Crysis Warhead could be surpassed on consoles. This isnt a PC diss!

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#101 godzillavskong
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[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="-Tretiak"]

No. Consoles simply don't have enough memory.

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The developement process of these games can make it so that it couldnt need as much memory.

not unless they did what they did with crysis 2 and changed the levels so they can be split into smaller areas. The large levels of warhead would not work on consoles with crysis 2 graphics.

What if you wear glasses? That helps the visual fidelity. LOl
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#102 gaming25
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Crysis 2 on PC (among others) use more than 256 ram dont they? Why is it that Killzone 3 looks better than those?

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#103 godzillavskong
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All joking aside, they always say stuff like this, where they claim to have maxed out the potential of todays consoles, only to have another game look leaps above the previous ones. I remember reading a article about the Sega Genesis, before it was released, where the dev stated that the consoles will never surpass that of 16bit? He said that was as high as it was going to go. Boy was he mistaken.

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#104 commander
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i just wonder, if you need a gtx 460 to max out crysis 2 on pc, and you need a gtx 460 to max out crysis 1 & warhead.

and the xbox360 and pc version looks the same. Why wouldn't they be able to run crysis warhead or crysis 1 on thex360 then?

or the xbox360 and pc version don't look the same? because i think the orinal poster said that they look the same

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#105 gaming25
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[QUOTE="evildead6789"]

i just wonder, if you need a gtx 460 to max out crysis 2 on pc, and you need a gtx 460 to max out crysis 1 & warhead.

and the xbox360 and pc version looks the same. Why wouldn't they be able to run crysis warhead or crysis 1 on thex360 then?

or the xbox360 and pc version don't look the same? because i think the orinal poster said that they look the same

Its not that they look the same, its that Crysis 2 is even available on consoles at such a great graphical quality.
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#106 commander
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[QUOTE="evildead6789"]

i just wonder, if you need a gtx 460 to max out crysis 2 on pc, and you need a gtx 460 to max out crysis 1 & warhead.

and the xbox360 and pc version looks the same. Why wouldn't they be able to run crysis warhead or crysis 1 on thex360 then?

or the xbox360 and pc version don't look the same? because i think the orinal poster said that they look the same

gaming25

Its not that they look the same, its that Crysis 2 is even available on consoles at such a great graphical quality.

Does it really look that good,I mean fable II, fallout 3,call of duty looks good too imo on console but they just look so much better on pc (well fable II isn't on pc but you get the picture).

I know one thing , they have released crysis 1 in 2007. If they could port it to consoles i think they would have done it, a port must still be easier than making a whole new game.

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#107 gaming25
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[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="evildead6789"]

i just wonder, if you need a gtx 460 to max out crysis 2 on pc, and you need a gtx 460 to max out crysis 1 & warhead.

and the xbox360 and pc version looks the same. Why wouldn't they be able to run crysis warhead or crysis 1 on thex360 then?

or the xbox360 and pc version don't look the same? because i think the orinal poster said that they look the same

evildead6789

Its not that they look the same, its that Crysis 2 is even available on consoles at such a great graphical quality.

Does it really look that good,I mean fable II, fallout 3,call of duty looks good too imo on console but they just look so much better on pc (well fable II isn't on pc but you get the picture).

I know one thing , they have released crysis 1 in 2007. If they could port it to consoles i think they would have done it, a port must still be easier than making a whole new game.

Sometimes many devs dont want to do ports because that means doing the same game again and thats understandable. Im satisfied with Crysis 2 :D

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#108 Dynafrom
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i just wonder, if you need a gtx 460 to max out crysis 2 on pc, and you need a gtx 460 to max out crysis 1 & warhead.

and the xbox360 and pc version looks the same. Why wouldn't they be able to run crysis warhead or crysis 1 on thex360 then?

or the xbox360 and pc version don't look the same? because i think the orinal poster said that they look the same

evildead6789
First off, even assuming that the X360 version of crysis 2 looks the same as the PC (which it does not), you fail to factor in that the GTX460 can do 60~ fps in crysis 2 @ 1280x720, but only ~30fps at the same res.
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#109 N30F3N1X
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All joking aside, they always say stuff like this, where they claim to have maxed out the potential of todays consoles, only to have another game look leaps above the previous ones. I remember reading a article about the Sega Genesis, before it was released, where the dev stated that the consoles will never surpass that of 16bit? He said that was as high as it was going to go. Boy was he mistaken.

godzillavskong

You don't have the knowledge to understand that concept if you're making claims like that. "Maxing out the potential" and having another game look better are unrelated concepts.

