Consolites must feel proud: they have singlehandidly brought down the PC

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"][QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

All I am saying is that Pirates are killing PC gaming.

PS3_3DO

Really? I thought retail sales for PC games are down. You have to admit Piracy is hurting PC gaming more then ever now.

Well since this is a thread about piracy and MW2.. since MW2 uses steam here u go:

Gabe Newell revealed that the company is not concerned about the threat of piracy in the PC market.

"When you list the things that we worry about in our business, piracy is not one of them," he told the audience in response to a question.

His sentiments run counter to those of many publishers, who feel piracy is killing their PC games business. But, said Newell, Valve's Steam distribution platform and the service it provides its customers protects it from that.

"We've got great facilities that make it very hard for people to pirate," he said. "And more importantly, the service value of having an ongoing relationship with us is high enough that it causes people to not be very interested in piracy.

"It's a dangerous thing to pirate one of our games because later on, when we catch you, you lose all your games, or you can't play multiplayer."

Earlier, Valve's Jason Holtman explained why the company felt the fear of rampant piracy in emerging markets such as Russia and China was misplaced, and the problem easily solved.

He noted how famous the Russian market was for its piracy, and explained that this was a direct result of games releasing there six months after North America and Western Europe. It wasn't just Steam's encryption technology, but the ease of simultaneous worldwide releases on the platform that solved the problem for Valve.

"We know that that's the major place where this rampant piracy myth comes from," Holtman said. "Rampant piracy is just unserved customers."

"Russians have money, Russians like to play games and Russians have PCs. They love going to stores and not having to use Bittorrent sties."

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If PC gaming is a sinking ship, then in terms of its relative popularity console gaming must be a wreck at the bottom of the ocean.Danm_999

All I am saying is that Pirates are killing PC gaming.

[QUOTE="h575309"] He has a point that pirating is hurting in a sense that some developers were enacting the crazy DRM crap, as well as a lot of devs being bitter about itVandalvideo

I love PC gamers. Spend half their time on about how superior the PC is to consoles, and the other half complaining PC is being ruined by consoles. It's strange...locopatho

Even in its state of ruin, it is vastly superior to consoles.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Even in its state of ruin, it is vastly superior to consoles.Jandurin

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Even in its state of ruin, it is vastly superior to consoles.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="h575309"] He has a point that pirating is hurting in a sense that some developers were enacting the crazy DRM crap, as well as a lot of devs being bitter about ith575309

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Even in its state of ruin, it is vastly superior to consoles.Vandalvideo

EDIT: what r the specs on ur dell?

I can see alot of PC gamers flaming you for buying a Dell. I wont though, I actually bought a prebuilt Gateway two years ago, for like $900, came with a 23 inch monitor, Crysis, 8800 gt, q6600, 3 gb ram. Quite a beast at the time, and was like 70% of the retail price. Not to mention, its been great! I mean, it runs DA:O amazingly well. Alas, the downside is I cant upgrade anything because the PSU is a POS haha.EDIT: what r the specs on ur dellh575309

[QUOTE="locopatho"]I love PC gamers. Spend half their time on about how superior the PC is to consoles, and the other half complaining PC is being ruined by consoles. It's strange...Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="h575309"] I can see alot of PC gamers flaming you for buying a Dell. I wont though, I actually bought a prebuilt Gateway two years ago, for like $900, came with a 23 inch monitor, Crysis, 8800 gt, q6600, 3 gb ram. Quite a beast at the time, and was like 70% of the retail price. Not to mention, its been great! I mean, it runs DA:O amazingly well. Alas, the downside is I cant upgrade anything because the PSU is a POS haha.EDIT: what r the specs on ur dellVandalvideo

We do not accept mediocrity, that's just your elitist attitude speaking.

What a pitiful thread this is. Piracy has killed the PC not people that like consoles.

Congratulations consolites,

You sould feel proud. Due to your acceptance of mediocrity you have now brought the death of the best system of all, the PC.

