Crysis Warhead could be surpassed on consoles. This isnt a PC diss!

I new this was going to happen. Crysis 2 on consoles which means Crysis can run on consoles... I dont know why ppl wont just listen. All that crysis 2 has over Crysis is better lighting imo anyway. Everything else is significantly reduced visually and technically.

[QUOTE="Smoke89"]

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"]

No it wasn't.

i5750at4Ghz

The devs themselves talked about how the engine was dumbed-down for consoles and that was translated straight to the PC... I love how people argue without doing any reading at all. The game from day 1 was supposed to have DX11 support which allllll changed with the engine edits.

Why does Crysis 2 look as good on consoles as PC? Because the PC designed engine didn't work...

http://www.vg247.com/2011/03/20/camarillo-crytek-had-to-rip-cryengine-apart-for-multi-platform/

http://www.vg247.com/2010/03/30/crytek-had-a-few-issues-getting-cryengine-3-to-work-on-consoles/

I'll find more in awhile.

I new this was going to happen. Crysis 2 on consoles which means Crysis can run on consoles... I dont know why ppl wont just listen. All that crysis 2 has over Crysis is better lighting imo anyway. Everything else is significantly reduced visually and technically.

mattuk69

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"][QUOTE="Smoke89"]

The devs themselves talked about how the engine was dumbed-down for consoles and that was translated straight to the PC... I love how people argue without doing any reading at all. The game from day 1 was supposed to have DX11 support which allllll changed with the engine edits.

oldkingallant

Then say that. Don't call it what it isn't. Dumbed down or not its still one of the best looking games on the PC platform. You guys are complaing about a game that looks better than 99% of the games released in the last 4 years. Seems kinda silly to me.

I new this was going to happen. Crysis 2 on consoles which means Crysis can run on consoles... I dont know why ppl wont just listen. All that crysis 2 has over Crysis is better lighting imo anyway. Everything else is significantly reduced visually and technically.

[QUOTE="oldkingallant"][QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] Nothing about the engine is dumb-down I suggest you take your own advise and go read up. The game isn't a port, as the first platform it was up and running on was a PC. Making it instantly impossible for it to be a console port.i5750at4Ghz

Then say that. Don't call it what it isn't. Dumbed down or not its still one of the best looking games on the PC platform. You guys are complaing about a game that looks better than 99% of the games released in the last 4 years. Seems kinda silly to me.

It's more just the fact that it CAN and WILL look significantly better than it does at the moment. Comparing Crysis/Crysis Warhead to Crysis 2 isn't much of a graphical upgrade.

"We had to take CryEngine 3 and rip it apart and re-architect a lot of the engine to support multi-platform," he said.

"It's a tall order to do all of that; simultaneously building a game while the engine is being constructed underneath it.

-Crytek's Nathan Camarillo

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

[QUOTE="killzoneded"]

It looks slightly worse and runs at 15-30 fps vs 50-60fps.

Its not the same.

killzoneded

It averages 29fps on 360, so no, it is not running 15-30, but nearly constant 30 with some drops here and there

And looks so slightly worst that frankly does not mean much, unless you compare side by side and even then you barely see any difference

Just how thick can some people be for feeling the need to make another thread about this again :roll:

Crysis and Warhead CAN NOT BE DONE ON CONSOLES. It's PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE. Period. Let alone be surpassed. There's no buts nor ifs, if you think otherwise you should learn how to read hardware specs instead of getting a headache while trying to pull out arguments you don't understand.

N30F3N1X

If they were remade in Cryengine 2 streaming system they could easilly be done and look a huge lot better in xbox 360

looking slightly worse and having less than half the fps isn't "running the same"

also, tiny compressed screenshots don't show you the full difference.

If they were remade in Cryengine 2 streaming system they could easilly be done and look a huge lot better in xbox 360

killzoneded

No, it wouldn't. And thanks for telling me you don't have the slightest clue on how hardware nor game engines work.

Just so you know, Crysis and Warhead can't be "remade on Cryengine 2". THEY WERE MADE ON CRYENGINE 2 TO BEGIN WITH.

