Consolization , the WORST thing that could happen to a PC game

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#51 foxhound_fox
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@the_master_race said:

New Vegas was good , not an exclusive but still a good PC game

You were complaining about Bethesda making a consolized game. We aren't discussing New Vegas and Obsidian here. I want to know what you think would change if Bethesda were to make Fallout 4 PC exclusive.

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#52 the_master_race
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@foxhound_fox said:
@the_master_race said:

New Vegas was good , not an exclusive but still a good PC game

You were complaining about Bethesda making a consolized game. We aren't discussing New Vegas and Obsidian here. I want to know what you think would change if Bethesda were to make Fallout 4 PC exclusive.

I was complaining about Fallout becoming a consolized game not Bethesda making a consolized game ... I doubt Bethesda can make a PC gamer ever

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#53  Edited By foxhound_fox
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@the_master_race said:

I was complaining about Fallout becoming a consolized game not Bethesda making a consolized game ... I doubt Bethesda can make a PC gamer ever

But Bethesda made Fallout 4. You were complaining about the game they made.

And you still haven't given me any specific about what you'd think would change or be made "better" by having it be PC exclusive.

Obsidian made New Vegas on PC, PS3 and the 360. And many people loved it on consoles.

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#54 thehig1
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I don't mind PC Games going to Consoles at all. Exclusivity sucks but I really hate when stuff like Deus Ex 2 or Sacred 3 happens. Target PC as main platform and don't dumb down games. But then again, you can expect a modern "AAA" game to be dumbed down for the masses.

Spot on, I think this is what the OP meant, its not so much that consoles get PC games, its more the games are being dumbed down to accommodate consoles.

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helping minutemen , .....

@leandrro said:
@the_master_race said:

after playing FO4 for 120 hours – don’t ask me why - , there’s only one thing that I can tell ya , A GOOD PC GAME SHOULD NEVER COME TO CONSOLES, NEVER EVER !!

people than played it for 30 hours usually say they spent a lot of time on repetitive missions, what did you do in 120 hours?

I couldn't stand the minute men, Preston was so bloody ungrateful and the settlement task got really annoying fast. It was only ever clear out a bunch of enemies in a location normally quite far away from the settlement. Every now and then the settlements got attacked, normally when your doing something more interesting so its an inconvenience to go help them.

When I replay the game I'll see if I can avoid them all together and go straight to diamond city.

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#55 Cloud_imperium
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@thehig1 said:
@Cloud_imperium said:

I don't mind PC Games going to Consoles at all. Exclusivity sucks but I really hate when stuff like Deus Ex 2 or Sacred 3 happens. Target PC as main platform and don't dumb down games. But then again, you can expect a modern "AAA" game to be dumbed down for the masses.

Spot on, I think this is what the OP meant, its not so much that consoles get PC games, its more the games are being dumbed down to accommodate consoles.

Yeah, I know... But this is SW, so drama queens will act dumb as usual, even though it's pretty clear what @the_master_race meant.

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#56  Edited By the_master_race
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@thehig1 said:
@Cloud_imperium said:

I don't mind PC Games going to Consoles at all. Exclusivity sucks but I really hate when stuff like Deus Ex 2 or Sacred 3 happens. Target PC as main platform and don't dumb down games. But then again, you can expect a modern "AAA" game to be dumbed down for the masses.

Spot on, I think this is what the OP meant, its not so much that consoles get PC games, its more the games are being dumbed down to accommodate consoles.

@the_master_race said:

helping minutemen , .....

@leandrro said:
@the_master_race said:

after playing FO4 for 120 hours – don’t ask me why - , there’s only one thing that I can tell ya , A GOOD PC GAME SHOULD NEVER COME TO CONSOLES, NEVER EVER !!

people than played it for 30 hours usually say they spent a lot of time on repetitive missions, what did you do in 120 hours?

I couldn't stand the minute men, Preston was so bloody ungrateful and the settlement task got really annoying fast. It was only ever clear out a bunch of enemies in a location normally quite far away from the settlement. Every now and then the settlements got attacked, normally when your doing something more interesting so its an inconvenience to go help them.

When I replay the game I'll see if I can avoid them all together and go straight to diamond city.

upfront I ain't gonna play this game again , maybe in two years .... until modder fix the UI , add an Isometric View for the workshop , fix the Companion AI and blah blah blah

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#57 thehig1
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@the_master_race: hopefully there is also a mod that makes Preston less of a dick head.

I'm not replaying it myself for a year or two, wait until modders fix and finish the game for bethedsa

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#58 the_master_race
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@the_master_race: hopefully there is also a mod that makes Preston less of a dick head.

