Could Neo's clock speed be changed like the PSP via firmware?

Why do you bother arguing with that imbecile?

@tormentos

Yes i can hypocrite you try to use speculation as best serve you,so 4.2TF is speculation and you have no problem using it,i am sure if it changed to 6.2TF you would not use it..lol

Speculation doesn't stop you claiming the Neo will have a 480x and be overclocked to compete with Scorpio.

The difference is I released it was speculation and am happy to wait. While your still continuing your claim that specific parts of the speculation is correct while others could change.

I think you need to look up the meaning of hypocrite.

The specs on the neo are locked in already. There could be a tiny oc but because all chips are not equal and the failure rate + heat it won't amount to much performance. See the X1 as an example the thing is huge for a stable system with a tiny OC. Sony would be fools to try anything crazy on a mass produced system.

Even at the current specs with new chips and board there are going to be lemons so they underclock consoles to get better results.

The PS4 has a RX480 there is no other GPU with the characteristics and 36CU PERIOD there is no other but the RX480 which is the reason why it give away so fast.

And it would not be over clocked,OC is passing the factory default speed,factory default speed is 1266mhz on the RX480 so 911 to 1100,1200,1050 or any other clock below stock would not really be OC but rather giving back to the GPU what it use to have,fact is a RX480 at 1100mhz is not OC is underclock.

But then again i already showed you how a 3.7 TF gap between 2 GPU from the same family only produce 10 FPS difference 3.7TF is more than double the difference between Scorpio and Neo,so you can guess how small the gap will be between the 2 even if neo stay at 4.2TF.

The leaker of Neo also claimed there were 2 models the news came in March before Scorpio was even announce,so stop your damage control,hypocrite worse the funny thing is how you care about power again because the Scorpio will have an edge more than 1 year from now,but still don't care about how the PS4 continue to kick the xbox one butt.

Sure you are is the reason you use 4.2TF vs 6TF...lol

You are a buffoon,look how the heat spread all across the PSU as well from top to bottom.

Heat wasn't a concern you blind biased sony hater,which is why it has an internal PSU,the cooling solution sony is using was good enough,Neo will draw more watts and generate more heat than Neo which is why they are thinking about an outside PSU,i freaking quote the leaker of Neo n Neogaf what do you have to back you up.? Nothing as always your damage control.

claiming a PSU will not generate heat is one of the stupidest things ever,and all fu**Ing ones on PC come with a fan to get heat out of your PC fool.

You are a bitter sony hater,going as far as to claim that a PSU will not generate heat is the most stupid shit ass claims any one can make on this forum,and when you have heat concern for your product you simple don't put the PSU inside,because when you are running hot even degrees more from another source is a problem.

Fact is i linked you to how the PS3 got to 80 degrees on Cell alone in some models,heat between both CPU and GPU by far outdid the PS4 by far.

Oh look at the fat 60GB model ,78 degrees on CPU and degrees on GPU....Both components generating more heat on its own than the complete PS4 Soc.

Did i mention the PS3 had an Internal 380 watts PSU.?

For the PS4 heating wasn't a concern,having an external PSU would help if you need to OC which in this case is not even OC.

So PSU don't generate heat now even that they proportion electricity to all fu**ing parts of the system.? Since when electricity runs cool.?

Why all PSU on PC have a FAN built in.? For looks.?

You know when you side with an idiot on a stupid ass argument because you don't like some one you are even more idiot than the person you are siding with.

Just so you know.

Link because i have one stating that 2 Neo models exist model one is the 4.2TF model and the other a more expensive one,with beef up CPU and higher flop count.

@tormentos: I just think you're an hypocrite. If the Neo and Scorpio had swapped specs, you'd be arguing how much the Neo would mop the floor with the Scorpio. But since your favorite console is the one getting beaten you argue the difference will be small.

Not to mention you can't write for shit and there is way too much useless trash in your posts. Hence why I called you an imbecile.

Lol, cows were so insecure this whole gen even before the Scorpio announcement but now the insecurity is through the roof. lol Good stuff, this gon b gud. :P

He's just ignoring the facts and is in denial because he's trying to to find every little thing that can lead to the Neo closing the gap of Scorpio,

He loves ingoring facts. It's like when he kept posting that Hitman benchmark that was supposedly running on "Ultra" on Polaris 10 and I called him out on his bullshit because there is no "Ultra" preset in that game and he stopped replying. We didn't even know at what settings the game was running or its actual frame rate but he was taking the rumors of it running at "Ultra" and 60fps as gospel even though the settings nor the frame rates were shown.

Still ignoring the facts , makes you the dumb one there el tormentos .....

Your really hoping that Neo will draw more wattage, because that would point that the hardware is much more powerful. Here you go being delusional again I never stated that PSU does not generate heat..... I said below 250w and high efficiency it does not produce much to worry about. Fact is if the psu was bleeding heat we would see it on the other half of the console as well. Now since cooling design is a positive pressure based none of the heat from the PSU ever gets to the APU.

Now again your reading comprehension is lacking again..... I attacked your flawed idea of the thermal imaging showing the real temps of the APU itself, That part is the sole determining factor if it can withstand a overclock.....when in fact the FLIR only showing temps of the air and case not the chip.... The temps the APU is experiencing is much warmer than what the FLIR shows from only looking at the case and vents...... Fact is if you actually had any real knowledge of computers you wouldn't be posting all this hog wash and poor attempt in deflecting.

Put it this way if they use a PSU and cooling design that has ample overhead for pumping out more power and dissipate the excess heat, then yea they wont have any issue upclocking the Neo some. However just because of your flawed logic in hoping that they will be able to upclock and close the rumored 1.8 TFLOP gap just because Sony may move to an external power supply and you using an improper way in determining the PS4's actual APU temps using thermal imaging. Is just plain desperation and or ignorance.

