Could sony release a 4k ps5 to push 4k tvs?

If so, could they even bundle a 4k tv with the ps5 to drive adoption or would they rather push vr with the system? Would it be rushing it? Is it too soon for 4k? What do you think?

Personally I think it's high time we got 4k gaming rolling, with pascal and hbm out next year along with a new and improved 14nm architecture, we could well see 4k ready machines in 2018, it would probably still be a 30 fps gen though, cause as of today even the titan x has problems running new games at 4k 60 fps and keeping in mind a new gen needs to push better visuals (not only resolution), things like higher quality textures, shadow, temporal aa, 16x af, lod, lightining etc... Is it even possible? I think if they go with 2017-2018 tech it's highly likely.

On the topic how do you feel about a 4-5 year gen? Personally I'd be delighted with a 4 year gen, the argument that this gen has no defining games and it would be too short is a moot point for me, and I'm always thrilled to see what innovation a new gen brings, saying that we're getting diminishing results is absurd to me as well, last gen games are looking so bad in comparison to this already underpowered gen it's not even funny, lastly we need consoles released on a good schedule to push graphics so that pc games can be pushed even further, as it is having to accomodate for consoles is really hindering pc gaming, 4k would be the biggest jump in visuals yet, and those who say it's diminishing results, and games would only look marginally better can keep playing with the visuals they have right now, I for one am eager to see what a 4k gen would bring to the table, speeding things up for an 8k gen in 2021-2022-2023 (depending on when the next consoles launch).

Anyone who calls me delusional knows nothing about tech advancements and what we're trully set for in the near future, it's gonna be glorious.

4K TV's will move out the door quicker and quicker. The cost for them is pretty low, if you're shooting for a mid-tier TV.

Sony and MS will no doubt push for 1080p/4k next gen. I suspect we won't be getting top-of-the-line games at 4K.

Not happy with your PS4 that you looking towards the PS5 already lol. People need to enjoy the moment and not focus on the future so much.

Next gen will come in a few years and they will be beefy enough for all your eye candy needs.

In the meantime, enjoy what we have. It isn't nearly as bad as some make it out to be.

They should have done that this gen, its crazy that Nintendo has a console with the same resolution output as PS4 and Xbox One.

Xbone shipped with a 4K cable, lol. No kidding. XD

so our PS5 games will just be like PS4 games but at a resolution we won't see on a smaller screen

I'd rather PS5 games look like PS4 games but that extra power go toward other improvements, maybe destructible environments, up the NPC count, more robust physics, better lighting and special effects, all that good stuff

There's no damn way they could've designed the PS4 with 4k ability at solid, steady frame rates unless they charged at least $1,200 for the fucking thing.

And no one would buy it

Especially since like 99% of the general population doesn't own a 4k TV.

@ultimateimp: Well ill be darn, i wonder why they dont do some 4K games.

Why would they push 4k TVs?

I mentioned that in the op, and to get all of those things we would need a much better cpu as part of amd's apu, I'm not even sure if amd's best in 2017 is up to par with the i7-4790.

They are one of the big tv manufactures along with LG and SAMSUNG.

Yes there are VIZIOS, PANASONIS, PHILIPS and the such, but they're not the big guys and would likely have less of a say in a big 4k push.

4K T.V.s are already pretty cheap. You can find Sony, Samsung, Sharp etc sets as big as 55" for less than $1,000. A console that is capable of rendering games at that resolution and at decent frames would cost twice that much. And we all know console gamers don't like spending more than $400 on a console. Not happening.

It's not so much that as I'm a big tech enthusiast and before you refer me to pcs I've been a pc gamer for most of my life.

Maybe as of right now, but tech moves forward fast, another gen stuck at 1080 would be very underwhelming, think about it if that's the case we get a new gen in 2018 (optimistic guess) and next gen last until about 2023, we'd be stuck in 1080p for how long by then? And PCs can play 4k games right now, it can only get better from here on out in that camp.

I dont know, i saw a dude build a nice 4K computer for $500. Sony can always beat PC since they can order parts in bulk, they could have done it i feel.

The xbox one is as 4k capable as obama is a president. It struggles to run most games at 1080p, 4k on the xbox one is limited to pre rendered videos, not real time gaming, and even that is iffy if netflix is complaining about current gen consoles failing to stream 4k content.

I wouldn't hold my breath, these consoles are still struggling to hit 1080p with decent performance and good assets.

The alternative would likely be even more underwhelming. You would be running games at 4k, but with current gen assets and/or shoddy performance. That resolution comes at a huge cost man. I would rather see these game worlds become more detailed and immersive than see the current standard with a crisper image quality, which is what you would get.

lol

Cinematic 10 fps.

@ConanTheStoner:

I mention that in the op, the challenge here isn't going 4k, it's going 4k with all that good stuff, these consoles need a much better cpu for the things you mentioned and I remain hopeful that 2017 tech can live up to the task.

One thing I'm skeptical of though is 4k/60fps, that's going to be very hard to achieve and they'll have to cut corners to deliver that or lower the resolution, 144fps gaming on consoles? Forget that for now.

Yeah, I won't lie, didn't read the OP at first, but now I have.

Ok, so it seems we're on the same page here. You're just far more hopeful than I am. I don't expect it to become a standard without some major sacrifices. I think at best, the hardware will be good enough to allow developers the choice, but most will shy away from it. Like we'll get the odd 2d game in 4k here and there and that's about it.

Just rock this bad boy out, the r7 260X. Youll be pimping 4K in no time.

They can barely get the PS4 to achieve 1080p.

The PS3 had problems with 720p.