I'm not replaying it myself for a year or two, wait until modders fix and finish the game for bethedsa

http://www.dsogaming.com/screenshot-news/fallout-4-can-look-pretty-amazing-with-these-custom-enbseries-mods/

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#59 LJS9502_basic
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@thehig1: That would be the fault of the developers then. Nothing stops them from optimizing games for specific platforms.

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@MBirdy88: my god...ppl on the Internet need proof for everything as if every advancement however small is recorded. Do you really think it was a big enough deal to write down the gradual effect?

The proof is if you played games last generation.

Last gen most multiplats focused on console. They only have so many buttons on a controller.

i've said this before but it's been a while and I can't remember the games I use to use as examples.

just look at some newer games. In the controls menu there "In car" or "on foot" etc. Look at the first Farcry compared to 3 or 4. The controls or more consolidated.

Look at the first FEAR. I swear I remember having to redo like 15 keys to my liking.

I also think that many PC gamers having actual gaming mice with extra buttons is part of it.

Stop thinking that a minor positive is going to hurt the PC master race.....stop being so sensitive.

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@mr_huggles_dog said:

@MBirdy88: my god...ppl on the Internet need proof for everything as if every advancement however small is recorded. Do you really think it was a big enough deal to write down the gradual effect?

The proof is if you played games last generation.

Last gen most multiplats focused on console. They only have so many buttons on a controller.

i've said this before but it's been a while and I can't remember the games I use to use as examples.

just look at some newer games. In the controls menu there "In car" or "on foot" etc. Look at the first Farcry compared to 3 or 4. The controls or more consolidated.

Look at the first FEAR. I swear I remember having to redo like 15 keys to my liking.

I also think that many PC gamers having actual gaming mice with extra buttons is part of it.

Stop thinking that a minor positive is going to hurt the PC master race.....stop being so sensitive.

so in others words....

no.

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#62 glez13
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Now that you mention stuff like this, why the f*ck is the key for grenades the same for bashing with the weapon? Just the little bit I tried the game I killed myself a couple of times with my own grenades exploding almost right in my face because of this. I have what seems like a gazillion keys to choose from but I need to tap or press down the same key to do two different things.

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#63 Mr_Huggles_dog
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@MBirdy88: here I'll say in short what your mind auto translates everything into:

PC sucks.

There now you have an actual reason to be a little bitch.

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#64  Edited By Mr_Huggles_dog
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@glez13: I'd like to know what game has the melee and grenade button as the same key.

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#65  Edited By lundy86_4
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Stop being a drama queen.

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@mr_huggles_dog said:

@MBirdy88: here I'll say in short what your mind auto translates everything into:

PC sucks.

There now you have an actual reason to be a little bitch.

look, you are the only person throwing a tantrum here, you said a statement as if it was a fact, I was actually pretty polite about it for a change... and then you start...

I mean, if you are that offended by being called out for stating things out of your arse ... then maybe... you shouldn't state things out of your arse?

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Isn't Bacon the best meal for a hangover?

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@madsnakehhh said:

Isn't Bacon the best meal for a hangover?

Good at giving you cancer too apparently.

which is worse?

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@MBirdy88 said:
@madsnakehhh said:

Isn't Bacon the best meal for a hangover?

Good at giving you cancer too apparently.

which is worse?

So will stepping outside, so will drinking fizzy drinks, so will sucking on a exhaust pipe. All the fun stuff gives you cancer.

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#70 thehig1
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@LJS9502_basic: Money stops them.

It's cheaper to do less work and leave it all the same

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@clyde46 said:
@MBirdy88 said:
@madsnakehhh said:

Isn't Bacon the best meal for a hangover?

Good at giving you cancer too apparently.

which is worse?

So will stepping outside, so will drinking fizzy drinks, so will sucking on a exhaust pipe. All the fun stuff gives you cancer.

I knew it! time to stop breathing!

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@the_master_race said:

after playing FO4 for 120 hours – don’t ask me why - , there’s only one thing that I can tell ya , A GOOD PC GAME SHOULD NEVER COME TO CONSOLES, NEVER EVER !!

Yeah it's called Wasteland 2.. The Fallout's beginning at 3 are nothing like their PC centric earlier titles to begin with.. You needed 120 hours to figure that out?

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@mr_huggles_dog said:

@MBirdy88: my god...ppl on the Internet need proof for everything as if every advancement however small is recorded. Do you really think it was a big enough deal to write down the gradual effect?

The proof is if you played games last generation.