Refer to RX-470 and RX-480 for yield difference example

RX-470 has 1206 Mhz with 32 CU which yields 4.94 TFLOPS. 224 GB/s memory bandwidth with GDDR5-7000. 8 GB version cost $179. About R9-390 level.

RX-480 has 1266 Mhz with 36 CU which yields 5.83 TFLOPS. 256 GB/s memory bandwidth with GDDR5-8000. 8 GB version cost $229. About R9-Fury non-X level.

RX-470 and RX-480 is designed for mainstream mass production.

From my pov, NEO should be configured like RX-470 with 8 GB 256 bit GDDR5-7000.

Scorpio's year 2017 6 TFLOPS GPU solution indicates higher mass production factor than the current RX-480 and RX-470 which is like a refine version of RX-480 e.g. RX-580. The difference between RX-580 and RX-480 is like R9-390X and R9-290X.

@tormentos

When and where did SONY say it was 36CU PERIOD as you put it.

Your saying something is a fact based on speculation on top of speculation.

Now that's funny.

You are talking about increasing the GPU which would require the console to run above its original specification, otherwise known as overclocking.

Still waiting for you to accept the bet like a real man, instead of worming out of it when Mods ban your arse.

@ronvalencia: The neo is an APU not a 470/80/90 desktop part FYI. The specs are already out and the dev kits in the hands of developers. Sony has placed orders and created most likely a prototype. They can't just make major changes without starting over. Nor should they change the neo is primarily for the PSVR and it already has pr-orders and a launch date.

The neo can't match the scorpio give up on that idea and just enjoy the neo for what it is.

@beavis: dude if the past is any example sony so going to stomp all over the xbone 2017........

ron I like you dude but really we don't know what sony will clock it at......we also don't know M$ plan...we do know M$ has told fibs before....saying neo will be 911 is really throwing dice....no one knows that's talking...there are only the early leaks BEFORE zen and the 480 there been no leaks after that...all the talk was on jaguar....that's the data we have only the 38cu at 911 and we don't know if sony lowball that 911....

no one knows for sure and that 4.1 tflops is looking very mild for the 480...it could been sony did not want to show AMD hand because they where asked not to.....now we see the RX480 hitting clocks of 1.6 and over 6 TFLOPS almost touching 7.....

we wont know till the hardware hits the streets so saying lowball numbers is pure SPECULATION...

you know I respect you right?

but please look at the data again and think......you think sony would show all there cards knowing how secert they are ...or it could been like a whitehouse leak.....they not really leaks are they?

@ronvalencia:

@darkangel115: I own sony phones...my w810 walkwan beat any work phone I ever had a long time it works today flawless it 10 years old now.....I had a sony arc s it never failed either people use both of these today.....I have a sony z1 I used it underwater to take a movie...it my daily use phone...it been all over the world with me as where the others...I never had a sony fail......I never owned a phone before sony that did not.

try to do that with any other phones....sony makes great products...I never seen one fail ever from walkmans to tv to anything......except for the cheap china vairo laptops....they where not made in japan...the z was that is know as the best latop ever made....even had outside graphics solution....something there only doing this year by razor.

sony allways been light years ahead.....in smart phones around the year 2000...they even had a waterproff phone after the arc before the z...the arco s I never found one that why I don't have one...

trash sony all you want.......anyone that had sony stuff knows...

the first head mounted disply....HMZ T1 and they made 3 models before the PSVR so I am sure the PSVR will be great....

they made wearable pc ....netbooks before there where netbooks.....sony fans enjoy things well before anyone else would.

sony had the first smart watch.....lots of sony fans have things before you fad comes along.

trash talk all you want ...but when I am at a bar and some one see what sony device I might have they saw wow what is that.....I never seen anything like that.....

and that's just the way sony fans want it.....

we don't want everyone to have what we have first.

sony style.......

sorry if you cant afford it

No.

I end this once and for all with phils own words as he a god in xbones minds....

the xbox scopio will do nothing if you don't own a 4K tv.....go and but the one s .....his own words...

IT DO NOTHING.....

xbox fan unite for new logo to take on sony "it only dose nothing"

so if you own a 1080p tv the 6 tbagflops will do what.....wait for it......NOTHING......

so on neo we be doing 60fps on 1080 and on xbox you have the same exact 720p you have no with 6 flipflops....

wow I so wanna buy that...

but dude it more powerfull it has 6 fliipy flops and 320 licky lops so what if it the same it better it has paddles on the controller it cost 200......

and so all xboners will have a elite experience at $650

Same stuff apple fans say. Paying way too much for overpriced mediocre products. I have an s7 edge. much better phone, I could afford a crappy sony phone easily lol

No you are the hypocrites how many times did i call you a lemm for your xbox one defending.? So who is playing hypocrite here.?

There is no way Scorpio can mop the floor with Neo because a damn R290 that has 4.9TF is just 7 FPS away from a damn Fury X which is 8.6 Teraflops,how the fu** a 3.7 TF gap can only produce 7 FPS difference in 4k.?

You know the gap between Neo and scorpio is 1.8TF half of the gap between teh Fury X and the R290 so Scorpio will not blow anything out of the water hell the freaking RX480 is basically 6TF without being OC and that is the same GPU in Neo with different clocks.

The fun part is that i call you out because you are a blind biased buffoon i don't hide on PC like you do,and i fu**ing know that even Cell phones chargers get fu**ing hot and that is like the freaking lowest common denominator when it comes to watts and apm's.

If a Cell Phone charger can generate heat charging a freaking phone,what the fu** make you think a damn console PSU will not generate any heat,yes say this to you because you sided with the other bitter sony hater and attacked me personally,you have to be a total moron to think console PSU don't generate heat.

