Crysis 2 details in EDGE

Yes, blame the consoles and not the devs. That is just silly. Maybe you should start a petition, I hear they work really well. Just look at MW2, its all the way down to #6 on the top Steam sales.

KalEl370

Of course I'll blame the consoles. They don't have the hardware to run crysis like it was on PC so the devs had to sacrifice. Really now why would I blame the devs for the limitations of consoles?

[QUOTE="KalEl370"]

Yes, blame the consoles and not the devs. That is just silly. Maybe you should start a petition, I hear they work really well. Just look at MW2, its all the way down to #6 on the top Steam sales.

Of course I'll blame the consoles. They don't have the hardware to run crysis like it was on PC so the devs had to sacrifice. Really now why would I blame the devs for the limitations of consoles?

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="KalEl370"]

Yes, blame the consoles and not the devs. That is just silly. Maybe you should start a petition, I hear they work really well. Just look at MW2, its all the way down to #6 on the top Steam sales.

mtradr43

Of course I'll blame the consoles. They don't have the hardware to run crysis like it was on PC so the devs had to sacrifice. Really now why would I blame the devs for the limitations of consoles?

No one, it was a design choice made by the devs, but this time it isn't even a choice and if it's even linear than warhead it comes into corridor shooter territory!

[QUOTE="KalEl370"]

Yes, blame the consoles and not the devs. That is just silly. Maybe you should start a petition, I hear they work really well. Just look at MW2, its all the way down to #6 on the top Steam sales.

Espada12

Of course I'll blame the consoles. They don't have the hardware to run crysis like it was on PC so the devs had to sacrifice. Really now why would I blame the devs for the limitations of consoles?

I'd blame the devs for making the decision or, more realistically, the **** pirates that keep a lot of devs from staying PC exclusive. Stop blowing **** out of proportions, broseph. :P

[QUOTE="KalEl370"]

Yes, blame the consoles and not the devs. That is just silly. Maybe you should start a petition, I hear they work really well. Just look at MW2, its all the way down to #6 on the top Steam sales.

Espada12

Of course I'll blame the consoles. They don't have the hardware to run crysis like it was on PC so the devs had to sacrifice. Really now why would I blame the devs for the limitations of consoles?

Hmm, maybe because it was the devs who chose to make it on consoles? Didn't you say that Crysis sold well? Blame the devs for their choice of making it on consoles not because of console limitations. They could've chose to keep the series PC exclusive but did not, so who is really to blame? I seem to recall Crytek blaming lack of sales due to piracy. You should be angry at Crytek, not consoles.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="KalEl370"]

Yes, blame the consoles and not the devs. That is just silly. Maybe you should start a petition, I hear they work really well. Just look at MW2, its all the way down to #6 on the top Steam sales.

KalEl370

Of course I'll blame the consoles. They don't have the hardware to run crysis like it was on PC so the devs had to sacrifice. Really now why would I blame the devs for the limitations of consoles?

Hmm, maybe because it was the devs who chose to make it on consoles? Didn't you say that Crysis sold well? Blame the devs for their choice of making it on consoles not because of console limitations. They could've chose to keep the series PC exclusive but did not, so who is really to blame? I seem to recall Crytek blaming lack of sales due to piracy. You should be angry at Crytek, not consoles.

They did blame it on piracy, then they quickly changed their tune when they went over the first million and here is the explanation of why they went to consoles.

http://e3.gamespot.com/story/6211802/console-crysis-was-inevitable

Now you see they always planned to go consoles according to that, because they had it on their minds even before the first crysis launched. I believe the whole piracy talk was just trying to give a legit reason for going mulitplatform other than saying we want more money.

[QUOTE="KalEl370"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

Of course I'll blame the consoles. They don't have the hardware to run crysis like it was on PC so the devs had to sacrifice. Really now why would I blame the devs for the limitations of consoles?

Espada12

Hmm, maybe because it was the devs who chose to make it on consoles? Didn't you say that Crysis sold well? Blame the devs for their choice of making it on consoles not because of console limitations. They could've chose to keep the series PC exclusive but did not, so who is really to blame? I seem to recall Crytek blaming lack of sales due to piracy. You should be angry at Crytek, not consoles.

