Crytek CEO: Console gamers 'don't respect development'

ie: if GTA4 had hit the PS3/360 with the issues it had when it was released on PC, people would've burned rockstar games to the ground

88mphSlayer

They may have cried up a storm for about a day, until a patch arrived and shut them up.

10 million PS3's died because of that leap year debacle and everyone (including me) was outraged... THE SECOND that PSN worked again, everyone shut up and went back to playing vids. :P

He isn't giving console gamers enough credit, look at how many people bought Oblivion, one of the buggiest released titles I have played in my entire life.

You have a point, and I'd like to think I have a point, but I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. Console gamers might have less patience as a whole demographic, but I don't think it's quite as pronounced as he makes it sound.

MW2 stimulus pack had widely-reported issues and the mouthbreathing console fans haven't taken to the streets in protest. The argument can certainly be made that console gamers have LESS patience and LESS inclination to understand the process behind making a game, but I feel like he's making far too broad a generalization, and it's insulting. It's also insulting that anyone wouldn't consider the fact that many people are just GAMERS, not console gamers or PC gamers.Hahadouken

EDIT: Kudos the the post above me :).

well SW proves hes right ;P

[QUOTE="88mphSlayer"]ie: if GTA4 had hit the PS3/360 with the issues it had when it was released on PC, people would've burned rockstar games to the ground

Hahadouken

They may have cried up a storm for about a day, until a patch arrived and shut them up.

10 million PS3's died because of that leap year debacle and everyone (including me) was outraged... THE SECOND that PSN worked again, everyone shut up and went back to playing vids. :P

He isn't giving console gamers enough credit, look at how many people bought Oblivion, one of the buggiest released titles I have played in my entire life.

You have a point, and I'd like to think I have a point, but I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. Console gamers might have less patience as a whole demographic, but I don't think it's quite as pronounced as he makes it sound.

the GTA4 problem on PC lasted over 2 weeks i believe

i can't imagine the disaster of press coverage if GTA4 didn't work for 2 weeks after launch on the 360/PS3

Hahaha. That's so true...at least with most people here on System Wars. :lol:

the GTA4 problem on PC lasted over 2 weeks i believe

i can't imagine the disaster of press coverage if GTA4 didn't work for 2 weeks after launch on the 360/PS3

88mphSlayer

I think consoles need to stop devouring every great FPS on the PC.UnknownSniper65

I think consoles need to stop devouring every great FPS on the PC.UnknownSniper65

[QUOTE="88mphSlayer"]

the GTA4 problem on PC lasted over 2 weeks i believe

i can't imagine the disaster of press coverage if GTA4 didn't work for 2 weeks after launch on the 360/PS3

Episode_Eve

Gears 2 had a huge userbase of fans, Crysis is unknown to a lot of gamers other than "the game with nice graphics and some guy with a suit"... i think for Crytek, they're treating Crysis 2 like it's a completely new IP as far as the console version goes

but i see your point, and concede

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]I think consoles need to stop devouring every great FPS on the PC.NVIDIATI

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"]

[QUOTE="88mphSlayer"]

the GTA4 problem on PC lasted over 2 weeks i believe

i can't imagine the disaster of press coverage if GTA4 didn't work for 2 weeks after launch on the 360/PS3

88mphSlayer

Gears 2 had a huge userbase of fans, Crysis is unknown to a lot of gamers other than "the game with nice graphics and some guy with a suit"... i think for Crytek, they're treating Crysis 2 like it's a completely new IP as far as the console version goes

but i see your point, and concede

[QUOTE="Hahadouken"]

[QUOTE="88mphSlayer"]ie: if GTA4 had hit the PS3/360 with the issues it had when it was released on PC, people would've burned rockstar games to the ground

88mphSlayer

They may have cried up a storm for about a day, until a patch arrived and shut them up.

10 million PS3's died because of that leap year debacle and everyone (including me) was outraged... THE SECOND that PSN worked again, everyone shut up and went back to playing vids. :P

He isn't giving console gamers enough credit, look at how many people bought Oblivion, one of the buggiest released titles I have played in my entire life.

You have a point, and I'd like to think I have a point, but I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. Console gamers might have less patience as a whole demographic, but I don't think it's quite as pronounced as he makes it sound.

the GTA4 problem on PC lasted over 2 weeks i believe

i can't imagine the disaster of press coverage if GTA4 didn't work for 2 weeks after launch on the 360/PS3

[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"]

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]I think consoles need to stop devouring every great FPS on the PC.Episode_Eve

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"][QUOTE="NVIDIATI"] Every time we lose one we also gain one :P We lose Battlefield but gain STALKER, we lose Crysis, but gain Shattered Horizon. Also we're about to get Battlefield back :P BF3 8)

Hahadouken

PS. I got BC2 on PS3 recently. We should play together soon.