I am not ignoring any fact and the only thing you proved there is that sony had quite an efficient way to get rid of heat,not by any chance that the PS4 PSU doesn't generate heat.

You should drop it i already even showed you with a freaking link that the PS3 got to 86 degrees just on Cell alone,and several models run hotter on both GPU and CPU than the PS4 complete Soc,fact is the PS3 got way hotter than the PS3 and,so even 60 degrees is nothing,is not a first for a console i am quite sure the 360 ran even hotter.

And its Power brick get very hot to,so stop trying to imply that PSU don't generate any heat they do you look pathetic trying to convince people of that when even freaking cell phone chargers get hot and that is like the smallest power supply.

1-Is a CONFIRMED leak the same one you use to claim 4.2TF hypocrite.

2-You did the same without any problems.

3-No i am talking about giving back higher clock speed to a GPU that was intentionally lower for god knows what reason,as the RSX wasn't down clock in fact was faster than then launch 7800gtx which was 430mhz the RSX was 550mhz 120mhz over the stock 7800gtx.

Did i mention that Cell and the RSX were stand alone.? So each component generated it own heat.

You people act as if any GPU inside consoles most be under clocked,even that we have 2 precedents.

1-The PS3 which has a GPU with faster Clock speed than its counter part on PC.

2-The PS4 which has a GPU 200mhz slower than its counter part on PC.

So why in hell it most be slower because you say so.?

And in fact is not Over clock at all,OC is running clocks faster than stock model the RSX was OC,the PS4 is under clock so is the xbox one even with the upclcok to 853mhz.

Which bring me to another point MS can OC but somehow Sony can't right hypocrite did you forgot that MS OC both CPU and GPU.?

So how come MS could run over the console specifications but sony can't do the same.?

When MS sucks ass designing hardware vs Sony,the xbox one is weaker,has no internal PSU and runs at 5 less watts than the PS4 yet runs hotter while gaming than the PS4,how is that possible.?

I tell you this there is nothing Sony can do to stop MS from having a stronger console,up clocking a few mhz is not even OC since the GPU on this platform get to much higher clocks on stock model.

Fact is you are a hypocrite who now came out of its cave again,because some how MS will have something better,again you have 1.5 years left of inferior ports enjoy.

O yes you are ignoring facts, and again your the one trying to prove that PSU heat output is limiting overclock potential... and the fact is its not in PS4 design.

Your the one that should drop it since your the one that got owned, You providing PS3 temps means shit when you tried passing FLIR images as proof of low temps of the PS4..... then your comparing a enclosed power brick with very little cooling ability as proof of psus get hot? How sad...... your in full desperation mode now.

Again you're proving how much of a cretin you are. Quote me saying the Scorpio will mop the floor with the Neo. Go ahead do it you clown.

Hide behind the PC? Dig up my post history, see how often I defend the Xbox. I haven't owned one since 2012, it has been 4 years since I've owned an Xbox console. I still own a PS3 and had a PS4 up until 3 months ago.

You're a hypocrite for calling people "blind fanboys" when you're the blindest and most hypocritical individual on the entire website. When we call you out on your bullshit, you conveniently ignore it. Remember that Hitman benchmark you claimed was running at Ultra and supposedly 60fps on Polaris 10? Well I told you there is no Ultra preset cause I own the game and these guys had no benchmarking tools which made the 60fps claims extremely suspicious. I pointed that and you just ignored it and kept using that so-called source as a reference when it was questionable at best.

As I said before, if the specs were reversed you'd be arguing how huge the gap would be between the Neo and the Scorpio but now you're basically preaching the difference will be small. That is a textbook definition of hypocrisy. You can call me a lem all you want I don't give a **** and you have no evidence to back up these claims whereas I have plenty evidence of you making outlandish statements and behaving like a rabid cow all the time.

The smell of your breath is probably the closest thing to the smell of Kaz Hirai's dick. Kindly, piss off. Idiot.

lol that is a crap of crap phones.....

here what I like about the sony xperia Z1

it has a 20mp camera......I have HDR unlocked on it....I can film underwater with no case.....

it has side magnetic charger so I can snap on a battery back onto my phone and never disturb the micro usb port......I can go a whole week on my phone or snap on snap off and not have to ever worry about damage to my phone usb port......I fix many phones and people allways break that port ,,,I fix a lot of Samsung notes...almost everyone rush's to charge there phone or are drunk etc......it not cheap to change out a usb port I charge 75-100 for that....I also fix a ton of water damage apples.....

that edge is the worst design ever......even apple knows better than to do that.....some samsungs are not bad ...some are junk .....but all have the port issue......

sony allows me to unlock the bootloader and root my phone.....

I do a lot of phone android mods

@darkangel115:

No way to change it through a firmware update, they can upclock their parts before release, but if it's releasing this year, the specs are set in stone and mass production already underway so they can't change anything else let alone get zen/vega out this year.

@tormentos

Your going round in circles. Its quite funny.

When and where did SONY confirm what was leaked as being correct? If anything they have claimed its all a rumour.

I used 4.2Tflops and you claimed it was speculation. The same source says its 36CU and you claim its fact.

Now that's funny

Keep it up.

@kuu2: Especially the Gingers...

lol :P

No you are the hypocrite defend the xbox hides on PC yet call others hypocrites,now you like the other bitter sony hater who also defend the xbox one and also hides on PC,it most be that soft spot for MS and windows..lol

The game was running max out which is the same as Ultra unless you want to pretend now like a blind fanboy that MAX OUT mean medium settings with mixed settings.

The demo board ran the latest DX12 titles with a constant 60 FPS at maximum settings. The board wasn’t shown to the public but some journalists were able to get some shots of the graphics board which reveals some interesting new details.

http://www.mobipicker.com/amd-polaris-10-gpu-plays-hitman-constant-60-fps/

I don't know about you but MAX SETTINGS mean Ultra to me,is the maximum setting possible in the game,all game have the same quality settings so for some games High is ultra and very high as well because that is the maximum setting the games allow.