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#110 Inconsistancy
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Crysis 2 on PC (among others) use more than 256 ram dont they? Why is it that Killzone 3 looks better than those?

gaming25
Yes they do, but that's 'cause consoles don't have 256mb, but 512. I have no idea where someone's pulling the 256mb numbers out of..

i just wonder, if you need a gtx 460 to max out crysis 2 on pc, and you need a gtx 460 to max out crysis 1 & warhead.

and the xbox360 and pc version looks the same. Why wouldn't they be able to run crysis warhead or crysis 1 on thex360 then?

or the xbox360 and pc version don't look the same? because i think the orinal poster said that they look the same

evildead6789
No, the 360/PS3 version don't look the same as pc, they have lower res textures, less lights per scene, lower quality lighting, vastly lower res and frame rate, the limitation for Crysis/Wars is memory, although the consoles could probably (barely) render them (15-20 fps, due to the doubled poly count) the textures and draw distance would have to be vastly reduced, to a level that the dev likely thought was unacceptable.
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#111 godzillavskong
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[QUOTE="godzillavskong"]

All joking aside, they always say stuff like this, where they claim to have maxed out the potential of todays consoles, only to have another game look leaps above the previous ones. I remember reading a article about the Sega Genesis, before it was released, where the dev stated that the consoles will never surpass that of 16bit? He said that was as high as it was going to go. Boy was he mistaken.

N30F3N1X

You don't have the knowledge to understand that concept if you're making claims like that. "Maxing out the potential" and having another game look better are unrelated concepts.

I do have knowledge and a bunch of it! I'll give you some if you'd like. They aren't exactly unrelated either. Better performance, whether it is from a more stable frame rate, or some sort of texture mapping, can still cause the game to look better. What about polygon counts and all that other stuff on the technical side, which leads back to "maxing out a console", which has an effect on the graphics?
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#112 Dynafrom
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[QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

[QUOTE="godzillavskong"]

All joking aside, they always say stuff like this, where they claim to have maxed out the potential of todays consoles, only to have another game look leaps above the previous ones. I remember reading a article about the Sega Genesis, before it was released, where the dev stated that the consoles will never surpass that of 16bit? He said that was as high as it was going to go. Boy was he mistaken.

godzillavskong

You don't have the knowledge to understand that concept if you're making claims like that. "Maxing out the potential" and having another game look better are unrelated concepts.

I do have knowledge and a bunch of it! I'll give you some if you'd like. They aren't exactly unrelated either. Better performance, whether it is from a more stable frame rate, or some sort of texture mapping, can still cause the game to look better. What about polygon counts and all that other stuff on the technical side, which leads back to "maxing out a console", which has an effect on the graphics?

There's technical limitations you can't work around. You have the X360 UMA, which the GPU essentially acts as the northbridge, whilst on a PS3 you can still use the full 512MB, but since the CELL accesses the video ram at lower rates, most developers have the cell read as little as possible from video ram. You can't escape the fact that system ram is a limitation you can't avoid.
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#113 Filthybastrd
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i just wonder, if you need a gtx 460 to max out crysis 2 on pc, and you need a gtx 460 to max out crysis 1 & warhead.

and the xbox360 and pc version looks the same. Why wouldn't they be able to run crysis warhead or crysis 1 on thex360 then?

or the xbox360 and pc version don't look the same? because i think the orinal poster said that they look the same

evildead6789

A GTX460 can't max out Crysis...... Well, it sort of can if you don't mind playing at 20 fps with dips.

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#114 DragonfireXZ95
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You should add this to the topic title. "This is also not the truth."
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#115 Mystic-G
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[QUOTE="evildead6789"]

i just wonder, if you need a gtx 460 to max out crysis 2 on pc, and you need a gtx 460 to max out crysis 1 & warhead.

and the xbox360 and pc version looks the same. Why wouldn't they be able to run crysis warhead or crysis 1 on thex360 then?

or the xbox360 and pc version don't look the same? because i think the orinal poster said that they look the same

Filthybastrd

A GTX460 can't max out Crysis...... Well, it sort of can if you don't mind playing at 20 fps with dips.

Depends what resolution you're speaking of...

