Crytek: 'Crysis 2 On PS3/360 Forces PC Cuts'

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#101 ronvalencia
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[QUOTE="Islandbeats"][QUOTE="88mphSlayer"]

[QUOTE="coltgames"]

pc gaming is 2nd priorty and consle gaming is 1st class its just the way it is the only things pcs are really good for are mmos and rts

well console gamers can't say that consoles aren't holding gaming back

cuz well... they do

Consoles are making gaming more affordable ($300 Xbox360/PS3 vs. $1000+ for a decent gaming PC) thus attracting a much larger audience which in turn leads to developers making more money which in turn leads to bigger investments in gaming. I fail to see how this is "holding gaming back". More money for the industry will only lead to better bigger budget games. The PC gaming industry is not a separate industry to the Consoles so the more money being pumped into one can only be good for the other.

Refer to http://www.anandtech.com/mobile/showdoc.aspx?i=3711 "That of course doesn't tell the full story, and in speaking with ATI we were informed that 70% of sales have been 4300/4500 parts - the lowest performing, least expensive offerings. 15% of sales are from the 4600 series, which is where reasonable gaming can finally enter the picture. As for the 4800 series, it's still sitting at less than 5% (with the remainder of ATI's sales apparently coming from older 3000 series parts). As far as high-end laptop graphics is concerned, NVIDIA has had a clear lead for a while, for a couple of reasons." http://www.techspot.com/news/35607-amd-intel-gain-gpu-market-share-in-q2-2009.html Raw numbers Q1 2009(74.8M) and Q2 2009(98.3M). Let's do some estimates. AMD has 18.4 percent of PC GPU sales i.e. 31.8504 million for Q1 and Q2. If we apply 15 percent for Radeon HD 4600 series we get 4.77 million for Q1 and Q2 2009. We can estimated that Radeon HD 4600 series annual sales to be around 10 million i.e. Q4 sales are ussually higher. In 3 years, ATI Radeon HD 4600(RV730) series alone can reach about 30 million i.e. uptake is faster than PS3. Like Radeon HD 2900/3800 series, ATI Radeon HD 4600 series includes 320 SPs and RV730 an entry level "Fat" GpGPU. Other numbers to consider, Refer tohttp://www.amd.com/us/press-releases/Pages/amd-takes-market-share-2009aug18.aspx By the end of Q2 2009,AMD overall takes 53% mobile discrete market share. My estimates for RV730 2009 sales would be higher. We're not even factoring NVIDIA's counterpart to ATI Radeon HD 4600 (RV730) series. NVIDIA's side can cover PS3. ATI RV730 side can easily cover Xbox 360. In the future, please keep things in proportion.10 percent of minority in PC world kills Xbox360/PS3 in yearly unit sales.
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#102 AAllxxjjnn
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And...pc fanboys will blow this out of proportion as if Crysis 2 was suppose to have CGI quality visuals until Cevat went and ruined it all by developing it simultaneously with the consoles.
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#103 ronvalencia
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Unfortunatly its not a surprise that consoles hold down PC gaming. Thats why i think consoles should have a shorter life time

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For base level performance, entry level HD consoles replaced NV/ATI IGP PCs.
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#104 smokeydabear076
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After watching that trailer, I honestly don't care what looks better on what... if the final product is similar to that trailer in quality, then this will be a horrible game. On a side note, Nomad needs to lay off the Calve Master and start doing some squats to get his quads and hamstrings back up to size.

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#105 ducati101
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Yet he said the PC version will blow the console versions and that the PC version is very much the lead platform for this game.
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#106 AdrianWerner
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And...pc fanboys will blow this out of proportion as if Crysis 2 was suppose to have CGI quality visuals until Cevat went and ruined it all by developing it simultaneously with the consoles.AAllxxjjnn
there is no denying that C2 graphics,while very nice are also horribly dissapointing from pc perspective

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#107 smokeydabear076
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Yet he said the PC version will blow the console versions and that the PC version is very much the lead platform for this game. ducati101
If it's the lead platform then why make sacrifices? They must have to give up something big if they can't just leave it in the PC version and take it out of the ports to the consoles.

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#108 AdrianWerner
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Just because they don't pay royalties it does mean the dev. costs for every game are lower.

IronBass

dev costs for console games are a lot higher on average, but that's mostly due to diferent strategy during dev cycle. PCdevs can make game for 4 years and rely on hardware power. On the other hand console games need shorter dev cycles and more polish, so they hire more people. The problem is that the bigger the team is the less efficent it works, thus creating the same quality of content in shorter time costs far more than doing the same thing, but spread through longer period of time. Plus console devs usualy rely on middle ware far more than PC ones and this costs money. Not to mention most console centric games are designed for multiple consoles, while most pc-centric games stay pc only

However the difference in dev costs is nothing compared to how much more expensive console games advertising tends to be compared to pcgamig.