But does it even matter.? It was the actual benchmark what really matter,which by the way many leaks have prove to be true,and the GPU was as powerful as the leaks i quoted stated which mean i was right and you pathetic haters weren't...lol

The only thing suspicious was the level of damage control,you,him and many other had over Polaris 10 on my thread...lol

That is funny because i owned you sorry ass over and you simple can't deal with it,i was right about Polaris and all your cries and his are a glory,now you can continue to pretend like an idiot because you don't like some one that console PSU generate no heat and continue to make echos of others like a parrot.

You don't have a single FACT PROVE to me how consoles PSU generate no heat when electricity runs through them.

Tell why PC PSU all have a fan in the back to extra air from them.

Explain to me how even a phone charger which are 1 and 2 amps and many like 5 to 9 volts get hot.

You didn't disprove my argument at all,all you did was prove that sony had an efficient way to get the heat produce by the PSU out of the unit,my argument wasn't about how sony dissipate heat from PSU but that PSU produce heat and they do each and every one of them.

https://www.engadget.com/2005/11/25/how-to-fix-your-overheating-360/

Imagine how things would have being if the xbox 360 had an Internal PSU,console would have probably set it self on fire.

So removing a PSU from your console is a safe way to avoid heating issues if your console is running hot,and already leaks also claim that the design of the units is different to the PS4 your argument doesn't even hold water to begin with,since the same PSU will not be use,and a beefier one will probably be in order,depending on which CPU and GPU end with.

Bullshit i linked DF article you blind idiot,and they testes vents stated by them self.

So even if it was 60 like you claim that is a walk in the park vs how hot the PS3 got,with 2 components generating over 70 degrees vs the PS4 with 1 soc,and a small PSU which isn't like the 380 watts one inside the PS3 fact is the PS3 and the xbox 360 as well ran circles around around the XBO and PS4 in heat generation.

You have no argument period,fact is if the xbox 360 had an internal PSU the console would have melt because even the damn PSU got ultra hot.

They change anything at any point were ever they want,increase clock speeds,lower them release reserve power,release cores from reservation,in fact both the PS4 and xbox one got the 7 core for games,way after launch,a simple update in SDK will do.

When they confirmed it was 4.2TF.? Hahahahaa see didn't stop you from using it.

Yes everything is speculation which is why i say you are a hypocrite because you try to imply that all we knew was 4.2 TF vs 6TF which is speculation as well.

That is the thing since you doubt my 36CU argument what make that one wrong but some how the 4.2 TF true.?

Yeas either you accept all or nothing lemming.

And lemmings down right the most hypocrites.

So after 2 generations of Scores matter,exclusives matter,graphics matter,and 1 generation hyping sales.

This gen,scores don't matter because you can hit 90 on meta,is about playing the game and enjoying it no matter if it gets less than 80,contrary to last gen get a 9 or better or it sucks policy use by lemmings.

This gen exclusives don't matter either so is OK to have all the exclusives on PC,more places to play the game is fun,even if you don't need an xbox any more to play xbox games.

This gen graphics don't matter after 2 generation over hyping gaps as small as 720p vs 640p this gen those same fanboys can't see the difference between 720p and 1080p..lol

Oh and the sales after MS for 36 months hyped NPD numbers now is OK if they don't talk about numbers,because sales don't matter the xbox is doing ok and that is all that matter..lol

And i am not even mentioning how this place has being swarm by alter account by you people who didn't even have the guts to post from your normal account because of how bad the xbox one is getting it...lol

Better luck next gen this one is on lock already by sony. :)

lol, el tormentos keep that dream and hope alive... its so sad

You were owned big time

http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/compare.php?p=5082,4224

again the Sony product falls short compared to samsung. the S7 edge has bigger screen, better battery, better resolution screen (1440p vs 1080p) better processor, double the RAM, records in 4k compared to 1080p for the Z1, The S7 edge also includes built in wireless fast charging, finger print reader, Better voice quality, better data speeds, and better waterproof. But hey the Z1 has an FM radio so it has that going for it lol. If you are going to pretend you know something, try harder

Also every android phone allows rooting, you should know that since you "do it a lot" according to you lol

Are you comparing a Z1 to an S7? The Z1 is a 2013 phone,the S7 is a 2016 phone mane WTF.?

The only sad thing here is you,who want to pretend PSU don't generate heat..lol

The only one you owned is your self.

Whats next consoles are power by Love so they don't need PSU.?

@tormentos

I took the 4.2Tflops from the posts you saying it was 4.2Tflops. When you first posted about it did you put anything about it being speculation. When claimed it was a 480x GPU PERIOD (as you put it) did you say it was speculation. No not once, but you lied and made it out to be fact, you then built on top of this made up fact to say because its a 480x full GPU inside the clock can be increased to compete with the 6Tflop Scorpio. Ignoring the fact its a console in a tiny box and could have other reasons it cannot be increased. The Xbox One was massive with a massive fan and no PSU inside and that could only get a 10% (or whatever it was) increase.

You took a leak as fact the leak being

• CPU: 8 Jaguar Cores at 2.1 GHz
• GPU: Improved AMD GCN, 36 CUs at 911 MHz
• Memory: 8 GB GDDR5, 218 GB/s

Calculations based on the leak that came up with the 4.2Tflops, your last 50 posts have been about it having this amount of performance and how it will/can be increased. I stopped when you admitted you lied or at best admitted you didn't claim it was speculation.

In answer to your question its all speculation and you have totally wasted your time talking about speculation on top of speculation.

I found it fun once I knew you had done this and you will take a hump about it. That's the difference between you and me.