Now that companies have seen they can treat you for the sheep that you are, buying anything and everything, including DLC codes,

attrocious multiplayer gameplay, etc... they have now moved on to treat the PC gamers the same. So not only have you allowed yourselves

to be treated as dogs you have now spread the disease of mediocrity to those who since the inception of gaming itself have refused

to become sheep. The likes of Activision, Infinity Ward, ID Software, etc... have now replicated the mediocrity they put on you year in and year out

onto those who demand better; PC gamers. You can try to refute this by posting scores, sales figures, supposed pirating numbers; nevertheless,

the facts remain that you are singlehandidly killing the PC market one sheepish purchase at a time.

scoobiesnackarf

[QUOTE="locopatho"] Interesting but ultimately a bit silly. What you call dedication I call blind brand loyalty. If the series begins to suck, ditch it. Zelda is my favourite game series and has been since I was 5 years old, but if Nintendo ever bring out a crappy one I'll abandon it for something else. It just seems more sensible than going nuts over something I can't change.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="locopatho"] Interesting but ultimately a bit silly. What you call dedication I call blind brand loyalty. If the series begins to suck, ditch it. Zelda is my favourite game series and has been since I was 5 years old, but if Nintendo ever bring out a crappy one I'll abandon it for something else. It just seems more sensible than going nuts over something I can't change.Vandalvideo

Well, you seem to have no problem calling us console gamers lazy gamers who will continually buy a series no matter the quality.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"] They're both equally untrue generalizations. You're talking about individuals based on sales which is pointless.Vandalvideo

good the pc is meant for talking in these forums not for games. They are annoying, consoles own it and herms are coming to that realization now.

Well, you seem to have no problem calling us console gamers lazy gamers who will continually buy a series no matter the quality.789shadow

good the pc is meant for talking in these forums not for games.

PrimusGears

[QUOTE="789shadow"]Well, you seem to have no problem calling us console gamers lazy gamers who will continually buy a series no matter the quality.Vandalvideo

I really don't see the problem. If a PC game series becomes all silly, whether because of consoles or otherwise, stop buying it and play others. I'm not a PC gamer but it was my understanding that the huge choice and variety on PC was one of it's main advantages. Then you don't understand the mind set of the PC Gamer. The PC Gamer, unlike console gamers, doesn't just roll over when developers start to change their games for the worse. PC Gamers, unlike console gamers, tend to stick with a franchise over the long haul because of the sheer ammount of games the PC has. Communities are split up into Medal of Honor, Crysis, Counter Strike, Call of Duty, etc. There is very little bleed over between communities. About the only time an Unreal player communicates with a COD player is if they share the same host clan. Because PC gamers are so dedicated to franchises, when those franchises change they become angry. As a COD player, I'm furious about MW2. At the same time, an Unreal PC player probably doesn't care, but would cut Epic's throat over Unreal 3, which I don't really care about. That is the nature of the beast on the PC. It is probably why I'm so committed to Silent Hill and Suikoden as well.Vandalvideo

Doesn't exactly sound like an open comment to me, plus it insinutes that everyone has the same opinion.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"] They're both equally untrue generalizations. You're talking about individuals based on sales which is pointless.Vandalvideo

Doesn't exactly sound like an open comment to me, plus it insinutes that everyone has the same opinion.789shadow

[QUOTE="h575309"] Once again, your generalizing. Consumers are generally uninformed, impulse buyers that are attracted towards familiar things. Thus, is activisions strategy of milking the hell out of the "Hero" name. People line up like cattle to pick up The Sims to you know. And what about the millions and millions of PC owners that are migrating towards a more expensive Apple product, because of a blitzkreig of advertising campaigns?Vandalvideo

Congratulations consolites,

You sould feel proud. Due to your acceptance of mediocrity you have now brought the death of the best system of all, the PC.

Now that companies have seen they can treat you for the sheep that you are, buying anything and everything, including DLC codes,

attrocious multiplayer gameplay, etc... they have now moved on to treat the PC gamers the same. So not only have you allowed yourselves

to be treated as dogs you have now spread the disease of mediocrity to those who since the inception of gaming itself have refused

to become sheep. The likes of Activision, Infinity Ward, ID Software, etc... have now replicated the mediocrity they put on you year in and year out

onto those who demand better; PC gamers. You can try to refute this by posting scores, sales figures, supposed pirating numbers; nevertheless,

the facts remain that you are singlehandidly killing the PC market one sheepish purchase at a time.

scoobiesnackarf

TC, your post is stupid. First off, for what it's worth, I've been an avid PC Gamer for over 15 years now, I'm as much of a 'hermit' as you get.