They did blame it on piracy, then they quickly changed their tune when they went over the first million and here is the explanation of why they went to consoles.

http://e3.gamespot.com/story/6211802/console-crysis-was-inevitable

Now you see they always planned to go consoles according to that, because they had it on their minds even before the first crysis launched. I believe the whole piracy talk was just trying to give a legit reason for going mulitplatform other than saying we want more money.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="KalEl370"]

Yes, blame the consoles and not the devs. That is just silly. Maybe you should start a petition, I hear they work really well. Just look at MW2, its all the way down to #6 on the top Steam sales.

SparkyProtocol

Of course I'll blame the consoles. They don't have the hardware to run crysis like it was on PC so the devs had to sacrifice. Really now why would I blame the devs for the limitations of consoles?

I'd blame the devs for making the decision or, more realistically, the **** pirates that keep a lot of devs from staying PC exclusive. Stop blowing **** out of proportions, broseph. :P

Well you can check my post above this one where it rules out pirates weren't the reason for them going to consoles. Either way I'm not really upset about this news, I was expecting this and I willl be buying crysis day 1. All I was doing here was just arguing for argument sake.

Crysis is one of the most pirated games, apparently, so that could attribute to them wanting more money.SparkyProtocol

Thing is though, they decided on going mulitplatform before crysis even shipped so I doubt piracy had anything to do with it. Either way as I said.. day one buy for me, I'm not nerd raging guy who skips a game just because it's designed a bit differently.

[QUOTE="KalEl370"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

Of course I'll blame the consoles. They don't have the hardware to run crysis like it was on PC so the devs had to sacrifice. Really now why would I blame the devs for the limitations of consoles?

Espada12

Hmm, maybe because it was the devs who chose to make it on consoles? Didn't you say that Crysis sold well? Blame the devs for their choice of making it on consoles not because of console limitations. They could've chose to keep the series PC exclusive but did not, so who is really to blame? I seem to recall Crytek blaming lack of sales due to piracy. You should be angry at Crytek, not consoles.

They did blame it on piracy, then they quickly changed their tune when they went over the first million and here is the explanation of why they went to consoles.

http://e3.gamespot.com/story/6211802/console-crysis-was-inevitable

Now you see they always planned to go consoles according to that, because they had it on their minds even before the first crysis launched. I believe the whole piracy talk was just trying to give a legit reason for going mulitplatform other than saying we want more money.

So in other words, its a dev choice, correct? This has nothing to do with consoles, and everything to do with a dev choice. You should be directing your frustation at the devs, not consoles. This has nothing to do with consoles. There are plenty of successful games on that are PC only. This is a choice the dev made. You should blame the greed of of Crytek, not the limitations of consoles.

[QUOTE="SparkyProtocol"]

Crysis is one of the most pirated games, apparently, so that could attribute to them wanting more money.Espada12

Thing is though, they decided on going mulitplatform before crysis even shipped so I doubt piracy had anything to do with it. Either way as I said.. day one buy for me, I'm not nerd raging guy who skips a game just because it's designed a bit differently.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="KalEl370"]

Hmm, maybe because it was the devs who chose to make it on consoles? Didn't you say that Crysis sold well? Blame the devs for their choice of making it on consoles not because of console limitations. They could've chose to keep the series PC exclusive but did not, so who is really to blame? I seem to recall Crytek blaming lack of sales due to piracy. You should be angry at Crytek, not consoles.

KalEl370

They did blame it on piracy, then they quickly changed their tune when they went over the first million and here is the explanation of why they went to consoles.

http://e3.gamespot.com/story/6211802/console-crysis-was-inevitable

Now you see they always planned to go consoles according to that, because they had it on their minds even before the first crysis launched. I believe the whole piracy talk was just trying to give a legit reason for going mulitplatform other than saying we want more money.

So in other words, its a dev choice, correct? This has nothing to do with consoles, and everything to do with a dev choice. You should be directing your frustation at the devs, not consoles. This has nothing to do with consoles. There are plenty of successful games on that are PC only. This is a choice the dev made. You should blame the greed of of Crytek, not the limitations of consoles.

Meh, my hopes for Crysis 2 have been dashed.