Finally I'm happy to wait and see, but you will carry on with your damage control. At which I'll carry on laughing

I didn't the other user did. and even If i take the latest Z5 (released this year) It still has a worse battery, worse resolution screen, worse processor, less ram, smaller screen, worse high speed data, lacks wireless charging, and no fingerprint reader in the US model (for some reason). Not only that but the best major carries don't even work with sony because of their poor business. And it cost 3 times the amount of an S7 Edge right now. Best buy is selling the S7 edge for 200 with a free wireless charger. And 600 for the Z5.

Again Playstation is pretty much the only good hardware sony produces right now. Everything else is mid-tier at High end price becuase they think their name still sells products

@tormentos said:

@tdkmillsy said:

@tormentos

Yes i can hypocrite you try to use speculation as best serve you,so 4.2TF is speculation and you have no problem using it,i am sure if it changed to 6.2TF you would not use it..lol

Speculation doesn't stop you claiming the Neo will have a 480x and be overclocked to compete with Scorpio.

The difference is I released it was speculation and am happy to wait. While your still continuing your claim that specific parts of the speculation is correct while others could change.

I think you need to look up the meaning of hypocrite.

The PS4 has a RX480 there is no other GPU with the characteristics and 36CU PERIOD there is no other but the RX480 which is the reason why it give away so fast.

And it would not be over clocked,OC is passing the factory default speed,factory default speed is 1266mhz on the RX480 so 911 to 1100,1200,1050 or any other clock below stock would not really be OC but rather giving back to the GPU what it use to have,fact is a RX480 at 1100mhz is not OC is underclock.

But then again i already showed you how a 3.7 TF gap between 2 GPU from the same family only produce 10 FPS difference 3.7TF is more than double the difference between Scorpio and Neo,so you can guess how small the gap will be between the 2 even if neo stay at 4.2TF.

The leaker of Neo also claimed there were 2 models the news came in March before Scorpio was even announce,so stop your damage control,hypocrite worse the funny thing is how you care about power again because the Scorpio will have an edge more than 1 year from now,but still don't care about how the PS4 continue to kick the xbox one butt.

Sure you are is the reason you use 4.2TF vs 6TF...lol

@04dcarraher said:

If Heat was a concern for the current PS4 they wouldn't have kept the psu inside......

bu...bu...bu... but psu's generate heat, no shit,but under 250w and if its 70%+ efficient its not alot....however your ignoring the fact that a good portion of the PSU is enclosed and that the PS4's main cooling fan forces the heat away from the components and the fact that the whole rear is vented as well. PSU never gets a real chance to heat up the case enough to cause concern.....

As you can see where the psu is outlined in white and the section in brown if the psu was producing alot of excess heat that section would not be blue/ purple, You can see where the heatsink air duct meets with the PSU's main hole(brightest spot) and the smaller one in the center. Also take note that its in the vertical position, hot air rises which would make the top even warmer then laying horizontal. this shows that the PSU enclosure and the air duct is keeping almost all the excess heat away.

So keep on clinging on that hope that Neo will be upclocked to the point that it reaches 80% of the 6 TFLOP spec of the new Xbox. Just because they may move the PSU out side has no bearing on overclockabilty. Chances are its to shrink the formfactor( smaller case)

You are a buffoon,look how the heat spread all across the PSU as well from top to bottom.

Heat wasn't a concern you blind biased sony hater,which is why it has an internal PSU,the cooling solution sony is using was good enough,Neo will draw more watts and generate more heat than Neo which is why they are thinking about an outside PSU,i freaking quote the leaker of Neo n Neogaf what do you have to back you up.? Nothing as always your damage control.

claiming a PSU will not generate heat is one of the stupidest things ever,and all fu**Ing ones on PC come with a fan to get heat out of your PC fool.

You are a bitter sony hater,going as far as to claim that a PSU will not generate heat is the most stupid shit ass claims any one can make on this forum,and when you have heat concern for your product you simple don't put the PSU inside,because when you are running hot even degrees more from another source is a problem.

Fact is i linked you to how the PS3 got to 80 degrees on Cell alone in some models,heat between both CPU and GPU by far outdid the PS4 by far.

Oh look at the fat 60GB model ,78 degrees on CPU and degrees on GPU....Both components generating more heat on its own than the complete PS4 Soc.

Did i mention the PS3 had an Internal 380 watts PSU.?

For the PS4 heating wasn't a concern,having an external PSU would help if you need to OC which in this case is not even OC.

@Juub1990 said:

Why do you bother arguing with that imbecile?

So PSU don't generate heat now even that they proportion electricity to all fu**ing parts of the system.? Since when electricity runs cool.?

Why all PSU on PC have a FAN built in.? For looks.?

You know when you side with an idiot on a stupid ass argument because you don't like some one you are even more idiot than the person you are siding with.

Just so you know.

@no-scope-AK47 said:

The specs on the neo are locked in already. There could be a tiny oc but because all chips are not equal and the failure rate + heat it won't amount to much performance. See the X1 as an example the thing is huge for a stable system with a tiny OC. Sony would be fools to try anything crazy on a mass produced system.

Even at the current specs with new chips and board there are going to be lemons so they underclock consoles to get better results.

Link because i have one stating that 2 Neo models exist model one is the 4.2TF model and the other a more expensive one,with beef up CPU and higher flop count.

FYI that one link was debunked by neogaf days ago

So wrong.... your the one twisting what I said you delusional fool, I said but under "250w and if its 70%+ efficient its not alot" also proved that PS4 design prevents excess heat from bleeding into case....