- First, What makes you say PC Gaming is dead? Look's to me like it's doing very well. There's tons of titles comming out, both multiplat and exclusives. There's a wide array of genres being supported on the PC. Developers keep exploring how online and internet can be used as a new way to play games. PC gaming not dead, it's evolving, chaning and adpating. It's always been like that and I'm pretty sure it always will be.

- Second, What the hell does console players have to do with anything?! You think that console players are somehow some kind of simple minded sludge o the bottom of the lake while PC Gamers is a pure and wise gatrhering of people who join in profound gaming?! All platforms have plenty of crap games, all platforms get games that have been simplified. All platforms have games that are challaning. Games that are complex and games that are.. whatever.

- Third, Even if what you say were true, why the hell do you think that it's somehow the Console Gamers job to struggle to ensure that your personal gaming experience remain unchanged?! Neither the universe, nor the game industry revolves around you.

- Fourth, as for the current mess with MW2. I don't like that they've taken away dedicated servers and I have no problem saying so but... well... what's the big bloody deal?! If you disagree with Infinity Ward, by all means express your disagreement, post on forums, boycut the game, give it bad user review, make nasty sounding sigs expressing your displeasure. But please keep things in perspecting. This is one game. Yeah it's a big title but it's still just a game.

- Fifth, So you don't like p2p server. I can agree in the context of MW2, but again, rememeber this is the same sever model is used by games like StarCraft, Diablo and Diablo 2 and Company of Heroes. Are you going to claim that these games have been killing PC Gaming as well? Removing dedicated server removes a number of options and reduces the number of players. This arguably reduces the quality of the multiplayer component. It does not, however, kill the PC Gaming industry.

In summary. You're wrong all around. First you're whole reason for being mad is wrong, PC Gaming is still here and doing quite well, second if you're bad about the state of gaming, blame PC Gamers, not console games.

Congratulations consolites,

You sould feel proud. Due to your acceptance of mediocrity you have now brought the death of the best system of all, the PC.

Now that companies have seen they can treat you for the sheep that you are, buying anything and everything, including DLC codes,

attrocious multiplayer gameplay, etc... they have now moved on to treat the PC gamers the same. So not only have you allowed yourselves

to be treated as dogs you have now spread the disease of mediocrity to those who since the inception of gaming itself have refused

to become sheep. The likes of Activision, Infinity Ward, ID Software, etc... have now replicated the mediocrity they put on you year in and year out

onto those who demand better; PC gamers. You can try to refute this by posting scores, sales figures, supposed pirating numbers; nevertheless,

the facts remain that you are singlehandidly killing the PC market one sheepish purchase at a time.

Congratulations consolites,

You sould feel proud. Due to your acceptance of mediocrity you have now brought the death of the best system of all, the PC.

Now that companies have seen they can treat you for the sheep that you are, buying anything and everything, including DLC codes,

attrocious multiplayer gameplay, etc... they have now moved on to treat the PC gamers the same. So not only have you allowed yourselves

to be treated as dogs you have now spread the disease of mediocrity to those who since the inception of gaming itself have refused

to become sheep. The likes of Activision, Infinity Ward, ID Software, etc... have now replicated the mediocrity they put on you year in and year out

onto those who demand better; PC gamers. You can try to refute this by posting scores, sales figures, supposed pirating numbers; nevertheless,

the facts remain that you are singlehandidly killing the PC market one sheepish purchase at a time.

PC gaming isn't dying. One franchise has died on the PC (Call of Duty). I find it to be no big deal, the single player is still good fun and while it is a shame no mods will come from the game, it is not the end of the world; when a game gets to six entries in the series I personally find it time to call it quits. PC gaming will never die, the ignorance on System Wars is self inflicted and a shame for people missing out on genuinely phenomenal games. Same goes for elitist hermits and ignoring consoles.-Feath-

this is the post that should end the thread.