Last gen most multiplats focused on console. They only have so many buttons on a controller.

i've said this before but it's been a while and I can't remember the games I use to use as examples.

just look at some newer games. In the controls menu there "In car" or "on foot" etc. Look at the first Farcry compared to 3 or 4. The controls or more consolidated.

Look at the first FEAR. I swear I remember having to redo like 15 keys to my liking.

I also think that many PC gamers having actual gaming mice with extra buttons is part of it.

Stop thinking that a minor positive is going to hurt the PC master race.....stop being so sensitive.

.......... Yeah your talking out of your butt there if your going to use FEAR as a example, that game did not have any kind of control bloat what so ever..

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@MBirdy88 said:
@clyde46 said:
@MBirdy88 said:
@madsnakehhh said:

Isn't Bacon the best meal for a hangover?

Good at giving you cancer too apparently.

which is worse?

So will stepping outside, so will drinking fizzy drinks, so will sucking on a exhaust pipe. All the fun stuff gives you cancer.

I knew it! time to stop breathing!

You know what will really give you cancer, Transformer oil.

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@sSubZerOo: fine then I'm talking out of my ass...games haven't been simplified even though that's the exact thing This thread is bitching about.

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#76 Mr_Huggles_dog
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@MBirdy88: I'm throwing such a tantrum I just dropped kicked my poodle out the window....all Bc of you MBirdy!!!

No but seriously....you're a constant prick and you expect me to treat you with respect Bc I caught on one of your good days?

Please.

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#77  Edited By Altivera
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Even if was PC exclusive you still wouldn't like the game.

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#78 glez13
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@mr_huggles_dog said:

@glez13: I'd like to know what game has the melee and grenade button as the same key.

Fallout 4.

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@mr_huggles_dog said:

@MBirdy88: I'm throwing such a tantrum I just dropped kicked my poodle out the window....all Bc of you MBirdy!!!

No but seriously....you're a constant prick and you expect me to treat you with respect Bc I caught on one of your good days?

Please.

Cool story, but I'l still call you out when your talking s*it. Maybe you will learn a thing or two.

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#80 Mr_Huggles_dog
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@glez13: well that just sucks.

That's your problem.

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#81  Edited By Mr_Huggles_dog
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@MBirdy88: I guess you got me. I hope everyone on this forum sees that you, MBirdy. The one and mighty .....is not one to be fucked.

UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES WILL HE FALTER IN THE QUEST OF TRUTH, JUSTICE, AND WE HOLD DEAR ON SW!!!!

BEHOLD....MBirdy.

Now excuse me I have to wipe.

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@mr_huggles_dog said:

@MBirdy88: I guess you got me. I hope everyone on this forum sees that you, MBirdy. The one and mighty .....is not one to be fucked.

UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES WILL HE FALTER IN THE QUEST OF TRUTH, JUSTICE, AND WE HOLD DEAR ON SW!!!!

BEHOLD....MBirdy.

Now excuse me I have to wipe.

So did Miyamato make multi action buttons? or was it steve jobs? maybe it was master chief...

I dunno, gonna clue me in chief?

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@mr_huggles_dog said:

@MBirdy88: I guess you got me. I hope everyone on this forum sees that you, MBirdy. The one and mighty .....is not one to be fucked.

UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES WILL HE FALTER IN THE QUEST OF TRUTH, JUSTICE, AND WE HOLD DEAR ON SW!!!!

BEHOLD....MBirdy.

Now excuse me I have to wipe.

Stop crying son.

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My fix for hangovers was to drink a **** ton of water before going to sleep. Once I started doing that I never had a hangover again.

The only trick there is really.

But then you have to be sober enough to remember you need to drink the water. And sober enough to still drink like half a liter of water before going to bed.

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#85  Edited By Mr_Huggles_dog
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@MBirdy88: dude I'm done talking to you...you're so anal about anything regarding PC.

You don't ever bitch when I make comments about consoles.

Bye.

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#86  Edited By deactivated-59d151f079814
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@mr_huggles_dog said:

@sSubZerOo: fine then I'm talking out of my ass...games haven't been simplified even though that's the exact thing This thread is bitching about.

You were talking about the control scheme, not the overall game it self.. First person shooters on the pc never had many buttons to begin with, except maybe the simulator or Battle field series.. I know because I have played FPS's since the days of Doom 1..

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@R4gn4r0k said:
@ConanTheStoner said:

My fix for hangovers was to drink a **** ton of water before going to sleep. Once I started doing that I never had a hangover again.

The only trick there is really.

