Crysis is not Graphics King

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#1 marq4porsche
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I'm talking Unmoded Crysis here. Ok, I know it does many things well, and I mean really well. But I have to say that out of the games I've played on my pc it's not the best graphically. Crysis can look dull and uninspired at times. It has ok texture work considering all the hype it gets. But it does have excellent water effects, great lighting and awesome character models. Two games immediately come to mind that I feel are better looking than Crysis.

Mirrors Edge
Insane shadows, great lighting, brilliant textures (especially the specular maps), great artistic design.


F1 2010

Looks brilliant,Beautiful Textures, lots of little details, great character models, great sense of speed, nice lighting.




Truth be told, I think it's just hype that's why people feel the way they do. BTW, these screenshots are from my PC. I mean Crysis does look great but it's not the end all be all of good graphics like many people make it out to be.

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#2 deactivated-5cf4b2c19c4ab
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Mirrors Edge is the most photorealistic game around, but Crysis is graphics king, especially with mods.

F1 is a racing game, so you cant really compare it to crysis, but your screenshots look meh, and not as good as Dirt 2.

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#3 Xtasy26
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First of all Dirt 2 pwn F1. Crysis still pwns Mirrors Edge. If Crysis wasn't graphics king than why does even powerful graphics cards have a hard time running it while they can run Mirrors Edge with breeze?

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Its amazing that people can still amaze me.
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#5 lawlessx
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keep forgetting how impressive Mirrors Edge looks on the PC
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#6 Kiro0
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First of all Dirt 2 pwn F1. Crysis still pwns Mirrors Edge. If Crysis wasn't graphics king than why does even powerful graphics cards have a hard time running it while they can run Mirrors Edge with breeze?

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Poor optimization? My understanding is that's one of the chief complaints with Crysis. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong though.
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#7 ActicEdge
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Mirror's Edge is soooo purdy.

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#8 marq4porsche
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First of all Dirt 2 pwn F1. Crysis still pwns Mirrors Edge. If Crysis wasn't graphics king than why does even powerful graphics cards have a hard time running it while they can run Mirrors Edge with breeze?

Xtasy26

I don't own Dirt, but what I've played on the demo it looks great. And the last point is moot, Mirrors Edge still looks brilliant.

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#9 04dcarraher
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Crysis is still top dog because of what it renders on screen at anygiven time. Mirrors Edge or F1 are more linear dont render as much
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#10 Shirokishi_
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I dont remember Mirrors Edge looking that good :?

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#11 marq4porsche
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Crysis is still top dog because of what it renders on screen at anygiven time. Mirrors Edge or F1 are more linear dont render as much04dcarraher
But if a game still looks better onscreen doesn't that game deserve to be graphics king? I mean, the game looks better still.

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#12 ActicEdge
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I dont remember Mirrors Edge looking that good :?

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PC version. Stevo took some pictures one day, damn son they were gorgeous.

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[QUOTE="Xtasy26"]

First of all Dirt 2 pwn F1. Crysis still pwns Mirrors Edge. If Crysis wasn't graphics king than why does even powerful graphics cards have a hard time running it while they can run Mirrors Edge with breeze?

Kiro0

Poor optimization? My understanding is that's one of the chief complaints with Crysis. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong though.

Crysis isnt perfectly optimized but neither is it poorly optimized, people just tend to underestimate what Crysis is having to calculate at any given time, alot more that Mirror's edge does. Mirrors edge has an extremely well done pre baked GI system, good textures, and some nice particle effects and cloth due to physx, apart from that the enviroment is static, bare, and not very complicated to render. However Crysis is having to deal with huge amazing looking scenes with levels of interaction that mirror's edge could only dream of. Crysis has to render tropical forests and vegitation, that are not static they move and bend, and not scripted but procedurally the shock wave from a grenade or rotors from a helicopter can move and shake any of those pieces of flora on demand. The ligting is fully dynamic along with a self shadowing POM and Steep Parallax system done on demand compared to Mirror's edge's pre calculated bump offset. The character's in crysis are much better detailed with nice tricks such as subsurface scattering with a great IK system for animation. The AI in crysis, although flawed is intuitive and unscripted along with being far more intelligent than mirror's edges lolful AI.

TL;DR: Mirrors Edge may be near unchallenged in some aspects of what it does, But Crysis does a hell of a lot more and can look amazing doing it, and you will be hard pressed to find a game doing nearly as much while running as good.

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So what if Mirror's Edge is prettier than Crysis?

It was still one of the most linear, shortest, and feuture-less games of our generation of games.

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[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]Crysis is still top dog because of what it renders on screen at anygiven time. Mirrors Edge or F1 are more linear dont render as muchmarq4porsche

But if a game still looks better onscreen doesn't that game deserve to be graphics king? I mean, the game looks better still.

yah, or we'll have to start re-evaluating "console graphics king"
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[QUOTE="Shirokishi_"]

I dont remember Mirrors Edge looking that good :?