So no your the one that got owned try again

lol you really want to go down this road...so be it....there a lot of choices in sony in models for me the Z1 all I wanted for size for resolution...if I wanted more I can get more in the form of the Z2 ,Z3 Z4 Z5 or X......4K screen lots of ram more power but the Z1 is all anyone should need now...how powerfull your S7 is depends where you live...if you live in korea you get the Samsung option...if you do not it the snapdragon....you have a weak camera vs the Z1 that can do 4K vids in HDR I know because I ported it....as for the battery you cant beat the sony the software runs flawless...sony makes all the cams for all the phones infact the division makes a killing for sony...we are talking a 2013 model vs a 2016 model but that's ok I own my phone outright it an unlocked LTE model..that cost me 100 bucks a year at tmobile...it NOT a tmobile model...I just use them for service.i have used this phone in asia underwater and in a pool taking movies....the edge was a very bad idea as it prone to screen cracks because it unprotecked and glass is weak when you bend it.....that's a fact in science....if it where a ball that be different because in a ball compression makes a ball only stronger but bends are never good.....it was a fad thing made to look cool that don't do anything.....as for fingerprint readers I don't go in for that...last thing you want if your prints hacked.....with all the spying out there I would never use that feature or face unlocks very very bad idea.....

my 3 year old Z1 will take better movies and pics and is made stronger and I don't expose the usb port ever a huge reason I not buy an updated model where I can dock easy as pie and charge or clip on an extra battery in less than 1 sec flat....it has great music and can run my PS4. the sound is ok no phone is great why I like headphones but in a pinch it an ok solution when people don't have a Bluetooth speaker at the house.

if I wanted more power I just need overclock it ....sony left the clocks a tad lower but I can boost it easy as I have root access and with an unlocked bootloader I can not only port any feature any sony has but I can change firmware or run custom.....I run a semi custom rom with custom kernel....that's means I can overclock this model to the moon as I got a decent bin.....you can see the bins on sony snapdragon.....in the usa sony not a big deal but in the uk and asia there a ton of roms and development out there plus sony surports that too.

that's a huge plus to any hard core android user....that's why some buy those google nexes models...I do a lot of work in android I know what out there I know Samsung odin I know how it fits in the android ecosystem.....I know who makes nice hard and who tosses it together....I pulled apart apple and I can say I never seen hardware layed out so pretty and perfict ever it almost like they made there phone not waterproff on purpose...and I know what inside Samsung....I like Samsung as a company ...I see them as the new japan but that don't change the fact they make a nice note and they made that fad thing......it so not note class in my book.......the note is a good phone normally but lacks a few things why I never would leave sony....it not a fad or fanboy thing it about never seen one fail ever....no matter how much abuse I knock out.

http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=7945&idPhone2=5596&idPhone3=7949

@darkangel115:

Again spewed nonsense, the hardware in the Z series is again worse then that of the galaxy series and more expensive for some reason, and custom roms are available in the US and can be used on any android phone. For someone who claims to know so much, you are always saying wrong things

@darkangel115: how is the hardware worse.....you are talking about 2013 vs 2016 first of all.

my 2013 model has twice the cam you have .....

there are 5 models of Z plus 2 X models......

dude your just a sore loser and you know it .....there a 5.5 sony model they a 5 there a 4.5 there lots of choices there 4K there 1080 ....and I know you only have the snapdragon model ....and you don't own that phone ....because it $750 to but it a grand for the Korean one....I know because I only own phones....so I anyone could go out and buy a 2013 model Z1 for $350 and have a better cam then you...

if I went out a got a 2016 sony performance X it blow the doors off your brand new phone and I pay less too the X models are cheaper then the Z models but they are flagship level......

you have no idea what you are talking about ,, all you did was walk into a store and sign your name.....you post a link from a site that no phone guys use then try to claim your phone is better ....

I know the flaws with usb ports they get damaged easy and I fix a ton of samsungs over that...this is why I keep my 2013 sony xperia Z1 for the next 3 years and but then maybe Samsung will have a 20.7 MP cam in there phone made by sony because they cant manage to make there own cam at all.

I know the story on that they buy sony cams....they want to make there own and then sell them to apple...this is what Samsung is about.....

@tormentos: No you bozo max out and Ultra aren't the same thing. The Division has an Ultra preset and it is not maxed out. Same for Watch_Dogs and many other games. Pretending they are one and the same is a lie. It basically means your source was full of shit because they made the bogus claim of the game running on Ultra when there is no Ultra preset.

I already compared the Z5 (2016 launch) to the S7 Edge (2016 launch) and the Edge wins in everything (CPU, Ram, Screen size, screen resolution, voice quality, High speed data, Battery) and includes features missing from the Z5 like fingerprint reader and wireless charging. So no you are wrong. They do have a higher MP camera, but higher MP isn't always everything. It just allows more zoom basically. Even c-net rated the top camera phones and look samsung number 1 and sony not on list

http://www.cnet.com/topics/phones/best-phones/camera/

http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/compare.php?p=5082,4921

Stop spouting nonsense. You sound like a rabid fan boy. Also you are way too obsessed with cameras on phones lol. and you dont' konw anyhting but spouting nonsense. why not regards about the Z2-$ overheating issues that plagued xperia phones or the fact most top american carriers don't even do business with them. a Z5 cost 3 times as much as an S7 edge currently but is worse. It would be like if the PS3 cost 3 times the amount of a scorpio and you are still defending it

go

@darkangel115: dude first of all screen size is about choice......it not a plus....it a choice...you can get a 5.5 inch in a sony...I told you that.

you can even get a 6 and 6.5 would that make it better than your phone?

as for ram you can get 4 in a sony....

and your going to the wrong places for your data.....you take a Korean model that you don't own then compare it to something....

Samsung famous for saying they make the best phone then use the Korean model for reviews then DONT SELL THAT MODEL IN MANY MARKETS...

I know that gaff ......you can buy an unlocked world model Korean model sure ...it a GRAND....plus duty...and that's a real fuking.....I know because I allways but unocked phones world model.

