Cows -- Metal Gear Solid franchise is not very popular...major ownage inside

Number of PS2s sold = 111.25 Million

--> MGS 2 = 5.56 million sold

111.25 million / 5.56 million = 20 (rounded)

1 MGS2 sold for 20 PS2s :lol:

--> MGS 3 = 3.96 million sold

111.25 million / 3.96 million = 28 (rounded)

1 MGS3 sold for 28 PS2s :lol:

Number of PlayStations sold = 102.49 million

--> MGS = 5.51 million sold

102.49 million / 5.51 million = 19 (rounded)

1 MGS sold for 19 PS2s :lol:

Cows need to realize that this "popular" franchise is not all that popular given the attach rate. 

Halo and Halo 2 outsold MGS2, the best selling of the MGS games.  Do cows realize how pathetic this really is?

Number of Xboxes sold = 24.65 million

--> Halo = 6.43 million sold

24.65 million / 6.43 million = 4 (rounded)

1 Halo sold for 4 Xboxes

--> Halo 2 = 7.89 million sold

24.65 million / 7.89 million = 3 (rounded)

1 Halo 2 sold for 3 Xboxes

It is called attach rate cows.  See, MGS franchise "seems" popular, but it really isn't when you use attach rates.  See, PlayStation and PS2 outsold Xbox by over a factor of 4. 

If Xbox sold as much as PS2...

111.25 million / 24.65 million = 4.51 (rounded down)

1 Xbox sold for 4.51 PS2s sold

This is where it gets hilarious cows...

If Xbox had sold as much as PS2

Halo = 28,999,300

Halo 2 = 35,583,900

So, cows...You will have to forgive me when I :lol: when you say "Teh Metal Gear Solid franchise is teh incredibly popular!  Watch out lemmings!  The resurrection of PS3 is coming when teh MGS4 releases".  I read a post in a thread the other day that said something along the lines of this..."60% of lemmings will buy a PS3 for MGS4". :lol:

Get a clue cows.  Metal Gear Solid franchise is not nearly as popular as you think it is.  It never was.  By the time MGS4 releases, PS3 will have sold MAYBE 12 million at this rate.  Do you really think MGS4 will sell as well as you think it will?  Think again cows.  The franchise hasn't gained ANYMORE popularity since MGS1.  Look at the attach rates. 

These are the cold, hard facts.  Super Smash Bros. Melee outsold all MGS games.  Gamecube only sold around 21 million.  MGS2 was on PS2, a console that sold over 5 times more than GC.  MGS2 STILL sold less than SSBM. 

This is a wake up call for every cow thinking Kojima is going to save the PS3 miraculously.  This is a wake up call for every cow who says that MGS franchise is uber popular.  It isn't.  Two very popular franchises are Super Smash Bros. and Halo....their attach rates prove it.  MGS franchise attach rates prove that the "popularity" of this series is actually kinda laughable.  

http://vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php

http://vgchartz.com/worldcons.php

David Hayter

Having a high attatch rate is pretty easy when your console only sells 30 million.goblaa

And has a fraction of the exclusive AAA titles. 

David Hayter

gmastersexay

What's that got to do with anything? :?  Hayter's only a voice actor.

any multi million seller is considered popular

do you realize how few games even sell 1 million copies ???????????????

[QUOTE="gmastersexay"]

David Hayter

 

Hoobinator

What's that got to do with anything? :?  Hayter's only a voice actor.

Nothing the picture is Francis Ford Coppala (sp?) It came from a MGS artice from Kotaku. But it is how I feel about avid's useless rant on attachment rates. Hayter is more than a voice actor. He is alos a screenplay writer. Ever hear of the movies X-men 1 and 2?

http://kotaku.com/gaming/napalm-in-the-morning/mgs-movie-wont-be-digital-age-apocalypse-now-260722.php

any multi million seller is considered popular

 

do you realize how few games even sell 1 million copies ???????????????

tidus222

Not really. The PS2 had over 70 games which sold over 1 million. I think calling a game with over 1 million sales popular is overkill. 

Funny that, considering that Halo is Microsoft's flagship series, whereas MGS is just a very well-liked franchise that's mostly on Sony consoles. How much do you think Super Mario Bros, Nintendo's flagship series, sold back in the days of the NES and SNES?

And sales like those of the MGS series are nothing to sneeze at. Most series never reach a fraction of that success and critical acclaim.

[QUOTE="tidus222"]

any multi million seller is considered popular

 

do you realize how few games even sell 1 million copies ???????????????

