Crackdown 3 the "downgrade king"?

Like you Cows trying to compare an AA game to an AAA one. Days Gone has been downgraded. Your eyes must be damaged from playing on playstation consoles for so long. LOL

@xhawk27: This isn't going well for you.

Like your fake hyping Crackdown 3 has been for years! LOL

Ahh, SW, the only place where people want games to fail.

@kingtito: No, I personally follow the game since announced and Scalebound had a good concept it offer. Oh well, it's gone now, I hope MS resurrect that IP one day.

LOL, Crackdown 3 is not a AA action game, it's AAA. MS marketed it as a AAA game with all that cloud talk and hyping and development for 5 years. There is absolutely nothing AA about the game except for its low quality graphics and gameplay.

MS even went on record last year and said they want Crackdown 3 to stand with Gears and Halo

Microsoft on Crackdown 3 delay: We want it to ‘sit next to Halo, Gears’

Matt Booty: Yeah. Couple layers on that one. For the first, I’ll go back to what I was talking about: support from the company. We have a lot of support from Microsoft. We want to grow, we want to expand, but part of that is we have to make games that people are proud to make. We have to make games that people love to play. Some games just need more time, and we want to get it right.

Second part is that we really want to make games that have the opportunity to become a franchise that can sit next to Halo, sit next to Gears.Now, that doesn’t mean that we want everyone of our studios to be an IP factory and that they all have to make sequels. That’s not at all what I’m saying. What I’m saying is we want a game to have the potential to give birth to a world that could expand, create characters that could have multiple iterations. We want that depth and that richness that could go on and do other things. We’ve just got to make sure that we give our games enough time to do that.

This isn't how you describe a AA game by comparing it to your 2 biggest franchises.

Stop the damage control man, it's making you look pathetic. It's a AAA MS game with a 5 year development cycle, you don't get to decide it's suddenly AA because it looks like shit after hyping it for years.

@son-goku7523: Do you mind sharing the budget of the game for the classification of triple A status. It would be greatly appreciated.

You go first, I'll wait. Share info showing us why it's a AA game despite the fact MS has spent millions on hiring Terry Crews for it and 5 years developing it with expensive cloud tech.

Can't, for I didn't make the claim of the game's status you did. So, please if you don't mind sharing the info on its budget for the triple A status. Thanks.

I have word straight from Microsoft's mouth that they want it to stand next to Gears and Halo I think that's enough proof of its triple AAA status unless you're trying to argue Gears and Halo are suddenly AA. Now you provide proof that it's a AA game.

So, you don't have information to back the claim? That's odd. It would be really strange for you to make a claim and not have backing.

That wasn't what was asked.

But you also claimed Days Gone is AAA so you need to prove that if you want to play that little game.

It's better than any proof you or the Pedro guy can come up with. You and I both know MS won't release financials on this disaster.

Oh snap! Epic reversal. Let's see him and his buddies come back from this.

So you have no data for your claim? That's all that was needed. End the discussion and move on.

Neither do you or the xhawk guy I was arguing with. I do have words straight from an Xbox exec stating their AAA intentions for the game and also 5 years of development hell to back up my claim. It's better than whatever argument you guys and xhawk are trying to make here.

I did? I can't recall this ever happening. You are more than free to provide a link demonstrating this. I look forward to addressing this double standard.

xhawk should have backed up his data, very true. They had Burden of Proof. That being said, it's the angle you should have gone with. Instead, you painted yourself into a corner. If you'd kindly read our back-and-forth, you'd not that I made no claim about the quality of CD3...

True, I'll give you that. I still provided some of the best proof in this thread to back up my claim even if its pure speculation on my part. We can't be asking for financials of every game to determine its AAA status, that's just ridiculous as most companies never give out that info freely. A lot of the time when we get numbers for how much a game cost to make it's purely unverified rumors. Setting that standard to determine the AAA status of every game released is ridiculous at best. Sometimes the best we can go on is the words from the publisher and their stated intent for a franchise.

Really? Let me refresh your memory

:)

Your move!

True that. It's the danger of making random claims. That being said, i'd agree that MS tried to push CD as a "AAA" title. I'm not sure, and I could be outright wrong. That being said, the game went through development hell, and I think it's why MS did their best to create something serviceable.

This is truly amazing. Its almost as if you don't understand the meaning of words. Please explain which part of that your "evidence" relates to me.

Did @boxrekt just quote @xhawk27 as @Pedro by mistake? Lol

BTW, it hurt to post that many @'s in a row,

It would be really sad if it was a mistake because he will need to delete his account from all the shame.

I’ll answer the cloud portion because we are seeing parellels to today. Cloud hybridization which is what MS is pitching right now is ALWAYS worse than a pure cloud or a pure local localized solution except in very specific situations.