I go to asia a lot i see them there I know what they cost...

as for the overheating issues ALL SNAPDRAGONS HAVE THAT IN THE 810.....its chip leakage on the HP 28nm process....a well known fact....the same exact problem we have in the jaguar chips in the xbox one and ps4.

leaking currant ..

overheating even worse on the Samsung chips.....yea it is go look it up. they throttle like a bitch.....BIGlittle.

all the 800 series chips are the same except some are x64 they all have the same defect it not until you clock them up they start to really leak....Samsung phones with snaps suffer this issue just like anyone else dose..

another reason I stay with the 800 over the 801 or 810 .....there nothing to gain here....

I can clock all the way up past what an 810 can.......

go to a real phone site that only dose phone reviews that been around ....and you see how well sony reviews.....and the comments....

not cnet lol what a joke you look like a noob.

as for price I use new egg for the west but that tricky at times as they have stock runs...I don't trust amazon......or ever trust ebay.....

tiger direct and there another place that not bad but if you bought that phone at a store it filled with junkware and no way will it take on even a 3 year old model.....it not even a fair test.....phone store phones are total garabge...they filled with such crap they make you wanna buy a new model every 6 month and most people do.

I keep phones for 5 years......and they run flawless it just I want more...

as for data lol you don't know what you are talking about

data means NOTHING....tmobile old network as faster then att LTE network...lol you cant measure phones by 3g 4 g it depends on the network your on.i have LTE and I only use in in asia because USA LTE is crap.

koren model galaxy uses a different cpu that isn't snap dragon. again you know nothing. everything you say is wrong. You are a sony fanboy who purchased a crap phone based on name brand. Sony electronics are just bad except for the playstation. Non fanboys know this. This sony love is almost a cult following of people buying their overpriced crap. Good thing a lot of people wised up and they lost market share to better manufacturers like samsung. Samsung, HTC, LG all make better phones then sony. You are such a fanboy it's hilarious.

Tormentos is quite the character...lol How much time does this guy invest on these forums? What we know of with the Neo & Scorpio is the basics. Everything else is all speculation; "probably" and "maybe". Wait it out, and we'll see how everything unfolds soon enough...

@darkangel115: dark it not a fanboy thing here.....sony has invented most of the major electronic things around today...they been a leader for 60 years....you want to trash sony but you have nothing to back it up with.

and talking to a fool like you who has no clue about phone tech is a total waste of time.

i do teardowns on phones and I fix some....I am also involved in android development.

you bought a store branded phone and now you know phones...lol.

your a total noob....

as for why sony don't sell in the usa market it about the yen dude...usa is not a tier 1 sony market....that's why there no sony style stores here anymore......the weak doller and strong yen ...it not worth it for sony to invest in ads here in a market they make nothing in because the yen too strong.

as for the phone market it a race to the bottom now anyway and it be all cheap Chinese brands that come in next.....2 years from now you be a jueng or chang brand I bet talking how that is better .

You have no idea who i am or what i know lol. Sony didn't leave the market, their phones just weren't selling well because USA market as a whole is less loyal and more about specs and value and sony doesn't offer either. They were top tier many years ago. in the 90s sony was the top you could get for many devices, now they are a mid tier manufacturer still trying to sell good on name alone with top tier pricing. Apple already has the market for selling mid tier devices at top tier prices. That was sonys market in the 2000s. In other words, the NA market got smart, especially with the internet and research so easy to do on products now. The majot US carriers chose not to carry Sony phones. T-moble was one of the last ones to do it and they cut off ties last year. Sony's slow update process was a big reason for that.

@darkangel115: shows what you know....Verizon had a sony the Z3v ,tmobile Z1 is not the same as my Z1 they where in demand and sony pulled the plug.....I know that for a fact......as the yen started to get stronger sony started to push back on releases even then they still wanted them as they where the only waterproff phone on the market....and it a flagship model.

it not the first time sony did this they did it on the arco s and a few other models ...the usa it not tier one sony don't care ...they did the exact same thing on the HMZ pulled it when the yen got to high and just sold it in the uk a tier 1 market.

you don't understand markets.

exchange rates are a huge deal....they can wipe out everything you make just like when oil went up and gas that the gas stations ended up owning more then they where selling the gas for with credit cards.

I know you don't grasp how that work......but to sony or japan some things are just not worth the sale.....that's why there a Japanese tech site that sells all that stuff you cant get here that handles the duty.......there a lot of stuff only released for japan some people want....the yen has a lot to do with that and the dollar.

stuff you seen on nikta or bond movies you never seen and think that don't exist really is sold outside the usa.

you can trash sony all you want but at the end of the day I know you follow a fad of what you think is cool and new but when infact it just what anyone can get a store down the road.

I bought a Z1 because I knew it be good and it has been everything I thought it be .....3 days no charge at all infact I can go 7 in low power mode....without my clip on back up battery.

I know what most people get out there Samsung cause I see them allways asking for a cord when where out....1 day...lol

I laugh so hard....

WTF.? So tell me how you can run Ultra on PC without being freaking max out.? If you put textures on Ultra and mix other things you don't really are on Ultra,in fact that would not be any better than what consoles do.

Max settings imply the maximum setting achievable by the game,that mean everything on freaking which basically would be Ultra on any game that doesn't have an ultra settings,not all games have ultra settings,that means nothing as it is a term to describe the maximum setting possible on the game.

So if High is the max a game can go yeah that can be consider as ultra for all intended purposes,you can't run higher than Ultra you can't run higher than MAX settings as simple as that,i don't even know how you dare to fu**ing challenge that notion,i guess some of you are to obsess with winning an argument.

I already quote it Max setting please find me an Ultra game that isn't running on Max settings i dare you..lol

Anything but the best if not your are another peasant mixing settings to achieve a certain goal that isn't any better than consoles.

