Crysis 2 details in EDGE

[QUOTE="washd123"]

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]] Because, he's right. Crysis may have been huge and open. But what the heck was there to do? Jumping over mountains? cutting down trees. Crysis wasn't very open to begin with and I agree with wasdie. So now that it's a tad bit linear it's the consoles fault? Hmmm, i'm glad consoles know how to make games. But it's a shame my PS3 can't develop alan wake.Animal-Mother

so it was open but it wasnt open because you had no imagination?

im confused because you just contridicted yourself there.

sorry the game design wasnt open you couldnt go back and visit villages and towns, you couldnt change the story and choose your own 'path' but the gameplay was. yes you could jump over a mountain...to gain a tactical advantage. yes you can cut down a tree..for the fun of it.

face it the gameplay was open.

In games like KZ2,H3,MW2 and almost every other shooter,you don´t have the possibility to do so.

Soooooooooo,I would say that it´s a good thing.

Now,in Crysis 2,well....let´s all put on our gimp suits...

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="washd123"]

implying what?

AnnoyedDragon

God forbid a game is actually designed to utilize PC memory, hey let's limit everything to Wii memory and see how console gamers like it? If they complain Wii owners can just declare everything beyond Wii capability is meaningless; on the basis of because.

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

Consoles dumbing down games again I see!

Espada12

Because linearity is a crime.

It is when you start as an open world game. Imagine making GTA linear so wii owners could play it as well :lol:

The game did nothing with the open world. Sooooooooooo I think it was just open world like farcry. Another open world game where not much could be doenjAnimal-Mother

no. YOU did nothing with the open world. it was there for you to use. if you chose not to do anything thats your problem. others like me had no issue with the open world aspect.

What? I'm sorry but there was not much to the "open world" in crysis. It's not the console's fault it's the developers fault. Animal-Mother

yes and no.

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] The game did nothing with the open world. Sooooooooooo I think it was just open world like farcry. Another open world game where not much could be doenjwashd123

no. YOU did nothing with the open world. it was there for you to use. if you chose not to do anything thats your problem. others like me had no issue with the open world aspect.

What? I'm sorry but there was not much to the "open world" in crysis. It's not the console's fault it's the developers fault. Animal-Mother

That's because people don't bother to learn the difference between open world and open environment. Of course why should they? Consoles cannot do the latter so it mustn't matter :roll: everything beyond console capability seems to.

Because Crysis loaded the majority of the information within the level into memory prior; the player can have a far greater range of interactivity. It enabled AI to operate on a large scale, it enabled the player to interact with objects over great distances. The environment was open, it was large scale, even though the level itself was confined and not open world. Open world requires streaming, which butchers scale because interactivity is confined to within a number of cells loaded around the player, the number of cells being restricted by console memory.

It's entirely consoles fault because of their memory limitations; and it is the developers fault for bringing it to consoles. But that doesn't give you permission to criticise what the previous game did as if it is nothing, as if everything beyond the capability of a console doesn't matter.

I'm sure console gamers would love it if game design was limited by Wii ram, the remaining resources could be dedicated to even more of the eye candy they care about so much. What is there to complain about? If the Wii cannot do it; it must not be important.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

Because linearity is a crime.

gamefan67

It is when you start as an open world game. Imagine making GTA linear so wii owners could play it as well :lol:

Talking about 4, which is why I used the wii in my example.

[QUOTE="washd123"]

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] Bam, we have a weinerAnimal-Mother

implying what?

Because, he's right. Crysis may have been huge and open. But what the heck was there to do? Jumping over mountains? cutting down trees. Crysis wasn't very open to begin with and I agree with wasdie. So now that it's a tad bit linear it's the consoles fault? Hmmm, i'm glad consoles know how to make games. But it's a shame my PS3 can't develop alan wake.

How can he be right when you are saying he is wrong?

[QUOTE="Leejjohno"]

Thank the developers... Casual gamers allow the industry to exist.

washd123

casual games and 'consolified games (i hate the term but using it for lack of a better one) are completely different.

the sims is a casual game. flower is a casual game. most XBLA and PSN games are casual. flash games are casual. while games like rainbow six vegas and fallout 3 and seemingly crysis 2 are built for a more casual audience they are hardly trying to be or are casual.

casual games keep the industry afloat yes, but thats a completely different subject. but your half right, the deves ultimately are to blame.