For gaming specifically it is always best to keep non-gameplay computational as processes which can be offloaded to the cloud. Things I would consider having cloud rendered:

Hair/clothing physics not impacted by gameplay where “floatiness” would be appropriate.

AI routes

Ray tracing for Global illumination

Things you shouldn’t do in cloud:

Physics that impact game play

Graphics

Anything that requires immediate gameplay reaction

The problem with Crackdown 3 is that it was touted as the showcase for “The Cloud” but not only is it coming at the end of the generation that it was supposedly heralding but it’s main selling points from its tech demos are so poorly implemented that it makes people question “cloud” gaming. MS are preparing to release an entire platform based on the same marketing pitch they used for Crackdown 3, they either have to nail it create hype for cloud gaming or save face to prevent damaging perceive of their future xCloud service.

The cracks are starting to show in his account... He's making more and more mistakes lol.

lol no I don't need to delete my account but yes that was my mistake. Apologies.

So we can assume both Days Gone and Crackdown are AA games then?

You can. I can't because I don't know what the budgets are for these games. The budgets determine their lack off or triple A status.

Sony bend has said they started development on Days Gone in 2012. That is all the data I need.

Going by marketing push Crackdown 3 looks AAA and Days Gone looks AA

Going by presentation Days Gone looks AAA and Crackdown 3 looks AA

Perhaps they are both AA&1/2?

Link please.

Every source I've seen out there states the game started full production in 2015 a year before it was first shown at E3 2016.

Crackdown 3 was first shown in E3 2014, 2 yeas before Days Gone was first shown. If you're using pre-production as the starting time for game development then you're not vey bright. Almost every AAA game has years of pre-production before it goes into full production.

So, you subscribe to just making stuff up?

BS. Crackdown 3 was not first shown at E3 2014. That was only a CGI concept trailer. You must not be very bright to even bring this up.

@kingtito: There's only a handful of Lems on this site. Why would I mention them? Someone already listed the quotes of Lems who are buying this game(even though they have gamepass??) Or just said it looks really fun, day one etc. It's not the usual hype. Just way more hype than this game deserves. I will say there are way too many cow threads on this game though. Don't kick a dog when it's down.

Interesting. CGI trailer or not it was first announced there, you're not refuting my point. I never specifically stated whether it was shown in playable form.

Hell, that E3 2015 destruction cloud demo was a tech demo and might as well be CGI based on the shit the final game is turning out to be. It's all smoke and mirrors, fact remains it was first shown there.

@xhawk27: I agree... It'll be one of Sony's least popular exclusive of the big 5 coming out(tlou, ghost, death stranding, dreams and this). If it stays in the 8-9 range, that'll be pretty good.

Beyond Monsieur's scope? Do you know him? Check his post history.

It doesn't matter to me because I never thought Crackdown 3 was going to be this big AAA game to begin with. I thought it was going to be a current gen successor to Crackdown 1. The Cloud destruction I thought could be good but last November at X018 they showed it and knew it was cut back a lot. Still people that played it there said wreckzone had some promise to it.

No downgrade its just a Crackdown Game with awesome new cloud computing tech which will only be expanded upon for future games as devs find new ways to harness it.

Crackdown is def. Not a "AAA" type game. For one the game is developed by independent studio Sumo Digital, MS only assisted with getting the cloud computing infrastructure set(which will enable growth with the new tool for future games). Even when talking with the Creative Director Joe Staten, the main take away besides giving Crackdown fans what they want, is to also showcase the cloud computing so other devs can take it and run new ideas. EA is doing it with Project Atlas and Epic purchased Cloudgine which Crackdown 3 was originally using, might seem basic in Crackdown 3 but its going to grow.

The game will score around 6 and be average but sure as heck will be fun.

Fanboys and alts are different things

What did I make up? I put a question mark.

It's called having an open discussion but I see you're got too much pent up anger and fanboyism to have a normal discussion so I'll leave you to your passive aggressive fits.

This kind of super aggressive attitude from you overly sensitive xbox guys is getting really old.

That's your personal opinion and doesn't change the fact that MS has approached this game's development and promotion like it's a AAA game.

A lot of people feel misled after all these years of hype and you can't blame them by saying that you personally "knew it wasn't AAA". MS has been giving conflicting messages with this game. You can't bring a game on stage at E3, claim it's going to usher in a new era of cloud compute gaming, claim it will stand "next to Gears and Halo" then suddenly turn around and claim your game is AA, that's not how things work.

Call out a Lemming for what? I didn't make a claim, you did. Evidence on my part is irrelevant.

Your projection is astounding? Keep up the good work.

What is this drivel? You accused him of something, yet won't back it up. I know @MonsieurX, and the dude calls out anybody. I have no need to prove anything, because I responded to your initial claim.