Danm_999

Not really. The PS2 had over 70 games which sold over 1 million. I think calling a game with over 1 million sales popular is overkill. 

yeah but ill bet out of those 70 alot of them belonged to the same series  like madden, GTA, final fantasy etc........

 getting a series that can sell millions is impressive...

Wow didnt you post the same arguement before and got owned. Are you masochist or something? It failed then and failed now.Truth-slayer

How exactly did I fail?  Cows claim the MGS franchise is incredibly popular.  It isn't that popular based on the number of PSs and PS2s sold.  GTA IS VERY POPULAR though.  Using attach rates = no fail.  Yes, PS2 had more games on it than Xbox.  Yes, there were more titles to choose from...but that is still a pretty weak argument overall.  Xbox had plenty of titles as well.  How is it not complete ownage when SSBM (on a console that sold over 5 times less than PS2, and had less advertising as well) outsells EVERY MGS GAME on Sony consoles? 

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="tidus222"]

any multi million seller is considered popular

 

do you realize how few games even sell 1 million copies ???????????????

tidus222

Not really. The PS2 had over 70 games which sold over 1 million. I think calling a game with over 1 million sales popular is overkill.

yeah but ill bet out of those 70 alot of them belonged to the same series like madden, GTA, final fantasy etc........

getting a series that can sell millions is impressive...

Not that many actually. Here's the list:

• Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (13 million)[118][45]
• Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (12 million)[119]
• Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec (11 million)[109]
• Grand Theft Auto III (11 million)[118]
• Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty (7 million)[120]
• Kingdom Hearts (5.6 million shipped)[87]
• Final Fantasy X (5 million)[11]
• Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King (3.48 million in Japan only, 1 million outside of Japan, approximately 4.48 million)[59]
• Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (3.7 million)[121]
• Final Fantasy XII (2.38 million in Japan only,[122] 1.3 million in US only,[50] approximately 3.68 million)
• Madden NFL 2004 (3.5 million in US only)[45]
• Kingdom Hearts II (3.5 million shipped)[87]
• Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy (3.2 million)[123]
• Final Fantasy X-2 (3 million)[124]
• WWE SmackDown! vs. RAW 2006 (2.9 million)[125]
• Madden NFL 07 (2.8 million in US only)[50]
• Need for Speed: Underground (2.6 million in US only)[45]
• Medal of Honor: Frontline (2.5 million in US only)[45]
• Devil May Cry (2.16 million)[51]
• Spider-Man: The Movie (2.1 million in US only)[126]
• Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 (2.1 million in US only)[126]
• Onimusha: Warlords (2.02 million)[51]
• WWE SmackDown! vs. RAW (2 million)[125]
• Resident Evil 4 (2 million)[51]
• Onimusha 2: Samurai's Destiny (1.99 million)[51]
• ATV Offroad Fury (1.7 million in US only)[126]
• NBA Street (1.7 million in US only)[126]
• Dragon Ball Z: Budokai (1.7 million in US only)[126]
• ESPN NFL 2K5 (1.7 million in US only)[127]
• Crash Bandicoot: The Wrath of Cortex (1.7 million in US only)[127]
• Ace Combat 04: Shattered Skies (1.7 million in US only)[127]
• Devil May Cry 2 (1.7 million)[51]
• Yakuza (1.7 million)[128]
• Dragon Quest V (1.61 million in Japan only)[59]
• Max Payne (1.6 million in US only)[127]
• The Simpsons Road Rage (1.6 million in US only)[127]
• NBA Live 2005 (1.6 million in US only)[127]
• Onimusha 3: Demon Siege (1.52 million)[51]
• Midnight Club: Street Racing (1.5 million in US only)[46]
• Star Wars: Battlefront (1.5 million in US only)[46]
• James Bond 007: Agent Under Fire (1.5 million in US only)[46]
• The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (1.5 million in US only)[127]
• True Crime: Streets of LA (1.5 million in US only)[127]
• Resident Evil Outbreak (1.45 million)[51]
• Tekken Tag Tournament (1.4 million in US only)[46]
• Mortal Kombat: Deadly Alliance (1.4 million in US only)[46]
• SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs (1.4 million in US only)[46]
• Resident Evil Code: Veronica X (1.4 million)[51]
• Guitar Hero II (1.3 million in US only)[50]
• Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakening (1.3 million)[51]
• Enter the Matrix (1.2 million in US only)[46]
• Call of Duty: Finest Hour (1.2 million in US only)[47]
• NCAA Football 06 (1.2 million in US only)[47]
• Dino Crisis 2 (1.19 million)[51]
• Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2 (1.18 million)[129]
• Spider-Man 2 (1.12 million in US only)[61]
• Ratchet & Clank (1.1 million in US only)[47]
• Hitman 2: Silent Assassin (1.1 million in US only)[47]
• Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon (1.1 million in US only)[47]
• The Sims (1.1 million in US only)[47]
• WWE SmackDown! Shut Your Mouth (1.1 million in US only)[47]
• Winning Eleven 10 (1.04 million in Japan only)[130]
• God of War (1 million in US only)[131]
• ESPN NBA 2K5 (1 million in US only)[131]
• Pac-Man World 2 (1 million in US only)[131]
• MVP Baseball 2005 (1 million in US only)[131]
• Lego Star Wars: The Video Game (1 million in US only)[131]
• The Getaway (1 million in US only)[131]
• Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2004 (1 million in US only)[131]
• NCAA Football '07 (1 million in US only)[50]
• Bully (1 million)[132]
• Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories (1 million in US only)[133]