Why couldn't they have just released it on PC only? I want open gameplay god cat it...

Personally, I will wait for more hands-on information before making any conclusions. At this point we have just a tiny glimpse of the game; any picture we form in our head will be loose and imaginative. I believe we will get more information in March, in the form of game-play videos, etc. That will be the time to debate the merits of PC vs. Consoles, and whether Crysis 2 will benefit or lose its charm.

Ok, Crytek in 2007 created a game that only 15% of the Pc gaming community could play above medium settings. So right there limited their sales. Next not evey Pc gamer goes out and buys the next hyped game as do alot consolers do. Next the people who pirated never planned on buying the game to begin with so you cant count that as a lost sale. So them selling a game where not even a 4th of the pc population could play descently adding up to a million sales within three months, thats very good. Then by the end of 2008 where alot of people upgraded and bought new pc's were able to play the game which brought the game well above 2 million copies. Then Steam came along and specials which most likely kicked the count up to 4+ milliom copies. The game cost crytek 26 million to make and since Pc games make more profit per copy vs console per copy, and say only 3 million sold and made $25 profit per copy equals to 75 million. So they made enough profit. And thats not even counting Warhead which was alot less to make since the engine(most of the work) was done already. They changed their tune about pirating when they made over a million copies within 3 months because they were hoping of console type of mad rush sale numbers within the first month. Now since the game has to commodate consoles this will change how the levels and game mechanics are created. Consoles are the limiting factor here in terms of technonolgy and how alot of console games have to hold your hands. The 256mb of system memory on each console will create a streamed type of levels where what you do in the this little bubble will reset after you leave it, prime example is Farcry 2 with those checkpoints..... Well at the very least we still have "Crysis" and that they cant take away.04dcarraher

There are plenty of successful games on that are PC only.

KalEl370

Personally, I will wait for more hands-on information before making any conclusions. At this point we have just a tiny glimpse of the game; any picture we form in our head will be loose and imaginative. I believe we will get more information in March, in the form of game-play videos, etc. That will be the time to debate the merits of PC vs. Consoles, and whether Crysis 2 will benefit or lose its charm.

rolo107

I'm sure if they made that much profit, they would be staying PC-exclusive. They have publicly stated, on multiple occasions, that there profit was good but not what they had expected.

rolo107

well lets see the engine and whole game development cost around $30m

theyve sold 3m retail

lets assume they make $25 a pop. considering it debuted at $50 and is still at $40 so lets just for the sake of argument assume they made $25 off each copy after EA takes its cut.

thats $75m thats AT LEAST a $45m PROFIT. $45m for a single game on a single platform, a game whos only hype was negative really, who had the stigma of only being able to be played on super rigs (even though it ran well on low end gaming rigs) a game that really in all aspects is a niche game. made AT LEAST $45m profit for crytek and this isnt including DD sales mind you.

the problem was 2 fold

1. they put all their eggs in one basket. they expected for everyone to run out a buy their engine. problem was their engine didnt work too great on the consoles. fact is most developers to make a profit are multiplatform (that hammer swings both ways console fanboys), no one is willing to invest in an engine that wont work well on 2 out of the 3 systems. not to mention like i said before it already had the stigma of being hard to run(it wasnt its not). thats why the UE3 is so popular it runs well on almost anything.

2.they had unrealistic expectations. ignore piracy for a second theyre view on piracy is irrelevant. they expected the game to sell millions within weeks. pc game sales never have worked like that never will. they also expected it to sell at least 12m copies on the pc. which is ridiculous to expect from a game on any single platform (refering to cervats comment about how similar games sell '4-5 times as much on the consoles'). they had their goals set too high to begin with. not to mention they somehow related every pirated copy to a lost sale. not to mention they determined the number of pirated copies by how many downloads of the patch their were. i for one have downloaded the patch 15times between reinstalls and what not.

being exclusive to any system this gen and not being backed by a super company is not profitable for any developer. however crysis happened to be extremely profitable. so much so that they were able to open up two studios one from the members of a former console exclusive dev (well two technically). so much so that they made crysis 2. so much so that they made a new engine for crysis 2.

not to mention they determined the number of pirated copies by how many downloads of the patch their were. washd123