At this rate, we'll have to wait for the PS7 to get 4K.

Fixed.

Unless you mean slide show gaming, then hell yes!

At what settings and frame rate?

Dont be hatin.

@mesome713: That's what I thought. You cannot build a 4K capable rig with 500$.

Man, don't play with our hearts, ps7 won't come out before 2028 the earliest, can you fathom the gap with top end pcs by then? We'd need to work on our semantics by then cause pc gamers will be so far ahead of consoles we'd need a new word for gamers on each side cause calling both gamers won't cut it if we got that large a gap.

To be fair these consoles are by far the weakest we've ever had relatively speaking. I think it was mostly due to the fact Microsoft and Sony lost so much money on PS3 and Xbox 360 hardware they didn't wanna repeat that again. If I remember correctly Sony was breaking even with the first PS4's in terms of hardware. In contrast they were losing hundreds of dollars with the first PS3's. If they don't mind losing out about 50$ for the PS5 then we could get something far more powerful.

Yeah, not for gaming. might can for $1,500.

4K?

That's old tech

No damn way I would even attempt 4k gaming on a single GPU with less than a 980.

PS4's AMD Jaguar's 256bit Intel AVXv1 SIMD instructions runs on 128bit AVX hardware and it's ready for 256bit AVX hardware update from future AMD ZEN i.e. instant 2X performance increase.

AMD added 256bit Intel AVXv1 SIMD instructions for AMD Jaguar's 128bit AVX hardware for forward compatibility and instant 2X performance increase when the new hardware arrives.

Intel already has 256bit AVXv1 hardware.

980 would be old when 14nm/16 nm GPUs arrives.

64 CU GPU fitting within the same area space as existing AMD A10 APU with 14 nm process tech.

I look at it from a different perspective. Relatively speaking, these consoles are far more powerful than any generation besides the 7th. I'm talking about power consumption.

There's only so much you can put into a console before it overheats and breaks down, the Ps3 and 360 were actually too powerful for consoles. In a way, they left expectations too high. So not only did they cost Sony and MS a ton of money, but the consoles just didn't last. That's not a sustainable model.

As for people complaining when a Ps4 game doesn't run at a solid frame rate, that's just the developers fault.

Actually, the next consoles if they use the same amount of electricity as Ps4, should automatically be a bigger jump than this gen was. We won't be going from 200 watt boxes to an 140 watt and 110 watt box, they'll just use the same amount of power but with similar efficiency gains.

Considering current gen consoles struggle with 1080p, I doubt it.

4k visuals at around 30fps will almost definitely be in the PS5. It will probably be a situation when some Games are downscaled but the vast majority will be in 4k.

I have a rig that would cost about $3500 to build today. I am not ready for 4K at the settings and framerates I want. I'm thinking I will make the jump after the next Nvidia cards next year. Consoles right now are struggling with 1080p. Maybe next gen consoles will be at 1080p with the P.R. type graphics developers want to create at a $400 price point.

You're right, tech moves forward fast. But at a cost. 4K resolutions won't hit console prices next gen. Maybe not the gen after that with all the bells and whistles gamers want.

Doubt it, coming into this gen we thought 1080p would be the absolute minimum on consoles, but that's not the case.

I doubt ps5 will provide AAA 4k content seeing how 1080p is hard to maintain on ps4. Since the ps4 is a huge success expect Sony to replicate what they did with the ps5. That means mid range cost effective hardware at launch that won't wow anyone at time of launch but get the job done as far as consoles go.

@Snugenz: The PS4 hits it about 90% of the time. AMD also already has 4k capable cards that are small form so you don't think that's reasonable they could do it in consoles 2 to 3 years from now for an affordable price?

No lol. 4k is still too expensive for the average Joe. If next gen does release in the next 3 years the consoles would be really expensive. I can't imagine people buying $800 or more consoles. At that price range you really would be better off building a PC.

PS5 talk right now is a little bit silly.

Aside from that, personally I have zero interest in "4k gaming", and I have a hard time believing that the casual market feels any different. Little Timmy is going to have a hard time asking for a 4K gaming set-up for Christmas. There isn't a big enough market for it. 1080p is nowhere near standard for console gaming right now, and it's because the demand is relatively small. There just isn't enough reason for developers (console and games) to evolve that quickly.

I'm really looking forward to 4k gaming on a console. As things stand 4k for PC requires a pretty good GPU, 1080p has been a very easy thing to do on PC for about a decade or so, considering consoles really struggle for that I don't think ps5 will reach 4k any better than xboxone does 1080p, but going over 1080p in general should be nice.

If the PS5 arrives in 2018 there is absolutely no way I could see it pushing 4K for less than $500, not even at 30 FPS

More like 99% of the time really

When it doesn't it's either been Ubisoft's crap, the 60fps battlefield games and now Black ops 3, but advanced warfare hit 1080p just fine with minimal frame drops, so BO3 is just rushed crap

The only game that actually looks like it needs to run at 900p on Ps4 is the upcoming FF 15.

@kingsfan_0333: lol this gen has been a drag

Wiiu aside it seams they can't introduce new games we are always playing the same games that don't look next gen

Ya but I think that has more to do with people's expectations being too high. People don't want to pay $600-800 for consoles, and don't want to pay over 100 dollars for games, but they want the industry to evolve exponentially. I don't remember the last time a new console was released and everybody said "wow, all these games look unbelievable" right away.

And you guys complain about the development life cycle now?!? Just wait until 4K games become the norm. It'll take either enormous studios with huge budgets or it'll take 7+ years to develop a game.

If anything the PS5 should be geared towards 1920x1080p at the highest possible framerate without cutting corners.