Yeah I know I made a mistake lol. Guess I wasn't concentrating.

I never understood how anyone could have expected Crytek (or any other dev) to make a sandbox FPS set in a city. The reason it worked so well for games like Farcry/Crysis is because they are set in places with very little buildings. When you take the dencity of a city into consideration, it is almost impossible to make a sandbox FPS (especially one that looks as good as Crysis 2 is said to be) in that setting.

Crytek would have been better of setting the game in an urban area or a small town, with big set pieces like hospitals, schools, police stations or mall. That would have been better than playing a shooter in a city where you cant open even enter most of the buildings.

Consoles dumbing down games again I see!

Espada12

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

Consoles dumbing down games again I see!

Human-after-all

I really fear for Crysis 2. The thing I loved about the first game, the openness and freedom, is being taken away. While scripted adventures can be fantastic in their own way (mw2), Crysis is about FREEDOM. The decision makes financial sense for Crytek though. The game was pirated too many times on pc to be a huge hit. The Xbox 360 and especialy the PS3 just do not have enough RAM to load those huge levels.

Consoles dumbing down games again I see!

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

[QUOTE="KalEl370"]

There are plenty of successful games on that are PC only.

KalEl370

Lately, probably none, but I don't think you can blame "consoles" for that. It all boils down what the dev wants to do.

[QUOTE="Arach666"][QUOTE="Human-after-all"] Crysis 1 wasn't that open...04dcarraher

Is too early to judge if the multiplatform developement will nerf the Crysis 2 gameplay. Crysis and Warhead were not-totally linear shooters in a not-really open environment; the freedom was not only provided by the environments but also by the nuit and the weapon customization.

GTA IV was able to offer a open gameplay in a open world in consoles, why couldn't Crysis 2 do the same in 360 and PS3 -whit the same graphics, of course XD -.

I think that the size of the maps will be similar to the ones in Crysis and Warhead, but is impossible to make a statment until real gameplay vids came to us.

Is too early to judge if the multiplatform developement will nerf the Crysis 2 gameplay. Crysis and Warhead were not-totally linear shooters in a not-really open environment; the freedom was not only provided by the environments but also by the nuit and the weapon customization.

GTA IV was able to offer a open gameplay in a open world in consoles, why couldn't Crysis 2 do the same in 360 and PS3 -whit the same graphics, of course XD -.

I think that the size of the maps will be similar to the ones in Crysis and Warhead, but is impossible to make a statment until real gameplay vids came to us.

Ondoval

It's not impossible to judge anything prior to release when you have a basic understanding of what is going on.

Crysis was built in a PC envionment, which at the time 2GB ram was common. This enabled them to design the game around systems with 2GB memory, designing the scale for that memory amount. Consoles only have 256mb ram, which means a single instance of game play cannot use any more than 256mb of memory.

You don't have to wait until release to find out that will have an impact on the game.

I think that this 'dumbed down for consoles' argument is simply showing how much dominance the console market is now having, on the industry as a whole.Ravensmash

It shows how in the persuit of money is destroying the quality of games.04dcarraher

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"]I think that this 'dumbed down for consoles' argument is simply showing how much dominance the console market is now having, on the industry as a whole.04dcarraher

I'll wait until the actual game is out. I shunned the Crysis games when they were first released because of all the stuff I heard on forums. It turned out later that I actually liked the games despite the steep hardware requirements and initial difficulty with the nanosuit concept.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="Ravensmash"]I think that this 'dumbed down for consoles' argument is simply showing how much dominance the console market is now having, on the industry as a whole.Ravensmash

Take a few isolated comments and put them together in an "article" and you can make people believe anything.

Everything was taken way out of context.

Yerli said that is was comparable in size, just oriented vertically rather than horizontally. You have multiple levels to each area, meaning multiple paths to take. Same as Crysis. It is just organized differently.

They aren't "dumbing down" anything, merely doing the same thing in a different way.

But lord knows that nobody can understand that, much less accept that it is even possible.

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

Consoles dumbing down games again I see!

Because linearity is a crime.

It is when you start as an open world game. Imagine making GTA linear so wii owners could play it as well :lol:

Consoles dumbing down games again I see!