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"][QUOTE="NVIDIATI"] Every time we lose one we also gain one :P We lose Battlefield but gain STALKER, we lose Crysis, but gain Shattered Horizon. Also we're about to get Battlefield back :P BF3 8)

Hahadouken

[QUOTE="Hahadouken"][QUOTE="Episode_Eve"] Man, I hope I have a new PC by the time BF3 releases!Episode_Eve

PS. I got BC2 on PS3 recently. We should play together soon.

So it should be out anytime between now and March 31st 2011, also its obviously a PC exclusive.

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"]

[QUOTE="Hahadouken"] I'm skeptical about BF3 to be honest. Not the quality of it, but whether or not it will actually appear.NVIDIATI

PS. I got BC2 on PS3 recently. We should play together soon.

So it should be out anytime between now and March 31st 2011, also its obviously a PC exclusive.

[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"]

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"]There was a vague hint to development last year right? I'm wondering if it would be multiplat. Could be!

PS. I got BC2 on PS3 recently. We should play together soon.

Episode_Eve

So it should be out anytime between now and March 31st 2011, also its obviously a PC exclusive.

Also this is what one of the former CEOs said "What the PC version is going to be, Battlefield 3, I think it's going to absolutely blow everyone away," Lilegren claims. "But I can't tell you what it is, but it will blow people away." All aboard theHype Train :Pwoot! woot! ;)

[QUOTE="Hahadouken"][QUOTE="Episode_Eve"] Man, I hope I have a new PC by the time BF3 releases!Episode_Eve

PS. I got BC2 on PS3 recently. We should play together soon.

Gaming Journalists don't respect good journalism.

Seriously, WTF is with them creating articles that purposely portray the statements in a negative manner when there is nothing negative meant by the statements...

Here is the jist of what was meant by his statements:

Console gamers want their action immediately. They want the content to get straight to the point and they don't really care if the developers spent 2 months trying to create a particular sequence unless it gives them immediately what they want. This is largely a result of the type of play st-yle that console gamers in general have. In general, the average console gamer plays in much shorter chunks, playing for 30 minutes or 40 minutes at a time. As a result, spending 10 minutes to get to the action, no matter how much effort is put into those 10 minutes of set-up, simply is not acceptable for most gamers. There are exceptions, but most console gamers expect an immediately enjoyable experience that grabs them in an instant and holds them. PC gamers don't tend to have such an expectation. They tend to play for longer periods of time, sitting down for an hour and a half or two hours. They are much more willing to spend 10 minutes building up to the action.

Sometimes it really wouldn't hurt us if a few industry "professionals" would just shut their trap. I'm better off with some charlatans than people who obviously have an urge to spew out their stupi... umm... parochial minds.

This coming from a guy who has gamed on PC for years. Want to talk about respect? Then first start respecting the freaking console fanbase, that will soon make the jump on the badwagon of making some people in Crytek certified millionaires.

This guy has it all wrong. I greatly value the work they put into development especially since I plan to be a game developer myself.SpiritOfFire117

I'm starting to like these guys at Crytek.

What do you call people that game on console and PC such as many of us? Gamers?

I think maybe he finally realized that for his game to succeed on consoles it will actually need to have great gameplay, and some kind of replayability in the form of mp. They can't just boost all of the graphics to the max and sell their game as the graphical "benchmark" like they do on pc. I always said as soon as they announced Crysis 2 for consoles that it would be profoundly interesting to see how it would turn out. Consoles are a true test of developer skill. They are competing in a very saturated market, only the devs that can find the balance between graphics, performance, and gameplay really succeed. Should be very interesting to see what Crytek can pull off on preset hardware, and if it will actually be compelling enough without the uber graphics to compete with all of the other great fps that have the gameplay and replayability to go along with their graphics.

Meh.. It's fine if a game has a few flaws and other small things – I enjoyed Heavy Rain thoroughly even though the game has its fair share of flaws. It was a good 8/10 game and I surely do want more "unique" games like that and not only shooters. But I don't go buy broken, rushed games and why should I? If the developer does a good job people WILL enjoy the games they make. Generalizing console gamers because a certain group (forum trolls) can never be satisfied is just plain stupid.

Gaming Journalists don't respect good journalism.

Seriously, WTF is with them creating articles that purposely portray the statements in a negative manner when there is nothing negative meant by the statements...