if you look at that list MGS2, and MGS3 are both in the top 10 selling ps2 games

how can you not call them popular after seeing that LOL

Funny that, considering that Halo is Microsoft's flagship series, whereas MGS is just a very well-liked franchise that's mostly on Sony consoles. How much do you think Super Mario Bros, Nintendo's flagship series, sold back in the days of the NES and SNES?

And sales like those of the MGS series are nothing to sneeze at. Most series never reach a fraction of that success and critical acclaim.

Jagazaar

I'm not saying sales are bad in any way.  I'm just saying that the franchise isn't even close to being as popular as has been stated by cows.  That was the main intention of my original post. 

Having a high attatch rate is pretty easy when your console only sells 30 million.goblaa

3 billion PC's / 3 million copies of a random PC game = 0.001%

LAWLZ. 

I hate when people (no offense TC) "steal" other user's Avatars.

I had that Shining avatar 3 months ago. :evil:

if you look at that list MGS2, and MGS3 are both in the top 10 selling ps2 games

 

how can you not call them popular after seeing that LOL

tidus222

I'd agree on that point. I just disagreed with your statement that we should consider any game that sells over 1 million popular. 

maybe not as popular as halo but can you think of 5 other xbox exclusives that sell as well as MGS?MorisUkunRasik

No Xbox exclusive has sold over 1 million. 

Honestly I don't see what the big deal is. I played a couple of them and can't stand the MGS series. I tried Splinter Cell and don't like it either. Actually I dislike the whole stealth genre.

Wait, aren't you a cow?TyrantDragon55

I bash whatever console, game, franchise I'm in the mood to bash depending on the day.  I guess you could say I'm a hypocrite.  Who cares??  It is system wars.

I hate when people (no offense TC) "steal" other user's Avatars.

I had that Shining avatar 3 months ago. :evil:

VERTIGO47

WTF!  Who are you? I'll change it if you want though.  I didn't "steal" it like you suggest I did.  I found it in Google Images.  BTW, if you aren't using it anymore, then WTF do you care if I use it?   

Halo 2 sold over half of MGS3's total sales...IN ONE DAY!  This on a console that sells 4 times less than PS2 :lol:

I'm not crazy about the Halo franchise, but this is still ownage. 

Didn't Halo 2 pass the 9.4 million mark back in June of 2006?Stevo_the_gamer

you're just asking for it for saying something like that. Also you can't really rate the popularity of a game based on         games sold : systems sold ratio crap

[QUOTE="VERTIGO47"]

I hate when people (no offense TC) "steal" other user's Avatars.

I had that Shining avatar 3 months ago. :evil:

AvIdGaMeR444

WTF!  Who are you? I'll change it if you want though.  I didn't "steal" it like you suggest I did.  I found it in Google Images.  BTW, if you aren't using it anymore, then WTF do you care if I use it?   

Dude relax :lol:

Don't change it, it's a cool avatar. I had it for awhile, until GS changed and blow up the Avatar images. I didn't feel like adjusting the Shining size, so I switched to the Kubrick image I have now. I just thought I was the only one having that Shining Image, that's all. I wanted to be original as possible.

Keep it, don't worry what I think, I was just kidding. Like I said, No offense :) 

Even if that's true, I could care less, but I see a lot of MGS fan so if I go by that your numbers mean less.tegovoltio

i think theres just a larger percentage of MGS nerds online to be honest. most people i know aren't too familiar with the game or even know its coming for PS3 --- the people i know that are looking forward to it are people i know that have had wetdreams over this game since PS1. trust me, mgs is not a system seller. if it was the psp would be doing better, lmao.

