Crysis 2 a step backwards?

Not so much a step backwards as just flat-out missing a step and falling down 20 flights of stairs to it's horrific death.

Oh wait, you're talking about graphics, not gameplay... :|

Not so much a step backwards as just flat-out missing a step and falling down 20 flights of stairs to it's horrific death.

Master_ShakeXXX

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

Not so much a step backwards as just flat-out missing a step and falling down 20 flights of stairs to it's horrific death.

AAllxxjjnn

Dude, I already explained it in the other thread. Yeah, sure, the game could be awesome and I could be totally owning myself right now, but as of yet there hasn't been any gameplay videos to suggest this game wont suck. It just looks generic and boring in the true sense of the words.

It doesn't even matter because the TC is speaking in terms of graphics. I don't argue over shallow things such as that.

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"][QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

Not so much a step backwards as just flat-out missing a step and falling down 20 flights of stairs to it's horrific death.

Master_ShakeXXX

Dude, I already explained it in the other thread. Yeah, sure, the game could be awesome and I could be totally owning myself right now, but as of yet there hasn't been any gameplay videos to suggest this game wont suck. It just looks generic and boring inthe true sense of the words.

You're free to think it looks boring, but your explanation for why is weird, because you can still use the suit strategically and survey your environment. Pay attention to the videos and piece things together, the freedom is still there. The environments we've seen are still fairly large and open, this time with an extra layer of verticality on top. If the environments still feel natural and act as a sandbox, it won't be like anything on the market. Smaller environments do not inherently make Crysis generic and boring. There were areas of Crysis which weren't all that large, yet it still let you tackle things how you wanted. The levels don't need to be the size of the largest area in Crysis to allow you freedom.

Take away the suit, interactivity with the environment, sandbox level design, real-time weapon modding, and throw the player into a CoD sty1e level and you've got yourself generic. Nothing we've shown suggests the levels are designed like CoD.

You're passing judgement on a game without all the details. It's like me seeing a video of Vanquish without someone using the suits abilities. Generic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shZzYkpl5Nk&feature=related

This looks pretty damn close to the Crysis 1 screen.

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"] So, are you ever gonna even attempt back up why that is? AAllxxjjnn

Dude, I already explained it in the other thread. Yeah, sure, the game could be awesome and I could be totally owning myself right now, but as of yet there hasn't been any gameplay videos to suggest this game wont suck. It just looks generic and boring inthe true sense of the words.

You're free to think it looks boring, but your explanation for why is weird, because you can still use the suit strategically and survey your environment. Pay attention to the videos and piece things together, the freedom is still there. The environments we've seen are still fairly large and open, this time with an extra layer of verticality on top. If the environments still feel natural and act as a sandbox, it won't be like anything on the market. Smaller environments do not inherently make Crysis generic and boring. There were areas of Crysis which weren't all that large, yet it still let you tackle things how you wanted. The levels don't need to be the size of the largest area in Crysis to allow you freedom.

Take away the suit, interactivity with the environment, sandbox level design, real-time weapon modding, and throw the player into a CoD sty1e level and you've got yourself generic. Nothing we've shown suggests the levels are designed like CoD.

You're passing judgement on a game without all the details. It's like me seeing a video of Vanquish without someone using the suits abilities. Generic.

Why in the hell wouldn't they show that stuff though? Being that the series originated on PC you'd think Crytek wouldn't wanna piss off their core fan-base. They're only showing off footage from the console versions, showing multiplayer videos that are so boring they could put an 8 year old hyped up on mountain due to sleep, and not only that, but using demonstrators who could quite possibly be some of the worst gamers I have ever seen. They arn't showing off the potential size of the environments and ways how you can effectly use them to your advantage. The environments may be bigger than your typical corridor shooter, but it still looks to be playing like one. It's like they WANT me to think the game is gonna suck...

I can't quite fully explain it. When I'm looking at videos of Crysis 2, I just don't really see that "coolness" that I saw in videos of the original. And don't think I'm deriving some kind of pleasure from hating on this game. Believe me, I was pretty pumped when I heard it was coming to consoles. I said to myself "freakin sweet. I finally get to experience the awesome that is Crysis!". Been dissapointed thus far, but it would begreat if I am wrong.

Hmm modded picture of Crysis VS console picture of Crysis 2, versus what looks like the Wii version of Far Cry. What a fair comparison.bobbetybob

:lol:

and I would expect nothing less from my beloved System Wars.

"on occasion elements which work on the PC version but aren't able to scale down to the consoles, simply don't go in."

Levels can only be as large as consoles support, there can only be as many polygons as will run on consoles (reducing on screen objects), there can only be as many AI on screen as will run on consoles.

Not everything can be scaled.

(...)There's no way in hell Nvidia is letting them put it out looking the way it does in those screens. I guarantee it will look amazing.

psn8214

Hmm modded picture of Crysis VS console picture of Crysis 2, versus what looks like the Wii version of Far Cry. What a fair comparison.bobbetybob

Something else impacted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0dP8EEMN0k

Since CryEngine 3 uses deferred lighting, it will struggle with traditional AA. So they are now having to experiment with alternatives.

Not at all. NY is much harder to render due to the destroyed building with diffirent labels on them. its harder to make a city yet linear enviroment to run well rather a jungle evniroment with repettive vegetation and terrain. Dont forget crysis 2 is filled with various objects everywhere. Oh and please dont compare with that crysis 1 bullshot that is nowhere near the actual game.dakan45

Foliage is the only true test of a game's graphical mettle :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shZzYkpl5Nk&feature=related

This looks pretty damn close to the Crysis 1 screen.

