CryEngine 3 > CryEngine 2

It's System Wars. So I understand to see back and forth arguments based on telephone-style facts. It seems to be especially worse with CryEngine 3 being displayed, so let me just throw down some facts.

Fact: CryEngine 3 > CryEngine 2

CryEngine 3 is the continuation of the CryEngine 2 development. They did not start their engine all over, or rip out pieces of it.

One of the new features in CryEngine 3 is the ability for the engine to run on the 360 and the PS3, along for getting ready for future unannounced systems

Just because it runs on the PS3 and 360, does not mean that Crysis, as it is, can run on the PS3 and 360.

However, it also does not imply that because the 360 and PS3 demos look worse then Crysis, that CryEngine 3 is worse then CryEngine 3

A Engine simply drives the rest of the game. It is the one responsible for routing all the computation calls. It handles the graphics, physics, sound, etc. It also handles what features are on, and what features are off.

What was demo'ed at GDC was the capability of the engine, to run at a certain quality setting, on a 360 and a PS3. It did not show all of it's abilities -- quite clearly.

What we are yet to see, and will see is CryEngine 3 running with it's restraints removed on a PC down the line.

Please, stop being foolish. The number of random statements made over the past few days since the release of the demo are absurd. Please learn some game development basics before spouting "facts" that are clearly based off of ignorance.

Finally someone with common sense.404-not-found

[QUOTE="404-not-found"]Finally someone with common sense.Stevo_the_gamer

CE3 on the PC will look better than Crysis if they use it correctly. This is painfully obvious. Why did this need a topic? The only thing I found important in the first post was "This does not mean Crysis can run on consoles".

Until we see PC shots and tech demos of Crengine 3 running on PC, this is mostly conjecture. Although I would not be surprised if it had added advantages over Cryengine 2. Much like UE3-3.5. We'll just have to wait and see

Yes, and defended my position. If you are not able to refute my points, then please troll somewhere else.Mehdi1984

So CE3 is not just updated soley for the use on consoles, and it is another version of CE2 essentially? Alot of people have been saying that that's not the case, and the chances are your right. I wish people would stop stating things they think they know as if they are 100% they know what they are talking about, espically with sales. Thanks for clarifying if this is indeed correct.

Until we see PC shots and tech demos of Crengine 3 running on PC, this is mostly conjecture. Although I would not be surprised if it had added advantages over Cryengine 2. Much like UE3-3.5. We'll just have to wait and see

lundy86_4

[QUOTE="Mehdi1984"]Yes, and defended my position. If you are not able to refute my points, then please troll somewhere else.Stevo_the_gamer

You do realise that's not the same person, right? This is ironic....

So CE3 is not just updated soley for the use on consoles, and it is another version of CE2 essentially? Alot of people have been saying that that's not the case, and the chances are your right. I wish people would stop stating things they think they know as if they are 100% they know what they are talking about, espically with sales. Thanks for clarifying if this is indeed correct.

Ek-Andy

If you have a 4 bedroom house, and you want to now have a 6 bedroom house on the same property. You don't knock down the house and make a new one, you ADD 2 rooms to it. This is how software is developed. When Adobe Photoshop releases a new version.... they are NOT removing all the code they wrote, and starting from scratch. They are adding MORE code, and REFACTORING code, to make it do MORE.

In other words, at the very least CE3 is capable of doing everything CE2 does.

[QUOTE="Mehdi1984"][QUOTE="Toriko42"]I think with CryEngine 3 we'll see Crysis on the consoles to show us it's capabilities. Hell they even showed shots of the Island. On the other hand CryEngine 2 is better due to modders being able to continually increase it's luster. Toriko42

I don't think you can mod an engine without having access to it. Only the original developers can alter the engine. If you mean Crysis, then that's a mod for Crysis, not the engine. Not to mention it's an upgraded version of the same engine, in theory, so it shouldn't be too diffrent to make mods for CE3 if the original modders are experienced for making mods for CE2 games, if actual engines make a diffrence in moding that is.

[QUOTE="Ek-Andy"]

So CE3 is not just updated soley for the use on consoles, and it is another version of CE2 essentially? Alot of people have been saying that that's not the case, and the chances are your right. I wish people would stop stating things they think they know as if they are 100% they know what they are talking about, espically with sales. Thanks for clarifying if this is indeed correct.

Mehdi1984

Newer version is the same as saying another version, there is no clarification nessecary. By saying another, there must have been something to come before it, hence it it is inherently a newer version. Also by saying version you already sugest it's an alteration as long as you are refering the the same thing, which I did by saying "another".