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#109 ronvalencia
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[QUOTE="ducati101"]Yet he said the PC version will blow the console versions and that the PC version is very much the lead platform for this game. smokeydabear076

If it's the lead platform then why make sacrifices? They must have to give up something big if they can't just leave it in the PC version and take it out of the ports to the consoles.

Entry level ATI/NV IGP PCs are still equiped with virtual memory i.e. hit a memory limit doesn't equal a crash.
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#110 GeneralShowzer
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And...pc fanboys will blow this out of proportion as if Crysis 2 was suppose to have CGI quality visuals until Cevat went and ruined it all by developing it simultaneously with the consoles.AAllxxjjnn
I am not complaining about graphics, but gameplay.
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#111 smokeydabear076
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[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]

[QUOTE="ducati101"]Yet he said the PC version will blow the console versions and that the PC version is very much the lead platform for this game. ronvalencia

If it's the lead platform then why make sacrifices? They must have to give up something big if they can't just leave it in the PC version and take it out of the ports to the consoles.

Entry level ATI/NV IGP PCs are still equiped with virtual memory i.e. hit a memory limit doesn't equal a crash.

Exactly! That's exactly what I meant to say!

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[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]And...pc fanboys will blow this out of proportion as if Crysis 2 was suppose to have CGI quality visuals until Cevat went and ruined it all by developing it simultaneously with the consoles.GeneralShowzer
I am not complaining about graphics, but gameplay.

What's there to complain about gameplay wise? "In the two demos he never played in a confined space. I'm talking about the rooftops and streets of NYC." http://www.incrysis.com/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=478729#p478729 Read the whole preview in this post: http://www.incrysis.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=30372&p=1
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#113 muzik_mafia
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Well it'll look better than how the first did on my computer, so...

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#114 ronvalencia
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[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]If it's the lead platform then why make sacrifices? They must have to give up something big if they can't just leave it in the PC version and take it out of the ports to the consoles.

Entry level ATI/NV IGP PCs are still equiped with virtual memory i.e. hit a memory limit doesn't equal a crash.

Exactly! That's exactly what I meant to say!

Console game development also benefits the PC, especially for the entertainment/gaming laptops i.e. their GPU upgrade options are usually limited**. A laptop may have MXM-II slots, but the VGA+BIOS are combined together which makes GPU upgrades difficult e.g. 14inch size ASUS N80/N81 laptops. **Without resorting to ViDock or DIY ViDock external GPU adapters.
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#115 smokeydabear076
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Console game development also benefits the PC, especially for the entertainment/gaming laptops i.e. their GPU upgrade options are usually limited**. A laptop may have MXM-II slots, but the VGA+BIOS are combined together which makes GPU upgrades difficult e.g. 14inch size ASUS N80/N81 laptops. **Without resorting to ViDock or DIY ViDock external GPU adapters.ronvalencia
I meant to say that too, thanks for reminding me!

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#116 ducati101
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[QUOTE="ducati101"]Yet he said the PC version will blow the console versions and that the PC version is very much the lead platform for this game. smokeydabear076

If it's the lead platform then why make sacrifices? They must have to give up something big if they can't just leave it in the PC version and take it out of the ports to the consoles.

Hey i'm just quoting him, lets see what happens when the game comes out.
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#117 Espada12
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Expected. "lumps crysis in with the rest of linear, alien shooters"

Doesn't mean the game will be bad, but I am not expecting the same crysis I am accustom to playing.

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#118 Ultizer
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im glad the 360 is holding it back, now i dont have to upgrade my pc (again)to play crysis 2, pretty good imo

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#119 Snagal123
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After reading the interviews and previews, iam not worried, and i loved the trailer.

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#120 longtonguecat
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Why didn't they make Crysis 2 PC only and make another more generic console shooter rather than trying to combine the two? :(

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#121 DragonfireXZ95
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And...pc fanboys will blow this out of proportion as if Crysis 2 was suppose to have CGI quality visuals until Cevat went and ruined it all by developing it simultaneously with the consoles.AAllxxjjnn
As long as the graphics aren't worse than the first one on PC, I don't give a damn. Mods can always make it better, just like the first one. But if the gameplay isn't on par with the first one, then it's a reason to be mad.
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#122 fend_oblivion
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there is no denying that C2 graphics,while very nice are also horribly dissapointing from pc perspective

AdrianWerner

When I first read that Crysis 2 was going to be set in New York, I kinda expected it to be "consolized" but in a way it's good. I was quite fed up with the jungle (Farcry, Farcry 2,Crysis, Crysis Warhead) so nice to see this urban jungle. Consoles would find the jungle more stressing. If it's buildings, the devs don't have to bother with swaying/moving leaves etc.