[QUOTE="Jagazaar"]

Funny that, considering that Halo is Microsoft's flagship series, whereas MGS is just a very well-liked franchise that's mostly on Sony consoles. How much do you think Super Mario Bros, Nintendo's flagship series, sold back in the days of the NES and SNES?

And sales like those of the MGS series are nothing to sneeze at. Most series never reach a fraction of that success and critical acclaim.

AvIdGaMeR444

I'm not saying sales are bad in any way. I'm just saying that the franchise isn't even close to being as popular as has been stated by cows. That was the main intention of my original post.

It seems to me like you're comparing sales figures using ratios and whatnot. To putb things in perspective, the PS2 has several big-name franchises on it, including a LOT that cater to casuals. I'm sure that several PS2s were bought by parents because it has games like Cars, Barbie/Bratz games, Ice Age etc, despite how much they might suck. Halo is a great game, but let's be honest, how many other major heavy-hitters on the Xbox can you name? I'm not going to go so far as to be a fanboy and say 'lol, everyone bought an Xbox just for Halo', but it sure is looking like Halo is by far the biggest series on it. By contrast, there were a lot of other major titles to choose from on the PS2. Sony has no flagship series, but a lot of great ones (though it's looking sketchy at the moment with the PS3, to be fair).

It's like the idea of being the biggest fish in a pond, as opposed to being a large-to-medium sized fish in a lake.

No Xbox exclusive has sold over 1 million. Danm_999

In the grand scheme of things, it's a very popular franchise.[QUOTE="Danm_999"]No Xbox exclusive has sold over 1 million. Hoffgod

Actually, you're right, mobile phones really shouldn't count as systems.

[QUOTE="tegovoltio"]Even if that's true, I could care less, but I see a lot of MGS fan so if I go by that your numbers mean less.3picuri3

i think theres just a larger percentage of MGS nerds online to be honest. most people i know aren't too familiar with the game or even know its coming for PS3 --- the people i know that are looking forward to it are people i know that have had wetdreams over this game since PS1. trust me, mgs is not a system seller. if it was the psp would be doing better, lmao.

So my firends don't count then? Because thye like MGS too. and many are casuals 

Number of PS2s sold = 111.25 Million

--> MGS 2 = 5.56 million sold

111.25 million / 5.56 million = 20 (rounded)

1 MGS2 sold for 20 PS2s :lol:

--> MGS 3 = 3.96 million sold

111.25 million / 3.96 million = 28 (rounded)

1 MGS3 sold for 28 PS2s :lol:

Number of PlayStations sold = 102.49 million

--> MGS = 5.51 million sold

102.49 million / 5.51 million = 19 (rounded)

1 MGS sold for 19 PS2s :lol:

Cows need to realize that this "popular" franchise is not all that popular given the attach rate. 

Halo and Halo 2 outsold MGS2, the best selling of the MGS games.  Do cows realize how pathetic this really is?

Number of Xboxes sold = 24.65 million

--> Halo = 6.43 million sold

24.65 million / 6.43 million = 4 (rounded)

1 Halo sold for 4 Xboxes

--> Halo 2 = 7.89 million sold

24.65 million / 7.89 million = 3 (rounded)

1 Halo 2 sold for 3 Xboxes

It is called attach rate cows.  See, MGS franchise "seems" popular, but it really isn't when you use attach rates.  See, PlayStation and PS2 outsold Xbox by over a factor of 4. 

If Xbox sold as much as PS2...

111.25 million / 24.65 million = 4.51 (rounded down)

1 Xbox sold for 4.51 PS2s sold

This is where it gets hilarious cows...

If Xbox had sold as much as PS2

Halo = 28,999,300

Halo 2 = 35,583,900

So, cows...You will have to forgive me when I :lol: when you say "Teh Metal Gear Solid franchise is teh incredibly popular!  Watch out lemmings!  The resurrection of PS3 is coming when teh MGS4 releases".  I read a post in a thread the other day that said something along the lines of this..."60% of lemmings will buy a PS3 for MGS4". :lol:

Get a clue cows.  Metal Gear Solid franchise is not nearly as popular as you think it is.  It never was.  By the time MGS4 releases, PS3 will have sold MAYBE 12 million at this rate.  Do you really think MGS4 will sell as well as you think it will?  Think again cows.  The franchise hasn't gained ANYMORE popularity since MGS1.  Look at the attach rates. 