Cryengine 3 makes use of the very short draw distance required in a city to work properly on consoles. The game works because it was built to work on consoles to begin with. Crysis and Warhead are PC games and THEY WOULD NOT WORK IN ANY SCENARIO YOU CAN THINK OF. Your X360 would blow up if you were to try to make Crysis run on it.

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"]

[QUOTE="oldkingallant"] I don't know if it can be considered a port by definition, but what they're implying is that somewhere in the process they had to dumb down the engine so consoles could handle it. It's not like the dev teams set out to make 2 completely different games. They finished the PC build first, but development was simultaneous and undoubtedly overlapped.Smoke89

Then say that. Don't call it what it isn't. Dumbed down or not its still one of the best looking games on the PC platform. You guys are complaing about a game that looks better than 99% of the games released in the last 4 years. Seems kinda silly to me.

It's more just the fact that it CAN and WILL look significantly better than it does at the moment. Comparing Crysis/Crysis Warhead to Crysis 2 isn't much of a graphical upgrade.

the fact Crysis still looks good doesn't make Crysis 2 look any worse.i5750at4Ghz

I'm not complaining, I love the game and how it looks. The problem is I loved Crysis and Warhead. I wanted the same amazement as when I went from playing Half-Life 2 to Crysis for the first time... my jaw dropped. Like I quoted already,

"We had to take CryEngine 3 and rip it apart and re-architect a lot of the engine to support multi-platform," he said.

"It's a tall order to do all of that; simultaneously building a game while the engine is being constructed underneath it." -Crytek's Nathan Camarillo

I new this was going to happen. Crysis 2 on consoles which means Crysis can run on consoles... I dont know why ppl wont just listen. All that crysis 2 has over Crysis is better lighting imo anyway. Everything else is significantly reduced visually and technically.

mattuk69

Yes, of course. I'll take the word of total computer science illiterates over the word of people who dedicates whole hours of their free time researching hardware and software tweaks and settings to get the games running at their best.

You sir, are a EFFING GENIUS.

[QUOTE="painguy1"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

I'm sorry TC.. It's just not possible. The GPU in the PS3 is based on the same silicon that produced the Geforce 7 series for PC. The GPU in the X360 is only marginally more powerful. Neither console has the GPU grunt or the memory to handle anything approaching the detail and resolution that Crysis and Warhead have.

hartsickdiscipl

Graphics isn't a problem. Its the lack of RAM.

Both the GPU capabilities and the RAM are issues. You can't max out Crysis Warhead on a 7800gt and get anything close to decent performance.

i never siad that they were going to max it out.

Despite what some people may believe, consoles are not magical boxes that can produce unlimited performance; given the right optimization techniques.

Consoles can not replicate Crysis 1 visuals, never mind Warhead.

This isn't arrogance or elitism, it's common sense.

AnnoyedDragon

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"]the fact Crysis still looks good doesn't make Crysis 2 look any worse.Smoke89

I'm not complaining, I love the game and how it looks. The problem is I loved Crysis and Warhead. I wanted the same amazement as when I went from playing Half-Life 2 to Crysis for the first time... my jaw dropped. Like I quoted already,

"We had to take CryEngine 3 and rip it apart and re-architect a lot of the engine to support multi-platform," he said.

"It's a tall order to do all of that; simultaneously building a game while the engine is being constructed underneath it." -Crytek's Nathan Camarillo

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

[QUOTE="gaming25"] The developement process of these games can make it so that it couldnt need as much memory.gaming25

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVsT4D2_VTI

[QUOTE="Smoke89"]

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"]the fact Crysis still looks good doesn't make Crysis 2 look any worse.i5750at4Ghz

I'm not complaining, I love the game and how it looks. The problem is I loved Crysis and Warhead. I wanted the same amazement as when I went from playing Half-Life 2 to Crysis for the first time... my jaw dropped. Like I quoted already,

"We had to take CryEngine 3 and rip it apart and re-architect a lot of the engine to support multi-platform," he said.