I saw the interview and I am just so pumped for this game! I hope the story does the series justice :)

Why didn't they make Crysis 2 PC only and make another more generic console shooter rather than trying to combine the two? :(

longtonguecat

Crytek needs profit. Bringing this game to consoles will not only bring maximum possible profit, but will also get more people interested with the franchise. Not a bad move (Team Ninja bringing the Ninja Gaiden games to the PS3 is another example) IMO.

Moreover, the PC version will always have the edge ala mods. :D

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#124 mariokart64fan
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actually pc is 3rd priority

if we put handhelds into this

the ds and psp actually sell more then the consoles and the pc games

so consoles is the 2nd priority the handhelds have been the first since the gen began

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#125 AAllxxjjnn
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[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]And...pc fanboys will blow this out of proportion as if Crysis 2 was suppose to have CGI quality visuals until Cevat went and ruined it all by developing it simultaneously with the consoles.DragonfireXZ95
As long as the graphics aren't worse than the first one on PC, I don't give a damn. Mods can always make it better, just like the first one. But if the gameplay isn't on par with the first one, then it's a reason to be mad.

Read the previews, the gameplay sounds very much intact.
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#126 DragonfireXZ95
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actually pc is 3rd priority

if we put handhelds into this

the ds and psp actually sell more then the consoles and the pc games

so consoles is the 2nd priority the handhelds have been the first since the gen began

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Yes, because you have the sources to back this claim up, right?
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#127 iory2
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Another game toned down for old hardware sigh...

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#128 jasonharris48
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pc gaming is 2nd priorty and consle gaming is 1st class its just the way it is the only things pcs are really good for are mmos and rts

coltgames

What about Adventure games?

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What a surprise, consoles holding back the PC. What a flipping surprise.
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#130 OhSnapitz
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I'll probably get bashed for this but it seems to me (from reading a lot of posts in the sw's) that most (sw's) people don't even have a rig capable of running crysis at max capacity. So why trip on the fact that things are being left out to optimize this title.

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#131 blues35301
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[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Well that does suck. Though if the preformance is only "ok" on the PC, I don't think I would want that in the game.

Still, the PC version will be the best looking game of all time. From what we have seen of Crysis 2 makes Crysis looks like a GB game.

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I don't care how it looks. When i buy it i don't want another KZ2 type garbage. What happened to the expansive world and unique gameplay ? Down the drain...Hope Crytek is satisfied with creating mediocrity just like every console developer out there...

The presence or absence of linearity does NOT dictate a game's quality, AT. ALL. Have more faith in Crytek. EA hasn't bastardized any franchises lately, they've been taking care to repair the damage done to all of them in the early half of the decade. Play it first and find out if you hate it, at least.

It makes a hell of a difference. I have played Crysis through about 5 times complete and loaded up random missions hundreds of times just messing around and doing new things. I have played through Warhead (Crysis but linear) once and that was it.
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#132 blues35301
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I can't believe theres so much downplay in this thread. No one seems as mad as I am.

I was worried about it all along but I had faith in Crytek. When you see things like "build a blockbuster experience on consoles and scale up for pc" that is the type of crap pc gamers are sick of. I have a ps3 and 360 as well but I went all out on a nice pc to get gaming at its finest. Now the sequel to the best shooter since Half Life is in jeopardy.

"scaled up on pc" TRANSLATION. Same basic framework and assets as consoles----slightly higher res textures for pc, option for AA and AF. Higher Resolutions. That is all.

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#133 fend_oblivion
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People keep forgetting the Crysis Optimized Rig that Crytek offered to sell included keyboard,mouse, ATX case and DVD drive. Honestly, upgrading your rig now isn't so expensive. There are a lot of great budget choices.You can probably play it on Medium settings (tone down shadows,motion blurring, anti-aliasing etc) with a stable frame rate. You can easily build a rig that can run Crysis on 400-500$. (without peripherals because you can reuse them from your old rig) Just make sure you read a lot on PC hardware and use the forums to clear your doubts. It should be easy once you understand what all is needed.

I don't know why people keep complaining about the price of upgrading. They should be complaining about the ridiculous prices through DLC (Activision :x)

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#134 htekemerald
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Its a shame to see gaming geting held back by this dumming down of games.

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#135 fend_oblivion
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I can't believe theres so much downplay in this thread. No one seems as mad as I am.