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#116 mitu123
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[QUOTE="evildead6789"]

i just wonder, if you need a gtx 460 to max out crysis 2 on pc, and you need a gtx 460 to max out crysis 1 & warhead.

and the xbox360 and pc version looks the same. Why wouldn't they be able to run crysis warhead or crysis 1 on thex360 then?

or the xbox360 and pc version don't look the same? because i think the orinal poster said that they look the same

Filthybastrd

A GTX460 can't max out Crysis...... Well, it sort of can if you don't mind playing at 20 fps with dips.

I normally go above that on my GTX 460 at 1600x900, then again I overclock it, and below that res it can handle it pretty good.

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#117 04dcarraher
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[QUOTE="evildead6789"]

i just wonder, if you need a gtx 460 to max out crysis 2 on pc, and you need a gtx 460 to max out crysis 1 & warhead.

and the xbox360 and pc version looks the same. Why wouldn't they be able to run crysis warhead or crysis 1 on thex360 then?

or the xbox360 and pc version don't look the same? because i think the orinal poster said that they look the same

Filthybastrd

A GTX460 can't max out Crysis...... Well, it sort of can if you don't mind playing at 20 fps with dips.

Huh? My dual 8800GT's I average 48 fps in Crysis maxed (besides AA) at 1680x1050 and a GTX 460 is faster then my gpu's.

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#118 tempest91
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Crysis 2 on PC (among others) use more than 256 ram dont they? Why is it that Killzone 3 looks better than those?

gaming25

Killzone 3 does not look better than Crysis 2 on PC, and Killzone 3 doesn't have even close to the scale or have to render as much. That's why.

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#119 commander
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[QUOTE="evildead6789"]

i just wonder, if you need a gtx 460 to max out crysis 2 on pc, and you need a gtx 460 to max out crysis 1 & warhead.

and the xbox360 and pc version looks the same. Why wouldn't they be able to run crysis warhead or crysis 1 on thex360 then?

or the xbox360 and pc version don't look the same? because i think the orinal poster said that they look the same

Filthybastrd

A GTX460 can't max out Crysis...... Well, it sort of can if you don't mind playing at 20 fps with dips.

You're right if you play at 1080p with 4xAA on max settings you won't get more than 20fps and expect the end boss to be a slideshow lol.

Maybe not a lot of people know this but crysis and crysis warhead uses built-in aa when it comes to foliage when you put post processing on high or very high. It's called edge aa. It does a lot more for the foliage than normal aa and it's a lot less taxing on the hardware. Normal aa does nothing for the foliage allthough it's better than edge aa for buildings , vehicles and stuff like that.
However it you enable normal aa, it automatically disables edge aa.

So a gtx 460 can outmax crysis at 1080p and get around30 fps or more, however if you enable aa to 4x it drops to int the twenties. If you want to enable 4x aa then you need ideed something stronger like a gtx 470 or even gtx 480.

I didn't actually compare these settings, i've read it somewhere and played it crysis like that with my hd 5770 on max and 1280 x 1024 (i play on a 4:3 screen). I still got some framrate drops with the end boss though. Still the difference between edge aa and 4x aa was around 10 fps.

I don't know how crysis 2 handles this but crysis 2 isn't about the foliage i think. Since they didn't release that dx11 patch yet and i can't find any bencmarks for this game (besides the multiplayer demo) i'm waiting to play this game , because i'm going to get a new card for this game i think (if i need too, we'll have to see about that)

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#120 Filthybastrd
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Crysis maxed on a single 460 will dip you into flat 20 with or without AA at 1920*1080. If you think otherwise, you have a weird definition of maxed.

two of them however, will max the game with the ingame 16xAA at a somewhat stable 50.

Then again, I don't exactly have my Nvidia Control Panel in performance mode.

Edit: This might explain why so many people think Crysis 2 looks just as good or better though. Takes more than a little research to make Crysis look godly.

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#121 SecretPolice
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From what I've heard from some here; UC & KZ already done this plus GS thinks MGS4 > Warhead ?! :shock:

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#122 -Unreal-
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[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"]Consoles aren't boxes of limitless potential. There's only so much you can do, there is a ceiling and we've pretty much hit it.gaming25

Wasnt this said last year? Yet it looks like Battlefield 3 will set the bar again.

We've barely seen any footage of BF3 for a start. The footage we have seen is singleplayer running on a PC which people exaggerated.
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#123 ducati101
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Crysis 2 on PC (among others) use more than 256 ram dont they? Why is it that Killzone 3 looks better than those?

gaming25
Completely untrue i'm afraid. Try playing Crysis 2 at 1080p or above with max settings, then come back to me. Even better yet, try it on Bulletstorm. Killzone 3 doesn't look better. Not going to even include Crysis 1 here.