[QUOTE="washd123"]not to mention they determined the number of pirated copies by how many downloads of the patch their were. Silenthps

in one interview they tried going back on their 'every pirated copy is a lost sale' stance and said something to the extent of 'we knwo not every pirated copy was a lost sale but we saw way more downloads of the patches than actual games sold the number would have been higher'

well lets see the engine and whole game development cost around $30m

theyve sold 3m retail

lets assume they make $25 a pop. considering it debuted at $50 and is still at $40 so lets just for the sake of argument assume they made $25 off each copy after EA takes its cut.

thats $75m thats AT LEAST a $45m PROFIT. $45m for a single game on a single platform, a game whos only hype was negative really, who had the stigma of only being able to be played on super rigs (even though it ran well on low end gaming rigs) a game that really in all aspects is a niche game. made AT LEAST $45m profit for crytek and this isnt including DD sales mind you.

washd123

Crytek is more interested in having the city environment act as a focus on the action rather than a big open sandbox---Joystiq

Well, that's one way of putting it ... *sigh* :)

Where did you get any of those numbers? Developer/Publisher splits for royalties are typically around the 10/90 range.

Teufelhuhn

publishes get 90%? since when.

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

Where did you get any of those numbers? Developer/Publisher splits for royalties are typically around the 10/90 range.

washd123

publishes get 90%? since when.

[QUOTE="KalEl370"]

There are plenty of successful games on that are PC only.

Teufelhuhn

Lately, probably none, but I don't think you can blame "consoles" for that. It all boils down what the dev wants to do.

I'm sure if they made that much profit, they would be staying PC-exclusive. They have publicly stated, on multiple occasions, that there profit was good but not what they had expected.

rolo107

In the business world there's no such thing as enough profit. Also EA said they were fine with the sales, then I am hearing crytek isn't then crytek change their stance on it. Gonna go with EA on that one.

[QUOTE="yonnex"]

I guess more people should have paid for the game when it was on PC and then it would have stayed PC exclusive shame about the amount of PC pirates

These people need to be paid and consoles is the solution for this.

AAllxxjjnn

Crysis 2, how I want you so.

[QUOTE="washd123"]

well lets see the engine and whole game development cost around $30m

theyve sold 3m retail

lets assume they make $25 a pop. considering it debuted at $50 and is still at $40 so lets just for the sake of argument assume they made $25 off each copy after EA takes its cut.

thats $75m thats AT LEAST a $45m PROFIT. $45m for a single game on a single platform, a game whos only hype was negative really, who had the stigma of only being able to be played on super rigs (even though it ran well on low end gaming rigs) a game that really in all aspects is a niche game. made AT LEAST $45m profit for crytek and this isnt including DD sales mind you.

Teufelhuhn

They dont make 90% profit per game, You have to include payroll, advertizing, production costs and manufactering. Pc games make about 35-45% profit when console games only make 20-30% profit because MS,Sony and others have to get their cut too, which is why they hype games to get the multi million sales numbers within the first month so they can come out ahead. If you look a MW2 spending over 200 million making and advertizing the game if they just focused just on one platform even with just 360 they would just break even not making any real money. Crysis + Warhead sold over 5 million copies , and since the game had very steep requirements, getting flak from that and people disliking the game. Any game thats not well advertized that sells millions on one single platform that over half the that community cant even play it descent did very well. And with Crysis being sold on steam would be a 80-90% profit payout. And since Steam doesnot disclose sale numbers all we can go by is their charts saying which game was bought the most for that month of release which crysis+warhead were up there.

I look forward to playing Crysis 2.... ON MY CONSOLE! :) Seriously, this sucks for PC gamers though. carljohnson3456

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"]I look forward to playing Crysis 2.... ON MY CONSOLE! :) Seriously, this sucks for PC gamers though. 04dcarraher

I'm not saying the PC is loosing exclusivity, I'm just saying that console gaming has caught up considerably to PC gaming to the point where the 2 are becoming similar enough in terms of tech that making a PC game into a console game and keeping most of the content isn't a real challenge for devs.

clubsammich91

In other words you didn't think on that little issue I pointed out, that you used a 360 to PC port to judge PC capability.