Yo do know that CryEngine 2 can be used on consoles too, right? And it's also licensed for MMOs.

http://www.crytek.com/technology/cryengine-2/specifications/

All this CE3 talk is propaganda. Last year at Leipzig (in August) they said their new engine will be ready around 2012, and In the latter part of 2009 is when Yerli expects Crytek to begin full production in its next engine.

But also: As of right now, Crytek is still working to increase efficiency with its CryEngine 2 for PC, Xbox 360, and PlayStation 3 platforms.

CE3 is just CE2 with the overhauled editor that will come with the next Crysis Wars patch slapped on it.

Edit: added source

http://au.pc.ign.com/articles/899/899974p1.html

Maybe, but if that was the case you would think that they had shown it off too, it just makes it seem like CE3 is a downgraded CE2 optimized for consoles. Thena gain maybe they just didn't want to make the contrast between the systems too obvious, smart decision, as it is most console gamers are awed by the clip while if it had ran alongside a pc the reaction would prolly been the opposite.mr_mozilla

CE3 appears to be downgraded, because it's running on inferior hardware.

Yo do know that CryEngine 2 can be used on consoles too, right? And it's also licensed for MMOs.

http://www.crytek.com/technology/cryengine-2/specifications/

All this CE3 talk is propaganda. Last year at Leipzig (in August) they said their new engine will be ready around 2012, and In the latter part of 2009 is when Yerli expects Crytek to begin full production in its next engine.

But also: As of right now, Crytek is still working to increase efficiency with its CryEngine 2 for PC, Xbox 360, and PlayStation 3 platforms.

CE3 is just CE2 with the overhauled editor that will come with the next Crysis Wars patch slapped on it.

Edit: added source

http://au.pc.ign.com/articles/899/899974p1.html

Baranga

Maybe, but if that was the case you would think that they had shown it off too, it just makes it seem like CE3 is a downgraded CE2 optimized for consoles. Thena gain maybe they just didn't want to make the contrast between the systems too obvious, smart decision, as it is most console gamers are awed by the clip while if it had ran alongside a pc the reaction would prolly been the opposite.mr_mozilla

Well the chances are the diffrences between CE2 and 3 wont be too significant on computer systems anyway, so chances are they don't want to display footage this early, as people are going to be realy disapointed with what they see with CE3. They probably want to create a market for the consoles with CE3, and this would seem to be the way to do it. My guess is Crytek are going to be branching out to console development, and with the aquistion of Free Radical, primarily (Infact I think exclusively) console developers, it seems fairly likely.

[QUOTE="mr_mozilla"]Maybe, but if that was the case you would think that they had shown it off too, it just makes it seem like CE3 is a downgraded CE2 optimized for consoles. Thena gain maybe they just didn't want to make the contrast between the systems too obvious, smart decision, as it is most console gamers are awed by the clip while if it had ran alongside a pc the reaction would prolly been the opposite.Ek-Andy

Well the chances are the diffrences between CE2 and 3 wont be too significant on computer systems anyway, so chances are they don't want to display footage this early, as people are going to be realy disapointed with what they see with CE3. They probably want to create a market for the consoles with CE3, and this would seem to be the way to do it. My guess is Crytek are going to be branching out to console development, and with the aquistion of Free Radical, primarily (Infact I think exclusively) console developers, it seems fairly likely.

[QUOTE="404-not-found"]Finally someone with common sense.Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Until we see PC shots and tech demos of Crengine 3 running on PC, this is mostly conjecture. Although I would not be surprised if it had added advantages over Cryengine 2. Much like UE3-3.5. We'll just have to wait and see

Mehdi1984

I agree with you completely, but it's also not fact. The logical progression would be to take the engine further, but it is conjecture to think it will be better. It's just the correct phraseology. I just used the right wording, so if you want to bash me on my English skills then that's all you can about do.

[QUOTE="Mehdi1984"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Until we see PC shots and tech demos of Crengine 3 running on PC, this is mostly conjecture. Although I would not be surprised if it had added advantages over Cryengine 2. Much like UE3-3.5. We'll just have to wait and see

lundy86_4

I agree with you completely, but it's also not fact. The logical progression would be to take the engine further, but it is conjecture to think it will be better. It's just the correct phraseology. I just used the right wording, so if you want to bash me on my English skills then that's all you can about do.

Is this a trap? Yes, no, yes, no, yes, no, maybe....

Hmmmm...

Not sure if it's worth pointing this out for risk of sounding dumb... Not much to lose anyway, ok.

I believe the correct grammar is "...that's about all you can do."