Espada12

I guess Crytek wants the sales.

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

Because linearity is a crime.

It is when you start as an open world game. Imagine making GTA linear so wii owners could play it as well :lol:

Why not? They did it with Alone in the Dark for the Wii. Crysis 1 was great fun, but it was so open that the game was a bit easy. Open world games tend to be too easy to aquire the objective.Phazevariance

They did what with alone in the dark wii?

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

Consoles dumbing down games again I see!

AdjacentLives

I guess Crytek wants the sales.

Yea they do, let's hope this game doesn't bomb at retail, but I'm sure they will actually market this one.

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]Yerli told GameReactor that, "Compared to Crysis there will be more freedom, larger gameplay areas and more tactical warfare." So, what is he lying?AnnoyedDragon

It wouldn't be the first time, I still remember when he said Crysis would take advantage of quad cores; when in reality Crysis was only optimized for dual.

Common sense should say you cannot have bigger scale with more freedom in less memory.

Consoles dumbing down games again I see!

Espada12

Consoles dumbing down games again I see!

[QUOTE="AdjacentLives"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

Consoles dumbing down games again I see!

Espada12

I guess Crytek wants the sales.

Yea they do, let's hope this game doesn't bomb at retail, but I'm sure they will actually market this one.

3m on one platform at retail a platform not known for retail sales is bombing?

[QUOTE="Phaze-Two"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

Consoles dumbing down games again I see!

mtradr43

warhead was hardly linear. its set pieces were 'smaller' than crysis but there was only 2 linear parts. even the seemingly linear covoy part you could get out of the truck and walk around if you wanted. it wasnt as open as crysis but it was hardly linear in terms of gameplay design.

Some games are meant only for PC this was one of thoseGiancar

in a perfect world no game would meant to be on one system only.

crysis is a game that easily would have been awesome on the consoles. changing everything that made the original good for the sake of the console audience is a bad thing.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="AdjacentLives"]

I guess Crytek wants the sales.

washd123

Yea they do, let's hope this game doesn't bomb at retail, but I'm sure they will actually market this one.

3m on one platform at retail a platform not known for retail sales is bombing?

I was referring to bombing at retail on consoles.

[QUOTE="Phaze-Two"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

Consoles dumbing down games again I see!

mtradr43

Wow, sounds like somebody besides me actually played the game (Crysis and Warhead)instead of acting like a fakeboyhermit. I concur by the way.

[QUOTE="mtradr43"][QUOTE="Phaze-Two"] pretty muchwashd123

warhead was hardly linear. its set pieces were 'smaller' than crysis but there was only 2 linear parts. even the seemingly linear covoy part you could get out of the truck and walk around if you wanted. it wasnt as open as crysis but it was hardly linear in terms of gameplay design.

IMO Warhead was linear as hell. Crysis was less linear.

Consoles dumbing down games again I see!

Espada12

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

Consoles dumbing down games again I see!

powerman91

Nah but if it wasn't on console's I wouldn't have "constrained freedom"

Crytek is more interested in having the city environment act as a focus on the action rather than a big open sandboxJoystiq

IMO Warhead was linear as hell. Crysis was less linear.

xOMGITSJASONx

see it tried to be more linear. it really tried to force you in. also most of the environments were smaller which made it seemingly more linear. and on first playthrough i found it was linear, then after playing and exploring it really isnt. its just not as open as crysis and is trying to be linear. i could easily see how it would appear that way, but its not.

[QUOTE="powerman91"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

Consoles dumbing down games again I see!

Espada12

Nah but if it wasn't on console's I wouldn't have "constrained freedom"

not true at all.

warhead was more 'linear' than crysis because they tried to appeal to the COD4 crowd. its easily the next step. even if it was still only pc

[QUOTE="washd123"]

[QUOTE="mtradr43"] once again, crysis was not that open, and crysis warhead was definately super linear. so unless the pc dumbed down the expansion, id say the design choice is the devs decision overall.xOMGITSJASONx

warhead was hardly linear. its set pieces were 'smaller' than crysis but there was only 2 linear parts. even the seemingly linear covoy part you could get out of the truck and walk around if you wanted. it wasnt as open as crysis but it was hardly linear in terms of gameplay design.

IMO Warhead was linear as hell. Crysis was less linear.

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