These are the cold, hard facts.  Super Smash Bros. Melee outsold all MGS games.  Gamecube only sold around 21 million.  MGS2 was on PS2, a console that sold over 5 times more than GC.  MGS2 STILL sold less than SSBM. 

This is a wake up call for every cow thinking Kojima is going to save the PS3 miraculously.  This is a wake up call for every cow who says that MGS franchise is uber popular.  It isn't.  Two very popular franchises are Super Smash Bros. and Halo....their attach rates prove it.  MGS franchise attach rates prove that the "popularity" of this series is actually kinda laughable.  

http://vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php

http://vgchartz.com/worldcons.php

AvIdGaMeR444

[QUOTE="3picuri3"]

[QUOTE="tegovoltio"]Even if that's true, I could care less, but I see a lot of MGS fan so if I go by that your numbers mean less.tegovoltio

i think theres just a larger percentage of MGS nerds online to be honest. most people i know aren't too familiar with the game or even know its coming for PS3 --- the people i know that are looking forward to it are people i know that have had wetdreams over this game since PS1. trust me, mgs is not a system seller. if it was the psp would be doing better, lmao.

So my firends don't count then? Because thye like MGS too. and many are casuals 

according to the stats the TC posted -- no, no they don't. if you'd read it you would have realized that and wouldn't have just posted that question ;) MGS is a kids game, like it or not. it doesn't require any real gaming skills, its usually 'rail play' so it's all pre-determined to a large extent, and the bosses are usually laughable as is the story. i'm sorry, but MGS is for the most part a nerd game -- your friends might be casuals, but whether or not you'll admit it, they're also nerds :)

edit - im not slamming kid games, i own a wii, i like mario games, etc. its just that im close to 30, i know an assload of gamers - some of which actually write the reviews you guys argue about, and none of them are hardcore mgs fans. the only hardcore mgs fan i know runs a comic book store - not that there's anything wrong with that ;) just sayin.

[QUOTE="AvIdGaMeR444"][QUOTE="VERTIGO47"]

I hate when people (no offense TC) "steal" other user's Avatars.

I had that Shining avatar 3 months ago. :evil:

VERTIGO47

WTF!  Who are you? I'll change it if you want though.  I didn't "steal" it like you suggest I did.  I found it in Google Images.  BTW, if you aren't using it anymore, then WTF do you care if I use it?   

Dude relax :lol:

Don't change it, it's a cool avatar. I had it for awhile, until GS changed and blow up the Avatar images. I didn't feel like adjusting the Shining size, so I switched to the Kubrick image I have now. I just thought I was the only one having that Shining Image, that's all. I wanted to be original as possible.

Keep it, don't worry what I think, I was just kidding. Like I said, No offense :) 

Ok, cool.  Sorry for freaking out.  In off-topic forum about 4 months ago, I had a guy THREATEN ME saying he would do everything in his power to get me banned because I happened to use an avatar he had.  I actually got suspended for it for 3 days with the "intending to solely annoy user" comment from a mod.  It was so annoying.  I think that is why I was so uptight to your post.  I wasn't sure if you were joking or not.  Glad you were only kidding around. 

[QUOTE="tegovoltio"][QUOTE="3picuri3"]

[QUOTE="tegovoltio"]Even if that's true, I could care less, but I see a lot of MGS fan so if I go by that your numbers mean less.3picuri3

i think theres just a larger percentage of MGS nerds online to be honest. most people i know aren't too familiar with the game or even know its coming for PS3 --- the people i know that are looking forward to it are people i know that have had wetdreams over this game since PS1. trust me, mgs is not a system seller. if it was the psp would be doing better, lmao.

So my firends don't count then? Because thye like MGS too. and many are casuals

according to the stats the TC posted -- no, no they don't. if you'd read it you would have realized that and wouldn't have just posted that question ;) MGS is a kids game, like it or not. it doesn't require any real gaming skills, its usually 'rail play' so it's all pre-determined to a large extent, and the bosses are usually laughable as is the story. i'm sorry, but MGS is for the most part a nerd game -- your friends might be casuals, but whether or not you'll admit it, they're also nerds :)

edit - im not slamming kid games, i own a wii, i like mario games, etc. its just that im close to 30, i know an assload of gamers - some of which actually write the reviews you guys argue about, and none of them are hardcore mgs fans. the only hardcore mgs fan i know runs a comic book store - not that there's anything wrong with that ;) just sayin.

Ok I guess me my friends and MGS fans are nerd kids. I have fun with it and like the plot and everything else so if that means I'm in that category to you so be it.

You know all that is not true though.