Also, did you mean you used the right or wrong wording? I'm a bit confused.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="404-not-found"]Finally someone with common sense.lettuceman44

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="Mehdi1984"] It's not conjecture. It is absolutely ignorant and/or uninformed to think that CryEngine 3 is worse then CryEngine 2. No developer is going to stop production on their product, and start a completely different one -- especially with a game engine. There is NO REASON to. There is nothing stopping them to take CryEngine2, and add functionality to it so that it can run in some form on a console. Once again, if this concept doesn't make sense, then your understanding of what engines are is a bit off.Ek-Andy

I agree with you completely, but it's also not fact. The logical progression would be to take the engine further, but it is conjecture to think it will be better. It's just the correct phraseology. I just used the right wording, so if you want to bash me on my English skills then that's all you can about do.

Is this a trap? Yes, no, yes, no, yes, no, maybe....

Hmmmm...

Not sure if it's worth pointing this out for risk of sounding dumb... Not much to lose anyway, ok.

I believe the correct grammar is "...that's about all you can do."

Also, did you mean you used the right or wrong wording? I'm a bit confused.

:P thank you for pointing out my inadequacy :cry:

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="404-not-found"]Finally someone with common sense.lettuceman44

Finally someone with common sense.404-not-found

You do realise that's not the same person, right? This is ironic....Ek-Andy

[QUOTE="Ek-Andy"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

I agree with you completely, but it's also not fact. The logical progression would be to take the engine further, but it is conjecture to think it will be better. It's just the correct phraseology. I just used the right wording, so if you want to bash me on my English skills then that's all you can about do.

lundy86_4

Is this a trap? Yes, no, yes, no, yes, no, maybe....

Hmmmm...

Not sure if it's worth pointing this out for risk of sounding dumb... Not much to lose anyway, ok.

I believe the correct grammar is "...that's about all you can do."

Also, did you mean you used the right or wrong wording? I'm a bit confused.

:P Thank you for pointing out my inadequacy. :cry:

You're welcome, as I'm feeling generous I will also correct your lack of capital and full stop.:twisted:

On the flip side I didn't know phraseology was a word :o.

[QUOTE="Ek-Andy"]You do realise that's not the same person, right? This is ironic....Stevo_the_gamer

Oh, was just the way you said it. It looked like you were referring to the person you were quoting.

Oh, was just the way you said it. It looked like you were referring to the person you were quoting.Ek-Andy

I will believe that statement when we see the PC version

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="Ek-Andy"]

Is this a trap? Yes, no, yes, no, yes, no, maybe....

Hmmmm...

Not sure if it's worth pointing this out for risk of sounding dumb... Not much to lose anyway, ok.

I believe the correct grammar is "...that's about all you can do."

Also, did you mean you used the right or wrong wording? I'm a bit confused.

Ek-Andy

:P Thank you for pointing out my inadequacy. :cry:

You're welcome, as I'm feeling generous I will also correct your lack of capital and full stop.:twisted:

On the flip side I didn't know phraseology was a word :o.

yup... I just get lazy on internet forums, if this were a uni paper, I would be all over it like white on rice.

its just a downgraded engine so that it can run on a the 360 n ps3 .... only way to prove me wrong is to show the pc version

[QUOTE="Ek-Andy"]Oh, was just the way you said it. It looked like you were referring to the person you were quoting.Stevo_the_gamer

I didn't remember the thread :P.

Still, you can't say just because you disagree with someone completely on one thing that you must there for disagree with everything else he/she says. This is not common sense though, it's not common knowledge as to what a video game engine actually is, and it isn't even known exactly what CE3 is going to be when it is finally released, but this is a fairly solid logic that has nothing to do with the TC's opinion on Halo Wars.

[QUOTE="Ek-Andy"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

:P Thank you for pointing out my inadequacy. :cry:

lundy86_4

You're welcome, as I'm feeling generous I will also correct your lack of capital and full stop.:twisted:

On the flip side I didn't know phraseology was a word :o.

yup... I just get lazy on internet forums, if this were a uni paper, I would be all over it like white on rice.

I've never really understood that phrase. I mean the white isn't really on the rice, the rice was white in the first place. Nothing (As far as I know.) has been applied to it to give it the properties of being white, it's not like a white coating or anything, it's just white, it's not white on the rice, the rice is in fact white. Wait, what...?

How far is CE3 meant to be in development anyway? I didn't know it exsisted before the release of that trailer.

[QUOTE="lettuceman44"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]This is the same guy which stated Halo Wars was the worst RTS of 2009...mo0ksi

Soviet Assault is totally awesome, but too expensive - 20 dollars/Euro (Steam European pricing lolfail) is way too much for only 6 SP maps. Even though they're amazing. Buying the retail pack is the real deal.