Here is the jist of what was meant by his statements:

Console gamers want their action immediately. They want the content to get straight to the point and they don't really care if the developers spent 2 months trying to create a particular sequence unless it gives them immediately what they want. This is largely a result of the type of play st-yle that console gamers in general have. In general, the average console gamer plays in much shorter chunks, playing for 30 minutes or 40 minutes at a time. As a result, spending 10 minutes to get to the action, no matter how much effort is put into those 10 minutes of set-up, simply is not acceptable for most gamers. There are exceptions, but most console gamers expect an immediately enjoyable experience that grabs them in an instant and holds them. PC gamers don't tend to have such an expectation. They tend to play for longer periods of time, sitting down for an hour and a half or two hours. They are much more willing to spend 10 minutes building up to the action.

KingsMessenger

That's just.. WTF??! There's no need to think in a such way - why not make a game it was meant to be instead of being controlled by a particular groupd of gamers? There plenty of gamers and plenty of potential buyers. WHY should they cut all the "building up" and go straight to the action? There's enough gamers out there so that people who wants to have a quick action game can just go buy games like MW, BF or something similar. This reminds me of a person from another forum who flamed God of War and Uncharted because they werent free roam/sandbox, well guess what?! There are plenty of other games to choose from so if the person wants a sandbox game he should choose a game that was specificly made for that.

Whats with crytek and the trash talk recently?

Kinda sucks that he thinks were all like that. I understand the amount of work they put into these games and understand its not like baking a cake. Theres a million little things that can go wrong. It is why I liked to support devs by paying full price. Its not like these little guys make millions of dollars.

That's just.. WTF??! There's no need to think in a such way - why not make a game it was meant to be instead of being controlled by a particular groupd of gamers? There plenty of gamers and plenty of potential buyers. WHY should they cut all the "building up" and go straight to the action? There's enough gamers out there so that people who wants to have a quick action game can just go buy games like MW, BF or something similar. This reminds me of a person from another forum who flamed God of War and Uncharted because they werent free roam/sandbox, well guess what?! There are plenty of other games to choose from so if the person wants a sandbox game he should choose a game that was specificly made for that.

danish-death

Because they are running a business. They want to make as much profit as possible.

The game won't "suffer" for being a more fast paced, action oriented game. It will just be different. Honestly, for a game like Crysis, it will probably end up working out better in the long run.

Whats with crytek and the trash talk recently?

painguy1

it hasn't really been trash talk. It is just ****ty reporting by gaming journalists.

It sounds like he's just saying that PC gamers are more tolerant of little bugs and glitches in a game, which sounds about right. I mean do you think STALKER would have gone over well on consoles? It probably wouldn't have even made it through certification.

The game won't "suffer" for being a more fast paced, action oriented game. It will just be different. Honestly, for a game like Crysis, it will probably end up working out better in the long run.

KingsMessenger

I don't know about that. The thing that I liked the most about Crysis were the situations that could make you approach a problem without being a loose cannon, one of the reasons why I didn't think the game reached its full potential(I hated the alien part)... also one of the reasons why I liked the first Crysis better than Warhead.

If the above is the case, I can expect it to be more Warhead oriented, that's not bad by all means, but I would preffer the former game in the series. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

I agree with him. Consolites are more fanatical about their allegiances than PC gamers. SW is chuck-full of fine examples of what he's saying.

This guy (the CEO) can run his mouth all he wants as long as Crysis 2 turns out well.

Now I lost respect for Cevat Yerli. I feel disrespected by his commnets regarding console gamers.

console aficionados that frequent online boards sure do complain a lot....I agree.

but at the price we pay....We have every right to complain imo.

love how people are taking THIS out of context like everything else Crytek has said this week.

Read This.

Please figure out how to consider the meaning and intent of a statement.

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]I think consoles need to stop devouring every great FPS on the PC.NVIDIATI

Although it is a controversial thing to say, Cevat Yerli is mostly right. If a PC game doesn't work hermits usually have no problem downloading a patch, updating drivers, searching Google, etc. I'd say console gamers are less patient. It is the nature of the PC vs consoles.

I think maybe he finally realized that for his game to succeed on consoles it will actually need to have great gameplay, and some kind of replayability in the form of mp. They can't just boost all of the graphics to the max and sell their game as the graphical "benchmark" like they do on pc. I always said as soon as they announced Crysis 2 for consoles that it would be profoundly interesting to see how it would turn out. Consoles are a true test of developer skill. They are competing in a very saturated market, only the devs that can find the balance between graphics, performance, and gameplay really succeed. Should be very interesting to see what Crytek can pull off on preset hardware, and if it will actually be compelling enough without the uber graphics to compete with all of the other great fps that have the gameplay and replayability to go along with their graphics.

nosedive7

Yeaaaaah :roll:

Crysis got a 9.5 here on Gamespot as well as Best Shooter of the Year. That was in 2007. A year when Halo 3, CoD4, and Bioshock came out.

It also has 91 average on Metacritic.

So if you honestly think Crysis succeeded on graphics alone then you are completely wrong.

Theres dudes from crytek that are on system wars.G-O-M-J