PS3 gamers don't accept it when 360 to PS3 ports are used to judge PS3 capability, why would a platform as different as PC accept it? A console optimized game isn't going to show off the capability of a modern gaming PC.

How many that have the budget of a game like Crysis?Teufelhuhn

Same question directed at consoles, of course I'm talking about 3rd party games, no one paid for Crysis to be exclusive to PC and utilize its hardware.

theyve sold 3m retail

washd123

Was the Infamous PCG UK quote ever confirmed or even confirmed to exist?

Because the latest known confirmed one is 1.5 million sold.

[QUOTE="washd123"]

theyve sold 3m retail

glez13

Was the Infamous PCG UK quote ever confirmed or even confirmed to exist?

Because the latest known confirmed one is 1.5 million sold.

Surely it sold some more copies in the 20 months since then. PC games have a much longer lifespan, heck a store in my city just got a new shipment of Undying and Deus Ex!

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="carljohnson3456"]I look forward to playing Crysis 2.... ON MY CONSOLE! :) Seriously, this sucks for PC gamers though. carljohnson3456

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

Consoles dumbing down games again I see!

Wasdie

[QUOTE="Wasdie"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

Consoles dumbing down games again I see!

Animal-Mother

implying what?

[quote="Joystiq"]We already know the game will take place in New York, but according to the developer, it'll be "a New York City like none in games or cinema." Crytek is more interested in having the city environment act as a focus on the action rather than a big open sandbox, so while you'll see lots of the city above, you'll only be able to travel in "constrained freedom," or only about "three storeys up and down."
anshul89

Thank the developers... Casual gamers allow the industry to exist.

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="Wasdie"] Because Crysis 1 was so open to start with.washd123

implying what?

Thank the developers... Casual gamers allow the industry to exist.

Leejjohno

casual games and 'consolified games (i hate the term but using it for lack of a better one) are completely different.

the sims is a casual game. flower is a casual game. most XBLA and PSN games are casual. flash games are casual. while games like rainbow six vegas and fallout 3 and seemingly crysis 2 are built for a more casual audience they are hardly trying to be or are casual.

casual games keep the industry afloat yes, but thats a completely different subject. but your half right, the deves ultimately are to blame.

] Because, he's right. Crysis may have been huge and open. But what the heck was there to do? Jumping over mountains? cutting down trees. Crysis wasn't very open to begin with and I agree with wasdie. So now that it's a tad bit linear it's the consoles fault? Hmmm, i'm glad consoles know how to make games. But it's a shame my PS3 can't develop alan wake.Animal-Mother

so it was open but it wasnt open because you had no imagination?

im confused because you just contridicted yourself there.

sorry the game design wasnt open you couldnt go back and visit villages and towns, you couldnt change the story and choose your own 'path' but the gameplay was. yes you could jump over a mountain...to gain a tactical advantage. yes you can cut down a tree..for the fun of it.

face it the gameplay was open.

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]] Because, he's right. Crysis may have been huge and open. But what the heck was there to do? Jumping over mountains? cutting down trees. Crysis wasn't very open to begin with and I agree with wasdie. So now that it's a tad bit linear it's the consoles fault? Hmmm, i'm glad consoles know how to make games. But it's a shame my PS3 can't develop alan wake.washd123

so it was open but it wasnt open because you had no imagination?

im confused because you just contridicted yourself there.

sorry the game design wasnt open you couldnt go back and visit villages and towns, you couldnt change the story and choose your own 'path' but the gameplay was. yes you could jump over a mountain...to gain a tactical advantage. yes you can cut down a tree..for the fun of it.

face it the gameplay was open.

[QUOTE="washd123"]

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] Bam, we have a weinerAnimal-Mother

implying what?

God forbid a game is actually designed to utilize PC memory, hey let's limit everything to Wii memory and see how console gamers like it? If they complain Wii owners can just declare everything beyond Wii capability is meaningless; on the basis of because.

I find it boring how most of the games are presented in USA. I understand that the American devs do this, but I dont like how foreign devs jumps ships and makes every game play around USA.

Crytek is founded by Turks and if they made the game play out in for example Turkey, it would have been refreshing and new. Well I guess I can only wish that since it feels like a video-game norm to have the majority of the games set up in USA.