But then you have to be sober enough to remember you need to drink the water. And sober enough to still drink like half a liter of water before going to bed.

Back in my uni days, I used to go out, get smashed, get back at 4am, not have any water and I'll still be in for 9am lectures. Although, I do think at one lecture I was still drunk.

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@clyde46 said:

Back in my uni days, I used to go out, get smashed, get back at 4am, not have any water and I'll still be in for 9am lectures. Although, I do think at one lecture I was still drunk.

I mostly handled booze just fine the other day. Can't remember any hangovers, but to get no side effects I sometimes drank lotsa water.

But I need a good 8 hours of sleep to get it all out of my system. No way would I be up for classes with 4 hours of sleep. I'd still be half wasted xD

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@R4gn4r0k said:
@clyde46 said:

Back in my uni days, I used to go out, get smashed, get back at 4am, not have any water and I'll still be in for 9am lectures. Although, I do think at one lecture I was still drunk.

I mostly handled booze just fine the other day. Can't remember any hangovers, but to get no side effects I sometimes drank lotsa water.

But I need a good 8 hours of sleep to get it all out of my system. No way would I be up for classes with 4 hours of sleep. I'd still be half wasted xD

I'm a real lightweight though. I;d take £25 out, get wankered, have some food and still have a fiver left. Didn't need taxi money as I lived in the centre of town.

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#90  Edited By Mr_Huggles_dog
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@sSubZerOo: whatever FEAR is like a decade old and I just remember having to adjust many keys.

If you dont want to take what I'm saying into context fine.

All I was trying to say was that generally games PC exclusive or not have been simplified (control scheme wise) over time.

But go ahead and be anal about it.

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@the_master_race said:

after playing FO4 for 120 hours – don’t ask me why - , there’s only one thing that I can tell ya , A GOOD PC GAME SHOULD NEVER COME TO CONSOLES, NEVER EVER !!

honestly nobody wants your games..srs..its the developers that think otherwise..I would rather PC not get my consoles games either..you dont deserve them..having almost no exclusives is killing the industry imho.

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#92 deactivated-57ad0e5285d73
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Don't pc gamer fanboys tend to point out how their version of x and y big release games is better? Well, those are console games. People are buying them. This tells the publishers that pc gamers want games catered towards a game controller. End of discussion.

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Yeah don't give a shit about any of that, as long as the game actually executes on its main goals and has top notch design to boot, all is fine.

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#96 ConanTheStoner
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@R4gn4r0k said:

The only trick there is really.

But then you have to be sober enough to remember you need to drink the water. And sober enough to still drink like half a liter of water before going to bed.

Ha, yep that's the tough part. By the time I realized that though, I was already a seasoned drinker. I could put any combination of terrible shit in my stomach and remain composed... unless I added non-alcohol factors to the mix, then it was game over.

@clyde46 said:

Back in my uni days, I used to go out, get smashed, get back at 4am, not have any water and I'll still be in for 9am lectures. Although, I do think at one lecture I was still drunk.

Similar deal here, but even worse, I was a forklift operator lol.

Unfortunately, I was cool with all the local bar owners. So when they were shutting down for the night, they would let some of us stay after hours. At that point we would bust out our own bottles, smoke whatever and get really fucked up. I'd usually leave around 4am, catch a couple of hours of sleep, then be at the warehouse at 7am.

Completely irresponsible tbh, glad nobody got hurt. I don't miss those days a bit lol.

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#97  Edited By the_master_race
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@Heirren said:

Don't pc gamer fanboys tend to point out how their version of x and y big release games is better? Well, those are console games. People are buying them. This tells the publishers that pc gamers want games catered towards a game controller. End of discussion.

Having a great performance on PC doesn’t make game a good PC Game!

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#98 R4gn4r0k
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@xdude85 said:

"****, the graphics are so fucking bad, I can't play this."

I think you messed up the quoting. It's cows that continuously say this gen that if a game is not 1080p it's not worth playing.

Still, with this chart being more biased towards one side than the other. I'd still rather be the critical douche on the right than the insanely ignorant "Yay, video gamez !" "boy, having a thought of my own is so hard, I'll just comment on the artstyle twice" guy on the left xD

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#99  Edited By Legend002
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It's like that dude that claimed CoD to be a true military war simulator.

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@the_master_race said:
@Heirren said:

Don't pc gamer fanboys tend to point out how their version of x and y big release games is better? Well, those are console games. People are buying them. This tells the publishers that pc gamers want games catered towards a game controller. End of discussion.

Having a great performance on PC doesn’t make game a good PC Game!

What is your point?