EndWar is a POS, and Stormrise is epic fail. Both are worse than Halo Wars.

It's System Wars. So I understand to see back and forth arguments based on telephone-style facts. It seems to be especially worse with CryEngine 3 being displayed, so let me just throw down some facts.

Fact: CryEngine 3 > CryEngine 2

CryEngine 3 is the continuation of the CryEngine 2 development. They did not start their engine all over, or rip out pieces of it.

One of the new features in CryEngine 3 is the ability for the engine to run on the 360 and the PS3, along for getting ready for future unannounced systems

Just because it runs on the PS3 and 360, does not mean that Crysis, as it is, can run on the PS3 and 360.

However, it also does not imply that because the 360 and PS3 demos look worse then Crysis, that CryEngine 3 is worse then CryEngine 3

A Engine simply drives the rest of the game. It is the one responsible for routing all the computation calls. It handles the graphics, physics, sound, etc. It also handles what features are on, and what features are off.

What was demo'ed at GDC was the capability of the engine, to run at a certain quality setting, on a 360 and a PS3. It did not show all of it's abilities -- quite clearly.

What we are yet to see, and will see is CryEngine 3 running with it's restraints removed on a PC down the line.

Please, stop being foolish. The number of random statements made over the past few days since the release of the demo are absurd. Please learn some game development basics before spouting "facts" that are clearly based off of ignorance.

Mehdi1984

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="Ek-Andy"]

You're welcome, as I'm feeling generous I will also correct your lack of capital and full stop.:twisted:

On the flip side I didn't know phraseology was a word :o.

Ek-Andy

yup... I just get lazy on internet forums, if this were a uni paper, I would be all over it like white on rice.

I've never really understood that phrase. I mean the white isn't really on the rice, the rice was white in the first place. Nothing (As far as I know.) has been applied to it to give it the properties of being white, it's not like a white coating or anything, it's just white, it's not white on the rice, the rice is in fact white. Wait, what...?

How far is CE3 meant to be in development anyway? I didn't know it exsisted before the release of that trailer.

haha you're over thinking things :P true though, it doesn't make much sense, but then again quite a few sayings don't.

In terms of CE3, i'm not 100%. I would think it's still got a little work left to go, but for the most part, it seems to be up and running.

[QUOTE="mo0ksi"][QUOTE="lettuceman44"]Then he has common sense.Baranga

Soviet Assault is totally awesome, but too expensive - 20 dollars/Euro (Steam European pricing lolfail) is way too much for only 6 SP maps. Even though they're amazing. Buying the retail pack is the real deal.

EndWar is a POS, and Stormrise is epic fail. Both are worse than Halo Wars.

[QUOTE="Mehdi1984"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Until we see PC shots and tech demos of Crengine 3 running on PC, this is mostly conjecture. Although I would not be surprised if it had added advantages over Cryengine 2. Much like UE3-3.5. We'll just have to wait and see

lundy86_4

I agree with you completely, but it's also not fact. The logical progression would be to take the engine further, but it is conjecture to think it will be better. It's just the correct phraseology. I just used the right wording, so if you want to bash me on my English skills then that's all you can about do.

Let me make this simple. Why would they need to (a) remake the engine or (b) downgrade it, when they would instead create an 360 / PS3 API interface to the engine?

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="Mehdi1984"] It's not conjecture. It is absolutely ignorant and/or uninformed to think that CryEngine 3 is worse then CryEngine 2. No developer is going to stop production on their product, and start a completely different one -- especially with a game engine. There is NO REASON to. There is nothing stopping them to take CryEngine2, and add functionality to it so that it can run in some form on a console. Once again, if this concept doesn't make sense, then your understanding of what engines are is a bit off.Mehdi1984

I agree with you completely, but it's also not fact. The logical progression would be to take the engine further, but it is conjecture to think it will be better. It's just the correct phraseology. I just used the right wording, so if you want to bash me on my English skills then that's all you can about do.

Dude i'm not questioning anything about the engine. What are you going on about it for? Plus most engines are designed around scalability, which I believe Cryengine 3 is. It's been coded to work with consoles, but it will probably be able to scale much higher for use with PC's.

You're arguing about the engine, when I was never doing o to begin with :P You misunderstood what I meant. Sorry

Dude i'm not questioning anything about the engine. What are you going on about it for? Plus most engines are designed around scalability, which I believe Cryengine 3 is. It's been coded to work with consoles, but it will probably be able to scale much higher for use with PC's.

You're arguing about the engine, when I was never doing o to begin with :P You misunderstood what I meant. Sorry

lundy86_4