ActicEdge

PC version. Stevo took some pictures one day, damn son they were gorgeous.

Ahh, I see. It looks freaking gorgeous in those pictures above so I can only imagine other areas.

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[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]Crysis is still top dog because of what it renders on screen at anygiven time. Mirrors Edge or F1 are more linear dont render as muchmarq4porsche

But if a game still looks better onscreen doesn't that game deserve to be graphics king? I mean, the game looks better still.

Exactly there is a difference between graphics king and the best technical game. A game can have top notch graphics and be open world with great scale and be the overall technically best game, but if one linear corridor game happens to have better graphics its still the graphics king even if its scale is small and its areas cramped. However, imo being the most impressive technical game is a bigger achievement than being graphics king.

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So what if Mirror's Edge is prettier than Crysis?

It was still one of the most linear, shortest, and feuture-less games of our generation of games.

kravitzzz

Whoa looks like someone hit a nerve.

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#20 marq4porsche
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[QUOTE="marq4porsche"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]Crysis is still top dog because of what it renders on screen at anygiven time. Mirrors Edge or F1 are more linear dont render as muchTacticalDesire

But if a game still looks better onscreen doesn't that game deserve to be graphics king? I mean, the game looks better still.

Exactly there is a difference between graphics king and the best technical game. A game can have top notch graphics and be open world with great scale and be the overall technically best game, but if one linear corridor game happens to have better graphics its still the graphics king even if its scale is small and its areas cramped. However, imo being the most impressive technical game is a bigger achievement than being graphics king.

This. I agree with this statement. I feel that Crysis is a greater achievement but some games still look better.

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#21 SaltyMeatballs
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Yes it is. Crysis is practically unmatched whilst being open world, and has a lot going on. Games that come close lose because they are usually very linear.
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#22 marq4porsche
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Yes it is. Crysis is practically unmatched whilst being open world, and has a lot going on. Games that come close lose because they are usually very linear.SaltyMeatballs

What does it matter if the game is linear if that game boast better visuals?

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crysis warhead blows that away lol.

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[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]Yes it is. Crysis is practically unmatched whilst being open world, and has a lot going on. Games that come close lose because they are usually very linear.marq4porsche

What does it matter if the game is linear if that game boast better visuals?

Ok would you want to play in a 5x5 sandbox or play at the beach?
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I'll agree with this.
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#26 marq4porsche
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[QUOTE="marq4porsche"]

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]Yes it is. Crysis is practically unmatched whilst being open world, and has a lot going on. Games that come close lose because they are usually very linear.04dcarraher

What does it matter if the game is linear if that game boast better visuals?

Ok would you want to play in a 5x5 sandbox or play at the beach?

You know that example is not really apt here. Becasue Mirrors Edge just happens to be great fun. That's like saying I don't want to play Mario games because their linear.

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#27 SilverChimera
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You're right, Crysis is graphics God.
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#28 windsquid9000
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Many games beat it in some areas, but none beat it overall (even if you don't take scale into consideration).

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#29 Puckhog04
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No, Crysis is graphics king. Don't kid yourself.

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#30 JangoWuzHere
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I recently played Mirrors Edge again lately and its not all that great looking honestly...

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#31 marq4porsche
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Many games beat it in some areas, but none beat it overall (even if you don't take scale into consideration).

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Yeah, no. The only area where Crysis beats Mirrors Edge is the water effects and special effects. Overall Mirrors Edge just looks better. It has way better artistic design, and better textures and better atmosphere.

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#32 markop2003
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Mirror's Edge has impressive visual design but technically it's still Crysis
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#33 JangoWuzHere
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[QUOTE="windsquid9000"]

Many games beat it in some areas, but none beat it overall (even if you don't take scale into consideration).

marq4porsche

Yeah, no. The only area where Crysis beats Mirrors Edge is the water effects and special effects. Overall Mirrors Edge just looks better. It has way better artistic design, and better textures and better atmosphere.

Articstic design and atmosphere is subjective. I found Crysis to be a much more immersive game, especially in the middle parts of the campaign. Its not impressive at all to have slightly better textures then Crysis considering how linear it is. Honestly thoe, for all the dull textures that Crysis has, Mirrors Edge has far more.

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[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]Yes it is. Crysis is practically unmatched whilst being open world, and has a lot going on. Games that come close lose because they are usually very linear.marq4porsche

What does it matter if the game is linear if that game boast better visuals?

one piece of this 'graphics king' puzzle...or whatever you want to call it

has to do with the technical side of things. else it's too subjective.