"It's a tall order to do all of that; simultaneously building a game while the engine is being constructed underneath it." -Crytek's Nathan Camarillo

When it came out... I had just upgraded my rig to SLI 8800GTX (top of the line at the time) cards and Intel's X6800 Extreme for that purpose lol. (I still have that rig as a guest/secondary gaming PC - makes lan parties easier :P)

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"][QUOTE="Smoke89"]

I'm not complaining, I love the game and how it looks. The problem is I loved Crysis and Warhead. I wanted the same amazement as when I went from playing Half-Life 2 to Crysis for the first time... my jaw dropped. Like I quoted already,

"We had to take CryEngine 3 and rip it apart and re-architect a lot of the engine to support multi-platform," he said.

"It's a tall order to do all of that; simultaneously building a game while the engine is being constructed underneath it." -Crytek's Nathan Camarillo

Smoke89

When it came out... I had just upgraded my rig to SLI 8800GTX (top of the line at the time) cards for that purpose lol.

[QUOTE="Smoke89"]

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] Honestly when was the first time you maxed out Crysis? I know my jaw didn't drop at all the first time I ran Crysis. Crysis on less than High is not a very good looking game at all.i5750at4Ghz

When it came out... I had just upgraded my rig to SLI 8800GTX (top of the line at the time) cards for that purpose lol.

Lets see, I already had one of the cards and I was looking for a new processor to OC (could have max'd the game without it honestly). The processor cost me the most, the card was just a couple hundred bucks. Seeing as computer building, OCing, and learning how they work is one of my favorite hobbies I have no problem sinking money into it (esp since I have the $$ to do it)...

[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="-Tretiak"]

No. Consoles simply don't have enough memory.

HaloinventedFPS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVsT4D2_VTI

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"]

[QUOTE="Smoke89"]

When it came out... I had just upgraded my rig to SLI 8800GTX (top of the line at the time) cards for that purpose lol.

Smoke89

Lets see, I already had one of the cards and I was looking for a new processor to OC (could have max'd the game without it honestly). The processor cost me the most, the card was just a couple hundred bucks. Seeing as computer building, OCing, and learning how they work is one of my favorite hobbies I have no problem sinking money into it (esp since I have the $$ to do it)...

As do I, but I'm clearly not the type of person you want to target a game for. I upgrade my GPUs every 6 months regardless of need. Thats completely unrealistic for the average PC users.i5750at4Ghz

I agree that it is unrealistic for the majority of gamers out there. However, I enjoy when a game challenges my rig and I have to wait/upgrade or push my current parts to their limits to see what it is really capable of. Crysis is really the only game that directly inspired a hardware upgrade for me.

You would have to make the game from scratch, but yeah it could run.... and Crysis warhead on medium looks horrible lol. The game would have to be a mix of medium and high I think. At a res or 720p or lower of course.

I'm sorry but there's absolutely no chance any game developed for a current generation console could hope to produce visuals superior to the original Crysis, much less Warhead. Crysis 2 is not indicative of some magical reserve of power developers have just found and are now tapping into.

And...just because I can...here are some Crysis screenshots (click to embiggen)

How could the Xbox 360 or PS3 hope to replicate visuals like these with the five year old hardware they have in them right now? (And I guess posting these pics made it official...I'm becoming a hermit)

[QUOTE="-Tretiak"]

No. Consoles simply don't have enough memory.

gaming25

Last I checked...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMZEO3z4maE&hd=1

Consoles didn't match the same visuals PC had with Crysis.

[QUOTE="kris9031998"][QUOTE="killzoneded"]

It does

http://www.pcgames.de/Crysis-2-PC-213107/Specials/Crysis-2-PC-vs-Xbox-360-und-Playstation-3-Der-grosse-CryEngine-3-Grafikvergleich-817206/galerie/1503391/

i5750at4Ghz

No it wasn't.

Yes it was. Play the game on PC and its pretty blatant.

no.

TC if you had actually played Crysis 1 and Warhead and knew anything about video games and how they work, you would understand why C1 and Warhead would not run on consoles. There is too much going on in both those games for consoles to handle, period. Crysis 2 has very little going on compared to C1/warhead/wars. No dynamic/volumetric clouds instead just a skybox, no dynamic and realtime wind or smoke - just a few scripted shaders, the size of the levels is tiny compared to c1/warhead/wars levels so is the view distance model detail, texture detail and much more, there are so many things that make up those games that are stripped out of Cryengine 2 to create Cryengine 3 for consoles, iv said it before and i say it again Cryengine 3 should have been named Cryengine 1.6 to save confusion.