I was worried about it all along but I had faith in Crytek. When you see things like "build a blockbuster experience on consoles and scale up for pc" that is the type of crap pc gamers are sick of. I have a ps3 and 360 as well but I went all out on a nice pc to get gaming at its finest. Now the sequel to the best shooter since Half Life is in jeopardy.

"scaled up on pc" TRANSLATION. Same basic framework and assets as consoles----slightly higher res textures for pc, option for AA and AF. Higher Resolutions. That is all.

blues35301

What about user generated mods?

EDIT : Even I went all out to get an awesome gaming rig (my old pc was pre-historic) but I had a little inconveniences thanks to the DRM by Ubi and removal of the PC version of the game (Alan Wake...) but the thing is, I have a lot of PC gaming to do because I missed many of the exclusives. And besides, even if Crysis 2 was PC only, the graphics leap wouldn't be that drastic either. The newer hardware with DX 11 support just came out and I don't think Crytek would have had enough time to fully utilize it.

I personally feel everyone is over-reacting.

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#136 ducati101
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actually pc is 3rd priority

if we put handhelds into this

the ds and psp actually sell more then the consoles and the pc games

so consoles is the 2nd priority the handhelds have been the first since the gen began

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Really? Not according to last years figures.
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#137 ducati101
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What a surprise, consoles holding back the PC. What a flipping surprise.millerlight89
Dont be so quick to judge this game. I think a lot of people will be in for a nice surprise (PC users mostly).
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#138 jun_aka_pekto
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If you really thing about it, Crysis 2 is being developed on a PC. I don't think Crytek will tone the game down for consoles first and then make a PC version from that. It's much easier to start with the PC since it's the development platform in the first place and then scale it down to consoles. What Crytek probably meant is effects and eye candy being common to all which is fine. But, the higher res, antialising, modding, graphics customization, etc of earlier Crytek games will most likely still be in the PC version.

I don't think Crytek will stoop so low just to satisfy some fanboy's dreams of parity to be used as ammo in System Wars.

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#139 topgunmv
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[QUOTE="IronBass"]

Just because they don't pay royalties it does mean the dev. costs for every game are lower.

AdrianWerner

dev costs for console games are a lot higher on average, but that's mostly due to diferent strategy during dev cycle. PCdevs can make game for 4 years and rely on hardware power. On the other hand console games need shorter dev cycles and more polish, so they hire more people. The problem is that the bigger the team is the less efficent it works, thus creating the same quality of content in shorter time costs far more than doing the same thing, but spread through longer period of time. Plus console devs usualy rely on middle ware far more than PC ones and this costs money. Not to mention most console centric games are designed for multiple consoles, while most pc-centric games stay pc only

However the difference in dev costs is nothing compared to how much more expensive console games advertising tends to be compared to pcgamig.

I assume by middleware you mean things like graphics and physics engines? The cost of licencing an engine vs making one from scratch is about the same, all that is saved is time.

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#140 fend_oblivion
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Have you seen this video? It looks freaking fantastic. They even got the jungle working on the PS3 version.I'm watching the video right now and I'm shocked to see how well their Cry Engine 3 is optimized.

Have no fear, Crysis 2 on the PC will look amazing.And even more amazing with mods :D

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#141 AdrianWerner
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I assume by middleware you mean things like graphics and physics engines? The cost of licencing an engine vs making one from scratch is about the same, all that is saved is time.

topgunmv

Maybe on consoles, not so on PC. The cost of licensing modern console-centric engine can be as big as the whole budget of pc dev. Of course there are low costs alternatives, but generally majority of pcgames are designed on engine made specificaly for them, instead of licensd

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#142 topgunmv
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[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

I assume by middleware you mean things like graphics and physics engines? The cost of licencing an engine vs making one from scratch is about the same, all that is saved is time.

AdrianWerner

Maybe on consoles, not so on PC. The cost of licensing modern console-centric engine can be as big as the whole budget of pc dev. Of course there are low costs alternatives, but generally majority of pcgames are designed on engine made specificaly for them, instead of licensd

I guess it would depend on how efficient and bug free they make the engine.

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#143 darkjounin
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PC gaming loss another exclusive franchise to the consoles... NOOOOO *slits self* jk.

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#144 Espada12
Member since 2008 • 23247 Posts

PC gaming loss another exclusive franchise to the consoles... NOOOOO *slits self* jk.

darkjounin

It's been happening all around. Problem is that they all are deved simultaneously, so they have to go do the lowest common denominator (360) and dev around that.

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#145 mitu123
Member since 2006 • 155290 Posts

The PS3 is holding it back, I thought it was a super computer and only 360 held it back.:o