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#35 MFDOOM1983
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I recently played Mirrors Edge again lately and its not all that great looking honestly...

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i suggest you play it on pc.
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#36 marq4porsche
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[QUOTE="marq4porsche"]

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]Yes it is. Crysis is practically unmatched whilst being open world, and has a lot going on. Games that come close lose because they are usually very linear.HavocV3

What does it matter if the game is linear if that game boast better visuals?

one piece of this 'graphics king' puzzle...or whatever you want to call it

has to do with the technical side of things. else it's too subjective.

I agree that it is technically more impressive, but the eyes don't lie, unless your blind of course.

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#37 deactivated-5cf4b2c19c4ab
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[QUOTE="HavocV3"]

[QUOTE="marq4porsche"]

What does it matter if the game is linear if that game boast better visuals?

marq4porsche

one piece of this 'graphics king' puzzle...or whatever you want to call it

has to do with the technical side of things. else it's too subjective.

I agree that it is technically more impressive, but the eyes don't lie, unless your blind of course.

then we are getting into subjective areas, you make think that mirror's edge looks better, but does that mean other people do?
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#38 HavocV3
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[QUOTE="HavocV3"]

[QUOTE="marq4porsche"]

What does it matter if the game is linear if that game boast better visuals?

marq4porsche

one piece of this 'graphics king' puzzle...or whatever you want to call it

has to do with the technical side of things. else it's too subjective.

I agree that it is technically more impressive, but the eyes don't lie, unless your blind of course.

understandable, by all means.

but this is what's going to keep games like Kirby's Epic Yarn from being graphics king.

the word isn't very well-established around here anyways. might be a good thing that it's not.

anyhow, I wouldn't dabble in it too long. and you're still free to argue that M-Edge is easier on the eyes as well as more artistically inspired.

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Crysis is still top dog because of what it renders on screen at anygiven time. Mirrors Edge or F1 are more linear dont render as much04dcarraher

That is such bull crap. I haven't played ME on PC (just consoles) or Crysis, but if the game is in fact prettier, it doesn't matter how impressive it is. If it did we could be picking games from last gen, I can't believe Chaos Theory looks as good as it does on the PC I play it on. Killzone 2 is more impressive than Uncharted 2 because it uses less of the PS3. The prettiest game is graphics king, most technically impressive has less to do with graphics and more to do with optimization. By that logic a game like God of War: Ghost of Sparta could be graphics game.

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#41 hd5870corei7
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Mirror's Edge looks FANTASTIC. Overall the second best looking if scale, AI, rendering and everything technical about graphics isn't included. *After Metro 2033*

But overall technical graphics which are required for graphics king title:

1. Crysis & Warhead
2. Metro 2033

3. Arma 2

4. Just Cause 2

5. Mirror'd Edge (PC)

6. Stalker CoP

7. Far Cry 2

8. Stalker SoC & CS

9. Resident Evil 5

10. That tomb raider game? Dirt 2? AVP? BF:BC2?

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#43 glez13
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[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]Crysis is still top dog because of what it renders on screen at anygiven time. Mirrors Edge or F1 are more linear dont render as muchRandomWinner

That is such bull crap. I haven't played ME on PC (just consoles) or Crysis, but if the game is in fact prettier, it doesn't matter how impressive it is. If it did we could be picking games from last gen, I can't believe Chaos Theory looks as good as it does on the PC I play it on. Killzone 2 is more impressive than Uncharted 2 because it uses less of the PS3. The prettiest game is graphics king, most technically impressive has less to do with graphics and more to do with optimization. By that logic a game like God of War: Ghost of Sparta could be graphics game.

It's the other way around. Graphics King is all about technical graphics, in fact it started being about hardware. Most probably a hermit introduced it into System Wars and that is how it jumped to software and even consoles.

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#44 Silenthps
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sorry but no. Mirrors Edge does not have teh foliage.
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#45 sinpkr
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crysis with mods is better

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#46 soulitane
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Hakkai were all those pictures really necessary? You could have put them in a spoiler tag.

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#47 Hakkai007
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Hakkai were all those pictures really necessary? You could have put them in a spoiler tag.

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How do you use spoilers in this site?

I tried once but it didn't work.

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#48 kravitzzz
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[QUOTE="kravitzzz"]

So what if Mirror's Edge is prettier than Crysis?

It was still one of the most linear, shortest, and feuture-less games of our generation of games.

TacticalDesire

Whoa looks like someone hit a nerve.

And i haven't even played crysis...

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#49 kravitzzz
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[QUOTE="soulitane"]

Hakkai were all those pictures really necessary? You could have put them in a spoiler tag.

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How do you use spoilers in this site?

I tried once but it didn't work.

[spoiler] It doesn't work :P [/spoiler]

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#50 kravitzzz
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Irony got the better of me :lol: