Crytek: 'Crysis 2 On PS3/360 Forces PC Cuts'

[QUOTE="The-Mosher"][QUOTE="Islandbeats"] Consoles are making gaming more affordable ($300 Xbox360/PS3 vs. $1000+ for a decent gaming PC) thus attracting a much larger audience which in turn leads to developers making more money which in turn leads to bigger investments in gaming. I fail to see how this is "holding gaming back". More money for the industry will only lead to better bigger budget games. The PC gaming industry is not a separate industry to the Consoles so the more money being pumped into one can only be good for the other.Islandbeats

Well, since no PC can fully max out Crysis(there are some who can on Youtube), Crysis 2 will look as good the first.Not the graphical leap we saw with the first. But as good as the first.

fend_oblivion

[QUOTE="Islandbeats"]

[QUOTE="The-Mosher"] Why do idiots like you always think it takes $1000+ to make a decent Gaming PC?loco145

Why do idiots like you always think it takes $1000+ to make a decent Gaming PC?The-Mosher

My point was that cheaper gaming devices can only be good for the industry becasue it attracts more people, money and bigger investments.Islandbeats

But it wasn't enough, was it? Hence the significant amount of cross platform development this generation.

The budgets of today's games have exceeded the ability of single platforms to offer a decent number of sales. Therefore which has the bigger install base is irrelevant; because the majority of developers are producing games for multiple platforms simultaneously, providing a bigger audience than any one platform can provide.

considering the hardware inside the consoles is ancient why is anyone surprised?

If only for more ram in consoles...things would not be the way they are now...

[QUOTE="coltgames"]

all crysis has is graphics the gameplay is avg at best dude thats why all u ever hear is oooo look at the textures pc gaming = grpahics , cutomization,rts mmos that about it devs know that on a console they will make more money and be more popular

AnnoyedDragon

Get back in your hole, we don't need this nonsense spilling out into other threads :roll:

Well that does suck. Though if the preformance is only "ok" on the PC, I don't think I would want that in the game.

Still, the PC version will be the best looking game of all time. From what we have seen of Crysis 2 makes Crysis looks like a GB game.

Whoever told me I was worrying for no reason at all that the PC version would get consolized there is a trout waiting for you. Vandalvideo

That sounds a bit overdramatic. We'll have to see the final product.

Well that does suck. Though if the preformance is only "ok" on the PC, I don't think I would want that in the game.

Still, the PC version will be the best looking game of all time. From what we have seen of Crysis 2 makes Crysis looks like a GB game.

Wasdie

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Well that does suck. Though if the preformance is only "ok" on the PC, I don't think I would want that in the game.

Still, the PC version will be the best looking game of all time. From what we have seen of Crysis 2 makes Crysis looks like a GB game.

GeneralShowzer

Well that does suck. Though if the preformance is only "ok" on the PC, I don't think I would want that in the game.

Still, the PC version will be the best looking game of all time. From what we have seen of Crysis 2 makes Crysis looks like a GB game.

Wasdie

People need to realize that Consoles are where the moneys at, so there going to cater to them more.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Well that does suck. Though if the preformance is only "ok" on the PC, I don't think I would want that in the game.

Still, the PC version will be the best looking game of all time. From what we have seen of Crysis 2 makes Crysis looks like a GB game.

o0squishy0o

That is the console verison though. How do you know they are doing that to the PC verison.

Have you looked into the tools for the Cry Engine 3? They can build the PC version independent from the consoles while building the same game up on all three platforms at the same time. The program scales for the consoles while building on the PC.

Am I the only one that read the interview? It's not a big deal:

there's only like one out of a hundred times that ever happens Cevat Yerli

^See? Not a big deal at all.

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Well that does suck. Though if the preformance is only "ok" on the PC, I don't think I would want that in the game.

Still, the PC version will be the best looking game of all time. From what we have seen of Crysis 2 makes Crysis looks like a GB game.

Hahadouken

"I really wanted to make it an intense blockbuster experience on console, and then scale up on PC because the engine can"

This is all i need to hear to know it's garbage. A sequel to the best shooter I've played since well...Half Life, will be just another uninspired piece of crap

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Well that does suck. Though if the preformance is only "ok" on the PC, I don't think I would want that in the game.

Still, the PC version will be the best looking game of all time. From what we have seen of Crysis 2 makes Crysis looks like a GB game.

GeneralShowzer

It's Cryteck. They aren't just going to go all corridor shooter on us...

Everybody sounds a bit over-dramatic to me.

Am I the only one that read the interview? It's not a big deal: [QUOTE=" Cevat Yerli "]there's only like one out of a hundred times that ever happensIronBass

As I said, over-dramatic just like with SC2's price.

The only people "killing" PC gaming anymore are PC gamers when they believe they are entitled to extras and cheaper prices...

[QUOTE="IronBass"]Am I the only one that read the interview? It's not a big deal: [QUOTE=" Cevat Yerli "]there's only like one out of a hundred times that ever happensWasdie

As I said, over-dramatic just like with SC2's price.

The only people "killing" PC gaming anymore are PC gamers when they believe they are entitled to extras and cheaper prices...

People need to realize that Consoles are where the moneys at, so there going to cater to them more.

XboximusPrime

Ofcourse I'm pissed. What's he saying is it will be a console port with better graphics, even though it's not a console port it might as well be...GeneralShowzer

Ofcourse I'm pissed. What's he saying is it will be a console port with better graphics, even though it's not a console port it might as well be...GeneralShowzer

That isn't wnat he said at all. One out of one hundred instances didn't work right on the consoles so the PC version was slightly modified in that area (probably a heavily scripted event).

Where was it ever said that they were compromising the PC version in every aspect to make it a console game?

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="IronBass"] ^See? Not a big deal at all.GeneralShowzer

As I said, over-dramatic just like with SC2's price.

The only people "killing" PC gaming anymore are PC gamers when they believe they are entitled to extras and cheaper prices...

[QUOTE="IronBass"]Am I the only one that read the interview? It's not a big deal: [QUOTE=" Cevat Yerli "]there's only like one out of a hundred times that ever happensWasdie

As I said, over-dramatic just like with SC2's price.

The only people "killing" PC gaming anymore are PC gamers when they believe they are entitled to extras and cheaper prices...

I am not suprised, i also think that new york as a world isnt in any way hardware hungry like the jungle was. But its still cryengine and we have sandbox.

[QUOTE="o0squishy0o"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Well that does suck. Though if the preformance is only "ok" on the PC, I don't think I would want that in the game.

Still, the PC version will be the best looking game of all time. From what we have seen of Crysis 2 makes Crysis looks like a GB game.

Wasdie

That is the console verison though. How do you know they are doing that to the PC verison.

Have you looked into the tools for the Cry Engine 3? They can build the PC version independent from the consoles while building the same game up on all three platforms at the same time. The program scales for the consoles while building on the PC.

Cheaper prices are a very valid expectation since PC developers don't have to pay fees to consoles plataform owners. And if it's DD, they don't have to pay for shipping and distribution.loco145

Just because they don't pay royalties it does mean the dev. costs for every game are lower.

Besides, the price of a product is always consequence of its demand, not of its costs.

Cheaper prices are a very valid expectation since PC developers don't have to pay fees to consoles plataform owners. And if it's DD, they don't have to pay for shipping and distribution.loco145

Not like their dev tools, wages, licenses for audio, and other produciton values haven't increased in price. Also making modding tools takes even more time and effort as games become more and more complicated, which then requires more time and money.

Also devs don't have anybody watching their backs for piracy on the PC (as in Sony and Microsoft don't have an active team of guys working on keeping their systems difficult to pirate game son), they also don't have support from Sony or Microsoft for anything (no PSN support, no XBL integration).

DD is there, but they still have to give money to Steam or the DD service to distribute it and they still do sell retail.

[QUOTE="loco145"]Cheaper prices are a very valid expectation since PC developers don't have to pay fees to consoles plataform owners. And if it's DD, they don't have to pay for shipping and distribution.IronBass

If it is independent why are things being taken away when the consoles can not perform? surely if it were to be "independent" that would not be a problem? o0squishy0o

Read what it says. He said if it runs only OK on the PC (which means any lower end system would probably die), the consoles won't beable to handle it, meaning the scope of what they are trying to do during that part of the game isn't really working for any of the platforms. These situations happen under 1% of the time.

Not like they are taking the nerf hammer to the PC, stripping out every feature that makes it a PC game. They do still plan on giving PC people mod tools and map building tools.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Whoever told me I was worrying for no reason at all that the PC version would get consolized there is a trout waiting for you. Wasdie

That sounds a bit overdramatic. We'll have to see the final product.

The dev cost aren't lower. But they don't have to pay to Sony/Nintendo/MS for copy sold. So we expect a discount on that.loco145

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="loco145"]Cheaper prices are a very valid expectation since PC developers don't have to pay fees to consoles plataform owners. And if it's DD, they don't have to pay for shipping and distribution.loco145

There's your problem. You are expecting lower prices.

This a free market. Prices are more influnced by demand and competition. Dev costs HAVE gone up so their profit margin has slipped. Sure they can make a profit when selling for $50, but if the demand is there, they can get away with charging $60 and making more money.

As long as the game delievers and I want it, I will still pay the $60. I also have a job and have that extra $10.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Whoever told me I was worrying for no reason at all that the PC version would get consolized there is a trout waiting for you. markop2003

That sounds a bit overdramatic. We'll have to see the final product.

Crysis was already fairly linear. Cryteck did Warhead without porting that to the consoles. They were moving that direction anyways. Does this actually suprise you at all?

[QUOTE="o0squishy0o"]If it is independent why are things being taken away when the consoles can not perform? surely if it were to be "independent" that would not be a problem? Wasdie

Read what it says. He said if it runs only OK on the PC (which means any lower end system would probably die), the consoles won't beable to handle it, meaning the scope of what they are trying to do during that part of the game isn't really working for any of the platforms. These situations happen under 1% of the time.

Not like they are taking the nerf hammer to the PC, stripping out every feature that makes it a PC game. They do still plan on giving PC people mod tools and map building tools.

Not surprising. There's still plenty of pc games that push the graphics, but they're all strategy games nowadays. FPSes graphical progress has completely stopped thanks to consoles.

Och well..I believe the weakening of PC FPSes was the direct reason for current PC gaming genres ressurgence. And I would rather see pc exclusives of all the genres push the gameplay, than see FPSes push graphics

Not like their dev tools, wages, licenses for audio, and other produciton values haven't increased in price. Also making modding tools takes even more time and effort as games become more and more complicated, which then requires more time and money.

Wasdie

Those cost also hold true for console delopment. Making moding tools isn't an obligation, they chose to to make their product more compelling.

Also devs don't have anybody watching their backs for piracy on the PC (as in Sony and Microsoft don't have an active team of guys working on keeping their systems difficult to pirate game son), they also don't have support from Sony or Microsoft for anything (no PSN support, no XBL integration).Wasdie

That doesn't protect them from the used and rentals market. Plus there's also piracy on the 360.

DD is there, but they still have to give money to Steam or the DD service to distribute it and they still do sell retail.Wasdie

And the demand stuff doesn't apply to the current vg market. If that were the case, MW2 would cost much more than Demon SOuls. But since we are on a fixed priced market, they cost the same (at alunch). You guys are forgetting about an important part of that basic economic theory... supply. There's virtually unlimited supply of cheap plastic discs and Digital copies...

[QUOTE="loco145"]Cheaper prices are a very valid expectation since PC developers don't have to pay fees to consoles plataform owners. And if it's DD, they don't have to pay for shipping and distribution.IronBass

Just because they don't pay royalties it does mean the dev. costs for every game are lower.

Besides, the price of a product is always consequence of its demand, not of its costs.

i dunno... Crysis only cost $22 million

God of War 3 cost $44 million

And the demand stuff doesn't apply to the current vg market. If that were the case, MW2 would cost much more than Demon SOuls. But since we are on a fixed priced market, they cost the same (at alunch).loco145

[QUOTE="loco145"]And the demand stuff doesn't apply to the current vg market. If that were the case, MW2 would cost much more than Demon SOuls. But since we are on a fixed priced market, they cost the same (at alunch).IronBass

I don't understand why there are consumer in favor of increased prices. :roll: There was way higher demand for MW2 and than DS, yet, they prices was the same. The rules of supply and demand doesn't apply as you say... since there are virtually unlimited supply of Discs and Digital copies.loco145