Yeah, good luck with that. Crysis 2 barely just keeps the scale while rendering far less. :lol:

[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="-Tretiak"]

No. Consoles simply don't have enough memory.

HaloinventedFPS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVsT4D2_VTI

^ They weren't able to made Crysis run on consoles. Crysis 2 has (even in PC) much lower quality in textures, polygon count, water shaders and scale than Crysis 1 or Warhead, which are still the graphic kings.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

I'm sorry TC.. It's just not possible. The GPU in the PS3 is based on the same silicon that produced the Geforce 7 series for PC. The GPU in the X360 is only marginally more powerful. Neither console has the GPU grunt or the memory to handle anything approaching the detail and resolution that Crysis and Warhead have.

painguy1

Graphics isn't a problem. Its the lack of RAM.

Console hardware is just too old to produce visuals on the scale of Crysis: Warhead, there's only so much optimization can do and once you reach that point you'd need better hardware.

[QUOTE="-Tretiak"]

No. Consoles simply don't have enough memory.

gaming25

[QUOTE="painguy1"]

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

I'm sorry TC.. It's just not possible. The GPU in the PS3 is based on the same silicon that produced the Geforce 7 series for PC. The GPU in the X360 is only marginally more powerful. Neither console has the GPU grunt or the memory to handle anything approaching the detail and resolution that Crysis and Warhead have.

TOAO_Cyrus1

Graphics isn't a problem. Its the lack of RAM.

thx for repeating what i just siad

Not only do consoles not have the memory, Crysis 2 made it abundantly clear that they don't have the processing power either.

Edit: several console games run much better than Crysis 2 at a visual fidelity level where a clear winner ca't even be determined.

Console people and their lack of technical knowledge is sad. Behold the pc master race, listen to our words of wisdom about RAM. Crysis can pull up to 2 gb of ram, consoles have 256 mb. The reason it takes so much is because of texture resolutions and draw distance. You would not be playing even near the same game.

Despite what some people may believe, consoles are not magical boxes that can produce unlimited performance; given the right optimization techniques.

Consoles can not replicate Crysis 1 visuals, never mind Warhead.

This isn't arrogance or elitism, it's common sense.

AnnoyedDragon

[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="-Tretiak"]

No. Consoles simply don't have enough memory.

lawlessx

Consoles dont have enough ram to render trees on the other side of the island that you never get to go to anyway.

Console people and their lack of technical knowledge is sad. Behold the pc master race, listen to our words of wisdom about RAM. Crysis can pull up to 2 gb of ram, consoles have 256 mb. The reason it takes so much is because of texture resolutions and draw distance. You would not be playing even near the same game.

edinsftw

Graphically there is no way in hell could you surprass Crysis Warhead running on Enthusiasts, it's simply not possible. I tried on a similar GPU as the consoles and the textures for example couldn't be maxed out becuase it requires more than 256MB it would simply load back to the default which is nowhere near the settings maxed out.

As for the environments, well that's a given that you can't load the entire level with full interactivity. A level like Call Me Ishmael wouldn't be possible on consoles.

Even a GPU like a 4870 which is more powerful than all the consoles combined in history get to a load of 90-100% while running Crysis Warhead. This means it's being pushed to it's limit even for a GPU like 4870. Consoles would probably explode if you try Enthusiasts settings. :lol:

crysis warhead is not impossible on consoles, but it would have to be downgraded (on medium settings i guess)

Console people and their lack of technical knowledge is sad. Behold the pc master race, listen to our words of wisdom about RAM. Crysis can pull up to 2 gb of ram, consoles have 256 mb. The reason it takes so much is because of texture resolutions and draw distance. You would not be playing even near the same game.

edinsftw

[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="-Tretiak"]

No. Consoles simply don't have enough memory.

lawlessx