Heyhuub

[QUOTE="dakan45"]Not at all. NY is much harder to render due to the destroyed building with diffirent labels on them. its harder to make a city yet linear enviroment to run well rather a jungle evniroment with repettive vegetation and terrain. Dont forget crysis 2 is filled with various objects everywhere. Oh and please dont compare with that crysis 1 bullshot that is nowhere near the actual game.Kane04

There is that, there is the number of diffirent objects and there is the advanced lighting. As for polygons? Honestly some of those buildings they showed are far more complicated than a bunch of trees.

dakan45

[QUOTE="dakan45"]

There is that, there is the number of diffirent objects and there is the advanced lighting. As for polygons? Honestly some of those buildings they showed are far more complicated than a bunch of trees.

Kane04

Something else impacted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0dP8EEMN0k

Since CryEngine 3 uses deferred lighting, it will struggle with traditional AA. So they are now having to experiment with alternatives.

AnnoyedDragon

Crysis couldn't apply AA to vegetation (which made up 50% of the scenery), anyway. Regardless, the advantages of having deferred lighting far outweigh the disadvantages of having to use alternative AA techniques.

Crysis couldn't apply AA to vegetation (which made up 50% of the scenery), anyway. Regardless, the advantages of having deferred lighting far outweigh the disadvantages of having to use alternative AA techniques.

NotTarts

There are urban environments in Crysis you know? Plus the gun/hand models in your face 99% of the time. Handling transparancy is another problem, though there are performance intensive ways of getting around it.

I like using AA for the record, you may very well not care; but that doesn't obligate me not to.

Far Cry looks way better than that, and the screenshots of Crysis you're using are from E3 and don't represent the actual game. That being said Crysis 2 will not be very innovative on the graphics front, and I'm worried it will lose Crytek's open world brand of gameplay.

why are they hiding the PC version? i want to see some really good gameplay footage :(.

I dunno, the MP beta on the 360 looked pretty decent:

NotTarts

Those Crysis 1 screenshot are what the Dev's said it was going to be like, but I don't think it ever reached that level of detail

That Crysis pic, is that how it looks without mods?

I think this pics says it all really.

mattuk69

OMG!

Comparing a not even maxed screen of Farcry to a pic of Crysis that isn't even inside the game, and then even compare that Crysis pic to a pic of the console version of Crysis 2?

That Crysis pic, is that how it looks without mods?

Chutebox

No. It's just different lightning settings. You can easily make Crysis look like that.

That Crysis pic, is that how it looks without mods?

Chutebox

Even with mods and playing around with the TOD it is not certain that Crysis would look like the footage that pic came from.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

That Crysis pic, is that how it looks without mods?

glez13

Even with mods and playing around with the TOD it is not certain that Crysis would look like the footage that pic came from.

Everyone seems afraid to spam. I'm not. Here's vanilla Crysis. High at the start of Relic:

The end of Recovery. I think the default lighting in Crysis (not Warhead) is the most realistic. I think the folks in the Philippines, Honduras, or Colombia would agree.

Somebody also mentioned there's no AA in the foliage of Crysis. I could've sworn there is. Perhaps not with the coconut tree leaves. But most everything else seem to have it.

Don't worry, you're getting your tesselation-heavy GeForce GTX 580 optimizations ;)

Although I believe many will still like Crysis 1 over 2 due to the later taking place in a city which simply doesn't have as many lush trees as a jungle does :P

Those Crysis 1 screenshot are what the Dev's said it was going to be like, but I don't think it ever reached that level of detail

Supabul

As was posted in this thread in a couple of times:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shZzYkpl5Nk&feature=related

My main concern about the artistic designs and choices in Crysis 2 are: when they talked about to migrate to urban jungle I didn't mind New York. for urban warfare I understand small to middle towns with buildings with 3-4 floors at most, environments as Mashtur City, Sharqui Peninsula or Road To Jalalabad as in the Battlefield 2 maps.

This is due in a city as New York you known that the skyline is huge, and the game will happen in an environment in which most of the buildings will not be accessible. You known that they will not let you to enter in a skyscrapper and maraud 50 floors: would be stupid, boring and a waste of time and effort. For this reason "urban warfare" with small buildings, in which you can reach the roofs and move freely are a much better concept. NYC lacks sense: most of the environments will show you surrounded by useless, huge building that will have 0% impact in the gameplay. Think about Crysis 1, in the game you can climb to the summit of any of the human buildings you see; this no longer will be true in Crysis 2.

[QUOTE="psn8214"]

(...)There's no way in hell Nvidia is letting them put it out looking the way it does in those screens. I guarantee it will look amazing.

Kane04

A 2 million dollar say. I personally think the game looks boring, but man, it's going to look amazing.

crysis 2 will sell better on the hd consoles witch are killing gaming .

I would love to have this game but unfortunetly i need a computer from 2021 in order to play it.

_CaptainHappy_

u could always change the settings :P

Those Crysis 1 screenshot are what the Dev's said it was going to be like, but I don't think it ever reached that level of detail

Supabul

[QUOTE="Supabul"]

Those Crysis 1 screenshot are what the Dev's said it was going to be like, but I don't think it ever reached that level of detail

strangeisland