform developers.

waltefmoney

But they're not acclaimed PS3 or 360 developers, they're not first party. The only first party console developers that I can think of that started on PC are Lionhead and Bungie, and Bungie are no longer first party. That's it. Not to mention Sony and Nintendo who have never used ex-PC developers.

Not to mention Sony and Nintendo who have never used ex-PC developers.

waltefmoney

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

[QUOTE="Merex760"] Go look up some of the most critically acclaimed developers on the 360 and PS3. Look at their history and where they got their start, where they invented the blueprint they've brought to consoles. Bioware, Infinity Ward, Valve, Treyarch, DICE, Bethesda etc.

Merex760

Weird, cuz last time I checked, BioWare, Infinity Ward, Dice, Bethesda were not acclaimed 360 or PS3 developers, they were acclaimed multiplatform developers.

Bungie is no longer an exclusive developer. Zipper, alright. thatgamecompany - independant. Quantic Dream - independent. Epic - intendant.

[QUOTE="Merex760"][QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

Weird, cuz last time I checked, BioWare, Infinity Ward, Dice, Bethesda were not acclaimed 360 or PS3 developers, they were acclaimed multiplatform developers.

Iantheone

I feel like this needs to be said here. It was written by Wasdie yesterday.

"The fact that so many consolites here hate on the PC makes me really lose faith in gaming. You're the real reason why motion controls are taking over, Microsoft can get away with charging more for XBL, and game prices keep going even though variety decrease.

Why do we have Call of Duty number 7 on the way? Simple, console gamers. Console gamers never want anything new, they just want a revison of something that has already been made. Why do we have 13+ Final Fantasies, 4 Halos, 7 Call of Duties, 4 MGS, 4 DMCs, to many Mario games to count... The answer is just the console gamer.

That's fine. If you want to play Call of Duty 245 and Final Fantasy 9001, go ahead. It's threads and statements about PC gaming which really get my blood boiling. There is no just reason to HATE PC gaming. PC gaming is the last place any real innovation is happening. You name your favorite game, it can be derived from an early PC title by some small studio who had a good idea and had the means to turn that into a game.

The PC is where the new stuff happens, it's where the real changes are made to gaming. The PC is where the hardware is pushed to the limits and programmers strive to constantly program better and better stuff. The PC is the platform where indie developers can take a game like Team Fortress, a mod for Quake, and turn it into what we know it as today. It's the place where a single map can turn into an entire game genre that even is making its way onto the consoles (DotA, tower defense maps). It's the platform where the small sub-genres can live and thrive.

Why would anybody hate on this platform? It's the reason we have Halo, Call of Duty (which started on the PC no doubt), Gran Truismo, GTA... everything. The PC is the last free place to make games. The console really don't support any sort of indie game development. Companies charge tons of money just to get the development kits and licence games onto their platforms. Without the little guy, how can new ideas be put into games that really change a genre for the best?

All we got from console gaming is matchmaking and regenerating health. What we got from PC gaming and what we continue to get from PC gaming is changing what we play. The hate for the center of innovation and revolutions in gaming is alarming. This hate of PC gaming is what is stagnating gaming and turning companies onto things like motion controls and social networking in video games."

Merex760

So how about PC that will get 912 different Sims games with 99 expansions/DLC to each game...

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

[QUOTE="Merex760"] Go look up some of the most critically acclaimed developers on the 360 and PS3. Look at their history and where they got their start, where they invented the blueprint they've brought to consoles. Bioware, Infinity Ward, Valve, Treyarch, DICE, Bethesda etc.

Iantheone

Weird, cuz last time I checked, BioWare, Infinity Ward, Dice, Bethesda were not acclaimed 360 or PS3 developers, they were acclaimed multiplatform developers.

>So how about PC that will get 912 different Sims games with 99 expansions/DLC to each game...

aroxx_ab

So how about PC that will get 912 different Sims games with 99 expansions/DLC to each game...

aroxx_ab

[QUOTE="Iantheone"][QUOTE="Merex760"] Bungie started on PC. Zipper started on PC. thatgamecompany started on PC. Quantic Dream started on PC. Epic started on PC. Lionhead started on PC. Shall I continue?Ragingbear505

May have been. I only looked at the wiki pages which said it was on the consoles as well. Couldnt really be bothered checking the release dates for each.

[QUOTE="Merex760"][QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

Weird, cuz last time I checked, BioWare, Infinity Ward, Dice, Bethesda were not acclaimed 360 or PS3 developers, they were acclaimed multiplatform developers.

Iantheone

[QUOTE="Merex760"]

I feel like this needs to be said here. It was written by Wasdie yesterday.

"The fact that so many consolites here hate on the PC makes me really lose faith in gaming. You're the real reason why motion controls are taking over, Microsoft can get away with charging more for XBL, and game prices keep going even though variety decrease.

Why do we have Call of Duty number 7 on the way? Simple, console gamers. Console gamers never want anything new, they just want a revison of something that has already been made. Why do we have 13+ Final Fantasies, 4 Halos, 7 Call of Duties, 4 MGS, 4 DMCs, to many Mario games to count... The answer is just the console gamer.

That's fine. If you want to play Call of Duty 245 and Final Fantasy 9001, go ahead. It's threads and statements about PC gaming which really get my blood boiling. There is no just reason to HATE PC gaming. PC gaming is the last place any real innovation is happening. You name your favorite game, it can be derived from an early PC title by some small studio who had a good idea and had the means to turn that into a game.

The PC is where the new stuff happens, it's where the real changes are made to gaming. The PC is where the hardware is pushed to the limits and programmers strive to constantly program better and better stuff. The PC is the platform where indie developers can take a game like Team Fortress, a mod for Quake, and turn it into what we know it as today. It's the place where a single map can turn into an entire game genre that even is making its way onto the consoles (DotA, tower defense maps). It's the platform where the small sub-genres can live and thrive.

Why would anybody hate on this platform? It's the reason we have Halo, Call of Duty (which started on the PC no doubt), Gran Truismo, GTA... everything. The PC is the last free place to make games. The console really don't support any sort of indie game development. Companies charge tons of money just to get the development kits and licence games onto their platforms. Without the little guy, how can new ideas be put into games that really change a genre for the best?

All we got from console gaming is matchmaking and regenerating health. What we got from PC gaming and what we continue to get from PC gaming is changing what we play. The hate for the center of innovation and revolutions in gaming is alarming. This hate of PC gaming is what is stagnating gaming and turning companies onto things like motion controls and social networking in video games."

aroxx_ab

So how about PC that will get 912 different Sims games with 99 expansions/DLC to each game...

1. Lack of (Consoles Exclusive Games)

The PC might have it's fair share of exclusives but once you factor in all the games that are for Xbox 360 and Ps3 only the PC is like a Wii, but with good graphics. To me this is where the PC really falls short, there just isn't enough games on the PC that I want to play and the ones that are usually 99% of the time also on Xbox 360 or Ps3. Console exclusives>PC exclusives. Hermits can rant and rave on how they have the best graphics, but if you don't have the games I want I couldn't care less about all the hardware as long as it doesn't look bad on a HD-TV I couldn't care less.

From what I can understand here is that you prefer console games over PC right? Good for you because I prefer PC exclusive that is why my Wii and 360 are gathering dust and there are many people like you and me with different preferences, so your first point comes down to ones individual preference therefore not a fact.

2. Convenience

You can't play on your couch unless you want to drag it down and hook it up to your TV, It fits better in a home entertainment unit. With the PC you have crashes, your PC might start updating or virus checking at any moment, you have an unwanted virus you're unaware of. I know in 6 months I'm not going to have to take my 360 or Ps3 apart to up my ram or graphics card the list goes on.......

I have my HDTV in my room like many other PC gamers so I don't need to drag anything, I have my PC, Wii and 360 always connected to the same tv in my room next to my PC so I play any PC game I want relaxed on the couch with a 360 controller. Also ever heard of HTPC? You can easily have one always connected to a TV for entertainment purposes. I haven't had no more crashes than I have had on consoles and have had Console since the early 90s.

Get a virus I'm not aware of? Have you been on any suspicious sites lately?

To your last point now, are you insinuating that PC gamers have to upgrade their PC every 6 months :lol: ? The only thing that has changed in my PC in the last 3 years were a 3 graphic cards (a Graphic card every year) and not out out of necessity but because I had the money for it.

3. Compatibility

The only thing you have to check on a Ps3 or 360 game is that it's the title of the game you want Compatibility is not even an afterthought. PCs, you have to check all of your computer stats to make sure that you have enough RAM, have the right video card and other specifics, PC you have to tweak a bunch of settings for every single game to make sure its taking full advantage of my hardware which could also go with convince as well.

PC gamers know their hardware no need to fiddle or try to figure out it's a matter of a couple of minutes top. Heck I don't even do that I just put everything on Highest and 4xAA and see what happens, 90% of the time they work perfectly and is all done with a 115euro gts250.

4. Console Games and versions get more attention.

And rightfully so; also with the exception of the Wii PC has a lot more shovel ware

Mafia 2 says hi for the extra attention with Physx/Apex and being the overall better graphics

5.Reserved

I had a well thought out 5th (and a better 4th) but I forgot it sue me I'm tired.

Shielder7

[QUOTE="Iantheone"][QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

Weird, cuz last time I checked, BioWare, Infinity Ward, Dice, Bethesda were not acclaimed 360 or PS3 developers, they were acclaimed multiplatform developers.

waltefmoney

But they're not acclaimed PS3 or 360 developers, they're not first party. The only first party console developers that I can think of that started on PC are Lionhead and Bungie, and Bungie are no longer first party. That's it. Not to mention Sony and Nintendo who have never used ex-PC developers.

Bioware made ME and ME2 which are on consoles (ME2 coming to PS3). It is acclaimed. Treyarch and Infinity Ward make Call of Duty games which are on consoles. That makes it an acclaimed developer. Dice makes BF: BC2 which is on consoles. Acclaimed. Bethesda makes Fallout 3. On consoles = acclaimed developer.

And what the HELL does first party have to do with anything he said?

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

[QUOTE="Iantheone"] They all STARTED on PC. Im not sure about this though, checking facts now...Eggimannd

But they're not acclaimed PS3 or 360 developers, they're not first party. The only first party console developers that I can think of that started on PC are Lionhead and Bungie, and Bungie are no longer first party. That's it. Not to mention Sony and Nintendo who have never used ex-PC developers.

Bioware made ME and ME2 which are on consoles (ME2 coming to PS3). It is acclaimed. Treyarch and Infinity Ward make Call of Duty games which are on consoles. That makes it an acclaimed developer. Dice makes BF: BC2 which is on consoles. Acclaimed. Bethesda makes Fallout 3. On consoles = acclaimed developer.

And what the HELL does first party have to do with anything he said?

He said 360 or PS3 developers. Dunno about you, but for me that translates as "exclusive developers."

[QUOTE="Shielder7"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

you're talking opinion so that's where i stop.

CaseyWegner

you need to respond to this.

"would you listen to yourself? you are comparing multiple systems to one system and bragging that multiple systems come out on top. look at the spreadsheet. the pc has more overall high scoring games than any one console. if you look at just exclusives, the pc has more of them than all three consoles combined. the only way to top the pc is to use multiple systems against it. why are you proud of that?"

[QUOTE="Iantheone"][QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

Weird, cuz last time I checked, BioWare, Infinity Ward, Dice, Bethesda were not acclaimed 360 or PS3 developers, they were acclaimed multiplatform developers.

waltefmoney

But they're not acclaimed PS3 or 360 developers, they're not first party. The only first party console developers that I can think of that started on PC are Lionhead and Bungie, and Bungie are no longer first party. That's it. Not to mention Sony and Nintendo who have never used ex-PC developers.