You are such a terrible liar that you don't even remember what you posted a page before this one..lol

@tdkmillsy said:

I've been owned by speculation guessing and hope, that makes a lot of sense.

The current situation is 4.2Tflops vs 6Tflops this is what we know. The rest is speculation and we can see what happens.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMM..............

Hypocrite you try to pass the 4.2TF as FACT but the rest as speculation,this is what prompted me to call you a HYPOCRITE.

I don't know where did you get the 4.2TF from all i know is that you gave it credibility when it was also speculation but refuse to give credibility to anything else, as simple as that.

And 2nd is great to see you doing another balancing act hypocrite so OC can be done if you have a big case and a big fan without an Internal PSU.?

Wait do you know the Size of Neo.? Do you know how big its fan is.? Do you know that even with no PSU internally,being weaker,bigger and running at 5 less watts while gaming the XBO runs hotter than the PS4.? How can that freaking be when sony also has an internal PSU.

Basically what you are now trying is to justify how MS OC but some how sony can't,when sony showed twice in 2 consecutive generations how they had better cooling solution than MS had,not only that you don't know Neo's design how big or small it is,and worse a leaker on neogaf claim sony may be opting for using an external PSU.

Just say Long live MS i hate you sony and be done with it lemm.

OK lets shoot down this bullshit theory of you,there is a freaking difference between making the best product and making good of great product,the fact that the xperia Z is not the best phone doesn't mean it is bad in fact is one great phone,the S7 is just better just because you don't have the best product doesn't mean the product is BAD.

The S7 basically beat every phone out there so that would mean all other phones suck because they are not the best which is quite pathetic.

The S7 is not $200 dollars you are comparing subsidized price vs a full price,there is no fu**ing way in hell a S7 is $200 you don't know what the fu** your talking about get your facts right,that is $200 Plus the monthly fee you will be charge for it by the carrier.

https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Galaxy-S7-Factory-Unlocked/dp/B01CJU9MJI/ref=sr_1_4?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1467151832&sr=1-4&keywords=galaxy+s7

This ^^ is the S7 Edge is the international version and is $677 dollars.

• 5.5 inches (~76.1% screen-to-body ratio)
• Dual-core 2.15 GHz Kryo & dual-core 1.6 GHz Kryo; Quad-core 2.3 GHz Mongoose + quad-core 1.6 GHz Cortex-A53

https://www.amazon.com/Sony-Premium-E6853-5-5-Inch-Unlocked/dp/B0171GYNGW/ref=sr_1_2?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1467151689&sr=1-2&keywords=Xperia+Z5

This ^^ is the Xperia Z5 international version and is $576 Is $101 dollars cheaper than the S7 Edge.

• 5.5-inch with 2160 x 3840 Resolution Display
• Qualcomm MSM8994 Snapdragon 810, Quad-core 1.5 GHz Cortex-A53 & Quad-core 2 GHz Cortex-A57

Both phones look about on par to me.

http://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/Samsung-Galaxy-S7-edge,Sony-Xperia-Z5-Premium/phones/9818,9612

Pretty close to me and the Xperia Z5 premium has a 4k screen the S7 edge has a 1440p one,some things are better on the Xperia Z5 premium than on the S7 even that the Z5 came in september 2015 like what 5 or 6 months before the S7.?

But once again just because your product isn't the very best doesn't mean it is bad which is what you are trying to imply that the only good thing sony does is the PS4 which is a joke.

But then again coming from a super lemming like you what else can we expect...lol

You are so dumb that you actually believe the S7 is $200..lol

No i didn't twist anything bitter fanboy trying to act like PSU don't generate heat is a joke,so yeah if your console is running hot you save allot of problems by having an external PSU.

The PS4 design isn't NEO design another failed attend to mix 2 console that have being said already to be cosmetically different,so again what you do with the PS4 is what i did with the PS3 when i showed you how much hotter the PS3 got than the PS4,having 1 Soc at 60 degrees is nothing sony had 2 separate processors on the PS3 that generate more than 70 degrees and a huge 380 watts internal PSU,the PS4 is nothing compare to how much heat and watts the PS3 endure.

So having a 70 degrees Soc alone will not melt Neo at all.

@tormentos: The Division on Ultra isn't max settings. Plenty of games have an Ultra preset that is not max settings.

Crysis 3 max preset is Very High. There is no Ultra. Stop pretending Ultra and max are one and the same they are not. Ultra is a preset existing in the game, max is just cranking everything to the highest level. Hitman doesn't even have presets if I remember correctly. The "Ultra" claims are a complete lie.

guys as much as I like the sony vs bone war this is a total noobish thread.......there no facts to back this up at all.....wait for neo to see what it will do......and then we can laugh our asses off for a whole year when phils eats them 4K words......

I am shit sure certin the specs you saw on neo where not sony only choice....don't let some boners spook you with the 6TBAGS talk.....if it costs 650 we win they all go to pc trust me on this and they still have to meet that 4K 60 fps UNCOMPRESSED NONSENCE....

I know what phill will do he do like the 1440x1080 deal and try to print 1080p on every box when we dam well know that NOT 1080P

I sure they do some wack job resolution number like 2440 x 2160 and try to pass that off as 4K then cut the lighting and everything to get 60 fps and we both know that be bullsht as it nose dive threw the game or be some indie silly game.

it sure as sht wont be BF1 4K 60fps HDR.....I can bet the bank on it...

so please stop guessing if sony can up the clock or cooling tweeks or adding pixie dust.......there no solid leak of what sony up to anyway and knowing sony it wont leak ......

and remember most of all

IT ONLY DOSE EVERYTHING.

phil on scorpio on 1080 tv "it only dose nothing"

I'm not a "super lemming" lol what I said was sony hardware is usually mid tier for top tier + pricing. The PS4 is the exception where it launched at top tier at a lower price